Thanks Jonathan

I had already been warned by Miss Cusick hence did not book my
flights for Sydney last Wednesday.

I am due to start my OOPE in Sydney on 23/7/07 and did get approval
from the Dean and JCHST. I have received a letter from JCHST today
confirming that PMETB must prospectively approve the post.

I sent an e-mail to the deanery last week but have yet to hear as
they are all busy with MTAS!!!!!!!!!

If it takes 3 months to approve once they receive the documents, how
are we to organise moving across the world in days and what are we to
tell the centre that is expecting us?

Any news from your request to have those in my situation be treatde
like those already on their OOPE?

Regards

Yatin

--- In paediatricsurgerytrainees@yahoogroups.com, "sutcliffejonathan"
<jonathan.sutcliffe@...> wrote:
>
> Overseas posts/non-accredited posts
>
> The SAC were told this week that as of 1 January 2007 all posts
leading to CCT must be
> approved prospectively by PMETB. Without this prospective approval,
the trainee will no
> longer be eligible for a CCT if they wish this time to be counted.
Instead the trainee will
> need to apply to be given Certificate of Eligibility to the
Specialist Register (CESR). CESR is
> intended to allow the holder to apply for consultant jobs and is
the route taken by people
> going through Article 14.
>
> A possible alternative (although I have not been able to confirm if
accurate) is if the trainee
> wishes to maintain eligibility for CCT, to apply to the Dean for
time out of training and not
> recognise the OOPE.
>
> The application process is likely to take 3/12 from submission of
forms.
>
> I have contacted The Head of Approval and Visits at PMETB and
obtained clarification for
> the following groups. These are her comments
>
> 1. Trainees with SAC approved posts already on OOPE:
> If approval for the OOPE post was granted prior to 1 January 2007,
and evidence of this
> approval from the Deanery and SAC can be provided, then approval
will be honoured.
>
> 2. Trainees with SAC approval about to go (say in the next few
months):
> These trainees need prospective PMETB approval. These applications
for approval will
> need to come directly from deaneries; PMETB is unable to accept
applications from
> individual trainees, SACs or Colleges. This is consistent with
PMETB policy of holding the
> deaneries responsible for local level quality management of
education and training.
> Trainees are therefore advised to liaise with their deaneries to co-
ordinate the applications
> for approval. PMETB guidance on prospective approval of overseas
posts can be found
> here:
> http://www.pmetb.org.uk/fileadmin/user/Policy/Policy_Statements/
> Prospective_approval_of_overseas_posts_-_Guidance_2_Oct_06.pdf
> and PMETB guidance on general post and programme approval,
including research posts,
> can be found under the `latest news' section in the following part
of the PMETB website:
> http://www.pmetb.org.uk/index.php?id=postandprogrammeapproval
>
> 3. Trainees who have begun planning but not yet obtained approval:
> Need to apply as above
>
> 4. Point of contact for further questions to PMETB:
> quality.assurance@...
>
> I have written to PMETB to say that none of us were aware of this
change is concerning and
> indeed it is possible that there are other significant policy
changes which we don't know
> about. Better communication would also allow us to discuss out
professional concerns
> regarding training in the way we have done and continue to do with
the SAC.
>