Subject: [neurofeedcommunity] my GSR (SCL) cannot be trained
OK, so this isn't strictly a NF question, but apparently my posts will never be released from moderation on the biofeedback list.
My first encounter with GSR training was using a little device from Radio Shack that gave audio feedback. As I relaxed, the tone would go down, down, down, and then suddenly it would just soar. It would go much higher than where I started, sometimes out of the range of human hearing.
Here I am 15 years later, and I buy the Wild Divine game -- same story. Most of my anxiety problems were solved by eliminating all caffeine a few year back. I bought the Wisdom Quest game and although I'm a little better, my GSR, which they call SCL, still soars if I so much as sigh. It sometimes soars for no reason. Anytime I get near a goal in the game, it races away, hitting the highest levels.
Only if I close my eyes and watch my breath very closely can I pass the tests that are dependent on being calm. Playing the game actually makes my anxiety much worse.
I have never been able to understand why I can't control GSR, or meditate for that matter. Maybe someone here can make sense of this.
Anyway, my son will be having some NF done with the NeuroCare system. He is completely unmotivated, doesn't do his schoolwork, and answers "I don't know" to almost any question you ask him. I'm pretty sure it isn't defiance.
I have two Procomp+ units and Multitrace, but I don't really know how to use them unfortunately. Maybe I could sell one and get something I can use.
OK, so this isn't strictly a NF question, but apparently my posts will never be released from moderation on the biofeedback list. My first encounter with GSR...
I would like to be copied on any responses to this question..Penny Goldberg, LCSW, BCD ... From: hooper_jw To: neurofeedcommunity@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday,...
John: Have you actually tried using NeuroCARE with the equipment that you have? And, if so, what version of NeuroCARE did you use and what response did you...
Val: I just met Dr. Rosenbaum in Ann Arbor last Thursday. Before that, I didn't even know that NeuroCARE worked on the Procomp. I worked on an addition to ...
Beyond the obvious comment on use of NeuroCare ZIN system to help stabilize your reactivity (I've had moderate success with a patient, now in her 70's, whose...
Tom: I would love to see any actual data you have showing that using LENS and Wild Divine is as good as, let alone more useful, than using NeuroCARE in its...
Val, I would love to see data as well showing that NeuroCARE is more effective as well. Any published data on the efficacy of NeuroCARE? Kind regards, Martijn...
Martijn: I'm not talking about published data only or even mostly. I'm talking about individuals who have, over the years, tried to prove that NeuroCARE (for...
Martijn: I'm not talking about published data only or even mostly. I'm talking about individuals who have, over the years, tried to prove that NeuroCARE (for...
Val, We are continuously in the process of publishing our work. On www.brainclinics.com <http://www.brainclinics.com/> under literature you will find an...
Martijn: I'm sure you are continually publishing what you're doing -- that's your primary area of interest. And, if I'm not mistaken, what your current paper...
All of this is wonderful, except it does not fit the non-linear dynamical paradigm at all. Doing such up-front analyses does not make sense. It's like...
Val, When we are talking about disorders such as ADHD there are different causes of ADHD, which is evidenced by the medication response. In QEEG guided NF that...
Martijn: You make my points for me, esp re: the differences between our overall approach. You BELIEVE that separating out point sources is critically important...
Val, I think you are reversing some things. I don't think it is wise to discuss this at length over the list and bore other people with our differnce in...
Martijn: Again, this is a place where we disagree and where, IMO, you are specifically misstating some things. To say that another way, it's not me who's got...
Martijn we invited you to a workshop which was especially organised for 'traditional" trainers like you, that have a lot of questionable and incorrect negative...
Martin Said ". I don't think it is wise to discuss this at length over the list and bore other people with our differnce in viewpoint" Martin I am not bored...
Being a layperson, I can only say that I wish there were consensus on these matters. I have heard it all. One site vs. Many. So and so is a genius, no, he...
John: You and me -- and a whole bunch of other people -- wish exactly the same thing. I've been actively re-involved in the field of neurofeedback for over 18...
John Hooper, You are a breath of fresh and honest air in an atmosphere that frequently is over-heated and sometimes downright nasty. I wish you the very...
John, Thanks for your constructive post! I would indeed prefer not to get into genius, quacks etc. but rather have a content based conversation, to further all...
Martijn: So does that mean that you want to actually do a joint, "head-to-head" comparison study? I still haven't heard you say a simple yes to that. val...
Ineke, You know very well what the reasons were for that. To fill in the missing information here: - we had an initial very constructive meeting with...
In this field, I think that any explanation for how anything works could be argued infinitely. Some very respectable neurologists have called EEG nothing but...
Hi, The useful facts come from experimentation. hmm. I use neurocare in an office where I have very very happy clients and a waiting list. why would I care...
I wasn't suggesting that practitioners experiment. If you have something that works consistently, there is no need to change what you are doing. Research...
and I am not suggesting that val experiments. I AM suggesting that he get back to work on 2.0 and autonav :-), right after he gets over being bossed around:-)....
Meg et al: I've never not been working on v2 and, esp AutoNav. And I also don't really get "bossed around", but I suspect that's pretty obvious to most...
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