And what is biotherapy?
Arrow

In oxyzone@yahoogroups.com, "Peter (Professor Ozone) Jovanovic" <peter@...>
wrote:
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> My pleasure....
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> They can be used if kept clean and made of silicone. I have had a person use
> one in the States and we use them in Malaysia, however we have switched to
> doing what we need with the use of biotherapy. I would assume plastic would
> disintegrate at the beginning however i do not think it would be an issue
> inside the body as the ozone has converted by then. Having said that, I
> would avoid it if not ozone resistant.
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> May God Bless You And Keep You Well
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> From: oxyzone@yahoogroups.com [mailto:oxyzone@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
> Arrow
> Sent: July-07-09 1:01 PM
> To: oxyzone@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [oxyzone] Re: direct IV
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> Thank You, Peter for your sane reply to this fear mongering.
>
> Technique is everything when doing IV work. My biggest concern with
> injection of ozone
> would be if someone were using a pic or central line. I am wondering if you
> think it is OK to use these kind of lines for direct IV ozone application.
> One thought I had, since these lines are suppose to stay in place for up to
> 3 months, would the ozone erode the catheter that is in the vein? Sometimes
> these catheters are quite long, going from the antecubital insert site, or
> there abouts, almost all the way to the heart. This would worry me. Have you
> had experience using ozone with these lines?
> thanks,
> Arrow
>
> -- In oxyzone@yahoogroups.com <mailto:oxyzone%40yahoogroups.com> , Peter
> Professor Ozone Jovanovic <peter@> wrote:
> >
> > Dear all:
> >
> > Time for me to say something about this...
> >
> > It is my opinion that Edy was sharing a story and not saying that it is ok
> > to inject air. Merely pointing out what happened so that those of you that
> > believe ozone IV can create an emboli are misguided due to the lack of
> > nitrogen. Please as always read as much as you can to be educated. What I
> > want to say is that there are many references, which I have included some
> > and it is up to all of you what you believe or interpret from what is
> > stated. As in all cases do not do what others tell you, research and only
> do
> > what you are comfortable with and accept responsibility for it.
> >
> > For the record, in my time with many thousands of those treated in our
> > clinics and hospitals, I have never come across one person that suffered
> > from an embolism, although we have always used pure oxygen and medical
> ozone
> > units.
> >
> >
> > http://www.merck.com/mmhe/sec04/ch046/ch046a.html
> >
> > http://www.vascularweb.org/patients/NorthPoint/Pulmonary_Embolism.html
> >
> > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Air_embolism
> >
> > http://www.impactednurse.com/?p=303
> >
> > http://www.politedissent.com/archives/1873
> >
> >
> http://www.secondopinionnewsletter.com/pages.aspx/28/Hydrogen%20Peroxide%20D
> > oesn%27t%20Kill%20Patients,%20Drugs%20Do!/
> >
> > http://www.nhs.uk/conditions/embolism/Pages/Introduction.aspx
> > I'm a vet, and I can say that some of the ideas people have suggested
> would
> > only work with a very big needle or if you were very lucky.
> > We sometimes inject euthenasia solution into the heart to euthenase
> animals
> > (under unusual circumstances). The actual needle going in does not cause
> > death, only the chemical, which is an overdose of anaesthetic. So you
> could
> > cause death by injecting something through the needle into the heart, if
> it
> > was a hypodermic, but not with the needle itself, unless you had dipped it
> > in a toxin of some kind beforehand. Also, it can be quite hard to hit the
> > heart even if you have been trained to do so, so your torturer might not
> > manage.
> > An air embolus in a vein is not always fatal, it depends where it ends up.
> > Medics (human and veterinary) try to avoid running air bubbles through
> > drips, but it does sometimes happen, and usually it doesn't cause a
> problem.
> > You could not easily kill someone by sticking a needle into an artery. For
> > one thing, arteries have thick rubbery walls and are not that easy to
> > pierce: they tend to slip off the needle. For another, blood clots fast,
> and
> > you would need a big hole for blood to flow out faster than the clot
> blocked
> > it for long enough for the person to bleed out and die. More likely, you'd
> > just end up with a big painful bruise. The same is true of puncturing a
> > vein.
> > I think the best method would be via the brain, as someone else said. This
> > is basically what they do when they pith frogs for physiology experiments
> > (or used to). You could try sticking the needle up through the hard
> palate,
> > in through the nose or back of the eye socket, or perhaps through an ear,
> > but in all cases you would need a big, strong needle and a hammer. A
> skewer
> > might work better. I don't think many of these would be instant. Also bear
> > in mind that the brain itself does not feel pain because it has no pain
> > receptors, so while the damage on the way through the skull would be
> > excruciating, the brain bit wouldn't hurt.
> > Or, if you wanted to do it very slowly, you could stick the needle through
> > their abdomen and into their guts a few times (not all that easy either:
> > guts tend to slip out of the way). Then intestinal bacteria would leak
> into
> > the abdomen and they'd get peritonitis, become very ill, and die: but it
> > would take days and days, and not be guaranteed.
> > Yuck.
> > Murder by air embolism is quite rare, despite the strong chances of a
> > murderer escaping scot free in such cases. This is because such a
> technique
> > requires great skill. Not everyone can handle a syringe, let alone
> puncture
> > a vein successfully with it. I have a nagging fear that such type of
> murder
> > might be very common among the drug addicts of our country. They are quite
> > suited for committing such types of murder. They can handle syringes very
> > deftly (almost as deftly as doctors, as they have to inject the drugs
> > through the syringe all the time), and they need to do away with people
> > fairly commonly.
> > In my whole life, I have encountered just one case of murder by air
> embolism
> > and that too when I was in Edinburgh. The case was of a doctor husband who
> > had got tired of his nagging wife. The husband was carrying on an affair
> > with one of his female patients and his wife had got hint of that. She was
> > having fits of faintness for quite sometime. So one day the doctor filled
> up
> > a large syringe with air and injected air into her veins under the pretext
> > that he was giving her some drug. About 200 c.c. of air is required to
> kill
> > a person by air embolism. I do not know how he managed to inject that much
> > amount through a syringe. Even a commonly used large syringe takes in
> about
> > 20 c.c. of air only. He might have used a bigger syringe or may be he
> > repeatedly pushed the air inside by removing the piston from the syringe
> > again and again. Well, the important thing is that he did use the air for
> > committing the murder. He would have gone scot free, but when I asked one
> of
> > the witnesses as to what were the symptoms of the lady when she was dying,
> I
> > was told that she was gasping for air. This immediately alerted me. This
> is
> > a symptom of air embolism as we have already seen. Coupled with this was
> the
> > fact that her husband was a doctor. He was ideally suited for committing
> > such a type of act. So before opening the body, I decided to take a
> > radiograph (X-ray) of the body. Sure enough the bubbles of air could be
> seen
> > in the deceased woman's pulmonary arteries. Then I looked at the dead
> > woman's forearms. They showed marks of injection. Immediately I alerted
> the
> > Lothian and Borders Police (the police force that mans the city of
> > Edinburgh). A detailed interrogation was done and sure enough the doctor
> > admitted his guilt. This was yet another victory of Forensic Medicine.
> >
> > So we're left to wonder once again, can a shot of air really kill someone?
>
> > The Real Story: Possibly, but only a real tool would test it out.
> > Bubbles of air in the circulating blood can cause death or brain damage,
> if
> > the air bubble cuts off the blood supply to your brain.
> > However, according to Dr. Barry Wolcott MD, FACP, senior vice president of
> > clinical affairs for WebMD <http://www.webmd.com> Health, "In general, the
> > small amount of air that can be introduced by a typical syringe is not
> large
> > enough to cause a fatal air embolism (an air embolism is similar to a
> blood
> > clot)."
> > Dr. Wolcott explained, "the large amounts of air that can quickly enter
> > through a large plastic catheter which is open to the air - like those
> > placed in the neck or under the collarbone during resuscitations in
> > hospitals and at accident scenes - can be fatal, especially if the patient
> > inhales forcefully while the catheter is open to the air."
> >
> >
> > May God Bless You And Keep You Well
> >
> > Peter (Professor Ozone) Jovanovic
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> little
> > way past them into the impossible."
> > Arthur C. Clarke
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> >
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> thereof.
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> > intended recipient(s). If you have received this communication by error,
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> > have received it by means of interception, please delete the email and
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> > From: oxyzone@yahoogroups.com <mailto:oxyzone%40yahoogroups.com>
> [mailto:oxyzone@yahoogroups.com <mailto:oxyzone%40yahoogroups.com> ] On
> Behalf Of
> > DOCTOR HOWARD ROBINS
> > Sent: May-19-09 6:43 AM
> > To: oxyzone@yahoogroups.com <mailto:oxyzone%40yahoogroups.com>
> > Subject: Re: [oxyzone] Re: direct IV
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Once again, IT IS EXTREMELY DANGEROUS TO GET TO GET "AIR" IN YOUR BLOOD.
> THE
> > NITROGEN CAN AGGLUTINATE (FORM A BIG BUBBLE) AND KILL YOU. IT CAN KILL
> YOU.
> > ONLY AN INSANE PERSON WOULD TAKE THIS RISK. I DON'T CARE HOW MANY TIMES
> YOU
> > SURVIVE THIS MISTAKE, IT'S WRONG TO DO IT AND IT'S WRONG TO ADVISE ANYONE
> > THAT "IT'S O.K.".
> >
> > It's talk like this that makes me feel that maybe, just maybe, Dr Bocci is
> > correct about Direct Iv. ONly trained medical professionals should ever do
> > it.
> >
> > PLEASE BE CAREFUL, AS SMOKEY THE BEAR ONCE SAID "THE LIFE YOU SAVE MAY BE
> > YOUR OWN".
> >
> > DR HOWARD ROBINS
> >
> > --- On Tue, 5/19/09, Arrow <arrowwind09@> wrote:
> >
> > From: Arrow <arrowwind09@>
> > Subject: [oxyzone] Re: direct IV
> > To: oxyzone@yahoogroups.com <mailto:oxyzone%40yahoogroups.com>
> > Date: Tuesday, May 19, 2009, 1:45 AM
> > And even in administering large dosages of air the emboli can be overcome
> by
> > laying on a specific side. As the heart pumps eventually the air breaks up
> > and dissipates ....I just don't remember which side you are suppose to lay
> > on. Anyone? This is what they do in the hospital if it should occur... in
> > many many years of nursing work I have never seen it.
> >
> > In oxyzone@yahoogroups .com, "edyrayfield@ ..." <edyrayfield@ ...> wrote:
> > >
> > > Hello,
> > >
> > > I feel compelled to write about my experience with doing direct IV just
> to
> > calm any fears some of you may have. I have only done it 5 times now, and
> > have probably made many mistakes, but the one I'm going to talk about here
> > is this. On my third application I accidentally forgot to turn on the
> > regulator, I have since put up a procedure list to check off. So I filled
> > the syringe with 10cc's of ambient air. I pushed it in and thought
> something
> > was funny as the vein got very large. As I was turning everything off I
> saw
> > what I had done and got a bit fearful from hearing all the talk of
> > embolisms. I waited an hour or so and nothing, absolutely nothing
> happened.
> > So I investigated a few pathologists sites and found out that to cause an
> > embolism one must inject at least 200 cc's of air. Which of course there
> > aren't even syringes that large. I would never do that again, but if it
> were
> > to happen I wouldn't have the fear I did that day. I hope this helps
> anyone
> > having trepidations about this useful form of using ozone in certain
> > situations.
> > >
> > > Edy
> > >
> >
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