paediatricsurgerytrainees : Message: Re: [paediatricsurgerytrainees] Re: New poll for paediatricsurgerytrainees

these are sensible suggestion Richard. BAPS is obviously short of space and I
think this reflects pressure on trainees to present at meeting. Often high
quality clinical research is overlooked, and too often there are lots of basic
science presentations from the 'academic' institutions. Whilst these are of very
high quality, it has hard to believe that everyone is as interested in molecular
biology as me. Having a trainees session would probably not reduce on the
numbers of papers submitted as I suspect research fellows put in most of the
papers anyway, perhaps a move to clinical-based sessions would improve
accessiblity to trainees not involved in basic science research. Getting papers
accepted certainly appears to be getting more difficult, and this probably
reflects our increasing numbers (a double-edged sword), hopefully people won't
be discouraged from submitting papers or attending BAPS from rejections (which
in my experience are very common from smaller meetings like BAPS). Decent work
can always go to larger meetings such as BSG, pediatric academic society
(America), and RCPCH Spring meeting. These are good conferences with high
academic content, and they are genuinely interested in a surgical perspective on
things.

Regards

Dan Carroll

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From: "Richard Lindley" <rmlindley@...>
Reply-To: paediatricsurgerytrainees@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2005 09:50:03 -0000

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>Nordine, 
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>Thank you for voting in the poll and expressing your opinions via 
>the e-group.� One of the reasons for the poll is to see whether 
>people feel BAPS is too expensive.� Hopefully if a majority of the 
>trainees take part we will have some collective bargaining power 
>with the BAPS executive.� I'm trying to think of other ways we could 
>make BAPS better/more relevant.� For instance, 
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>Would it be helpful if there was a dedicated trainee poster session 
>(in addition to the PPR prize)?� Would this allow more people to 
>come?� Would people feel devalued if we were in a seperate, "kiddie" 
>portion of BAPS?� Should there be a trainee dinner?� A special 
>trainee day rate (especially if we have a dedicated meal + 
>presentation session)? 
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>All suggestions gratefully received... 
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>In the meantime, enjoy sitting on your arse and not bothering to do 
>any academic work.� Why not try research for a bit? 
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>Yours 
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>Richard 
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>--- In paediatricsurgerytrainees@yahoogroups.com, nordeen bouhadiba 
><mrnordeen@y...> wrote: 
>> hi 
>> fuck the commercial !!!!! 
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>> Grigorios Kousidis <kousidisgr@y...> wrote: 
>> CALM DOWN DEAR!!! IT IS JUST COMMERCIAL!!! 
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>> :-) SE LA VITE 
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>> --- nordeen bouhadiba <mrnordeen@y...> wrote: 
>> > hi 
>> > thank you for your e-mail. can't go to BAPS,� don't 
>> > bother because i am French !!!!!!!! 
>> > no just joking. i am going _ if Jenny does not 
>> > object !!!!!!!!!_ even though i haven't got any 
>> > paper accepted by BAPS� ( that another issue ) but 
>> > also you need 3 BAPS attendance before siting the 
>> > exit exam 
>> > 
>> > now : 1 rarely paper are accepted by BAPS although 
>> > same paper accepted by other organisation ( national 
>> > and international ). thats not the right way to 
>> > stimulate the trainees in academic activities, and 
>> > not everybody got in his centre a massive number of 
>> > neonates, and the latest techniques and research 
>> > done. therefore there should be some allowance for 
>> > the trainees 
>> >� 
>> >�� 2� the price is extortionating, in 
>> > addition in Sheffield they will be no more oversease 
>> > study leave payement, is that the appropriate way to 
>> > get more clinical excellence ( remember clinical 
>> > governance) ??. this is demoralising, DEMOTIVATING, 
>> > contradictory to the NHS manifesto and may be 
>> > illegal. 
>> > i am certainly with these two conditions, going to 
>> > sit on my arse and not bother doing any academic 
>> > work or get better trained or make any effort in 
>> > improving, "lasiness excellence" 
>> >� 
>> > speak to you soon 
>> >� 
>> >� 
>> > nordine 
>> > spr Sheffield 
>> >� 
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>> > Enter your vote today!� A new poll has been created 
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>> > Are you going to BAPS this year?� There are issues 
>> > over the 
>> > cost and accessability for trainees. Please indicate 
>> > which 
>> > choice describes you best - and let me know any 
>> > other 
>> > comments.� As ever, this vote helps us to infuence 
>> > the great 
>> > and the good with hard statistics to back up out 
>> > case... 
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>> >�� o Yes, I'm off to BAPS with poster/presentation 
>> >�� o Yes, I'm off to BAPS just for the fun of it 
>> >�� o No, can't afford it 
>> >�� o No, not interested/can't be bothered 
>> >�� o No, can't get time off� with rota etc 
>> >�� o No, another reason (please let me know) 
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