You make my points for me, esp re: the differences between our overall approach.
You BELIEVE that separating out point sources is critically important in
providing
neurofeedback training. That is a BELIEF. You could actually TEST that belief
by simply
performing a "head to head" comparison of your guided approach and the default,
recommended way of working in NeuroCARE. It would be an easy comparison to
setup as
we have very competent practitioners there in Holland who could be involved.
Why not do that and actually settle it?
Single point localization CAN be derived using JTFA-based techniques alone. The
overall
methodology to do so is well known and is frequently employed in localizing
earthquake
epicenters as well as oil pipeline failure points from a distance with only two
sources. In
many cases only one source is needed, depending on the kind of signal-base
involved.
But that all begs the question because it returns us to YOUR core BELIEF: viz,
that
localization is CRITICALLY important. Our users point out everyday with their
results that
such a BELIEF is unwarranted.
Different etiologies may -- or may NOT -- necessitate different treatments and
that also
goes to the issue of whether or not neurofeedback is inherently a treatment.
Meditation
has been used successfully in a number of different contexts that others have
seen as
being like a "treatment" because of reported symptom remediation. This includes
blood
pressure changes, respiratory improvement, etc. Similarly aerobic exercise is
well known
for its salutory effects on cardio-vascular status as well as a variety of
diagnosable
conditions. That doesn't make either meditation or aerobic exercise a medical
treatment -
- even when they have clear, demonstrable health-related outcomes. And those
outcomes "cross over" diagnostic groupings.
So the BELIEF that different etiologies or different phenomenologies REQUIRE
different
approaches is simply not so. In many cases for many diagnoses these kinds of
distinctions
ARE critically important but that doesn't mean that the distinctions are always
and
everywhere critically important.
If you're interested in setting up a collaborative "head to head" kind of study
please let me
know. I'd be happy to facilitate that. That has been my position all along and
it remains
my position today. It also remains interesting that no one has agreed to
actually do such a
study collaboratively -- esp not those who have continued to criticize me over
the years.
Val, When we are talking about disorders such as ADHD there are different causes of ADHD, which is evidenced by the medication response. In QEEG guided NF that...
Martijn: You make my points for me, esp re: the differences between our overall approach. You BELIEVE that separating out point sources is critically important...
Val, I think you are reversing some things. I don't think it is wise to discuss this at length over the list and bore other people with our differnce in...
Martijn: Again, this is a place where we disagree and where, IMO, you are specifically misstating some things. To say that another way, it's not me who's got...
Martijn we invited you to a workshop which was especially organised for 'traditional" trainers like you, that have a lot of questionable and incorrect negative...
Martin Said ". I don't think it is wise to discuss this at length over the list and bore other people with our differnce in viewpoint" Martin I am not bored...
Being a layperson, I can only say that I wish there were consensus on these matters. I have heard it all. One site vs. Many. So and so is a genius, no, he...
John: You and me -- and a whole bunch of other people -- wish exactly the same thing. I've been actively re-involved in the field of neurofeedback for over 18...
John Hooper, You are a breath of fresh and honest air in an atmosphere that frequently is over-heated and sometimes downright nasty. I wish you the very...
John, Thanks for your constructive post! I would indeed prefer not to get into genius, quacks etc. but rather have a content based conversation, to further all...
Martijn: So does that mean that you want to actually do a joint, "head-to-head" comparison study? I still haven't heard you say a simple yes to that. val...
Ineke, You know very well what the reasons were for that. To fill in the missing information here: - we had an initial very constructive meeting with...
In this field, I think that any explanation for how anything works could be argued infinitely. Some very respectable neurologists have called EEG nothing but...
Hi, The useful facts come from experimentation. hmm. I use neurocare in an office where I have very very happy clients and a waiting list. why would I care...
I wasn't suggesting that practitioners experiment. If you have something that works consistently, there is no need to change what you are doing. Research...
and I am not suggesting that val experiments. I AM suggesting that he get back to work on 2.0 and autonav :-), right after he gets over being bossed around:-)....
Meg et al: I've never not been working on v2 and, esp AutoNav. And I also don't really get "bossed around", but I suspect that's pretty obvious to most...
Meg et al: I've never not been working on v2 and, esp AutoNav. And I also don't really get "bossed around", but I suspect that's pretty obvious to most...
BTW I was sitting next to a government worker (on a long plane ride) who was part of a group who set government regulation policies re insurance. He studied...
Martijn: Actually it was you and those in your group that refused to collaborate and persisted for two years in spreading lies about me and NeuroCARE. That...
Hi Martijn: I can't help but respond to this bit: - I did look at the results from your practice but they were not compared to anything so it was very...
Hi Martijn et al Martijin You said "So when can we continue based on CONTENT? Why can't anyone explain how NCP really works or are we all not smart enough to...
Hi John, Thank you for your cogent response. It definitely allows us to shift to a "meta-understanding" of the difficulties traditional and non-traditional EEG...
my fingers crossed too. Meg ... mailbox ... brain and ... it ... underlying ... process ... Sue Brown ... trained ... the ... times ... think ... NLD as ... ...
That's a very exciting idea, bringing NDS information to this forum. Pertinent to our work and to so many systems we are part of, internally, externally,...
Hi John, I am really glad you chose to post here. We truly welcome diversity of any sort. The only thing we would moderate here (apart from mass advertising),...
Meg wrote in response to reproduceable and validated eficcacy issues of neurofeedback... The useful facts come from experimentation. Hmm. I use neurocare in an...