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From: "thepoetskiss" <thepoetskiss@y...>
Date: Sat Dec 6, 2003 3:18 pm
Subject: JESUS DIED FOR HIMSELF, NO ONE ELSE!
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>>JESUS DIED FOR HIMSELF, NO ONE ELSE!<<
>>"WE ALL REAP WHAT WE SOW" IS A POWERFUL TRUTH.<<
>>NOT EVEN JESUS COULD CHANGE THAT.<<
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Your message reads like something I wrote: It is very heartening to me to see that SOME PEOPLE ARE BEGINNING TO GET THE POINT!
>>JESUS DIED FOR HIS OWN LIMITATIONS AND SINS AND HE ASCENDED THE MOUNT OF TRANSFIGURATION
WHERE HE GOT A NEW GLORIFIED BODY HERE ON THIS EARTH.<<
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The conventional wisdom is that Jesus was “perfect,” and as such never HAD any sins of his own he needed to die for. In reality, he did commit sin, and this is not some exotic doctrine, but it is plainly recorded in The Bible that:
1. He broke The Sabbath; 2.
He failed to honour his mother;
3. He introduced an Unknown God;
4. He employed deliberate deceit.
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He did not die for his sins, or his limitations. It was a voluntary act on his part. His giving up his life does not mean the same as when ordinary people give up their lives: THEY KNOW THAT IT IS A ONE-WAY TICKET- a DEAD-END. TO ONE SUCH AS Jesus, DEATH is just a Revolving Door!
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What is so terrible about Jesus’ alleged sacrifice is that IT IMPLIES THAT THOSE WHO ACCEPT HIS DEATH AS BEING SACRIFICE FOR THEIR SINS BECOME HIS PROPERTY.
It gets better and better- his 3½ years ministry is supposed to have entitles him to become THE EMPEROR OF THE WORLD FOR ETERNITY: “Ruling the Nations with a Rod of Iron,” no less!
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The “GLORIFIED BODY” Special effect stunt is REALLY impressive to people whose ONLY permissible spiritual Knowledge comes from VERY LOUSY BIBLE STUDY CLASSES. Anyone who can tell you MORE than what the Rabbis know IS AUTOMATICALLY A “WITCH,” AN “ENCHANTER,” A “DIVINER,” A “NECROMANCER,” or whatever, AND MUST BE PUT TO DEATH. Even PROPHETS got put to Death.
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Humans are seen by the INEFFICIENT, that is to say, UNPROFITABLE reflection of LIGHT WAVES falling on them- just like the INANIMATE OBJECTS. When a person becomes a PROFITABLE ENTITY, he has the option of AMPLIFYING WHATEVER comes his way (30, 60, or 100-fold). Such a person can and will, under certain circumstances, GLOW.
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That Jesus experienced this during his lifetime does not necessarily imply that Jesus had had this level of Power all along, or possessed it at his Death.
>>WHEN MEN WAKE TO THEIR DIVINITY AS JESUS DID THEY TOO WILL CLIMB THE MOUNT OF TRANSFIGURATION<<
>>AND GET A NEW GLORIFIED BODY. THE FLESH WILL BE CHANGED IN THE TWINKLING OF AN EYE.<<
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UNFORTUNATELY, the process of obtaining this Experience takes somewhat longer than “the twinkling of an eye.”
>>EVERY MAN MUST KILL SIN,THE DEVIL, SICKNESS AND DISEASE FOR HIMSELF.<<
>>IF JESUS DID THIS FOR MAN, MAN WOULD NOT GET SICK.<<
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PRECISELY THE POINT!
If people followed Jesus EXACTLY, they would experience the fruits of his Power for themselves. But then, their PERSONAL FREEDOM would be PERMANENTLY COMPROMISED.
>>MAN MUST AWAKEN TO HIS IMMORTALITY AND DIVINE ONENESS WITH AND EQUALITY WITH GOD HIMSELF. (PHILLIPIANS 2:4-6)<<
>>"THIS MORTAL MUST PUT ON IMMORTALITY".<<
>>THIS CORRUPTED, LIMITED SINNER THOUGHT MUST PUT ON THE INCORRUPTED,<<
>>UNLIMITED THOUGHT OF ITSELF AS PERFECT GOD.<<
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THE MOST IMPORTANT THING FOR CHRISTIANS TO REALIZE is that the FRAGMENTARY WRITINGS of men dead for 2,000 years is NOT going to help much in obtaining what THEY THEMSELVES failed to implement DURING THEIR LIFETIMES.
>>GOD SEES MAN AS PERFECT. THAT IS WHY JESUS COMMANDED MAN TO BE PERFECT AS GOD THE FATHER IN HEAVEN IN MATTHEW 5:48. MAN NEVER WAS A SINNER, ONLY IN THEORY AND UNLIMITED THINKING. "AS A MAN THINKETH IN HIS HEART SO IS HE".<<
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It is easy to get hung up on Language and miss the POINT of what the writer is trying to say.
I guarantee that some Christian fanatics are going to CHOKE on the ONE statement that “God sees Man as perfect,” and think only of The Bible’s blasting men for their imperfections, and PERCEIVE NO FURTHER INTO THE STATEMENT. (Assuming they could read this far, anyway.)
>>THE CRUCIFIXION OF JESUS NEVER HAPPENED. YOU HAVE NO NEED, NOR CAN YOU KILL A GLORIFIED BODY.<<
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The historical record speaks for itself.
If you change this eyewitness account, you can never rely on anything The Bible says after that. The dude DIED. Apparently, the “Glorified Body” cannot survive being nailed to a tree and dehydrated.
>>YOU BEST RETHINK THIS CHRISTIAN JESUS. YOU MAY DISCOVER THAT THIS CHRISTIAN JESUS NEVER EXISTED AT ALL. THEN YOU WILL BE FREE TO
DISCOVER YOUR OWN I AM PRESENCE AND OR HIGHER SELF AS GOD,THE FATHER IN HEAVEN.<<
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We got about THREE Jesuses here: THE BIBLE Jesus, the Christian Jesus, and YOUR Jesus, whom you think was never crucified, and never died.
That said, it is a fact that NO ONE will ever be able to get ANYWHERE without THINKING OUTSIDE THE BOX, and RECONSIDERING everything that he has been TOLD about Jesus, with a view to holding fast only to that which is NECESSARY in order to VERIFY FOR HIMSELF.
>>MAN MUST DIE FOR HIMSELF AS JESUS DID! NOT AFTER DEATH BUT BEFORE DEATH. HE WHO GOES TO THE GRAVE IS A FAILURE. PHYSICAL DEATH IS A CHOICE, "A GRAVE MISTAKE!" THE DEATH OF THE FALLEN, LIMITED EGO MUST PRECEEDE THE DEATH OF THE PHYSICAL BODY, AND THEN THE BODY WILL NOT NEED TO DIE. THIS REQUIRES A NEAR PERFECT MEATLESS DIET AND STRICT CELIBACY.<<
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The essential Principles are solid, however the DIETARY Principle is WRONG: to follow it will lead to the same FATAL ERROR all other practitioner wannabes fell into. (You will kick yourself to realize what it is!) To kill PLANTS for food is just as bad as killing ANIMALS! Are they not all living things? The Oriental Holy men so declare their piety, never having killed an animal in their lives- whereas they kill uncounted thousands of single-celled organisms with every glass of drinking water. Every time they take their bath. And when they eat their precious vegetable diets, they had to KILL grains of rice, their legumes, their carrots, lettuce leaves, and so on.
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Inefficient living means that the LIFE ENERGY REPLENISHMENT that flows to every living thing from Heaven, without which we could not live at all, is not completely utilized, leading to the need to substitute OTHER beings’ life forces, and the gradual accumulation of MEST which leads to the DEATH of the organism.
>>NOW YOU KNOW WHY MEN DO NOT LIVE A CHRIST LIFE. THEY ARE ADDICTED TO THE PHYSICAL ORGASM AND MATERIALITY.<<
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Men are addicted to THE THREE LAWS OF MOTION.
THAT is the ONLY cause of Death.
Materialism is full of INEFFICIENT PROCESSES, and SEX is easily the WORST of them.
>>PEOPLE HAVE A LOT OF STOCK IN THEIR CHRISTIAN IDOL OF JESUS.<<
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Just because an idol is not MATERIAL does not mean that it is more authentic.
However, the thing which the idolizers of God and Jesus fail to understand is that IF they CONCEIVE corrupted Attributes for their God or their Saviour, THEY ARE STILL BOUND TO ACT ON THEIR CONCEPTION: it is IMPOSSIBLE to DISTORT the Concept of God so far from The Truth that one is absolved of RESPONSIBILITY while doing this INNOCENTLY and HONESTLY. No one has yet been able to convince me they are justified in BREAKING and IGNORING Jesus’ Teachings.
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>>THE REAL JESUS WOULD HAVE BEEN CELIBATE AND A VEGETARIAN.<<
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SPIRITUALITY IS NOT DEPENDENT ON not eating MEAT!
the PROOF of this is that THOSE WHO SAID THAT IT IS are UNABLE to come up with COMPARABLE RESULTS to what Jesus produced in his time, and Pentecostal Christians produce in OUR time. Jesus WAS celibate, though HE should not have had to be, because he was the FIRSTBORN of a Virgin Mother. (Whether the “Virgin Birth” story is TRUE or NOT.) Such people can have ALL the sex they WANT, without it affecting their spirituality, while us lesser mortals have to just stick our noses in our Scriptures and put family-making on HOLD.
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>>TRUE FOLLOWERS DO THE SAME. DID YOU KNOW THAT JESUS WAS NOT A CHRISTIAN? NOW YOU KNOW WHY!<<
>>POET<<
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Well, you know Jesus would surely be condemned, in every Church in the World today, if he dare come to earth and show his face!
It HAS to be ANNOYING to have to wade through the various TRADITIONAL MISCONCEPTIONS and DISTORTIONS concerning The Gospel of Jesus and Christian Religion.
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-Olatunde Aroloye
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--- In thepathtoimmortality@yahoogroups.com, "nuovomondo1000"
<ricercaarchtwo@l...> wrote:
Jesus defeated death not for him but for all of us.
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Jesus defeated Death, all right, but his Victory means NOTHING to us unless we FOLLOW HIS SYSTEM.
Anyone who adopts the SAME spiritual Profile as he imposed on his TRUE Disciples will NOT ONLY become UNTOUCHABLE to Death, but DEATH WILL BE UNABLE TO FUNCTION in their near vicinity.
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NO CHRISTIAN, however has believed that for the nineteen hundred years after The Gospels were released.
Not until very recently.
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>> In order to open to all us the door towards a happy eternity. He defeated death to let us win that "useless passion" that is the short life on earth, opening prospectives of infinite when every way seemed closed by the black wall of a final and inevitable end.<<
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Making up poems about The truth is NOT the same as DOING The Truth.
WHY’s are NOT important: HOWs are what people need.
If you DON’T SPECIFICALLY SAY, that ALL that is needed to BENEFIT form Jesus’ defeat of Death is THAT WE FOLLOW JESUS' TEACHINGS, and BEWARE of those of The False Disciples, The Apostles, it is probably because YOU REALLY DON’T KNOW.
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Here we will talk about His Resurrection, trying to answer some questions as the ones which follow for example:
- Why can we understand the sense of our life only thinking of eternity ?
SPEAK FOR YOURSELF, BUB.
- What are the reasons of our Faith?
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The ancient (White) caveman is depicted in Western carton literature as a brute who secured his woman by hitting her over the head with a big club. (These are the geniuses who figured out, all by themselves, that they came from the apes- or, as one evolution-learner has explained to me- something LOWER.) This shock affected racial memory, which comes out through the subconscious, after the woman is married, when she will continually tell you, “I have a headache.”
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No, actually, God descended from Heaven one day, and began to declare His Commandments, and all the people saw the thunder, and heard the lightning, and the ground shaking, and the hills dancing like labs, and they ran from the Presence of The LORD, because one does not poopoop oneself when one is in The Presence of the LORD. And this incident passed into racial Memory and comes out in the subconscious mind, when little children ask their elders, “Gran’dad? Why do so many people believe in “God”? Is God REAL?”
And grandpa replies, stroking his beard, “Well,” [PAUSE] “let’s just say, “There’s no smoke without fire.”
[PAUSE] “Hmm. Now excuse me. I think… I have to be somewhere… ”
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People have FAITH because FAITH HAS A BASIS, and the Basis is that FAITH WORKS.
- And what about people who do not have Faith?
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They are ON THEIR OWN, bub.
- Why death?
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Because “the Body cannot live without the Mind.”
Try it, “and find out!”
Do too much of the stuff what kills ya,’
Not enough of the stuff that fills you full of “extra vigor and vitality,”**
And you WILL CROAK.
[**Local Ref. sorry, couldn’t resist]
- Can reason and common sense help us in our Faith?
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I hope to God that that was a PURELY RHETORICAL question!
- What is the mistake in the hypothesis which deny Jesus Christ?
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NEED ANOTHER SEVEN ASTRONAUTS.
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To all the readers a loving greeting
-Olatunde Aroloye
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