John:

I'm glad to be of help. We do have NeruoCAREmote, which is
the "home" version of NeuroCARE Pro. There is a description of it on
our website:

www.zengar.com

While it is a limited version of NeuroCARE the limitation really is
that it is "programmed" by the involved practitioner. This means
that Dr. Rosenbaum would be directing the training that was done at
home and this would work as an extension of what he does in the
office.

Obviously I don't know your son so I really can't comment
specifically on what might be best for him or your overall situation
but we do have many practioners – including Dr. Rosenbaum – who
integrate home-based training using NeuroCAREmote with what is done
in the office. I've known Dr. Rosenbaum for a number of years and he
is an outstanding practitioner.

If I can be of any further help I would be happy to do so.

All the best.

val
--- In neurofeedcommunity@yahoogroups.com, "JWH" <jwhooper@...> wrote:
>
> Val:
>
>
>
> I just met Dr. Rosenbaum in Ann Arbor last Thursday. Before that,
I didn't
> even know that NeuroCARE worked on the Procomp. I worked on an
addition to
> MultiTrace called MultiGames, so I have the equipment, and the
MultiTrace
> software - that is my little world of what I know. Dr. Rosenbaum
has just
> about every system you can imagine, but he pretty much only uses
NeuroCARE
> now, a nice endorsement.
>
>
>
> He did mention that it isn't the traditional effort-centric system
of
> "training" neurofeedback. I would love to try it, but for now I
want them
> to concentrate on my son. This Thursday they will do a "mini-Q"
first. Dr.
> Rosenbaum said he might do the full QEEG as well, but probably
not. He
> mentioned that he does have a trainer that he could send home with
us, but
> that the software on the trainer was much more limited than what he
has in
> the office, so he wasn't sure if it was worth the effort.
>
>
>
> I told him that I would ask you. My son sometimes lies in bed all
day,
> staring at nothing. It scares me. I don't want him to have one
session a
> week. At first I thought that maybe I could do the same kind of
protocol in
> MultiTrace, but he said that he doubted that was possible.
>
>
>
> Thanks for responding,
>
>
>
> John
>
>
>
> _____
>
> From: neurofeedcommunity@yahoogroups.com
> [mailto:neurofeedcommunity@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Val Brown
> Sent: Sunday, March 23, 2008 11:54 AM
> To: neurofeedcommunity@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [neurofeedcommunity] Re: my GSR (SCL) cannot be trained
>
>
>
> John:
>
> Have you actually tried using NeuroCARE with the equipment that you
> have? And, if so, what version of NeuroCARE did you use and what
> response did you notice?
>
> I used to teach BCIA certification courses for both traditional
> measures (like GSR/EDR/SCL, TEMP, BVP, EMG, etc, etc) but stopped
> doing so -- and stopped using those modalities -- when I found that
> neurofeedback could accomplish the same outcomes, with less effort,
> less efforting and less equipment.
>
> GSR in particular is quite sensitive to "efforting" and the effort
> to "control" it can involve quite a bit of "efforting" on the part
of
> the trainee.
>
> val
>
> --- In neurofeedcommunity@ <mailto:neurofeedcommunity%
40yahoogroups.com>
> yahoogroups.com, "PENNYG" <goldpenny@>
> wrote:
> >
> > I would like to be copied on any responses to this
question..Penny
> Goldberg, LCSW, BCD
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: hooper_jw
> > To: neurofeedcommunity@ <mailto:neurofeedcommunity%
40yahoogroups.com>
> yahoogroups.com
> > Sent: Sunday, March 23, 2008 2:28 AM
> > Subject: [neurofeedcommunity] my GSR (SCL) cannot be trained
> >
> >
> > OK, so this isn't strictly a NF question, but apparently my posts
> > will never be released from moderation on the biofeedback list.
> >
> > My first encounter with GSR training was using a little device
> from
> > Radio Shack that gave audio feedback. As I relaxed, the tone
> would
> > go down, down, down, and then suddenly it would just soar. It
> would
> > go much higher than where I started, sometimes out of the range
> of
> > human hearing.
> >
> > Here I am 15 years later, and I buy the Wild Divine game -- same
> > story. Most of my anxiety problems were solved by eliminating all
> > caffeine a few year back. I bought the Wisdom Quest game and
> > although I'm a little better, my GSR, which they call SCL, still
> > soars if I so much as sigh. It sometimes soars for no reason.
> > Anytime I get near a goal in the game, it races away, hitting the
> > highest levels.
> >
> > Only if I close my eyes and watch my breath very closely can I
> pass
> > the tests that are dependent on being calm. Playing the game
> > actually makes my anxiety much worse.
> >
> > I have never been able to understand why I can't control GSR, or
> > meditate for that matter. Maybe someone here can make sense of
> this.
> >
> > Anyway, my son will be having some NF done with the NeuroCare
> > system. He is completely unmotivated, doesn't do his schoolwork,
> and
> > answers "I don't know" to almost any question you ask him. I'm
> > pretty sure it isn't defiance.
> >
> > I have two Procomp+ units and Multitrace, but I don't really know
> how
> > to use them unfortunately. Maybe I could sell one and get
> something
> > I can use.
> >
> > Cheers,
> >
> > John Hooper
> >
>