Tom:

I would love to see any actual data you have showing that using LENS
and Wild Divine is as good as, let alone more useful, than using
NeuroCARE in its recommended default way. My read of all of the data
that I have seen shows that, at best, that combination is only as
effective/efficient, but has a far higher side effect profile and
requires far more assessment (in order to ascertain how, where and
when to use LENS). That means, as far as I understand it, that even
if the same number of sessions was used, the cost is actually higher
to clients, when using LENS alone or in combination with Wild Divine.

val

--- In neurofeedcommunity@yahoogroups.com, Thomas Brod <tbrod@...>
wrote:
>
> Beyond the obvious comment on use of NeuroCare ZIN system to help
> stabilize your reactivity (I've had moderate success with a
patient,
> now in her 70's, whose physiologic pattern was engrained from age
5
> when she began performing for large audiences as a musical
prodigy), I
> add this thought:
>
> Wild Divine has a new version called Healing Rhythms. It is of
course
> all Biofeedback. Healing Rhythms is essentially a compilation of
> some of the best exercises in the first two editions without the
> Journey=game structure. Really superb. As in the original
versions,
> it feedsback SCL and Heart Rate Variability (HRV). In my office
we
> often use it at the end of a LENS session for kids and adults who
are
> anxious; also for siblings and friends (and parents) who come along-
-
> they recognize they are getting something special when we use it.
> It's been a great success!
>
> Thomas M Brod MD
> 12304 Santa Monica BLvd #210
> Los Angeles CA 90025
> 310.207-3337
> http://tbrod.bol.ucla.edu
>
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: hooper_jw
> > To: neurofeedcommunity@yahoogroups.com
> > Sent: Sunday, March 23, 2008 2:28 AM
> > Subject: [neurofeedcommunity] my GSR (SCL) cannot be trained
> >
> > OK, so this isn't strictly a NF question, but apparently my posts
> > will never be released from moderation on the biofeedback list.
> >
> > My first encounter with GSR training was using a little device
from
> > Radio Shack that gave audio feedback. As I relaxed, the tone would
> > go down, down, down, and then suddenly it would just soar. It
would
> > go much higher than where I started, sometimes out of the range of
> > human hearing.
> >
> > Here I am 15 years later, and I buy the Wild Divine game -- same
> > story. Most of my anxiety problems were solved by eliminating all
> > caffeine a few year back. I bought the Wisdom Quest game and
> > although I'm a little better, my GSR, which they call SCL, still
> > soars if I so much as sigh. It sometimes soars for no reason.
> > Anytime I get near a goal in the game, it races away, hitting the
> > highest levels.
> >
> > Only if I close my eyes and watch my breath very closely can I
pass
> > the tests that are dependent on being calm. Playing the game
> > actually makes my anxiety much worse.
> >
> > I have never been able to understand why I can't control GSR, or
> > meditate for that matter. Maybe someone here can make sense of
this.
> >
> > Anyway, my son will be having some NF done with the NeuroCare
> > system. He is completely unmotivated, doesn't do his schoolwork,
and
> > answers "I don't know" to almost any question you ask him. I'm
> > pretty sure it isn't defiance.
> >
> > I have two Procomp+ units and Multitrace, but I don't really know
how
> > to use them unfortunately. Maybe I could sell one and get
something
> > I can use.
> >
> > Cheers,
> >
> > John Hooper
> >
> >
> >
> > On Mar 23, 2008, at 6:05 AM, PENNYG wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >> I would like to be copied on any responses to this
question..Penny
> >> Goldberg, LCSW, BCD
> >
> > .
> >
> >
>