RE: [neurofeedcommunity] Re: my GSR (SCL) cannot be trained
Val:
I just met Dr. Rosenbaum in Ann Arbor last
Thursday. Before that, I didn’t even know that NeuroCARE worked on
the Procomp. I worked on an addition to MultiTrace called MultiGames, so
I have the equipment, and the MultiTrace software – that is my little
world of what I know. Dr. Rosenbaum has just about every system you can
imagine, but he pretty much only uses NeuroCARE now, a nice endorsement.
He did mention that it isn’t the
traditional effort-centric system of “training” neurofeedback.
I would love to try it, but for now I want them to concentrate on my son.
This Thursday they will do a “mini-Q” first. Dr. Rosenbaum
said he might do the full QEEG as well, but probably not. He mentioned
that he does have a trainer that he could send home with us, but that the
software on the trainer was much more limited than what he has in the office,
so he wasn’t sure if it was worth the effort.
I told him that I would ask you. My
son sometimes lies in bed all day, staring at nothing. It scares
me. I don’t want him to have one session a week. At first I
thought that maybe I could do the same kind of protocol in MultiTrace, but he
said that he doubted that was possible.
Thanks for responding,
John
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my GSR (SCL) cannot be trained
John:
Have you actually tried using NeuroCARE with the equipment that you
have? And, if so, what version of NeuroCARE did you use and what
response did you notice?
I used to teach BCIA certification courses for both traditional
measures (like GSR/EDR/SCL, TEMP, BVP, EMG, etc, etc) but stopped
doing so -- and stopped using those modalities -- when I found that
neurofeedback could accomplish the same outcomes, with less effort,
less efforting and less equipment.
GSR in particular is quite sensitive to "efforting" and the effort
to "control" it can involve quite a bit of "efforting" on
the part of
the trainee.
val
--- In neurofeedcommunity@yahoogroups.com,
"PENNYG" <goldpenny@...>
wrote:
>
> I would like to be copied on any responses to this question..Penny
Goldberg, LCSW, BCD
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: hooper_jw
> To: neurofeedcommunity@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Sunday, March 23, 2008 2:28 AM
> Subject: [neurofeedcommunity] my GSR (SCL) cannot be trained
>
>
> OK, so this isn't strictly a NF question, but apparently my posts
> will never be released from moderation on the biofeedback list.
>
> My first encounter with GSR training was using a little device
from
> Radio Shack that gave audio feedback. As I relaxed, the tone
would
> go down, down, down, and then suddenly it would just soar. It
would
> go much higher than where I started, sometimes out of the range
of
> human hearing.
>
> Here I am 15 years later, and I buy the Wild Divine game -- same
> story. Most of my anxiety problems were solved by eliminating all
> caffeine a few year back. I bought the Wisdom Quest game and
> although I'm a little better, my GSR, which they call SCL, still
> soars if I so much as sigh. It sometimes soars for no reason.
> Anytime I get near a goal in the game, it races away, hitting the
> highest levels.
>
> Only if I close my eyes and watch my breath very closely can I
pass
> the tests that are dependent on being calm. Playing the game
> actually makes my anxiety much worse.
>
> I have never been able to understand why I can't control GSR, or
> meditate for that matter. Maybe someone here can make sense of
this.
>
> Anyway, my son will be having some NF done with the NeuroCare
> system. He is completely unmotivated, doesn't do his schoolwork,
and
> answers "I don't know" to almost any question you ask him. I'm
> pretty sure it isn't defiance.
>
> I have two Procomp+ units and Multitrace, but I don't really know
how
> to use them unfortunately. Maybe I could sell one and get
something
> I can use.
>
> Cheers,
>
> John Hooper
>
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