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I continue to be amazes at how much Sieg gets right and, perhaps even more
stunningly, what he gets wrong. It is real wonder how that conjunction
occurs.

In his latest newsletter Sieg does a good job (IMO) of summarizing a lot of
the field. In particular he contextualizes what I would call "classical
neurofeedback" fairly well and in doing so, does a pretty good job of
stating a number of important limitations in that overall paradigm. He also
does a fairly good job (again IMO) of summarizing a number of the
divergences involved in the more innovative approaches, including ours,
ROSHI and LENS, as well as his own. The problem is that he leaves out a lot
of the story (and yes space limitations can be a real constraint) and that
simply doesn't tell the truth on some other points. The whole thread can be
seen at:

http://www.eeginfo.com/newsletter/?p=432#more-432

I've also posted a couple of notes to follow up to his original post.

It is really interesting to watch how the field continues to "discover" what
we originally did, but about 5 or more years later. I certainly appreciate
the mention that Sieg makes of my complete abandonment of the classical
paradigm. It is (again IMO) important to mention that and, since I've now
withdrawn from presenting at what are called "the conferences" it would be
easy for my name and Sue's to be completely forgotten. Thanks Sieg for the
mention -- I do appreciate it. I would also appreciate you -- and others --
telling the rest of the story, well really the rest of the stories, esp when
the ideas of dynamic thresholding came from, what really CAN be done with
Adaptive Gabor Transforms (esp in conjunction with Non-linear, Dynamical
Control processes) and some others come into the conversation. Who knows,
if that started happening, I might even go back and present at one of those
events. Hey, stranger things have happened.... ;-)

Really Sieg I do thank you for the mention in your newsletter. You really
don't have to do it so it says a lot that you do.





Fri Aug 7, 2009 10:00 am

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I continue to be amazes at how much Sieg gets right and, perhaps even more stunningly, what he gets wrong. It is real wonder how that conjunction occurs. In...
Valdeane W. Brown, Ph...
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Aug 7, 2009
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Wow! To a large extent this is actually what you, Val, came up with already 10 years ago if I am not wrong : 5-phase-model! I wonder if this new view of Sieg...
Steve Ebright
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Aug 7, 2009
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Yes, that is what's amazing. The same ideas that were "impossible" or "wouldn't work" etc are now being presented by those who said they weren't possible....
Val Brown
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Aug 11, 2009
8:04 am

Val, Invariable the shift will come because of the outstanding advantages of a system such as NeurOptimal that works with process in this way. As threatened as...
John Thompson
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Aug 11, 2009
9:25 am

John, Interesting questions and the short answer is that those conferences are not only unimportant, in many ways they are irrelevant. And, yes, no longer ...
Valdeane W. Brown, Ph...
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Aug 11, 2009
9:49 am

John, So here's the thing. What they do, and what they present on, is either something we already done (and have done for years) OR it's completely irrelevant...
Val Brown
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Aug 12, 2009
8:46 pm

Val, That is very interesting. It makes sense that standardized scores, norms, averages etc are not compatible with NDS based neurofeedback. It seems that to...
John Thompson
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Aug 13, 2009
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Here I disagree... When I go to such conferences, there are always people I talk to for whom Val's position makes intuitive sense. And he does a far better...
Thomas Brod MD
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Aug 13, 2009
4:40 am

Tom, Yes I do understand. What I say and have presented DOES make intuitive sense, unless you¹ve been taught otherwise. And I do appreciate that you believe...
Valdeane W. Brown, Ph...
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Aug 13, 2009
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My agreement with Val is based on my experiences of presenting information about NDS & NeurOptimal to classical audiences. Whilst there are some who recognize...
John Thompson
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Aug 13, 2009
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