File        : EWTD questionnaire 2004.doc
Description : EWTD impact on surgical experience

Dear Nordine,

How would your suggestion sound, if you had replaced
the swearing by saying... for example.... TATATATATA?
I mean when you want to swear, you just say TATATATA
instead!!!

I guess the entire text would be:
"TATATATATATATATATATATATATATATATATATATATATATATATATATATATATATATATATATATATATATATAT\
ATATATATATATATATATATATATATATATATATATATATATATATAT"

Not everything, but some things could be done with
smile!
Sorry!

Good attempt otherwise


--- Richard Lindley <rmlindley@...> wrote:

---------------------------------
Dear All

Coincidentally, on Friday at the Education and
Training meeting the
issue of the current electronic logbook was raised.
BAPS are hoping
to improve the current logbook and try to make it more
applicable
for ongoing use when we move from trainee to
consultant.

As such, any suggestions as to how it can be improved
(no swearing
please) would be gratefully received.  The working
model will be
based on the ASGBI logbook.

Cheers

Richard




--- In paediatricsurgerytrainees@yahoogroups.com,
"abraham3cherian"
<Abraham3Cherin@y...> wrote:
> Hi everybody!
> I would like to know 2 things
> 1. How many of you use a Macintosh computer?
> 2. How many would be interested in an enhanced
database for their
> logbooks on a Mac?
>
> Please reply to:
> cherian@d...
> Thanks
> Abraham





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Dear All

Coincidentally, on Friday at the Education and Training meeting the
issue of the current electronic logbook was raised.  BAPS are hoping
to improve the current logbook and try to make it more applicable
for ongoing use when we move from trainee to consultant.

As such, any suggestiuons as to how it can be improved (no swearing
please) would be gratefully received.  The working model will be
based on the ASGBI logbook.

Cheers

Richard




--- In paediatricsurgerytrainees@yahoogroups.com, "abraham3cherian"
<abraham3cherian@y...> wrote:
> Hi everybody!
> I would like to know 2 things
> 1. How many of you use a Macintosh computer?
> 2. How many would be interested in an enhanced database for their
> logbooks on a Mac?
>
> Please reply to:
> cherian@d...
> Thanks
> Abraham

Do I have to say:
1. Yes
2.Yes
?

--- abraham3cherian <abraham3cherian@...>
wrote:

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Hi everybody!
I would like to know 2 things
1. How many of you use a Macintosh computer?
2. How many would be interested in an enhanced
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Please reply to:
cherian@...
Thanks
Abraham





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Hi everybody!
I would like to know 2 things
1. How many of you use a Macintosh computer?
2. How many would be interested in an enhanced database for their
logbooks on a Mac?

Please reply to:
cherian@...
Thanks
Abraham

File        : EWTD questionnaire 2004.doc
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CALM DOWN DEAR!!! IT IS JUST COMMERCIAL!!!

:-) SE LA VITE

--- nordeen bouhadiba <mrnordeen@...> wrote:
> hi
> thank you for your e-mail. can't go to BAPS,  don't
> bother because i am French !!!!!!!!
> no just joking. i am going _ if Jenny does not
> object !!!!!!!!!_ even though i haven't got any
> paper accepted by BAPS  ( that another issue ) but
> also you need 3 BAPS attendance before siting the
> exit exam
>
> now : 1 rarely paper are accepted by BAPS although
> same paper accepted by other organisation ( national
> and international ). thats not the right way to
> stimulate the trainees in academic activities, and
> not everybody got in his centre a massive number of
> neonates, and the latest techniques and research
> done. therefore there should be some allowance for
> the trainees
> 
>           2  the price is extortionating, in
> addition in Sheffield they will be no more oversease
> study leave payement, is that the appropriate way to
> get more clinical excellence ( remember clinical
> governance) ??. this is demoralising, DEMOTIVATING,
> contradictory to the NHS manifesto and may be
> illegal.
> i am certainly with these two conditions, going to
> sit on my arse and not bother doing any academic
> work or get better trained or make any effort in
> improving, "lasiness excellence"
> 
> speak to you soon
> 
> 
> nordine
> spr Sheffield
> 
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> the great
> and the good with hard statistics to back up out
> case...
>
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>   o Yes, I'm off to BAPS just for the fun of it
>   o No, can't afford it
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----- Original Message -----

From: nordeen bouhadiba

To: paediatricsurgerytrainees@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Tuesday, April 12, 2005 11:32 AM

Subject: Re: [paediatricsurgerytrainees] New poll for paediatricsurgerytrainees

hi

fuck the commercial !!!!!

Grigorios Kousidis <kousidisgr@...> wrote:

CALM DOWN DEAR!!! IT IS JUST COMMERCIAL!!!

:-) SE LA VITE

--- nordeen bouhadiba <mrnordeen@...> wrote:
> hi
> thank you for your e-mail. can't go to BAPS,  don't
> bother because i am French !!!!!!!!
> no just joking. i am going _ if Jenny does not
> object !!!!!!!!!_ even though i haven't got any
> paper accepted by BAPS  ( that another issue ) but
> also you need 3 BAPS attendance before siting the
> exit exam
>
> now : 1 rarely paper are accepted by BAPS although
> same paper accepted by other organisation ( national
> and international ). thats not the right way to
> stimulate the trainees in academic activities, and
> not everybody got in his centre a massive number of
> neonates, and the latest techniques and research
> done. therefore there should be some allowance for
> the trainees
> 
>           2  the price is extortionating, in
> addition in Sheffield they will be no more oversease
> study leave payement, is that the appropriate way to
> get more clinical excellence ( remember clinical
> governance) ??. this is demoralising, DEMOTIVATING,
> contradictory to the NHS manifesto and may be
> illegal.
> i am certainly with these two conditions, going to
> sit on my arse and not bother doing any academic
> work or get better trained or make any effort in
> improving, "lasiness excellence"
> 
> speak to you soon
> 
> 
> nordine
> spr Sheffield
> 
>
> paediatricsurgerytrainees@yahoogroups.com wrote:
>
>
> Enter your vote today!  A new poll has been created
> for the
> paediatricsurgerytrainees group:
>
> Are you going to BAPS this year?  There are issues
> over the
> cost and accessability for trainees. Please indicate
> which
> choice describes you best - and let me know any
> other
> comments.  As ever, this vote helps us to infuence
> the great
> and the good with hard statistics to back up out
> case...
>
>   o Yes, I'm off to BAPS with poster/presentation
>   o Yes, I'm off to BAPS just for the fun of it
>   o No, can't afford it
>   o No, not interested/can't be bothered
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>   o No, another reason (please let me know)
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these are sensible suggestion Richard. BAPS is obviously short of space and I
think this reflects pressure on trainees to present at meeting. Often high
quality clinical research is overlooked, and too often there are lots of basic
science presentations from the 'academic' institutions. Whilst these are of very
high quality, it has hard to believe that everyone is as interested in molecular
biology as me. Having a trainees session would probably not reduce on the
numbers of papers submitted as I suspect research fellows put in most of the
papers anyway, perhaps a move to clinical-based sessions would improve
accessiblity to trainees not involved in basic science research. Getting papers
accepted certainly appears to be getting more difficult, and this probably
reflects our increasing numbers (a double-edged sword), hopefully people won't
be discouraged from submitting papers or attending BAPS from rejections (which
in my experience are very common from smaller meetings like BAPS). Decent work
can always go to larger meetings such as BSG, pediatric academic society
(America), and RCPCH Spring meeting. These are good conferences with high
academic content, and they are genuinely interested in a surgical perspective on
things.

Regards

Dan Carroll

---------- Original Message ----------------------------------
From: "Richard Lindley" <rmlindley@...>
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Date:  Wed, 13 Apr 2005 09:50:03 -0000

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>Thank you for voting in the poll and expressing your opinions via <BR>
>the e-group.  One of the reasons for the poll is to see whether <BR>
>people feel BAPS is too expensive.  Hopefully if a majority of the <BR>
>trainees take part we will have some collective bargaining power <BR>
>with the BAPS executive.  I'm trying to think of other ways we could <BR>
>make BAPS better/more relevant.  For instance,<BR>
><BR>
>Would it be helpful if there was a dedicated trainee poster session <BR>
>(in addition to the PPR prize)?  Would this allow more people to <BR>
>come?  Would people feel devalued if we were in a seperate, "kiddie" <BR>
>portion of BAPS?  Should there be a trainee dinner?  A special <BR>
>trainee day rate (especially if we have a dedicated meal + <BR>
>presentation session)?<BR>
><BR>
>All suggestions gratefully received...<BR>
><BR>
>In the meantime, enjoy sitting on your arse and not bothering to do <BR>
>any academic work.  Why not try research for a bit?<BR>
><BR>
>Yours<BR>
><BR>
>Richard<BR>
><BR>
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>--- In paediatricsurgerytrainees@yahoogroups.com, nordeen bouhadiba <BR>
><mrnordeen@y...> wrote:<BR>
>> hi<BR>
>> fuck the commercial !!!!!<BR>
>> <BR>
>> <BR>
>> Grigorios Kousidis <kousidisgr@y...> wrote:<BR>
>> CALM DOWN DEAR!!! IT IS JUST COMMERCIAL!!!<BR>
>> <BR>
>> :-) SE LA VITE<BR>
>> <BR>
>> --- nordeen bouhadiba <mrnordeen@y...> wrote:<BR>
>> > hi <BR>
>> > thank you for your e-mail. can't go to BAPS,  don't<BR>
>> > bother because i am French !!!!!!!! <BR>
>> > no just joking. i am going _ if Jenny does not<BR>
>> > object !!!!!!!!!_ even though i haven't got any<BR>
>> > paper accepted by BAPS  ( that another issue ) but<BR>
>> > also you need 3 BAPS attendance before siting the<BR>
>> > exit exam<BR>
>> > <BR>
>> > now : 1 rarely paper are accepted by BAPS although<BR>
>> > same paper accepted by other organisation ( national<BR>
>> > and international ). thats not the right way to<BR>
>> > stimulate the trainees in academic activities, and<BR>
>> > not everybody got in his centre a massive number of<BR>
>> > neonates, and the latest techniques and research<BR>
>> > done. therefore there should be some allowance for<BR>
>> > the trainees<BR>
>> >  <BR>
>> >           2  the price is extortionating, in<BR>
>> > addition in Sheffield they will be no more oversease<BR>
>> > study leave payement, is that the appropriate way to<BR>
>> > get more clinical excellence ( remember clinical<BR>
>> > governance) ??. this is demoralising, DEMOTIVATING,<BR>
>> > contradictory to the NHS manifesto and may be<BR>
>> > illegal.<BR>
>> > i am certainly with these two conditions, going to<BR>
>> > sit on my arse and not bother doing any academic<BR>
>> > work or get better trained or make any effort in<BR>
>> > improving, "lasiness excellence"<BR>
>> >  <BR>
>> > speak to you soon<BR>
>> >  <BR>
>> >  <BR>
>> > nordine<BR>
>> > spr Sheffield<BR>
>> >  <BR>
>> > <BR>
>> > paediatricsurgerytrainees@yahoogroups.com wrote:<BR>
>> > <BR>
>> > <BR>
>> > Enter your vote today!  A new poll has been created<BR>
>> > for the <BR>
>> > paediatricsurgerytrainees group:<BR>
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>> > over the <BR>
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>> > which <BR>
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>> > other <BR>
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>> > the great <BR>
>> > and the good with hard statistics to back up out<BR>
>> > case... <BR>
>> > <BR>
>> >   o Yes, I'm off to BAPS with poster/presentation <BR>
>> >   o Yes, I'm off to BAPS just for the fun of it <BR>
>> >   o No, can't afford it <BR>
>> >   o No, not interested/can't be bothered <BR>
>> >   o No, can't get time off  with rota etc <BR>
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>> > <BR>
>> > <BR>
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Nordine,

Thank you for voting in the poll and expressing your opinions via
the e-group.  One of the reasons for the poll is to see whether
people feel BAPS is too expensive.  Hopefully if a majority of the
trainees take part we will have some collective bargaining power
with the BAPS executive.  I'm trying to think of other ways we could
make BAPS better/more relevant.  For instance,

Would it be helpful if there was a dedicated trainee poster session
(in addition to the PPR prize)?  Would this allow more people to
come?  Would people feel devalued if we were in a seperate, "kiddie"
portion of BAPS?  Should there be a trainee dinner?  A special
trainee day rate (especially if we have a dedicated meal +
presentation session)?

All suggestions gratefully received...

In the meantime, enjoy sitting on your arse and not bothering to do
any academic work.  Why not try research for a bit?

Yours

Richard


--- In paediatricsurgerytrainees@yahoogroups.com, nordeen bouhadiba
<mrnordeen@y...> wrote:
> hi
> fuck the commercial !!!!!
>
>
> Grigorios Kousidis <kousidisgr@y...> wrote:
> CALM DOWN DEAR!!! IT IS JUST COMMERCIAL!!!
>
> :-) SE LA VITE
>
> --- nordeen bouhadiba <mrnordeen@y...> wrote:
> > hi
> > thank you for your e-mail. can't go to BAPS,  don't
> > bother because i am French !!!!!!!!
> > no just joking. i am going _ if Jenny does not
> > object !!!!!!!!!_ even though i haven't got any
> > paper accepted by BAPS  ( that another issue ) but
> > also you need 3 BAPS attendance before siting the
> > exit exam
> >
> > now : 1 rarely paper are accepted by BAPS although
> > same paper accepted by other organisation ( national
> > and international ). thats not the right way to
> > stimulate the trainees in academic activities, and
> > not everybody got in his centre a massive number of
> > neonates, and the latest techniques and research
> > done. therefore there should be some allowance for
> > the trainees
> >
> >           2  the price is extortionating, in
> > addition in Sheffield they will be no more oversease
> > study leave payement, is that the appropriate way to
> > get more clinical excellence ( remember clinical
> > governance) ??. this is demoralising, DEMOTIVATING,
> > contradictory to the NHS manifesto and may be
> > illegal.
> > i am certainly with these two conditions, going to
> > sit on my arse and not bother doing any academic
> > work or get better trained or make any effort in
> > improving, "lasiness excellence"
> >
> > speak to you soon
> >
> >
> > nordine
> > spr Sheffield
> >
> >
> > paediatricsurgerytrainees@yahoogroups.com wrote:
> >
> >
> > Enter your vote today!  A new poll has been created
> > for the
> > paediatricsurgerytrainees group:
> >
> > Are you going to BAPS this year?  There are issues
> > over the
> > cost and accessability for trainees. Please indicate
> > which
> > choice describes you best - and let me know any
> > other
> > comments.  As ever, this vote helps us to infuence
> > the great
> > and the good with hard statistics to back up out
> > case...
> >
> >   o Yes, I'm off to BAPS with poster/presentation
> >   o Yes, I'm off to BAPS just for the fun of it
> >   o No, can't afford it
> >   o No, not interested/can't be bothered
> >   o No, can't get time off  with rota etc
> >   o No, another reason (please let me know)
> >
> >
> > To vote, please visit the following web page:
> >
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CALM DOWN DEAR!!! IT IS JUST COMMERCIAL!!!

:-) SE LA VITE

--- nordeen bouhadiba <mrnordeen@...> wrote:
> hi
> thank you for your e-mail. can't go to BAPS,  don't
> bother because i am French !!!!!!!!
> no just joking. i am going _ if Jenny does not
> object !!!!!!!!!_ even though i haven't got any
> paper accepted by BAPS  ( that another issue ) but
> also you need 3 BAPS attendance before siting the
> exit exam
>
> now : 1 rarely paper are accepted by BAPS although
> same paper accepted by other organisation ( national
> and international ). thats not the right way to
> stimulate the trainees in academic activities, and
> not everybody got in his centre a massive number of
> neonates, and the latest techniques and research
> done. therefore there should be some allowance for
> the trainees
> 
>           2  the price is extortionating, in
> addition in Sheffield they will be no more oversease
> study leave payement, is that the appropriate way to
> get more clinical excellence ( remember clinical
> governance) ??. this is demoralising, DEMOTIVATING,
> contradictory to the NHS manifesto and may be
> illegal.
> i am certainly with these two conditions, going to
> sit on my arse and not bother doing any academic
> work or get better trained or make any effort in
> improving, "lasiness excellence"
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> spr Sheffield
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CALM DOWN DEAR!!! IT IS JUST COMMERCIAL!!!

:-) SE LA VITE

--- nordeen bouhadiba <mrnordeen@...> wrote:
> hi
> thank you for your e-mail. can't go to BAPS,  don't
> bother because i am French !!!!!!!!
> no just joking. i am going _ if Jenny does not
> object !!!!!!!!!_ even though i haven't got any
> paper accepted by BAPS  ( that another issue ) but
> also you need 3 BAPS attendance before siting the
> exit exam
>
> now : 1 rarely paper are accepted by BAPS although
> same paper accepted by other organisation ( national
> and international ). thats not the right way to
> stimulate the trainees in academic activities, and
> not everybody got in his centre a massive number of
> neonates, and the latest techniques and research
> done. therefore there should be some allowance for
> the trainees
>
>           2  the price is extortionating, in
> addition in Sheffield they will be no more oversease
> study leave payement, is that the appropriate way to
> get more clinical excellence ( remember clinical
> governance) ??. this is demoralising, DEMOTIVATING,
> contradictory to the NHS manifesto and may be
> illegal.
> i am certainly with these two conditions, going to
> sit on my arse and not bother doing any academic
> work or get better trained or make any effort in
> improving, "lasiness excellence"
>
> speak to you soon
>
>
> nordine
> spr Sheffield
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Dear Richard,

Won't be going, in Australia. Think it is too expensive and outraged that we
can't get a daily rate, as usually impossible to go for more than one or two
days because of the rota.

Dan Carroll

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Enter your vote today!  A new poll has been created for the
paediatricsurgerytrainees group:

Are you going to BAPS this year?  There are issues over the
cost and accessability for trainees. Please indicate which
choice describes you best - and let me know any other
comments.  As ever, this vote helps us to infuence the great
and the good with hard statistics to back up out case...

   o Yes, I'm off to BAPS with poster/presentation
   o Yes, I'm off to BAPS just for the fun of it
   o No, can't afford it
   o No, not interested/can't be bothered
   o No, can't get time off  with rota etc
   o No, another reason (please let me know)


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Two replies so far (London/SE and Trent).  Is anyone else out there?

Seriously, I think it would be useful to resurrect the regional reps;
if people out there feel differently then please say so.  Be warned -
if no-one replies then I may start phoning around the country...

Yours,

Richard

File        : EWTD questionnaire 2004.doc
Description : EWTD impact on surgical experience

Happy Easter Richard
Yup - I believe that i may be the rep for our consortium (North Midlands ie
Nottingham, Leeds, Leicester, Sheffield) so stick me email down:
nia.fraser@...
and make sure I`m on all the spam lists too!!!!!(not)
Cheers

Nia
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Sent: Monday, March 21, 2005 8:12 AM
Subject: [paediatricsurgerytrainees] Regional Representatives


>
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> Dear All,
>
> I am trying to compile a list of the consortia/programme
> representatives - we should have a rep per programme.
>
> Ideally, such a rep would be elected at one of your regional
> training days.  S/he would then be able to feed information back and
> forth and act as a point of first contact for trainees with
> problems/issues.
>
> I would be grateful of any regional reps could let me know who they
> are and sending me their email (richard.lindley@...).  If you
> don't have rep, could you elect/force someone?  Just think of the
> prestige it will add to your CV....
>
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Dear All,

I am trying to compile a list of the consortia/programme
representatives - we should have a rep per programme.

Ideally, such a rep would be elected at one of your regional
training days.  S/he would then be able to feed information back and
forth and act as a point of first contact for trainees with
problems/issues.

I would be grateful of any regional reps could let me know who they
are and sending me their email (richard.lindley@...).  If you
don't have rep, could you elect/force someone?  Just think of the
prestige it will add to your CV....

Happy Easter

Richard

File        : EWTD questionnaire 2004.doc
Description : EWTD impact on surgical experience

Sorry, I left this out of my reply to Nordine but thought it may be
of use to everyone.

To claim income tax relief on medical expenses the Inland Revenue
state that the expense has to be essential for every practictioner
of that speciality to practice - ie every paediatric surgeon in the
country has to have that expense.

Included are:

GMC fee
RCS fee
Medical protection fee
BMA subscription (as counts as trade union)

Interestingly, loupes are included!  It took me some checking
through layers of supervisors at the Revenue, but eventually someone
told me that we can claim for loupes (I did it last year).  Plastic
surgeons can do the same.

You can also claim for clothes to replace ones damaged/worn out at
work and work shoes.

You cannot claim for journals or textbooks :-(

Any further queries are probably best directed at you accountant,
not me, but I hope this helps.

Sorry Nordine - not ignoring your post, just starting my new job....

I am well aware of the cost of the meeting an will bring it up at
the next education and training meeting - this is at the end of
April.  I agree that blowing half your study leave budget for the
year on one training day is excessive. The poll results would back
this up so thanks to everyone who voted.  It gives us a much better
negotiating position when I can say this % of trainees want X or Y.

Say hi to Jenny for me...

Richard

--- In paediatricsurgerytrainees@yahoogroups.com, "mrnordeen"
<mrnordeen@y...> wrote:
>
>  HI Richard
> the fee is significantly higher, in addition to that you have to
add
> the train ticket and the hotel ( significantly higher as well),
the
> study leave is not accepted as i have used my allowance for this
year.
> the courses are all about 8oo ish £
> at the conlcusion the allwance for study leave should be
increased,
> the CME points should be higher. if not payed for by the hospital
is
> there any chance we can deduce it from the inland revenu ?
>
> see you soon
>
> nordine
>
>  In paediatricsurgerytrainees@yahoogroups.com, "Richard Lindley"
> <rmlindley@b...> wrote:
> >
> > Dear All,
> >
> > Several people have mentioned that the fee for the London
meeting
> is
> > higher tha usual (£130 vs £50-80).  There may be increased costs
> > associated with the event in London, but this is a significant
> price
> > increase.
> >
> > I'd be grateful if people could indicate, via the poll, what
they
> > feel would be a reasonable fee. I don't think the meetings could
be
> > done for <£50 ish without making the evening meal an optional
> extra,
> > and for me this is usually one of the best bits...
> >
> > Please let me know any other comments/thoughts about this.  Liam
> and
> > I can then raise them at the next education and training meeting.
> >
> > Thanks
> >
> > Richard

The following paediatricsurgerytrainees poll is now closed.  Here are the
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POLL QUESTION: The fee for the upcoming London
training day has generated criticism
as it is significantly higher than
previous training days.  It would help
to have an idea of what people feel is
fair/reasonable.  Please indicate what
you feel to an appropriate fee:

CHOICES AND RESULTS
- £<50 with no evening meal, 3 votes, 37.50%
- £50-80 with meal (as usual), 5 votes, 62.50%
- >£80 with meal, 0 votes, 0.00%



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HI Richard
the fee is significantly higher, in addition to that you have to add
the train ticket and the hotel ( significantly higher as well), the
study leave is not accepted as i have used my allowance for this year.
the courses are all about 8oo ish £
at the conlcusion the allwance for study leave should be increased,
the CME points should be higher. if not payed for by the hospital is
there any chance we can deduce it from the inland revenu ?

see you soon

nordine

  In paediatricsurgerytrainees@yahoogroups.com, "Richard Lindley"
<rmlindley@b...> wrote:
>
> Dear All,
>
> Several people have mentioned that the fee for the London meeting
is
> higher tha usual (£130 vs £50-80).  There may be increased costs
> associated with the event in London, but this is a significant
price
> increase.
>
> I'd be grateful if people could indicate, via the poll, what they
> feel would be a reasonable fee. I don't think the meetings could be
> done for <£50 ish without making the evening meal an optional
extra,
> and for me this is usually one of the best bits...
>
> Please let me know any other comments/thoughts about this.  Liam
and
> I can then raise them at the next education and training meeting.
>
> Thanks
>
> Richard

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Description : EWTD impact on surgical experience

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Description : EWTD impact on surgical experience

Dear All,

Several people have mentioned that the fee for the London meeting is
higher tha usual (£130 vs £50-80).  There may be increased costs
associated with the event in London, but this is a significant price
increase.

I'd be grateful if people could indicate, via the poll, what they
feel would be a reasonable fee. I don't think the meetings could be
done for <£50 ish without making the evening meal an optional extra,
and for me this is usually one of the best bits...

Please let me know any other comments/thoughts about this.  Liam and
I can then raise them at the next education and training meeting.

Thanks

Richard

Enter your vote today!  A new poll has been created for the
paediatricsurgerytrainees group:

The fee for the upcoming London
training day has generated criticism
as it is significantly higher than
previous training days.  It would help
to have an idea of what people feel is
fair/reasonable.  Please indicate what
you feel to an appropriate fee:

   o £<50 with no evening meal
   o £50-80 with meal (as usual)
   o >£80 with meal


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