Hello,



I feel compelled to write about my experience with doing direct IV just to calm

any fears some of you may have.  I have only done it 5 times now, and have

probably made many mistakes, but the one I'm going to talk about here is this. 

On my third application I accidentally forgot to turn on the regulator, I have

since put up a procedure list to check off.  So I filled the syringe with 10cc's

of ambient air.  I pushed it in and thought something was funny as the vein got

very large.  As I was turning everything off I saw what I had done and got a bit

fearful from hearing all the talk of embolisms.  I waited an hour or so and

nothing, absolutely nothing happened.  So I investigated a few pathologists

sites and found out that to cause an embolism one must inject at least 200 cc's

of air.  Which of course there aren't even syringes that large.  I would never

do that again, but if it were to happen I wouldn't have the fear I did that day.

I hope this helps anyone having trepidations about this useful form of using

ozone in certain situations.



Edy

And even in administering large dosages of air the emboli can be overcome by

laying on a specific side. As the heart pumps eventually the air breaks up and

dissipates ....I just don't remember which side you are suppose to lay on.

Anyone? This is what they do in the hospital if it should occur... in many many

years of nursing work I have never seen it.





  In oxyzone@yahoogroups.com, "edyrayfield@..." <edyrayfield@...> wrote:

>

> Hello,

>

> I feel compelled to write about my experience with doing direct IV just to

calm any fears some of you may have.  I have only done it 5 times now, and have

probably made many mistakes, but the one I'm going to talk about here is this. 

On my third application I accidentally forgot to turn on the regulator, I have

since put up a procedure list to check off.  So I filled the syringe with 10cc's

of ambient air.  I pushed it in and thought something was funny as the vein got

very large.  As I was turning everything off I saw what I had done and got a bit

fearful from hearing all the talk of embolisms.  I waited an hour or so and

nothing, absolutely nothing happened.  So I investigated a few pathologists

sites and found out that to cause an embolism one must inject at least 200 cc's

of air.  Which of course there aren't even syringes that large.  I would never

do that again, but if it were to happen I wouldn't have the fear I did that day.

I hope this helps anyone having trepidations about this useful form of using

ozone in certain situations.

>

> Edy

>

Dr. Howard,



It really is nice to have a real doctor in the group.  So many people on these

forum play doctor, and will even imply doctor, when they are not at all.



Thanks for you input.



People will often get desperate when very ill.



Gail

-- In oxyzone@yahoogroups.com, DOCTOR HOWARD ROBINS <howardrobins@...> wrote:

>

> Once again, IT IS EXTREMELY DANGEROUS TO GET TO GET "AIR" IN YOUR BLOOD. THE

NITROGEN CAN AGGLUTINATE (FORM A BIG BUBBLE) AND KILL YOU. IT CAN KILL YOU. ONLY

AN INSANE PERSON WOULD TAKE THIS RISK. I DON'T CARE HOW MANY TIMES YOU SURVIVE

THIS MISTAKE, IT'S WRONG TO DO IT AND IT'S WRONG TO ADVISE ANYONE THAT "IT'S

O.K.". 

> It's talk like this that makes me feel that maybe, just maybe, Dr Bocci is

correct about Direct Iv. ONly trained medical professionals should ever do it.

> PLEASE BE CAREFUL, AS SMOKEY THE BEAR ONCE SAID "THE LIFE YOU SAVE MAY BE YOUR

OWN".

> DR HOWARD ROBINS

>

> --- On Tue, 5/19/09, Arrow <arrowwind09@...> wrote:

>

> From: Arrow <arrowwind09@...>

> Subject: [oxyzone] Re: direct IV

> To: oxyzone@yahoogroups.com

> Date: Tuesday, May 19, 2009, 1:45 AM

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>       And even in administering large dosages of air the emboli can be

overcome by laying on a specific side. As the heart pumps eventually the air

breaks up and dissipates ....I just don't remember which side you are suppose to

lay on. Anyone? This is what they do in the hospital if it should occur... in

many many years of nursing work I have never seen it.

>

>

>

> In oxyzone@yahoogroups .com, "edyrayfield@ ..." <edyrayfield@ ...> wrote:

>

> >

>

> > Hello,

>

> >

>

> > I feel compelled to write about my experience with doing direct IV just to

calm any fears some of you may have.  I have only done it 5 times now, and have

probably made many mistakes, but the one I'm going to talk about here is this. 

On my third application I accidentally forgot to turn on the regulator, I have

since put up a procedure list to check off.  So I filled the syringe with 10cc's

of ambient air.  I pushed it in and thought something was funny as the vein got

very large.  As I was turning everything off I saw what I had done and got a bit

fearful from hearing all the talk of embolisms.  I waited an hour or so and

nothing, absolutely nothing happened.  So I investigated a few pathologists

sites and found out that to cause an embolism one must inject at least 200 cc's

of air.  Which of course there aren't even syringes that large.  I would never

do that again, but if it were to happen I wouldn't have the fear I did that day.

I hope this helps

>  anyone having trepidations

>  about this useful form of using ozone in certain situations.

>

> >

>

> > Edy

>

> >

>

...he's a podiatrist.  DPM.



> -----Original Message-----

> From: oxyzone@yahoogroups.com

> [mailto:oxyzone@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of wanda85929

> Sent: Tuesday, May 19, 2009 12:09 PM

> To: oxyzone@yahoogroups.com

> Subject: [oxyzone] Re: direct IV

>

> Dr. Howard,

>

> It really is nice to have a real doctor in the group.  So

> many people on these forum play doctor, and will even imply

> doctor, when they are not at all.

>

> Thanks for you input.

>

> People will often get desperate when very ill.

>

> Gail

--- In oxyzone@yahoogroups.com, "bob Larson" <bobList@...> wrote:

>

> ...he's a podiatrist.  DPM.

>

>

Well, don't they go to medical school and have to pass the boards?  Gail

...more or less.  depends on where and when.



it appears that these days that's true in the US.  earlier times were

different.



> -----Original Message-----

> >

> Well, don't they go to medical school and have to pass the

> boards?  Gail

>

Thank You, Peter for your sane reply to this fear mongering.



Technique is everything when doing IV work. My biggest concern with injection of

ozone

would be if someone were using a pic or central line.  I am wondering if you

think it is OK to use these kind of lines for direct IV ozone application. One

thought I had, since these lines are suppose to stay in place for up to 3

months, would the ozone erode the catheter that is in the vein? Sometimes these

catheters are quite long, going from the antecubital insert site, or there

abouts, almost all the way to the heart. This would worry me. Have you had

experience using ozone with these lines?

thanks,

Arrow





-- In oxyzone@yahoogroups.com, Peter Professor Ozone Jovanovic <peter@...>

wrote:

>

> Dear all:

>

> Time for me to say something about this...

>

> It is my opinion that Edy was sharing a story and not saying that it is ok

> to inject air. Merely pointing out what happened so that those of you that

> believe ozone IV can create an emboli are misguided due to the lack of

> nitrogen. Please as always read as much as you can to be educated. What I

> want to say is that there are many references, which I have included some

> and it is up to all of you what you believe or interpret from what is

> stated. As in all cases do not do what others tell you, research and only do

> what you are comfortable with and accept responsibility for it.

>

> For the record, in my time with many thousands of those treated in our

> clinics and hospitals, I have never come across one person that suffered

> from an embolism, although we have always used pure oxygen and medical ozone

> units.

>

>

> http://www.merck.com/mmhe/sec04/ch046/ch046a.html

>

> http://www.vascularweb.org/patients/NorthPoint/Pulmonary_Embolism.html

>

> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Air_embolism

>

> http://www.impactednurse.com/?p=303

>

> http://www.politedissent.com/archives/1873

>

> http://www.secondopinionnewsletter.com/pages.aspx/28/Hydrogen%20Peroxide%20D

> oesn%27t%20Kill%20Patients,%20Drugs%20Do!/

>

> http://www.nhs.uk/conditions/embolism/Pages/Introduction.aspx

> I'm a vet, and I can say that some of the ideas people have suggested would

> only work with a very big needle or if you were very lucky.

> We sometimes inject euthenasia solution into the heart to euthenase animals

> (under unusual circumstances). The actual needle going in does not cause

> death, only the chemical, which is an overdose of anaesthetic. So you could

> cause death by injecting something through the needle into the heart, if it

> was a hypodermic, but not with the needle itself, unless you had dipped it

> in a toxin of some kind beforehand. Also, it can be quite hard to hit the

> heart even if you have been trained to do so, so your torturer might not

> manage.

> An air embolus in a vein is not always fatal, it depends where it ends up.

> Medics (human and veterinary) try to avoid running air bubbles through

> drips, but it does sometimes happen, and usually it doesn't cause a problem.

> You could not easily kill someone by sticking a needle into an artery. For

> one thing, arteries have thick rubbery walls and are not that easy to

> pierce: they tend to slip off the needle. For another, blood clots fast, and

> you would need a big hole for blood to flow out faster than the clot blocked

> it for long enough for the person to bleed out and die. More likely, you'd

> just end up with a big painful bruise. The same is true of puncturing a

> vein.

> I think the best method would be via the brain, as someone else said. This

> is basically what they do when they pith frogs for physiology experiments

> (or used to). You could try sticking the needle up through the hard palate,

> in through the nose or back of the eye socket, or perhaps through an ear,

> but in all cases you would need a big, strong needle and a hammer. A skewer

> might work better. I don't think many of these would be instant. Also bear

> in mind that the brain itself does not feel pain because it has no pain

> receptors, so while the damage on the way through the skull would be

> excruciating, the brain bit wouldn't hurt.

> Or, if you wanted to do it very slowly, you could stick the needle through

> their abdomen and into their guts a few times (not all that easy either:

> guts tend to slip out of the way). Then intestinal bacteria would leak into

> the abdomen and they'd get peritonitis, become very ill, and die: but it

> would take days and days, and not be guaranteed.

> Yuck.

> Murder by air embolism is quite rare, despite the strong chances of a

> murderer escaping scot free in such cases. This is because such a technique

> requires great skill. Not everyone can handle a syringe, let alone puncture

> a vein successfully with it. I have a nagging fear that such type of murder

> might be very common among the drug addicts of our country. They are quite

> suited for committing such types of murder. They can handle syringes very

> deftly (almost as deftly as doctors, as they have to inject the drugs

> through the syringe all the time), and they need to do away with people

> fairly commonly.

> In my whole life, I have encountered just one case of murder by air embolism

> and that too when I was in Edinburgh. The case was of a doctor husband who

> had got tired of his nagging wife. The husband was carrying on an affair

> with one of his female patients and his wife had got hint of that. She was

> having fits of faintness for quite sometime. So one day the doctor filled up

> a large syringe with air and injected air into her veins under the pretext

> that he was giving her some drug. About 200 c.c. of air is required to kill

> a person by air embolism. I do not know how he managed to inject that much

> amount through a syringe. Even a commonly used large syringe takes in about

> 20 c.c. of air only. He might have used a bigger syringe or may be he

> repeatedly pushed the air inside by removing the piston from the syringe

> again and again. Well, the important thing is that he did use the air for

> committing the murder. He would have gone scot free, but when I asked one of

> the witnesses as to what were the symptoms of the lady when she was dying, I

> was told that she was gasping for air. This immediately alerted me. This is

> a symptom of air embolism as we have already seen. Coupled with this was the

> fact that her husband was a doctor. He was ideally suited for committing

> such a type of act. So before opening the body, I decided to take a

> radiograph (X-ray) of the body. Sure enough the bubbles of air could be seen

> in the deceased woman's pulmonary arteries. Then I looked at the dead

> woman's forearms. They showed marks of injection. Immediately I alerted the

> Lothian and Borders Police (the police force that mans the city of

> Edinburgh). A detailed interrogation was done and sure enough the doctor

> admitted his guilt. This was yet another victory of Forensic Medicine.

>

> So we're left to wonder once again, can a shot of air really kill someone?

> The Real Story: Possibly, but only a real tool would test it out.

> Bubbles of air in the circulating blood can cause death or brain damage, if

> the air bubble cuts off the blood supply to your brain.

> However, according to Dr. Barry Wolcott MD, FACP, senior vice president of

> clinical affairs for WebMD <http://www.webmd.com>  Health, "In general, the

> small amount of air that can be introduced by a typical syringe is not large

> enough to cause a fatal air embolism (an air embolism is similar to a blood

> clot)."

> Dr. Wolcott explained, "the large amounts of air that can quickly enter

> through a large plastic catheter which is open to the air - like those

> placed in the neck or under the collarbone during resuscitations in

> hospitals and at accident scenes - can be fatal, especially if the patient

> inhales forcefully while the catheter is open to the air."

>

>

> May God Bless You And Keep You Well

>

> Peter (Professor Ozone) Jovanovic

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>

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>

> From: oxyzone@yahoogroups.com [mailto:oxyzone@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of

> DOCTOR HOWARD ROBINS

> Sent: May-19-09 6:43 AM

> To: oxyzone@yahoogroups.com

> Subject: Re: [oxyzone] Re: direct IV

>

>

>

>

>

>

> Once again, IT IS EXTREMELY DANGEROUS TO GET TO GET "AIR" IN YOUR BLOOD. THE

> NITROGEN CAN AGGLUTINATE (FORM A BIG BUBBLE) AND KILL YOU. IT CAN KILL YOU.

> ONLY AN INSANE PERSON WOULD TAKE THIS RISK. I DON'T CARE HOW MANY TIMES YOU

> SURVIVE THIS MISTAKE, IT'S WRONG TO DO IT AND IT'S WRONG TO ADVISE ANYONE

> THAT "IT'S O.K.".

>

> It's talk like this that makes me feel that maybe, just maybe, Dr Bocci is

> correct about Direct Iv. ONly trained medical professionals should ever do

> it.

>

> PLEASE BE CAREFUL, AS SMOKEY THE BEAR ONCE SAID "THE LIFE YOU SAVE MAY BE

> YOUR OWN".

>

> DR HOWARD ROBINS

>

> --- On Tue, 5/19/09, Arrow <arrowwind09@...> wrote:

>

> From: Arrow <arrowwind09@...>

> Subject: [oxyzone] Re: direct IV

> To: oxyzone@yahoogroups.com

> Date: Tuesday, May 19, 2009, 1:45 AM

> And even in administering large dosages of air the emboli can be overcome by

> laying on a specific side. As the heart pumps eventually the air breaks up

> and dissipates ....I just don't remember which side you are suppose to lay

> on. Anyone? This is what they do in the hospital if it should occur... in

> many many years of nursing work I have never seen it.

>

> In oxyzone@yahoogroups .com, "edyrayfield@ ..." <edyrayfield@ ...> wrote:

> >

> > Hello,

> >

> > I feel compelled to write about my experience with doing direct IV just to

> calm any fears some of you may have. I have only done it 5 times now, and

> have probably made many mistakes, but the one I'm going to talk about here

> is this. On my third application I accidentally forgot to turn on the

> regulator, I have since put up a procedure list to check off. So I filled

> the syringe with 10cc's of ambient air. I pushed it in and thought something

> was funny as the vein got very large. As I was turning everything off I saw

> what I had done and got a bit fearful from hearing all the talk of

> embolisms. I waited an hour or so and nothing, absolutely nothing happened.

> So I investigated a few pathologists sites and found out that to cause an

> embolism one must inject at least 200 cc's of air. Which of course there

> aren't even syringes that large. I would never do that again, but if it were

> to happen I wouldn't have the fear I did that day. I hope this helps anyone

> having trepidations about this useful form of using ozone in certain

> situations.

> >

> > Edy

> >

>

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>

And what is biotherapy?

Arrow



  In oxyzone@yahoogroups.com, "Peter (Professor Ozone) Jovanovic" <peter@...>

wrote:

>

> My pleasure....

>

>

>

> They can be used if kept clean and made of silicone. I have had a person use

> one in the States and we use them in Malaysia, however we have switched to

> doing what we need with the use of biotherapy. I would assume plastic would

> disintegrate at the beginning however i do not think it would be an issue

> inside the body as the ozone has converted by then. Having said that, I

> would avoid it if not ozone resistant.

>

>

>

> May God Bless You And Keep You Well

>

>

>

> Peter (Professor Ozone) Jovanovic

>

> www.ozoneuniversity.com <http://www.ozoneuniversity.com/>

>

> www.ozonehospital.com <http://www.ozonehospital.com/>

>

> www.oxygentherapyexperts.com <http://www.oxygentherapyexperts.com/>

>

> www.medicalozone.info <http://www.medicalozone.info/>

>

> www.bloodozonation.com <http://www.bloodozonation.com/>

>

> http://www.youtube.com/user/ozoneresearch

>

> Phone - +1-604-501-6051

>

> Fax - +1-440-550-5610

>

> Ozone Research Group

>

> Founder

>

> Skype ID - ozoneresearch

>

> Yahoo ID - humansafe2001

>

> Yahoo Group Owner - http://groups.yahoo.com/group/oxyzone

>

> "The only way to discover the limits of the possible is to venture a little

> way past them into the impossible."

>

> Arthur C. Clarke

>

> WITHOUT PREJUDICE

>

> Without prejudice to the generality of the contents herein, this

> communication does not attach any legal liability on the originator thereof.

> This communication contains information, which is private in nature,

> confidential and may also be privileged. It is for the exclusive use of the

> intended recipient(s). If you have received this communication by error, or

> have received it by means of interception, please delete the email and

> destroy any copies of it.The message herein the subject of this mailing is

> designed to provide information in regard to the subject matter covered. It

> is provided with the understanding that the sender of this information is

> not engaged in rendering legal, medical, accounting or other professional

> services. If legal, medical advice or other professional assistance is

> required, the services of a competent professional person should be sought.

>

>

>

>

> From: oxyzone@yahoogroups.com [mailto:oxyzone@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of

> Arrow

> Sent: July-07-09 1:01 PM

> To: oxyzone@yahoogroups.com

> Subject: [oxyzone] Re: direct IV

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

> Thank You, Peter for your sane reply to this fear mongering.

>

> Technique is everything when doing IV work. My biggest concern with

> injection of ozone

> would be if someone were using a pic or central line. I am wondering if you

> think it is OK to use these kind of lines for direct IV ozone application.

> One thought I had, since these lines are suppose to stay in place for up to

> 3 months, would the ozone erode the catheter that is in the vein? Sometimes

> these catheters are quite long, going from the antecubital insert site, or

> there abouts, almost all the way to the heart. This would worry me. Have you

> had experience using ozone with these lines?

> thanks,

> Arrow

>

> -- In oxyzone@yahoogroups.com <mailto:oxyzone%40yahoogroups.com> , Peter

> Professor Ozone Jovanovic <peter@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear all:

> >

> > Time for me to say something about this...

> >

> > It is my opinion that Edy was sharing a story and not saying that it is ok

> > to inject air. Merely pointing out what happened so that those of you that

> > believe ozone IV can create an emboli are misguided due to the lack of

> > nitrogen. Please as always read as much as you can to be educated. What I

> > want to say is that there are many references, which I have included some

> > and it is up to all of you what you believe or interpret from what is

> > stated. As in all cases do not do what others tell you, research and only

> do

> > what you are comfortable with and accept responsibility for it.

> >

> > For the record, in my time with many thousands of those treated in our

> > clinics and hospitals, I have never come across one person that suffered

> > from an embolism, although we have always used pure oxygen and medical

> ozone

> > units.

> >

> >

> > http://www.merck.com/mmhe/sec04/ch046/ch046a.html

> >

> > http://www.vascularweb.org/patients/NorthPoint/Pulmonary_Embolism.html

> >

> > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Air_embolism

> >

> > http://www.impactednurse.com/?p=303

> >

> > http://www.politedissent.com/archives/1873

> >

> >

> http://www.secondopinionnewsletter.com/pages.aspx/28/Hydrogen%20Peroxide%20D

> > oesn%27t%20Kill%20Patients,%20Drugs%20Do!/

> >

> > http://www.nhs.uk/conditions/embolism/Pages/Introduction.aspx

> > I'm a vet, and I can say that some of the ideas people have suggested

> would

> > only work with a very big needle or if you were very lucky.

> > We sometimes inject euthenasia solution into the heart to euthenase

> animals

> > (under unusual circumstances). The actual needle going in does not cause

> > death, only the chemical, which is an overdose of anaesthetic. So you

> could

> > cause death by injecting something through the needle into the heart, if

> it

> > was a hypodermic, but not with the needle itself, unless you had dipped it

> > in a toxin of some kind beforehand. Also, it can be quite hard to hit the

> > heart even if you have been trained to do so, so your torturer might not

> > manage.

> > An air embolus in a vein is not always fatal, it depends where it ends up.

> > Medics (human and veterinary) try to avoid running air bubbles through

> > drips, but it does sometimes happen, and usually it doesn't cause a

> problem.

> > You could not easily kill someone by sticking a needle into an artery. For

> > one thing, arteries have thick rubbery walls and are not that easy to

> > pierce: they tend to slip off the needle. For another, blood clots fast,

> and

> > you would need a big hole for blood to flow out faster than the clot

> blocked

> > it for long enough for the person to bleed out and die. More likely, you'd

> > just end up with a big painful bruise. The same is true of puncturing a

> > vein.

> > I think the best method would be via the brain, as someone else said. This

> > is basically what they do when they pith frogs for physiology experiments

> > (or used to). You could try sticking the needle up through the hard

> palate,

> > in through the nose or back of the eye socket, or perhaps through an ear,

> > but in all cases you would need a big, strong needle and a hammer. A

> skewer

> > might work better. I don't think many of these would be instant. Also bear

> > in mind that the brain itself does not feel pain because it has no pain

> > receptors, so while the damage on the way through the skull would be

> > excruciating, the brain bit wouldn't hurt.

> > Or, if you wanted to do it very slowly, you could stick the needle through

> > their abdomen and into their guts a few times (not all that easy either:

> > guts tend to slip out of the way). Then intestinal bacteria would leak

> into

> > the abdomen and they'd get peritonitis, become very ill, and die: but it

> > would take days and days, and not be guaranteed.

> > Yuck.

> > Murder by air embolism is quite rare, despite the strong chances of a

> > murderer escaping scot free in such cases. This is because such a

> technique

> > requires great skill. Not everyone can handle a syringe, let alone

> puncture

> > a vein successfully with it. I have a nagging fear that such type of

> murder

> > might be very common among the drug addicts of our country. They are quite

> > suited for committing such types of murder. They can handle syringes very

> > deftly (almost as deftly as doctors, as they have to inject the drugs

> > through the syringe all the time), and they need to do away with people

> > fairly commonly.

> > In my whole life, I have encountered just one case of murder by air

> embolism

> > and that too when I was in Edinburgh. The case was of a doctor husband who

> > had got tired of his nagging wife. The husband was carrying on an affair

> > with one of his female patients and his wife had got hint of that. She was

> > having fits of faintness for quite sometime. So one day the doctor filled

> up

> > a large syringe with air and injected air into her veins under the pretext

> > that he was giving her some drug. About 200 c.c. of air is required to

> kill

> > a person by air embolism. I do not know how he managed to inject that much

> > amount through a syringe. Even a commonly used large syringe takes in

> about

> > 20 c.c. of air only. He might have used a bigger syringe or may be he

> > repeatedly pushed the air inside by removing the piston from the syringe

> > again and again. Well, the important thing is that he did use the air for

> > committing the murder. He would have gone scot free, but when I asked one

> of

> > the witnesses as to what were the symptoms of the lady when she was dying,

> I

> > was told that she was gasping for air. This immediately alerted me. This

> is

> > a symptom of air embolism as we have already seen. Coupled with this was

> the

> > fact that her husband was a doctor. He was ideally suited for committing

> > such a type of act. So before opening the body, I decided to take a

> > radiograph (X-ray) of the body. Sure enough the bubbles of air could be

> seen

> > in the deceased woman's pulmonary arteries. Then I looked at the dead

> > woman's forearms. They showed marks of injection. Immediately I alerted

> the

> > Lothian and Borders Police (the police force that mans the city of

> > Edinburgh). A detailed interrogation was done and sure enough the doctor

> > admitted his guilt. This was yet another victory of Forensic Medicine.

> >

> > So we're left to wonder once again, can a shot of air really kill someone?

>

> > The Real Story: Possibly, but only a real tool would test it out.

> > Bubbles of air in the circulating blood can cause death or brain damage,

> if

> > the air bubble cuts off the blood supply to your brain.

> > However, according to Dr. Barry Wolcott MD, FACP, senior vice president of

> > clinical affairs for WebMD <http://www.webmd.com> Health, "In general, the

> > small amount of air that can be introduced by a typical syringe is not

> large

> > enough to cause a fatal air embolism (an air embolism is similar to a

> blood

> > clot)."

> > Dr. Wolcott explained, "the large amounts of air that can quickly enter

> > through a large plastic catheter which is open to the air - like those

> > placed in the neck or under the collarbone during resuscitations in

> > hospitals and at accident scenes - can be fatal, especially if the patient

> > inhales forcefully while the catheter is open to the air."

> >

> >

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> >

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> > From: oxyzone@yahoogroups.com <mailto:oxyzone%40yahoogroups.com>

> [mailto:oxyzone@yahoogroups.com <mailto:oxyzone%40yahoogroups.com> ] On

> Behalf Of

> > DOCTOR HOWARD ROBINS

> > Sent: May-19-09 6:43 AM

> > To: oxyzone@yahoogroups.com <mailto:oxyzone%40yahoogroups.com>

> > Subject: Re: [oxyzone] Re: direct IV

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Once again, IT IS EXTREMELY DANGEROUS TO GET TO GET "AIR" IN YOUR BLOOD.

> THE

> > NITROGEN CAN AGGLUTINATE (FORM A BIG BUBBLE) AND KILL YOU. IT CAN KILL

> YOU.

> > ONLY AN INSANE PERSON WOULD TAKE THIS RISK. I DON'T CARE HOW MANY TIMES

> YOU

> > SURVIVE THIS MISTAKE, IT'S WRONG TO DO IT AND IT'S WRONG TO ADVISE ANYONE

> > THAT "IT'S O.K.".

> >

> > It's talk like this that makes me feel that maybe, just maybe, Dr Bocci is

> > correct about Direct Iv. ONly trained medical professionals should ever do

> > it.

> >

> > PLEASE BE CAREFUL, AS SMOKEY THE BEAR ONCE SAID "THE LIFE YOU SAVE MAY BE

> > YOUR OWN".

> >

> > DR HOWARD ROBINS

> >

> > --- On Tue, 5/19/09, Arrow <arrowwind09@> wrote:

> >

> > From: Arrow <arrowwind09@>

> > Subject: [oxyzone] Re: direct IV

> > To: oxyzone@yahoogroups.com <mailto:oxyzone%40yahoogroups.com>

> > Date: Tuesday, May 19, 2009, 1:45 AM

> > And even in administering large dosages of air the emboli can be overcome

> by

> > laying on a specific side. As the heart pumps eventually the air breaks up

> > and dissipates ....I just don't remember which side you are suppose to lay

> > on. Anyone? This is what they do in the hospital if it should occur... in

> > many many years of nursing work I have never seen it.

> >

> > In oxyzone@yahoogroups .com, "edyrayfield@ ..." <edyrayfield@ ...> wrote:

> > >

> > > Hello,

> > >

> > > I feel compelled to write about my experience with doing direct IV just

> to

> > calm any fears some of you may have. I have only done it 5 times now, and

> > have probably made many mistakes, but the one I'm going to talk about here

> > is this. On my third application I accidentally forgot to turn on the

> > regulator, I have since put up a procedure list to check off. So I filled

> > the syringe with 10cc's of ambient air. I pushed it in and thought

> something

> > was funny as the vein got very large. As I was turning everything off I

> saw

> > what I had done and got a bit fearful from hearing all the talk of

> > embolisms. I waited an hour or so and nothing, absolutely nothing

> happened.

> > So I investigated a few pathologists sites and found out that to cause an

> > embolism one must inject at least 200 cc's of air. Which of course there

> > aren't even syringes that large. I would never do that again, but if it

> were

> > to happen I wouldn't have the fear I did that day. I hope this helps

> anyone

> > having trepidations about this useful form of using ozone in certain

> > situations.

> > >

> > > Edy

> > >

> >

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> >

>

Hello Edy, After 5 direct IV's I would like to know if you feel better. Since

direct IV are supposed to be so powerful I am  very curious  to know what you

may have noticed. Have you had any type of blood work done to measure any values

that might have changes. If Dr. ROBINS reads this I would like to ask him or

Professor PETER what LAB values one might look at measure the effect Ozone is

having on the body. White blood cell count? Red blood cell?  Should the CBC

(complete blood count) platlet, neutrophils, lymphocytes, or monocytes change? 

Just wondering because I just go some blood work done after 7 Major

AutoHemotherapy sessions and will compare it to my labs work before. The one I

am interested in is my viral load? Thats all for now.





--- In oxyzone@yahoogroups.com, "edyrayfield@..." <edyrayfield@...> wrote:

>

> Hello,

>

> I feel compelled to write about my experience with doing direct IV just to

calm any fears some of you may have.  I have only done it 5 times now, and have

probably made many mistakes, but the one I'm going to talk about here is this. 

On my third application I accidentally forgot to turn on the regulator, I have

since put up a procedure list to check off.  So I filled the syringe with 10cc's

of ambient air.  I pushed it in and thought something was funny as the vein got

very large.  As I was turning everything off I saw what I had done and got a bit

fearful from hearing all the talk of embolisms.  I waited an hour or so and

nothing, absolutely nothing happened.  So I investigated a few pathologists

sites and found out that to cause an embolism one must inject at least 200 cc's

of air.  Which of course there aren't even syringes that large.  I would never

do that again, but if it were to happen I wouldn't have the fear I did that day.

I hope this helps anyone having trepidations about this useful form of using

ozone in certain situations.

>

> Edy

>