Hi,

I am a Trainee in the Manchester - Liverpool Rotation. I am going to start
applying for PMETB to get prospective approval for my OOPE. The place I want
does not pay salaries. I would like to ask those that have had OOPE - did
your Deanery pay you anything? Did they supplement you abroad? Did they pay
your National Insurance contributions? I would be grateful if anyone could
answer my questions with regards the regulations.

Thanks

Basem.
Dr Basem A Khalil MBBS MRCS(Edinburgh)
Specialist Registrar in Paediatric Surgery
Manchester Children's Hospital
Manchester, UK





>From: "Yatin Patel" <yatinp2835@...>
>Reply-To: paediatricsurgerytrainees@yahoogroups.com
>To: paediatricsurgerytrainees@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: [paediatricsurgerytrainees] Re: Important Info re OOPE
>Date: Mon, 05 Mar 2007 22:30:11 -0000
>
>Thanks Jonathan
>
>I had already been warned by Miss Cusick hence did not book my
>flights for Sydney last Wednesday.
>
>I am due to start my OOPE in Sydney on 23/7/07 and did get approval
>from the Dean and JCHST. I have received a letter from JCHST today
>confirming that PMETB must prospectively approve the post.
>
>I sent an e-mail to the deanery last week but have yet to hear as
>they are all busy with MTAS!!!!!!!!!
>
>If it takes 3 months to approve once they receive the documents, how
>are we to organise moving across the world in days and what are we to
>tell the centre that is expecting us?
>
>Any news from your request to have those in my situation be treatde
>like those already on their OOPE?
>
>Regards
>
>Yatin
>
>--- In paediatricsurgerytrainees@yahoogroups.com, "sutcliffejonathan"
><jonathan.sutcliffe@...> wrote:
> >
> > Overseas posts/non-accredited posts
> >
> > The SAC were told this week that as of 1 January 2007 all posts
>leading to CCT must be
> > approved prospectively by PMETB. Without this prospective approval,
>the trainee will no
> > longer be eligible for a CCT if they wish this time to be counted.
>Instead the trainee will
> > need to apply to be given Certificate of Eligibility to the
>Specialist Register (CESR). CESR is
> > intended to allow the holder to apply for consultant jobs and is
>the route taken by people
> > going through Article 14.
> >
> > A possible alternative (although I have not been able to confirm if
>accurate) is if the trainee
> > wishes to maintain eligibility for CCT, to apply to the Dean for
>time out of training and not
> > recognise the OOPE.
> >
> > The application process is likely to take 3/12 from submission of
>forms.
> >
> > I have contacted The Head of Approval and Visits at PMETB and
>obtained clarification for
> > the following groups. These are her comments
> >
> > 1. Trainees with SAC approved posts already on OOPE:
> > If approval for the OOPE post was granted prior to 1 January 2007,
>and evidence of this
> > approval from the Deanery and SAC can be provided, then approval
>will be honoured.
> >
> > 2. Trainees with SAC approval about to go (say in the next few
>months):
> > These trainees need prospective PMETB approval. These applications
>for approval will
> > need to come directly from deaneries; PMETB is unable to accept
>applications from
> > individual trainees, SACs or Colleges. This is consistent with
>PMETB policy of holding the
> > deaneries responsible for local level quality management of
>education and training.
> > Trainees are therefore advised to liaise with their deaneries to co-
>ordinate the applications
> > for approval. PMETB guidance on prospective approval of overseas
>posts can be found
> > here:
> > http://www.pmetb.org.uk/fileadmin/user/Policy/Policy_Statements/
> > Prospective_approval_of_overseas_posts_-_Guidance_2_Oct_06.pdf
> > and PMETB guidance on general post and programme approval,
>including research posts,
> > can be found under the `latest news' section in the following part
>of the PMETB website:
> > http://www.pmetb.org.uk/index.php?id=postandprogrammeapproval
> >
> > 3. Trainees who have begun planning but not yet obtained approval:
> > Need to apply as above
> >
> > 4. Point of contact for further questions to PMETB:
> > quality.assurance@...
> >
> > I have written to PMETB to say that none of us were aware of this
>change is concerning and
> > indeed it is possible that there are other significant policy
>changes which we don't know
> > about. Better communication would also allow us to discuss out
>professional concerns
> > regarding training in the way we have done and continue to do with
>the SAC.
> >
>
>

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