wikipedia only show pyroluria as part of an entry for orthomolecular
psychiatry, which isn't a positive writeup:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orthomolecular_psychiatry#Pyroluria

worth reading, at least so to know what the mainstream position is and to
critically view other positions and proponents.

i like the relatively cheap idea of using zinc supps in various zinc forms
to see what happens, giving it some time to have some effect.  it can only
help to be sure there's not a deficiency.


________________________________

	 From: oxyzone@yahoogroups.com [mailto:oxyzone@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of Edy Rayfield
	 Sent: Thursday, May 14, 2009 10:35 AM
	 To: oxyzone@yahoogroups.com
	 Subject: Re: [oxyzone] Re: Skin rash after ozone sauna (CFS patient)




	 Please read what I posted about the kryptopyrroluria that Dr. K is
testing all his CFS patients for.

	 --- On Thu, 5/14/09, andre_ligthart <ligtharta@...> wrote:

it looks like the single-dose med needs to be repeated annually?

in digging around, i found a write-up on quackwatch (yeah, i know...) about
h.clark and her theories re flukes and parasites that makes a lot of sense:

http://quackwatch.org/01QuackeryRelatedTopics/Cancer/clarkaff/pappas.html

however, the cleanse in forms using the various 3 ingredients historically
precedes h.clark in folk medicine and has value without harm, so i'm going
to do one before a series of liver cleanses.

i just read i think in wiki that CNS lesions can and do happen from this
fluke, which tends to be a chronic infestation.  but your brain spots showed
up after the drug dose?  weird.  if it were me, i'd probably do the parasite
cleanse and keep up the ear insufflations for quite awhile anyway.  and use
a lot of CSilver for a few months to clean out other microbes and immune
support, for additional terrain improvement and possible surprise benefits.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: oxyzone@yahoogroups.com
> [mailto:oxyzone@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of andre_ligthart
> Sent: Thursday, May 14, 2009 10:43 AM
> To: oxyzone@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [oxyzone] Re: Skin rash after ozone sauna (CFS patient)
>
> > i've read that ear insufflation of ozone gets the ozone to
> the brain, and is
> > supposed to be effective in dealing with brain tumors.  if
> that's true, that
> > might be worth trying?
>
> I have tried ear insufflation for a long time. But I get
> extreme dripping and irritated ears after only 20 seconds of
> insufflation at the lowest ozone output level. My ears had to
> recover for almost a week from such a short session. I kept
> on trying but gave up, because of the extreme dripping.
>
>
>
> > have you tried or considered a h.clarke parasite cleanse -
> wormwood, cloves,
> > walnut hull extract ?  it might do as well or better than
> the med you took?
>
> I have done that protocol some time ago. Bilharzia is a very
> specific tropical infection and I am not sure whether the
> h.clark protocol will kill it. However, I am free of it now,
> because the single dose med that I got should have killed it.
>
>

wikipedia only show pyroluria as part of an entry for orthomolecular
psychiatry, which isn't a positive writeup:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orthomolecular_psychiatry#Pyroluria

worth reading, at least so to know what the mainstream position is and to
critically view other positions and proponents.

i like the relatively cheap idea of using zinc supps in various zinc forms
to see what happens, giving it some time to have some effect.  it can only
help to be sure there's not a deficiency.


________________________________

	 From: oxyzone@yahoogroups.com [mailto:oxyzone@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of Edy Rayfield
	 Sent: Thursday, May 14, 2009 10:35 AM
	 To: oxyzone@yahoogroups.com
	 Subject: Re: [oxyzone] Re: Skin rash after ozone sauna (CFS patient)




	 Please read what I posted about the kryptopyrroluria that Dr. K is
testing all his CFS patients for.

	 --- On Thu, 5/14/09, andre_ligthart <ligtharta@...> wrote:

ps. Egg yolk lectihin is very brain friendly.  might like to give it a try.  not
a cure but does help brain function.  gail

--- In oxyzone@yahoogroups.com, "andre_ligthart" <ligtharta@...> wrote:
>
>
> There are 2 other important things which were diagnosed recently:
>
> 1)
> Recently my doctor discovered a tropical parasitic infection 'Bilharzia' (also
known as Schistosomiasis), see: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schistosomiasis
>
> I got a single dose medication to kill the parasite, but my symptoms
(especially the brain symptoms) are much worse now. According to my doctor,
Bilharzia itself is not in the brain. I have had this infection for 8 or 10
years as I have not been to a tropical region that long. Bilharzia can slowly
destroy organs, because it is continually producing eggs, mostly in the liver or
intestine.
>
>
Andre,

The more I thought about your parasitic infection, the more I think trying the
salt/c protocol might help.  It is also suppose to be able to cross the brain
bearer or whatever they call it.  Lymestrategies egroup is a good place to learn
more about it.  They also suggest coffee enemas to help relieve the load of the
liver when you start detoxing.

I don't want you or anybody to think I'm not promoting ozone.  I like it and use
it.  The main thing I've found tho is you really have to go slowly.  When you
have the rashing that you showed us, it's just miserable and you really don't
have to go through that if you will only back off some and concentrate more on
the liver.

Gail

> i've read that ear insufflation of ozone gets the ozone to the brain, and is
> supposed to be effective in dealing with brain tumors.  if that's true, that
> might be worth trying?

I have tried ear insufflation for a long time. But I get extreme dripping and
irritated ears after only 20 seconds of insufflation at the lowest ozone output
level. My ears had to recover for almost a week from such a short session. I
kept on trying but gave up, because of the extreme dripping.



> have you tried or considered a h.clarke parasite cleanse - wormwood, cloves,
> walnut hull extract ?  it might do as well or better than the med you took?

I have done that protocol some time ago. Bilharzia is a very specific tropical
infection and I am not sure whether the h.clark protocol will kill it. However,
I am free of it now, because the single dose med that I got should have killed
it.

i've read that ear insufflation of ozone gets the ozone to the brain, and is
supposed to be effective in dealing with brain tumors.  if that's true, that
might be worth trying?

have you tried or considered a h.clarke parasite cleanse - wormwood, cloves,
walnut hull extract ?  it might do as well or better than the med you took?


> -----Original Message-----
> From: oxyzone@yahoogroups.com
> [mailto:oxyzone@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of andre_ligthart
> Sent: Thursday, May 14, 2009 6:56 AM
> To: oxyzone@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [oxyzone] Re: Skin rash after ozone sauna (CFS patient)
>
> Thanks Gail for your info.
>
> Many of the things you suggested I have already tried and I
> am still doing many of them. I am not working anymore and
> have no real stress anymore in my life.
>
> I have done about 7 or 8 liver flushes. I will do more...
>
> There are 2 other important things which were diagnosed recently:
>
> 1)
> Recently my doctor discovered a tropical parasitic infection
> 'Bilharzia' (also known as Schistosomiasis), see:
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schistosomiasis
>
> I got a single dose medication to kill the parasite, but my
> symptoms (especially the brain symptoms) are much worse now.
> According to my doctor, Bilharzia itself is not in the brain.
> I have had this infection for 8 or 10 years as I have not
> been to a tropical region that long. Bilharzia can slowly
> destroy organs, because it is continually producing eggs,
> mostly in the liver or intestine.
>
> 2)
> Recently an MRI Scan of my brain was made (by a german MRI
> centre). There were a lot of lesions in my brain with a max
> diameter of 0.6cm. The german doctor told me that this is
> absolutely abnormal for my age and that it has to be stopped.
> I am now consulting a neurologist and I am waiting for more
> test results.
>
> I feel so bad in my brain, it really drives me crazy. I find
> it very strange that my brain symptoms got worse after
> killing the Bilharzia.
>
> Sometimes I think that maybe trying ozone RHP (see
> http://www.ozonehospital.com ) will help me. But I am unsure
> whether I dare to put so much of my savings in this therapy
> without guarantees. I can say that I am quite desperate....
>

Hi Andre,

I don't know about the parasite, but I would certainly do everything your doctor
is suggesting to rid yourself of it.

As far as the lessions on the brain, I have read where that is common in people
with cfs for whatever reason.  I used to jokingly talk about being an 'air' head
because of it.

As far as doing the RHB, I think Peter would be able to answer.  My thought,
tho, are depending on what the quality of you life is like now.  If you have the
money and have absolutely no quality of life, I think it would be worth a try. 
Still is sure would be nice to be able to hear from others that have had the
procedure done and see what their results were rather than those that are just
promoting it.

Also, about the coffee enemas you mentioned in another post, people go say they
work very good.  They also seem to be more gentle than the Clark cleanse.

One more thing, some have gotten very good results with doing the salt/c
procotol.  You might want to give that a try.  Google to get more information. 
It is suppost to be very good for both cfs and lymes.

Take care,

Gail

-- In oxyzone@yahoogroups.com, "andre_ligthart" <ligtharta@...> wrote:
>
> Thanks Gail for your info.
>
> Many of the things you suggested I have already tried and I am still doing
many of them. I am not working anymore and have no real stress anymore in my
life.
>
> I have done about 7 or 8 liver flushes. I will do more...
>
> There are 2 other important things which were diagnosed recently:
>
> 1)
> Recently my doctor discovered a tropical parasitic infection 'Bilharzia' (also
known as Schistosomiasis), see: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schistosomiasis
>
> I got a single dose medication to kill the parasite, but my symptoms
(especially the brain symptoms) are much worse now. According to my doctor,
Bilharzia itself is not in the brain. I have had this infection for 8 or 10
years as I have not been to a tropical region that long. Bilharzia can slowly
destroy organs, because it is continually producing eggs, mostly in the liver or
intestine.
>
> 2)
> Recently an MRI Scan of my brain was made (by a german MRI centre). There were
a lot of lesions in my brain with a max diameter of 0.6cm. The german doctor
told me that this is absolutely abnormal for my age and that it has to be
stopped. I am now consulting a neurologist and I am waiting for more test
results.
>
> I feel so bad in my brain, it really drives me crazy. I find it very strange
that my brain symptoms got worse after killing the Bilharzia.
>
> Sometimes I think that maybe trying ozone RHP (see
http://www.ozonehospital.com ) will help me. But I am unsure whether I dare to
put so much of my savings in this therapy without guarantees. I can say that I
am quite desperate....
>

Good morning, Andre.

I thought Clark recommended doing them every 2 weeks until no more stones were
passed and then 1 twice yearly, one in the Fall and Spring.  However, because of
what Dr. Chenney said about our liver not being able to detox like a normal
liver, I think I will start doing them once a month.  From what I understand
it's kind of like we're drowning in our own toxins.  Like there's no door in the
liver to empty the toxins.  Anyway, originally I did the way she recommended 
but now I'm going to just include the cleasnes monthly as a way of life.

Gail

-- In oxyzone@yahoogroups.com, "andre_ligthart" <ligtharta@...> wrote:
>
> Gail, Paul,
>
> What is a good frequency for doing liver flushes? Hulda Clark says to wait 3
weeks before doing the next liver flush. Is this a good frequency or can it be
faster?
>
> Thanks,
> Andre
>

--- In oxyzone@yahoogroups.com, Peter Professor Ozone Jovanovic <peter@...>
wrote:
>
> Gail:
>
> I
  As far as my
> personal and professional opinion it is that I do not agree with what you
> have stated specifically "no amount of ozone is going to cause lasting
> benefits" in fact that whole paragraph is not something that gives credence
> to this forum. Although I do appreciate you sharing your methods and
> thoughts...
>
>  >
> > wanda85929
> > Sent: May-13-09 4:03 PM
> > To: oxyzone@yahoogroups.com <mailto:oxyzone%40yahoogroups.com>
> > Subject: [oxyzone] Re: Skin rash after ozone sauna (CFS patient)
> >
  >
> > Concentrate on healthing the gut/liver and use the ozone as a complimentry
> > protocol, but don't put torture yourself by over ozoning. This is truly
> the
> > time where slower is faster. And if you don't take the precautions to heal
> > the gut and liver, no amount of ozone is going to cause lasting benefits,
> > imho.
> >
>Hello Peter,

Yeah, but you took my comment out of context.  Above is what I said, and if you
noticed I ended with 'imho'.  For those that don't know, that means 'in my
humble opinion.'

If you just want to promote ozone, fine.  But if you want to promote health, it
often takes more than just ozone for serious illnesses.   At least that has been
my experience.  Perhaps others will find ozone is all they will need.

Gail

Gail, Paul,

What is a good frequency for doing liver flushes? Hulda Clark says to wait 3
weeks before doing the next liver flush. Is this a good frequency or can it be
faster?

Thanks,
Andre

> As Edy stated, rashes do occur even in normal saunas,
> could be an allergy to your own toxins coming from sweat glands, could be
> heat rash, could be..........

As I stated in my first post, I can use regular sauna's quite heavily without
any rashing. Actually, I have visited regular sauna's all my life and also have
my own regular sauna (finish style). The rashing only comes with ozone (while
both the sweating and the temperature is MUCH less).

>
> ...one thing I can say is DO NOT SCRACH!

Why is it so important not to scratch?

Does somebody know about ozone RHP in relation to the problems I described to
far?
For example, does ozone RHP clean the toxins from the liver/gut in a very fast
way? Is it possible to do ozone sauna without rashing after some ozone RHP
sessions? Do CFS symptoms (including the brain symptoms) improve substantially?

Thanks Paul for your info.

I will indeed need to do more liver cleanses and more rectal insufflations...

When you (or others) mention 'liver cleanse', do you mean the Hulda Clark way of
doing a liver cleanse (epsom salts/olive oil protocol)?

Do you know whether coffee enema's are worth while doing?

Thanks Gail for your info.

Many of the things you suggested I have already tried and I am still doing many
of them. I am not working anymore and have no real stress anymore in my life.

I have done about 7 or 8 liver flushes. I will do more...

There are 2 other important things which were diagnosed recently:

1)
Recently my doctor discovered a tropical parasitic infection 'Bilharzia' (also
known as Schistosomiasis), see: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schistosomiasis

I got a single dose medication to kill the parasite, but my symptoms (especially
the brain symptoms) are much worse now. According to my doctor, Bilharzia itself
is not in the brain. I have had this infection for 8 or 10 years as I have not
been to a tropical region that long. Bilharzia can slowly destroy organs,
because it is continually producing eggs, mostly in the liver or intestine.

2)
Recently an MRI Scan of my brain was made (by a german MRI centre). There were a
lot of lesions in my brain with a max diameter of 0.6cm. The german doctor told
me that this is absolutely abnormal for my age and that it has to be stopped. I
am now consulting a neurologist and I am waiting for more test results.

I feel so bad in my brain, it really drives me crazy. I find it very strange
that my brain symptoms got worse after killing the Bilharzia.

Sometimes I think that maybe trying ozone RHP (see http://www.ozonehospital.com
) will help me. But I am unsure whether I dare to put so much of my savings in
this therapy without guarantees. I can say that I am quite desperate....

Don't forget to do a series of liver cleanses to clear detox pathways
which can also reduce/eliminate the rashing. Many people with a
lifelong of accumulation need a dozen or more cleanses to get back in
swing. Combing this with rectal ozone which reaches the liver through
the portal vein is very powerful. In short time you can usually get
conditioned to handle the sauna without rashing, this was my
experience. Now I can do 1 hour full strength ozone saunas 5 times a
week without a rash.

Paul




On Wed, 13 May 2009 23:03:23 -0000, you wrote:

>--- In oxyzone@yahoogroups.com, "andre_ligthart" <ligtharta@...> wrote:
>>
>>
>> I suspect that I can get used to this therapy, but it takes a lot of
patience, a lot of bad skin for a long time and a lot of itching. I am not sure
if it is worth while trying.
>>
>> I am very curious if someone can help me interpreting this results.
>> Please share!
>>
>Hi Andre,
>
>I also have cfs and also had extensive rashing when doing ozone saunas.  It
took 4 years to get to the point of not rashing, and no I do not think it is
worth it.  For me ozone made me feel better but did not cure the cfs.  It does
give energy, tho.  Try and find something that will increase your energy without
causing the unbearable rahing.  You can do that by only doing a 5 minute sauna
once a week and increase when you no longer rash from that.  You can also
increase energy by drinking ozonated water.  You can also take activated
charcoal before doing a sauna.  It will greatly decrease the rashing.
>
>I do believe it is from the toxins.  Dr. Chenney (an cfs expert) says our liver
does not process the toxins like a regular person does, thus he says we are like
a canary trapped in a cage.  But you can do things to help the liver detox, and
that is what I would concentrate on.  Do some liver cleanses, take milk thistle.
It does seem like people who's detox pathways are compromised have more rashing
than those that don't have compromised pathways.
>
>Also, gluten products have a very negative effect on us.  Does horrible things
to our brains and gives one a very wasted feeling.  Some have recovered simply
from stopping all gluten products.  It does take about a year to heal the gut
from their effects, tho, so be patient.
>
>Concentrate on healthing the gut/liver and use the ozone as a complimentry
protocol, but don't put torture yourself by over ozoning.  This is truly the
time where slower is faster.  And if you don't take the precautions to heal the
gut and liver, no amount of ozone is going to cause lasting benefits, imho.
>
>Supplements that I have found to be very helpful are:
>
>Magnesium orotates as well as calcium, flaxseed oil, digestive enzymes, royal
jelly, b-12 injections (pills don't seems to do much of anything but the shots
work great), pycnogenol, vitamin C. A good mineral drink is also very
beneficial.  I use fluvic mineral complex.  It's great.
>
>People with cfs are usually deficient of nutrients due to the gut not working
correctly.  Also the adrenals will be effected when one is chronically sick, so
C, Bs, magesium, and sea salt are a must.  Some also have good results with raw
bovine adrenals.
>
>You can regain your health, but I have not found a cure.  It seems to be
something that can be managed with the above methods.  Don't ever go off your
supplements, avoid stresses, and know that you simply have to pace yourself so
as not to relapse.  Take note of the energy suckers in your life and avoid; or,
if possible, remove them from your life althogether.  You really are in a battle
for your health, and I have not found that people are understanding of just how
very sick you are.  If you do not take of yourself, you will find you will not
only be in a battle for your health, but also for your life!
>
>Do take care and remember, easy does it.
>
>Gail
>
>
>
>------------------------------------
>
>Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>

May I ask what you don't agree with about what I said?  Just curious.

Gail

-- In oxyzone@yahoogroups.com, Peter Professor Ozone Jovanovic <peter@...>
wrote:
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> wanda85929
> Sent: May-13-09 4:03 PM
> To: oxyzone@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [oxyzone] Re: Skin rash after ozone sauna (CFS patient)
>
>
>
>
>
> --- In oxyzone@yahoogroups.com <mailto:oxyzone%40yahoogroups.com> ,
> "andre_ligthart" <ligtharta@> wrote:
> >
> >
> > I suspect that I can get used to this therapy, but it takes a lot of
> patience, a lot of bad skin for a long time and a lot of itching. I am not
> sure if it is worth while trying.
> >
> > I am very curious if someone can help me interpreting this results.
> > Please share!
> >
> Hi Andre,
>
> I also have cfs and also had extensive rashing when doing ozone saunas. It
> took 4 years to get to the point of not rashing, and no I do not think it is
> worth it. For me ozone made me feel better but did not cure the cfs. It does
> give energy, tho. Try and find something that will increase your energy
> without causing the unbearable rahing. You can do that by only doing a 5
> minute sauna once a week and increase when you no longer rash from that. You
> can also increase energy by drinking ozonated water. You can also take
> activated charcoal before doing a sauna. It will greatly decrease the
> rashing.
>
> I do believe it is from the toxins. Dr. Chenney (an cfs expert) says our
> liver does not process the toxins like a regular person does, thus he says
> we are like a canary trapped in a cage. But you can do things to help the
> liver detox, and that is what I would concentrate on. Do some liver
> cleanses, take milk thistle. It does seem like people who's detox pathways
> are compromised have more rashing than those that don't have compromised
> pathways.
>
> Also, gluten products have a very negative effect on us. Does horrible
> things to our brains and gives one a very wasted feeling. Some have
> recovered simply from stopping all gluten products. It does take about a
> year to heal the gut from their effects, tho, so be patient.
>
> Concentrate on healthing the gut/liver and use the ozone as a complimentry
> protocol, but don't put torture yourself by over ozoning. This is truly the
> time where slower is faster. And if you don't take the precautions to heal
> the gut and liver, no amount of ozone is going to cause lasting benefits,
> imho.
>
> Supplements that I have found to be very helpful are:
>
> Magnesium orotates as well as calcium, flaxseed oil, digestive enzymes,
> royal jelly, b-12 injections (pills don't seems to do much of anything but
> the shots work great), pycnogenol, vitamin C. A good mineral drink is also
> very beneficial. I use fluvic mineral complex. It's great.
>
> People with cfs are usually deficient of nutrients due to the gut not
> working correctly. Also the adrenals will be effected when one is
> chronically sick, so C, Bs, magesium, and sea salt are a must. Some also
> have good results with raw bovine adrenals.
>
> You can regain your health, but I have not found a cure. It seems to be
> something that can be managed with the above methods. Don't ever go off your
> supplements, avoid stresses, and know that you simply have to pace yourself
> so as not to relapse. Take note of the energy suckers in your life and
> avoid; or, if possible, remove them from your life althogether. You really
> are in a battle for your health, and I have not found that people are
> understanding of just how very sick you are. If you do not take of yourself,
> you will find you will not only be in a battle for your health, but also for
> your life!
>
> Do take care and remember, easy does it.
>
> Gail
>
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--- In oxyzone@yahoogroups.com, "andre_ligthart" <ligtharta@...> wrote:
>
>
> I suspect that I can get used to this therapy, but it takes a lot of patience,
a lot of bad skin for a long time and a lot of itching. I am not sure if it is
worth while trying.
>
> I am very curious if someone can help me interpreting this results.
> Please share!
>
Hi Andre,

I also have cfs and also had extensive rashing when doing ozone saunas.  It took
4 years to get to the point of not rashing, and no I do not think it is worth
it.  For me ozone made me feel better but did not cure the cfs.  It does give
energy, tho.  Try and find something that will increase your energy without
causing the unbearable rahing.  You can do that by only doing a 5 minute sauna
once a week and increase when you no longer rash from that.  You can also
increase energy by drinking ozonated water.  You can also take activated
charcoal before doing a sauna.  It will greatly decrease the rashing.

I do believe it is from the toxins.  Dr. Chenney (an cfs expert) says our liver
does not process the toxins like a regular person does, thus he says we are like
a canary trapped in a cage.  But you can do things to help the liver detox, and
that is what I would concentrate on.  Do some liver cleanses, take milk thistle.
It does seem like people who's detox pathways are compromised have more rashing
than those that don't have compromised pathways.

Also, gluten products have a very negative effect on us.  Does horrible things
to our brains and gives one a very wasted feeling.  Some have recovered simply
from stopping all gluten products.  It does take about a year to heal the gut
from their effects, tho, so be patient.

Concentrate on healthing the gut/liver and use the ozone as a complimentry
protocol, but don't put torture yourself by over ozoning.  This is truly the
time where slower is faster.  And if you don't take the precautions to heal the
gut and liver, no amount of ozone is going to cause lasting benefits, imho.

Supplements that I have found to be very helpful are:

Magnesium orotates as well as calcium, flaxseed oil, digestive enzymes, royal
jelly, b-12 injections (pills don't seems to do much of anything but the shots
work great), pycnogenol, vitamin C. A good mineral drink is also very
beneficial.  I use fluvic mineral complex.  It's great.

People with cfs are usually deficient of nutrients due to the gut not working
correctly.  Also the adrenals will be effected when one is chronically sick, so
C, Bs, magesium, and sea salt are a must.  Some also have good results with raw
bovine adrenals.

You can regain your health, but I have not found a cure.  It seems to be
something that can be managed with the above methods.  Don't ever go off your
supplements, avoid stresses, and know that you simply have to pace yourself so
as not to relapse.  Take note of the energy suckers in your life and avoid; or,
if possible, remove them from your life althogether.  You really are in a battle
for your health, and I have not found that people are understanding of just how
very sick you are.  If you do not take of yourself, you will find you will not
only be in a battle for your health, but also for your life!

Do take care and remember, easy does it.

Gail

----- Original Message -----

From: andre_ligthart

To: oxyzone@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Wednesday, May 13, 2009 3:33 PM

Subject: [oxyzone] Skin rash after ozone sauna (CFS patient)

Hello!

A few months ago I posted about my skin rashes after ozone sauna therapy. At that time I was using a Chinese sauna tent which I did not trust because of chemicals.

Recently I have build my own ozone steam sauna cabinet completely made of glass and silicon.

I started ozone sauna therapy with just a few minutes per session. I increased the session time to about 12 minutes. I used 1.5 liter oxygen/min, ozone about about 20 gamma. I got skin rashes especially on the back, the arms, the tummy, the shoulders, the hands. See pictures here:

http://members.quicknet.nl/andre.ligthart/ozone/ozone.html

There was a LOT of itching and it took a few days before the itching subsided after each session. I kept 2 or 3 days rest between ozone sessions (to let the skin heal somewhat).

I am now sure that the skin rashes are not caused by chemicals in the materials.

What I did notice is SOME improvement in my symptoms and that's the reason that I kept on trying and let my skin look so bad. My symptoms are extreme fatigue, a lot of brain problems (impaired cognitive functioning, slowed procssing speeds, bad concentration, awkward feeling the brain and more), dry skin and constipation. My symptoms (especially the brain symptoms) are so bad, that is drives me crazy because I suffer all day ;-(

Please help me if you know or suspect what this skin reaction is about...

The skin rashes are not a result of the 'heat' of the steam, because I have done a lot of regular sauna therapy with a lot of sweating and temperatures of over 100 degrees celcius without any skin rashes. I have not used chemical soaps for years, so there cannot be a lot of 'dirt' or 'chemicals' in the skin.

Is it possible that my skin reaction is expressing some infection, like a viral infection? Is it possible that my skin is just allergic to ozone?

I suspect that I can get used to this therapy, but it takes a lot of patience, a lot of bad skin for a long time and a lot of itching. I am not sure if it is worth while trying.

I am very curious if someone can help me interpreting this results.
Please share!

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Hello!

A few months ago I posted about my skin rashes after ozone sauna therapy. At
that time I was using a Chinese sauna tent which I did not trust because of
chemicals.

Recently I have build my own ozone steam sauna cabinet completely made of glass
and silicon.

I started ozone sauna therapy with just a few minutes per session. I increased
the session time to about 12 minutes. I used 1.5 liter oxygen/min, ozone about
about 20 gamma. I got skin rashes especially on the back, the arms, the tummy,
the shoulders, the hands. See pictures here:

http://members.quicknet.nl/andre.ligthart/ozone/ozone.html

There was a LOT of itching and it took a few days before the itching subsided
after each session. I kept 2 or 3 days rest between ozone sessions (to let the
skin heal somewhat).

I am now sure that the skin rashes are not caused by chemicals in the materials.

What I did notice is SOME improvement in my symptoms and that's the reason that
I kept on trying and let my skin look so bad. My symptoms are extreme fatigue, a
lot of brain problems (impaired cognitive functioning, slowed procssing speeds,
bad concentration, awkward feeling the brain and more), dry skin and
constipation. My symptoms (especially the brain symptoms) are so bad, that is
drives me crazy because I suffer all day ;-(

Please help me if you know or suspect what this skin reaction is about...

The skin rashes are not a result of the 'heat' of the steam, because I have done
a lot of regular sauna therapy with a lot of sweating and temperatures of over
100 degrees celcius without any skin rashes. I have not used chemical soaps for
years, so there cannot be a lot of 'dirt' or 'chemicals' in the skin.

Is it possible that my skin reaction is expressing some infection, like a viral
infection? Is it possible that my skin is just allergic to ozone?

I suspect that I can get used to this therapy, but it takes a lot of patience, a
lot of bad skin for a long time and a lot of itching. I am not sure if it is
worth while trying.

I am very curious if someone can help me interpreting this results.
Please share!