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#7965 From: Anand Chaudhary <ayurasabhaishja@...>
Date: Wed Jul 15, 2009 5:56 pm
Subject: Cross curriculum for different systems of medicines
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Dear All
 
Welcome on session of Cross curriculum for different systems of medicines on Netrum
 
The different systems of Medicine have single and unique goal i.e. to eliminate suffering of human being where medical intervention is needed on line of pshycosomatic constitution.
 
Every  pathy has its own course of action to achieve balance in physio-pathology of subject. Of course here subject is same that is we human of globe.
 
In the light of this universal fact whether one may think to have best of each pathy in service of ailing humanity.
 
Some countries are working on this approach.What may be scenario of this thought in our country with the fact that here  many kinds of complexes are prevailing in mind of every second concern. 
 
Idea of cross curriculum was initiated by Dr C P Thakur, in 2001 ,the than Health Minister of Union of India but it could not be materialised due to no care taker  of this idea at MCI & CCIM both.But now circumstances are changing vastly and compelling us to re consider our previous stand on this issue.
 
We invite our all learned members to speak on this issue with boldness and broadness.
 
Friends,I personally could not post any message on Netrum  since last 15-20 days due to my ignorance on the titles discussed .But I wish to congratulate all young brigade for their energy.I simply read and achieved all discussion with enhancement in my basic understanding on the themes.
 
With regards,

--
Anand Chaudhary
Deptt of Rasa Shastra
(Ayurvedic Pharmaceutics)
Faculty of Ayuveda
Institute of Medical Sciences
Banaras Hindu University
VARANASI 221005
Cell 9452074480
9889863866
0542-2366900(R)

#7966 From: "Vijay" <drvijaythawani@...>
Date: Thu Jul 16, 2009 4:20 pm
Subject: Re: Cross curriculum for different systems of medicines
drvijaythawani
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Hi,

Integrated/ Interpathy/ Holistic / Cross teaching has been proposed since long.
Many countries already have it. In India the Supreme Court bans "cross practice"
and calls such practitioner a quack, charltan who practices any pathy without
formal training. Hence it is compulsory to train the doctors in various pathies
which they are expected to practice.

The best from all pathies must be chosen in the best interest of patients.
Pathies practiced in the country should be included. These should have the
scientific validity and definite advantages over other pathies in diseases where
recommended.

Vijay

--- In netrum@yahoogroups.com, Anand Chaudhary <ayurasabhaishja@...> wrote:
>
> Dear All
>
> Welcome on session of *Cross curriculum for different systems of medicines
> on Netrum*
>
> The different systems of Medicine have single and unique goal i.e. to
> eliminate suffering of human being where medical intervention is needed on
> line of pshycosomatic constitution.
>
> Every pathy has its own course of action to achieve balance in
> physio-pathology of subject. Of course here subject is same that is we human
> of globe.
>
> In the light of this universal fact whether one may think to have best of
> each pathy in service of ailing humanity.
>
> Some countries are working on this approach.What may be scenario of this
> thought in our country with the fact that here many kinds of complexes are
> prevailing in mind of every second concern.
>
> Idea of cross curriculum was initiated by Dr C P Thakur, in 2001 ,the than
> Health Minister of Union of India but it could not be materialised due to
> no care taker of this idea at MCI & CCIM both.But now circumstances are
> changing vastly and compelling us to re consider our previous stand on this
> issue.
>
> We invite our all learned members to speak on this issue with boldness and
> broadness.
>
> Friends,I personally could not post any message on Netrum since last 15-20
> days due to my ignorance on the titles discussed .But I wish to congratulate
> all young brigade for their energy.I simply read and achieved all discussion
> with enhancement in my basic understanding on the themes.
>
> With regards,
>
> --
> Anand Chaudhary
> Deptt of Rasa Shastra
> (Ayurvedic Pharmaceutics)
> Faculty of Ayuveda
> Institute of Medical Sciences
> Banaras Hindu University
> VARANASI 221005
> Cell 9452074480
> 9889863866
> 0542-2366900(R)
>





#7969 From: Anand Chaudhary <ayurasabhaishja@...>
Date: Fri Jul 17, 2009 2:34 am
Subject: Re: Re: Cross curriculum for different systems of medicines
ayurasabhaishja
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Send Email Send Email
 

Dear All
 
Thanks Dr Thawani for your valuable inputs.
 
Sir SC decision is very right if one has no knowledge of the system how they can practice that.
 
Scientific validation is utmost important for practice.
 
But reality is this in our country that almost every physician of Ayurveda and Allopathy are prescribing cross medicines apart from their official/graduated system of medicine.One can not ignore the prescriptions which are coming out from Allapathic doctors of products of Himamlaya,Alarsin .Gufic etc.Fundamentals of these drugs have not been studied by them.
 
Reality is very eye opening in other side where almost every AYUSH doctors are using allopathic medicines.
 
So best solution is inclusion of best of every pathy and trained doctors in that with optimum proportion.
 
With regards,

 



On 7/16/09, Vijay <drvijaythawani@...> wrote:
 

Hi,

Integrated/ Interpathy/ Holistic / Cross teaching has been proposed since long. Many countries already have it. In India the Supreme Court bans "cross practice" and calls such practitioner a quack, charltan who practices any pathy without formal training. Hence it is compulsory to train the doctors in various pathies which they are expected to practice.

The best from all pathies must be chosen in the best interest of patients. Pathies practiced in the country should be included. These should have the scientific validity and definite advantages over other pathies in diseases where recommended.

Vijay



--- In netrum@yahoogroups.com, Anand Chaudhary <ayurasabhaishja@...> wrote:
>
> Dear All
>
> Welcome on session of *Cross curriculum for different systems of medicines
> on Netrum*
>
> The different systems of Medicine have single and unique goal i.e. to
> eliminate suffering of human being where medical intervention is needed on
> line of pshycosomatic constitution.
>
> Every pathy has its own course of action to achieve balance in
> physio-pathology of subject. Of course here subject is same that is we human
> of globe.
>
> In the light of this universal fact whether one may think to have best of
> each pathy in service of ailing humanity.
>
> Some countries are working on this approach.What may be scenario of this
> thought in our country with the fact that here many kinds of complexes are
> prevailing in mind of every second concern.
>
> Idea of cross curriculum was initiated by Dr C P Thakur, in 2001 ,the than
> Health Minister of Union of India but it could not be materialised due to
> no care taker of this idea at MCI & CCIM both.But now circumstances are
> changing vastly and compelling us to re consider our previous stand on this
> issue.
>
> We invite our all learned members to speak on this issue with boldness and
> broadness.
>
> Friends,I personally could not post any message on Netrum since last 15-20
> days due to my ignorance on the titles discussed .But I wish to congratulate
> all young brigade for their energy.I simply read and achieved all discussion
> with enhancement in my basic understanding on the themes.
>
> With regards,
>
> --
> Anand Chaudhary
> Deptt of Rasa Shastra
> (Ayurvedic Pharmaceutics)
> Faculty of Ayuveda
> Institute of Medical Sciences
> Banaras Hindu University
> VARANASI 221005
> Cell 9452074480
> 9889863866
> 0542-2366900(R)
>




--
Anand Chaudhary
Deptt of Rasa Shastra
(Ayurvedic Pharmaceutics)
Faculty of Ayuveda
Institute of Medical Sciences
Banaras Hindu University
VARANASI 221005
Cell 9452074480
9889863866
0542-2366900(R)

#7970 From: "Geer M. Ishaq" <ishaqgeer@...>
Date: Fri Jul 17, 2009 3:40 am
Subject: Re: Cross curriculum for different systems of medicines
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Respected Dr. Anand Chaudhryji:
 
Kindly accept my hearty congratulations for selecting this highly pertinent and vision-based topic of discussion. While this discussion is going on, only a few moments ago I recieved the latest issue of American Journal of Pharmacy Education which has published a full supplement on "The Importance of inter-professional curriculum". Though the articles published in the supplement relate more to Pharmacy rather than medicine, issued raised in the articles are quite relevant to medical education also. I invite all esteemed members to have a look at the articles published at the URL:
 
This effort of the AJPE only goes to prove the importance of this topic and the need for its implementation in various curricula. For the convenience of the readers I am copying the first article of the issue below for fair use:
 
Further in spite of these facts I have certain inhibitions and reservations regarding allowing full-fledged practice of cross-pathies because in certain super-speciality clinical conditions it may not be feasible owing to the fact that within a span of four or five years students of any stream cannot be trained in totality about the pros and cons of all pathies. Nevertheless familiarizing the UG students about the fundamental principles of cross-pathies in very much required and in fact inevitable considering the unabated cross-practice going on in all parts of the country. I would like to have your kind opinion on these aspersions and would put forth more comments in coming days.
 
With Regards
Dr. Geer M. Ishaq
Assistant Professor
Dept. of Pharmaceutical Sciences
University of Kashmir
Srinagar-190006 (J&K)
Ph: 9906673100, 01942429503

 

The Imperative for Interprofessional Education

Susan M. Meyer PhD

University of Pittsburgh School of Pharmacy


In the evolving contexts of health care delivery and health professions education, issues of patient safety; public health, health promotion, and disease prevention; and team-based, patient-centered care are at the forefront. Within each of these issues, interprofessional education and interprofessional practice are strategies to achieve the goals of effective, patient-centered, timely, efficient, and equitable health care.1 Pharmacy education has embraced the vision of the Institute of Medicine Committee on the Health Professions Education Summit that “[a]ll health professionals should be educated to deliver patient-centered care as members of an interdisciplinary team, emphasizing evidence-based practice, quality improvement approaches, and informatics.” 2 Educational Outcomes 2004, the document published by the American Association of Colleges of Pharmacy's (AACP) Center for the Advancement of Pharmaceutical Education that guides curriculum development at colleges and schools of pharmacy, incorporates language that explicitly describes the expectation that graduates will collaborate with other health care providers in the provision of pharmaceutical care, management of systems, and engagement in public health.3 The Accreditation Standards and Guidelines (Standards 2007) promulgated by the Accreditation Council for Pharmacy Education now hold colleges and schools of pharmacy accountable for designing, delivering, and assessing educational programs that prepare future pharmacists to provide patient-centered care as members of interprofessional health care teams. 4 Development of a contemporary student's identity as a pharmacist must now include how he or she, as a pharmacist, will participate in the care of patients as a member of a team of professionals.

The topic of interprofessional education is not new to the Journal. Remington and colleagues provided a review of evidence for interprofessional education in 2006.5 The authors reported on their review of the literature in which they attempted to determine “what educational interventions for health professions trainees are likely to enhance learner-based outcomes (knowledge, skills, and behaviors) relevant to the provision of interprofessional care.” The authors identified a lack of quality information to guide interprofessional curriculum development and little direct evidence for persistent improvement in interprofessional knowledge and skills.

 

In its report, the 2006-07 AACP Professional Affairs Committee reviewed AACP activities related to interprofessional education and provided an overview of the positions of other health care organizations such as the Joint Commission, the Association of American Medical Colleges, and the Institute for Healthcare Improvement-Health Professions Education Collaborative.6 The Committee offered recommendations for AACP and its member institutions to expand, enhance, and sustain interprofessional collaboration as an underpinning of the doctor of pharmacy (PharmD) curriculum and to facilitate the advancement of patient care practices in a variety of care environments.

 

The Journal's theme issue on Interprofessional Education provides a comprehensive overview of the state of interprofessional education and pharmacy education's engagement in it—from issues of administrative structure and support to facilitate cross-program interaction, to working definitions, to accreditation issues, to instructional and assessment strategies being implemented and evaluated. One might question how effectively a profession-specific journal with a fairly homogeneous audience might address a topic as complex and seemingly broad-reaching as interprofessional education. Yet, some of the component knowledge, skills, and attitudes identified as core to interprofessional practice can be learned in profession-specific courses, while others must be taught, practiced, and refined in collaboration with others. The mastery of interprofessional education competencies must be progressive over the course of a student's development and the content integrated across a curriculum, from conceptual to experiential, and from theoretical to contextual.

The manuscript by Buring and colleagues, “Interprofessional Education: Definitions, Student Competencies, and Guidelines for Implementation,” provides a context and grounding for the papers that follow. Outlining the work of the AACP Task Force on Interprofessional Education, the paper provides a clear definition of interprofessional education, what it is and is not, and the current evidence supporting interprofessional education. The delineation of interprofessional competencies and learning objectives provides useful guidance for the development of a curriculum to prepare students for interprofessional practice, components of which might be implemented in pharmacy-specific courses and others in interprofessional courses and patient care experiences. The second Buring manuscript, “Keys to Successful Implementation of Interprofessional Education: Learning, Location, Faculty Development, and Curricular Themes,” offers additional detail to facilitate the implementation of interprofessional education initiatives.

In 2007, as part of their participation in the AACP Academic Leadership Fellows program, Smith et al conducted focus group discussions with administrative leaders in colleges and schools of pharmacy and other health professions programs across 6 campuses. The manuscript, “Interprofessional Education in Six US Colleges of Pharmacy,” outlines the current realities and environments associated with advancing interprofessional education.

Papers by Cameron et al, Odegard et al, and Dodson et al provide campus-specific examples of how interprofessional education is being approached, the role the college or school of pharmacy has had in the design and implementation of interprofessional education strategies, and how pharmacy students are engaged in interprofessional learning activities.




ACKNOWLEDGMENTS

In addition to the authors of the component manuscripts, this theme issue would not have become a reality without the diligence of the Journal editorial staff and thoughtful input of the reviewers.


REFERENCES
1. Institute of Medicine Committee on Quality of Health Care in America. Crossing the Quality Chasm. National Academy Press, Washington, DC 2001. http://www.nap.edu/catalog.php?record_id=10027#toc Accessed June 11, 2009.
2. Institute of Medicine Committee on the Health Professions Education Summit, Health Professions Education: A Bridge to Quality. National Academy Press, Washington, DC; 2003. http://www.nap.edu/catalog.php?record_id=10681#toc Accessed June 11, 2009.
3. Center for the Advancement of Pharmaceutical Education Educational Outcomes 2004, American Association of Colleges of Pharmacy, 2004. http://www.aacp.org/resources/education/Documents/CAPE2004.pdf. Accessed May 19, 2009.
4. Accreditation Standards and Guidelines for the Professional Program in Pharmacy Leading to the Doctor of Pharmacy Degree, Accreditation Council for Pharmacy Education, 2006. http://www.acpe-accredit.org/pdf/ACPE_Revised_PharmD_Standards_Adopted_Jan152006.pdf. Accessed May 19, 2009.
5. Remington TL, Foulk MA, Williams BC. Evaluation of evidence for interprofessional education. Am J Pharm Educ. 2006;70(3)Article 66.
6. Kroboth P, Crismon LM, Daniels C, et al. Getting to solutions in interprofessional education: Report of the 2006-2007 Professional Affairs Committee. Am J Pharm Educ. 2007;71Article S19.



From: Anand Chaudhary <ayurasabhaishja@...>
To: netrum@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, 17 July, 2009 8:04:45 AM
Subject: Re: [netrum] Re: Cross curriculum for different systems of medicines

 

Dear All
 
Thanks Dr Thawani for your valuable inputs.
 
Sir SC decision is very right if one has no knowledge of the system how they can practice that.
 
Scientific validation is utmost important for practice.
 
But reality is this in our country that almost every physician of Ayurveda and Allopathy are prescribing cross medicines apart from their official/graduated system of medicine.One can not ignore the prescriptions which are coming out from Allapathic doctors of products of Himamlaya,Alarsin .Gufic etc.Fundamentals of these drugs have not been studied by them.
 
Reality is very eye opening in other side where almost every AYUSH doctors are using allopathic medicines.
 
So best solution is inclusion of best of every pathy and trained doctors in that with optimum proportion.
 
With regards,

 



On 7/16/09, Vijay <drvijaythawani@ yahoo.co. in> wrote:
 

Hi,

Integrated/ Interpathy/ Holistic / Cross teaching has been proposed since long. Many countries already have it. In India the Supreme Court bans "cross practice" and calls such practitioner a quack, charltan who practices any pathy without formal training. Hence it is compulsory to train the doctors in various pathies which they are expected to practice.

The best from all pathies must be chosen in the best interest of patients. Pathies practiced in the country should be included. These should have the scientific validity and definite advantages over other pathies in diseases where recommended.

Vijay



--- In netrum@yahoogroups. com, Anand Chaudhary <ayurasabhaishja@ ...> wrote:
>
> Dear All
>
> Welcome on session of *Cross curriculum for different systems of medicines
> on Netrum*
>
> The different systems of Medicine have single and unique goal i.e. to
> eliminate suffering of human being where medical intervention is needed on
> line of pshycosomatic constitution.
>
> Every pathy has its own course of action to achieve balance in
> physio-pathology of subject. Of course here subject is same that is we human
> of globe.
>
> In the light of this universal fact whether one may think to have best of
> each pathy in service of ailing humanity.
>
> Some countries are working on this approach.What may be scenario of this
> thought in our country with the fact that here many kinds of complexes are
> prevailing in mind of every second concern.
>
> Idea of cross curriculum was initiated by Dr C P Thakur, in 2001 ,the than
> Health Minister of Union of India but it could not be materialised due to
> no care taker of this idea at MCI & CCIM both.But now circumstances are
> changing vastly and compelling us to re consider our previous stand on this
> issue.
>
> We invite our all learned members to speak on this issue with boldness and
> broadness.
>
> Friends,I personally could not post any message on Netrum since last 15-20
> days due to my ignorance on the titles discussed .But I wish to congratulate
> all young brigade for their energy.I simply read and achieved all discussion
> with enhancement in my basic understanding on the themes.
>
> With regards,
>
> --
> Anand Chaudhary
> Deptt of Rasa Shastra
> (Ayurvedic Pharmaceutics)
> Faculty of Ayuveda
> Institute of Medical Sciences
> Banaras Hindu University
> VARANASI 221005
> Cell 9452074480
> 9889863866
> 0542-2366900( R)
>




--
Anand Chaudhary
Deptt of Rasa Shastra
(Ayurvedic Pharmaceutics)
Faculty of Ayuveda
Institute of Medical Sciences
Banaras Hindu University
VARANASI 221005
Cell 9452074480
9889863866
0542-2366900( R)


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#7974 From: Anand Chaudhary <ayurasabhaishja@...>
Date: Fri Jul 17, 2009 8:59 am
Subject: Re: Cross curriculum for different systems of medicines
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Dear Dr Geer
 
As usual you exceptional here too.
 
I shall go through the write up and reach to you within days.
 
Please see the under quoted lines.
Some words of Late Pandit Shiv Sharma from FOREWORD of a monograph.
 
"Many sophisticated and westernished Indians, with their uncritical and deep faith in the infallibility of the wisdom of the modern medical practitioners, share their ignorance-based dread of utterly harmless and highly beneficial Ayurvedic metallic preparations and quite often deprive themselves of good chances to escape the worst through their use. The number of such deaths has not been statistically studied as yet. I believe it shall be found to be substantially alarming.
Few people in India today are aware of the prestige and glory of Ayurveda. The Ayurvedic scholarship and clinical acumen suffered a set-back due to the politics of the Ayurvedic education which were so obvious that Prof. Paul Brass, Head of the Department of Political Science, University of Washington, Seattle, actually came to India to study the situation and wrote an incisive monograph, Politics of Ayurvedic Education, subsequently published by the Harvard University."
 
Whether this things exist  even presently.
 
With regards,
 

 
On 7/17/09, Geer M. Ishaq <ishaqgeer@...> wrote:
 

Respected Dr. Anand Chaudhryji:
 
Kindly accept my hearty congratulations for selecting this highly pertinent and vision-based topic of discussion. While this discussion is going on, only a few moments ago I recieved the latest issue of American Journal of Pharmacy Education which has published a full supplement on "The Importance of inter-professional curriculum". Though the articles published in the supplement relate more to Pharmacy rather than medicine, issued raised in the articles are quite relevant to medical education also. I invite all esteemed members to have a look at the articles published at the URL:
 
This effort of the AJPE only goes to prove the importance of this topic and the need for its implementation in various curricula. For the convenience of the readers I am copying the first article of the issue below for fair use:
 
Further in spite of these facts I have certain inhibitions and reservations regarding allowing full-fledged practice of cross-pathies because in certain super-speciality clinical conditions it may not be feasible owing to the fact that within a span of four or five years students of any stream cannot be trained in totality about the pros and cons of all pathies. Nevertheless familiarizing the UG students about the fundamental principles of cross-pathies in very much required and in fact inevitable considering the unabated cross-practice going on in all parts of the country. I would like to have your kind opinion on these aspersions and would put forth more comments in coming days.
 
With Regards
Dr. Geer M. Ishaq
Assistant Professor
Dept. of Pharmaceutical Sciences
University of Kashmir
Srinagar-190006 (J&K)
Ph: 9906673100, 01942429503

 

The Imperative for Interprofessional Education

Susan M. Meyer PhD

University of Pittsburgh School of Pharmacy


In the evolving contexts of health care delivery and health professions education, issues of patient safety; public health, health promotion, and disease prevention; and team-based, patient-centered care are at the forefront. Within each of these issues, interprofessional education and interprofessional practice are strategies to achieve the goals of effective, patient-centered, timely, efficient, and equitable health care.1 Pharmacy education has embraced the vision of the Institute of Medicine Committee on the Health Professions Education Summit that “[a]ll health professionals should be educated to deliver patient-centered care as members of an interdisciplinary team, emphasizing evidence-based practice, quality improvement approaches, and informatics.” 2 Educational Outcomes 2004, the document published by the American Association of Colleges of Pharmacy's (AACP) Center for the Advancement of Pharmaceutical Education that guides curriculum development at colleges and schools of pharmacy, incorporates language that explicitly describes the expectation that graduates will collaborate with other health care providers in the provision of pharmaceutical care, management of systems, and engagement in public health.3 The Accreditation Standards and Guidelines (Standards 2007) promulgated by the Accreditation Council for Pharmacy Education now hold colleges and schools of pharmacy accountable for designing, delivering, and assessing educational programs that prepare future pharmacists to provide patient-centered care as members of interprofessional health care teams. 4 Development of a contemporary student's identity as a pharmacist must now include how he or she, as a pharmacist, will participate in the care of patients as a member of a team of professionals.

The topic of interprofessional education is not new to the Journal. Remington and colleagues provided a review of evidence for interprofessional education in 2006.5 The authors reported on their review of the literature in which they attempted to determine “what educational interventions for health professions trainees are likely to enhance learner-based outcomes (knowledge, skills, and behaviors) relevant to the provision of interprofessional care.” The authors identified a lack of quality information to guide interprofessional curriculum development and little direct evidence for persistent improvement in interprofessional knowledge and skills.

 

In its report, the 2006-07 AACP Professional Affairs Committee reviewed AACP activities related to interprofessional education and provided an overview of the positions of other health care organizations such as the Joint Commission, the Association of American Medical Colleges, and the Institute for Healthcare Improvement-Health Professions Education Collaborative.6 The Committee offered recommendations for AACP and its member institutions to expand, enhance, and sustain interprofessional collaboration as an underpinning of the doctor of pharmacy (PharmD) curriculum and to facilitate the advancement of patient care practices in a variety of care environments.

 

The Journal's theme issue on Interprofessional Education provides a comprehensive overview of the state of interprofessional education and pharmacy education's engagement in it—from issues of administrative structure and support to facilitate cross-program interaction, to working definitions, to accreditation issues, to instructional and assessment strategies being implemented and evaluated. One might question how effectively a profession-specific journal with a fairly homogeneous audience might address a topic as complex and seemingly broad-reaching as interprofessional education. Yet, some of the component knowledge, skills, and attitudes identified as core to interprofessional practice can be learned in profession-specific courses, while others must be taught, practiced, and refined in collaboration with others. The mastery of interprofessional education competencies must be progressive over the course of a student's development and the content integrated across a curriculum, from conceptual to experiential, and from theoretical to contextual.

The manuscript by Buring and colleagues, “Interprofessional Education: Definitions, Student Competencies, and Guidelines for Implementation,” provides a context and grounding for the papers that follow. Outlining the work of the AACP Task Force on Interprofessional Education, the paper provides a clear definition of interprofessional education, what it is and is not, and the current evidence supporting interprofessional education. The delineation of interprofessional competencies and learning objectives provides useful guidance for the development of a curriculum to prepare students for interprofessional practice, components of which might be implemented in pharmacy-specific courses and others in interprofessional courses and patient care experiences. The second Buring manuscript, “Keys to Successful Implementation of Interprofessional Education: Learning, Location, Faculty Development, and Curricular Themes,” offers additional detail to facilitate the implementation of interprofessional education initiatives.

In 2007, as part of their participation in the AACP Academic Leadership Fellows program, Smith et al conducted focus group discussions with administrative leaders in colleges and schools of pharmacy and other health professions programs across 6 campuses. The manuscript, “Interprofessional Education in Six US Colleges of Pharmacy,” outlines the current realities and environments associated with advancing interprofessional education.

Papers by Cameron et al, Odegard et al, and Dodson et al provide campus-specific examples of how interprofessional education is being approached, the role the college or school of pharmacy has had in the design and implementation of interprofessional education strategies, and how pharmacy students are engaged in interprofessional learning activities.



 

ACKNOWLEDGMENTS

In addition to the authors of the component manuscripts, this theme issue would not have become a reality without the diligence of the Journal editorial staff and thoughtful input of the reviewers.


REFERENCES
1. Institute of Medicine Committee on Quality of Health Care in America. Crossing the Quality Chasm. National Academy Press, Washington, DC 2001. http://www.nap.edu/catalog.php?record_id=10027#toc Accessed June 11, 2009.
2. Institute of Medicine Committee on the Health Professions Education Summit, Health Professions Education: A Bridge to Quality. National Academy Press, Washington, DC; 2003. http://www.nap.edu/catalog.php?record_id=10681#toc Accessed June 11, 2009.
3. Center for the Advancement of Pharmaceutical Education Educational Outcomes 2004, American Association of Colleges of Pharmacy, 2004. http://www.aacp.org/resources/education/Documents/CAPE2004.pdf. Accessed May 19, 2009.
4. Accreditation Standards and Guidelines for the Professional Program in Pharmacy Leading to the Doctor of Pharmacy Degree, Accreditation Council for Pharmacy Education, 2006. http://www.acpe-accredit.org/pdf/ACPE_Revised_PharmD_Standards_Adopted_Jan152006.pdf. Accessed May 19, 2009.
5. Remington TL, Foulk MA, Williams BC. Evaluation of evidence for interprofessional education. Am J Pharm Educ. 2006;70(3)Article 66.
6. Kroboth P, Crismon LM, Daniels C, et al. Getting to solutions in interprofessional education: Report of the 2006-2007 Professional Affairs Committee. Am J Pharm Educ. 2007;71Article S19.

 


From: Anand Chaudhary <ayurasabhaishja@...>
To: netrum@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, 17 July, 2009 8:04:45 AM
Subject: Re: [netrum] Re: Cross curriculum for different systems of medicines

 

Dear All
 
Thanks Dr Thawani for your valuable inputs.
 
Sir SC decision is very right if one has no knowledge of the system how they can practice that.
 
Scientific validation is utmost important for practice.
 
But reality is this in our country that almost every physician of Ayurveda and Allopathy are prescribing cross medicines apart from their official/graduated system of medicine.One can not ignore the prescriptions which are coming out from Allapathic doctors of products of Himamlaya,Alarsin .Gufic etc.Fundamentals of these drugs have not been studied by them.
 
Reality is very eye opening in other side where almost every AYUSH doctors are using allopathic medicines.
 
So best solution is inclusion of best of every pathy and trained doctors in that with optimum proportion.
 
With regards,

 



On 7/16/09, Vijay <drvijaythawani@ yahoo.co. in> wrote:
 

Hi,

Integrated/ Interpathy/ Holistic / Cross teaching has been proposed since long. Many countries already have it. In India the Supreme Court bans "cross practice" and calls such practitioner a quack, charltan who practices any pathy without formal training. Hence it is compulsory to train the doctors in various pathies which they are expected to practice.

The best from all pathies must be chosen in the best interest of patients. Pathies practiced in the country should be included. These should have the scientific validity and definite advantages over other pathies in diseases where recommended.

Vijay



--- In netrum@yahoogroups. com, Anand Chaudhary <ayurasabhaishja@ ...> wrote:
>
> Dear All
>
> Welcome on session of *Cross curriculum for different systems of medicines
> on Netrum*
>
> The different systems of Medicine have single and unique goal i.e. to
> eliminate suffering of human being where medical intervention is needed on
> line of pshycosomatic constitution.
>
> Every pathy has its own course of action to achieve balance in
> physio-pathology of subject. Of course here subject is same that is we human
> of globe.
>
> In the light of this universal fact whether one may think to have best of
> each pathy in service of ailing humanity.
>
> Some countries are working on this approach.What may be scenario of this
> thought in our country with the fact that here many kinds of complexes are
> prevailing in mind of every second concern.
>
> Idea of cross curriculum was initiated by Dr C P Thakur, in 2001 ,the than
> Health Minister of Union of India but it could not be materialised due to
> no care taker of this idea at MCI & CCIM both.But now circumstances are
> changing vastly and compelling us to re consider our previous stand on this
> issue.
>
> We invite our all learned members to speak on this issue with boldness and
> broadness.
>
> Friends,I personally could not post any message on Netrum since last 15-20
> days due to my ignorance on the titles discussed .But I wish to congratulate
> all young brigade for their energy.I simply read and achieved all discussion
> with enhancement in my basic understanding on the themes.
>
> With regards,
>
> --
> Anand Chaudhary
> Deptt of Rasa Shastra
> (Ayurvedic Pharmaceutics)
> Faculty of Ayuveda
> Institute of Medical Sciences
> Banaras Hindu University
> VARANASI 221005
> Cell 9452074480
> 9889863866
> 0542-2366900( R)
>




--
Anand Chaudhary
Deptt of Rasa Shastra
(Ayurvedic Pharmaceutics)
Faculty of Ayuveda
Institute of Medical Sciences
Banaras Hindu University
VARANASI 221005
Cell 9452074480
9889863866
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Anand Chaudhary
Deptt of Rasa Shastra
(Ayurvedic Pharmaceutics)
Faculty of Ayuveda
Institute of Medical Sciences
Banaras Hindu University
VARANASI 221005
Cell 9452074480
9889863866
0542-2366900(R)

#7972 From: "gajjarbm" <gajjarbm@...>
Date: Fri Jul 17, 2009 8:22 am
Subject: Cross curriculum for different systems of medicines
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Dear Dr. Anand,
Again one nice topic for discussion.
In all systems of medicines, basic subjects like Anatomy, Physiology, Pathology,
Microbiology, Biochemistry are taught.
Only difference is in the teaching of 'PHARMACOTHERAPEUTICS'.
Therapeutic part in Ayurveda, Homeopathy and Modern Pharmacology differ in
principles.
Modern medicines also have medicines obtained from plants, like digoxin,
atropine, quinine etc.
Therefore cross curriculum development is not so difficult.
Each system would teach its own therapeutics in detail plus basic principles of
other systems.
Such type of trained doctors would practice their systems primarily, with
support from other systems when and where needed for ultimate benefit of
patients.
Bharat Gajjar.





#7973 From: Anand Chaudhary <ayurasabhaishja@...>
Date: Fri Jul 17, 2009 8:48 am
Subject: Re: Cross curriculum for different systems of medicines
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Thanks Sir
 
I do agree with the inputs provided by you.
 
The question exist here is how  and when to incorporate the teaching of other system of medicine. at the time of UG education or some specialised courses.
 
Please emphasise this issue.
 
With regards,  

 
On 7/17/09, gajjarbm <gajjarbm@...> wrote:
 

Dear Dr. Anand,
Again one nice topic for discussion.
In all systems of medicines, basic subjects like Anatomy, Physiology, Pathology, Microbiology, Biochemistry are taught.
Only difference is in the teaching of 'PHARMACOTHERAPEUTICS'.
Therapeutic part in Ayurveda, Homeopathy and Modern Pharmacology differ in principles.
Modern medicines also have medicines obtained from plants, like digoxin, atropine, quinine etc.
Therefore cross curriculum development is not so difficult.
Each system would teach its own therapeutics in detail plus basic principles of other systems.
Such type of trained doctors would practice their systems primarily, with support from other systems when and where needed for ultimate benefit of patients.
Bharat Gajjar.




--
Anand Chaudhary
Deptt of Rasa Shastra
(Ayurvedic Pharmaceutics)
Faculty of Ayuveda
Institute of Medical Sciences
Banaras Hindu University
VARANASI 221005
Cell 9452074480
9889863866
0542-2366900(R)

#7977 From: "gajjarbm" <gajjarbm@...>
Date: Fri Jul 17, 2009 10:39 am
Subject: Re: Cross curriculum for different systems of medicines
gajjarbm
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Dear Dr. Anand,
Of course,at UG level.
In the last year of any system, we may introduce such course/subject.
One subject may be added in the last year-subject title may be e.g.-'Alternative
Therapeutics'.
Bharat.

--- In netrum@yahoogroups.com, Anand Chaudhary <ayurasabhaishja@...> wrote:
>
> Thanks Sir
>
> I do agree with the inputs provided by you.
>
> The question exist here is how and when to incorporate the teaching of
> other system of medicine. at the time of UG education or some specialised
> courses.
>
> Please emphasise this issue.
>
> With regards,
>
>
> On 7/17/09, gajjarbm <gajjarbm@...> wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > Dear Dr. Anand,
> > Again one nice topic for discussion.
> > In all systems of medicines, basic subjects like Anatomy, Physiology,
> > Pathology, Microbiology, Biochemistry are taught.
> > Only difference is in the teaching of 'PHARMACOTHERAPEUTICS'.
> > Therapeutic part in Ayurveda, Homeopathy and Modern Pharmacology differ in
> > principles.
> > Modern medicines also have medicines obtained from plants, like digoxin,
> > atropine, quinine etc.
> > Therefore cross curriculum development is not so difficult.
> > Each system would teach its own therapeutics in detail plus basic
> > principles of other systems.
> > Such type of trained doctors would practice their systems primarily, with
> > support from other systems when and where needed for ultimate benefit of
> > patients.
> > Bharat Gajjar.
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
> --
> Anand Chaudhary
> Deptt of Rasa Shastra
> (Ayurvedic Pharmaceutics)
> Faculty of Ayuveda
> Institute of Medical Sciences
> Banaras Hindu University
> VARANASI 221005
> Cell 9452074480
> 9889863866
> 0542-2366900(R)
>





#7978 From: "Dr. Keshetti Srisailam" <ksrisailam@...>
Date: Fri Jul 17, 2009 11:02 am
Subject: Re: Re: Cross curriculum for different systems of medicines
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Dear members
I do agree with Dr. Bharat
A subject on alternative therapies should be introduced in the final year of UG, because one may practice after UG.
It is not wise to fit into PG curriculum as one may stop his/her education at UG.
The subject may be 'Alternative Therapeutics' as suggested by Dr. Bharat, or it may be 'Alternative Therapies'
Dr. Srisailam


--- On Fri, 17/7/09, gajjarbm <gajjarbm@...> wrote:

From: gajjarbm <gajjarbm@...>
Subject: [netrum] Re: Cross curriculum for different systems of medicines
To: netrum@yahoogroups.com
Date: Friday, 17 July, 2009, 4:09 PM

 

Dear Dr. Anand,
Of course,at UG level.
In the last year of any system, we may introduce such course/subject.
One subject may be added in the last year-subject title may be e.g.-'Alternative Therapeutics' .
Bharat.

--- In netrum@yahoogroups. com, Anand Chaudhary <ayurasabhaishja@ ...> wrote:
>
> Thanks Sir
>
> I do agree with the inputs provided by you.
>
> The question exist here is how and when to incorporate the teaching of
> other system of medicine. at the time of UG education or some specialised
> courses.
>
> Please emphasise this issue.
>
> With regards,
>
>
> On 7/17/09, gajjarbm <gajjarbm@.. .> wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > Dear Dr. Anand,
> > Again one nice topic for discussion.
> > In all systems of medicines, basic subjects like Anatomy, Physiology,
> > Pathology, Microbiology, Biochemistry are taught.
> > Only difference is in the teaching of 'PHARMACOTHERAPEUTI CS'.
> > Therapeutic part in Ayurveda, Homeopathy and Modern Pharmacology differ in
> > principles.
> > Modern medicines also have medicines obtained from plants, like digoxin,
> > atropine, quinine etc.
> > Therefore cross curriculum development is not so difficult.
> > Each system would teach its own therapeutics in detail plus basic
> > principles of other systems.
> > Such type of trained doctors would practice their systems primarily, with
> > support from other systems when and where needed for ultimate benefit of
> > patients.
> > Bharat Gajjar.
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
> --
> Anand Chaudhary
> Deptt of Rasa Shastra
> (Ayurvedic Pharmaceutics)
> Faculty of Ayuveda
> Institute of Medical Sciences
> Banaras Hindu University
> VARANASI 221005
> Cell 9452074480
> 9889863866
> 0542-2366900( R)
>



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#7979 From: anupama sukhlecha <anupama_acad@...>
Date: Fri Jul 17, 2009 11:58 am
Subject: Re: Re: Cross curriculum for different systems of medicines
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Dear Dr Anand,
   In school class X exam we have an optional paper like Sanskrit, foreign language etc. Similarly, in final year of MBBS/ BAMS/BHMS , we can have an optional paper of our choice like Alternative medicine, Accupressure, Chinese medicine etc so that we can have an idea of other systems of medicine being practiced in different parts of the world.

Anupama

--- On Fri, 17/7/09, Dr. Keshetti Srisailam <ksrisailam@...> wrote:

From: Dr. Keshetti Srisailam <ksrisailam@...>
Subject: Re: [netrum] Re: Cross curriculum for different systems of medicines
To: netrum@yahoogroups.com
Date: Friday, 17 July, 2009, 4:32 PM

 

Dear members
I do agree with Dr. Bharat
A subject on alternative therapies should be introduced in the final year of UG, because one may practice after UG.
It is not wise to fit into PG curriculum as one may stop his/her education at UG.
The subject may be 'Alternative Therapeutics' as suggested by Dr. Bharat, or it may be 'Alternative Therapies'
Dr. Srisailam


--- On Fri, 17/7/09, gajjarbm <gajjarbm@yahoo. com> wrote:

From: gajjarbm <gajjarbm@yahoo. com>
Subject: [netrum] Re: Cross curriculum for different systems of medicines
To: netrum@yahoogroups. com
Date: Friday, 17 July, 2009, 4:09 PM

 

Dear Dr. Anand,
Of course,at UG level.
In the last year of any system, we may introduce such course/subject.
One subject may be added in the last year-subject title may be e.g.-'Alternative Therapeutics' .
Bharat.

--- In netrum@yahoogroups. com, Anand Chaudhary <ayurasabhaishja@ ...> wrote:
>
> Thanks Sir
>
> I do agree with the inputs provided by you.
>
> The question exist here is how and when to incorporate the teaching of
> other system of medicine. at the time of UG education or some specialised
> courses.
>
> Please emphasise this issue.
>
> With regards,
>
>
> On 7/17/09, gajjarbm <gajjarbm@.. .> wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > Dear Dr. Anand,
> > Again one nice topic for discussion.
> > In all systems of medicines, basic subjects like Anatomy, Physiology,
> > Pathology, Microbiology, Biochemistry are taught.
> > Only difference is in the teaching of 'PHARMACOTHERAPEUTI CS'.
> > Therapeutic part in Ayurveda, Homeopathy and Modern Pharmacology differ in
> > principles.
> > Modern medicines also have medicines obtained from plants, like digoxin,
> > atropine, quinine etc.
> > Therefore cross curriculum development is not so difficult.
> > Each system would teach its own therapeutics in detail plus basic
> > principles of other systems.
> > Such type of trained doctors would practice their systems primarily, with
> > support from other systems when and where needed for ultimate benefit of
> > patients.
> > Bharat Gajjar.
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
> --
> Anand Chaudhary
> Deptt of Rasa Shastra
> (Ayurvedic Pharmaceutics)
> Faculty of Ayuveda
> Institute of Medical Sciences
> Banaras Hindu University
> VARANASI 221005
> Cell 9452074480
> 9889863866
> 0542-2366900( R)
>



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#7980 From: "Vijay" <drvijaythawani@...>
Date: Fri Jul 17, 2009 12:01 pm
Subject: Re: Cross curriculum for different systems of medicines
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Hi,

I like the term traditional medicine (TM) as compared to the term "alternative"
because calling alternative pre-supposes that it is secondary to something else
which is primary. Thus the other gets more imporatnce and alternative is
relegated to back seat.

All pathies exist for the welfare of patients. They are the consumers and end
users of every pathy. Yet they do not have the power to take decision in the
matter. Jago grahak jago!

In our research we had found that the patients self consumed products from TM
because they had faith and trust in them. They did not like the water tight
compartmentalisation of each pathy. They did not like any barriers to the access
of TM products.

Yes, since we know that Ayurvedic products are prescribed by practioners of
other pathies in India, I agree to the view that all pathies being taught in
India must teach about the pathies of the land.

Vijay



--- In netrum@yahoogroups.com, "Dr. Keshetti Srisailam" <ksrisailam@...> wrote:
>
> Dear members
> I do agree with Dr. Bharat
> A subject on alternative therapies should be introduced in the final year of
UG, because one may practice after UG.
> It is not wise to fit into PG curriculum as one may stop his/her education at
UG.
> The subject may be 'Alternative Therapeutics' as suggested by Dr. Bharat, or
it may be 'Alternative Therapies'
> Dr. Srisailam
>
>
> --- On Fri, 17/7/09, gajjarbm <gajjarbm@...> wrote:
>
> From: gajjarbm <gajjarbm@...>
> Subject: [netrum] Re: Cross curriculum for different systems of medicines
> To: netrum@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Friday, 17 July, 2009, 4:09 PM
>
>
>
>
>
>
>  
>
>
>
>
>
> Dear Dr. Anand,
>
> Of course,at UG level.
>
> In the last year of any system, we may introduce such course/subject.
>
> One subject may be added in the last year-subject title may be
e.g.-'Alternative Therapeutics' .
>
> Bharat.
>
>
>
> --- In netrum@yahoogroups. com, Anand Chaudhary <ayurasabhaishja@ ...> wrote:
>
> >
>
> > Thanks Sir
>
> >
>
> > I do agree with the inputs provided by you.
>
> >
>
> > The question exist here is how and when to incorporate the teaching of
>
> > other system of medicine. at the time of UG education or some specialised
>
> > courses.
>
> >
>
> > Please emphasise this issue.
>
> >
>
> > With regards,
>
> >
>
> >
>
> > On 7/17/09, gajjarbm <gajjarbm@ .> wrote:
>
> > >
>
> > >
>
> > >
>
> > > Dear Dr. Anand,
>
> > > Again one nice topic for discussion.
>
> > > In all systems of medicines, basic subjects like Anatomy, Physiology,
>
> > > Pathology, Microbiology, Biochemistry are taught.
>
> > > Only difference is in the teaching of 'PHARMACOTHERAPEUTI CS'.
>
> > > Therapeutic part in Ayurveda, Homeopathy and Modern Pharmacology differ in
>
> > > principles.
>
> > > Modern medicines also have medicines obtained from plants, like digoxin,
>
> > > atropine, quinine etc.
>
> > > Therefore cross curriculum development is not so difficult.
>
> > > Each system would teach its own therapeutics in detail plus basic
>
> > > principles of other systems.
>
> > > Such type of trained doctors would practice their systems primarily, with
>
> > > support from other systems when and where needed for ultimate benefit of
>
> > > patients.
>
> > > Bharat Gajjar.
>
> > >
>
> > >
>
> > >
>
> >
>
> >
>
> >
>
> > --
>
> > Anand Chaudhary
>
> > Deptt of Rasa Shastra
>
> > (Ayurvedic Pharmaceutics)
>
> > Faculty of Ayuveda
>
> > Institute of Medical Sciences
>
> > Banaras Hindu University
>
> > VARANASI 221005
>
> > Cell 9452074480
>
> > 9889863866
>
> > 0542-2366900( R)
>
> >
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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#7981 From: "Dr. Keshetti Srisailam" <ksrisailam@...>
Date: Fri Jul 17, 2009 12:11 pm
Subject: Re: Re: Cross curriculum for different systems of medicines
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Dear Dr. Anupama
In my opinion, it should be made mandatory rather than optional subjects
Just take an example of a patient under Ayurvedic treatment, goes to allopathic doctor in medical emergency
The allopathic doctor must be aware of the patient's existing medication i.e., ayurvedic medicines the patient taking already
Hence it should be made mandatory to study all other systems of medicine in the final year of UG
I dont say exactly, to what extent it is possible.
Dr. Srisailam

--- On Fri, 17/7/09, anupama sukhlecha <anupama_acad@...> wrote:

From: anupama sukhlecha <anupama_acad@...>
Subject: Re: [netrum] Re: Cross curriculum for different systems of medicines
To: netrum@yahoogroups.com
Date: Friday, 17 July, 2009, 5:28 PM

 

Dear Dr Anand,
   In school class X exam we have an optional paper like Sanskrit, foreign language etc. Similarly, in final year of MBBS/ BAMS/BHMS , we can have an optional paper of our choice like Alternative medicine, Accupressure, Chinese medicine etc so that we can have an idea of other systems of medicine being practiced in different parts of the world.

Anupama

--- On Fri, 17/7/09, Dr. Keshetti Srisailam <ksrisailam@yahoo. com> wrote:

From: Dr. Keshetti Srisailam <ksrisailam@yahoo. com>
Subject: Re: [netrum] Re: Cross curriculum for different systems of medicines
To: netrum@yahoogroups. com
Date: Friday, 17 July, 2009, 4:32 PM

 

Dear members
I do agree with Dr. Bharat
A subject on alternative therapies should be introduced in the final year of UG, because one may practice after UG.
It is not wise to fit into PG curriculum as one may stop his/her education at UG.
The subject may be 'Alternative Therapeutics' as suggested by Dr. Bharat, or it may be 'Alternative Therapies'
Dr. Srisailam


--- On Fri, 17/7/09, gajjarbm <gajjarbm@yahoo. com> wrote:

From: gajjarbm <gajjarbm@yahoo. com>
Subject: [netrum] Re: Cross curriculum for different systems of medicines
To: netrum@yahoogroups. com
Date: Friday, 17 July, 2009, 4:09 PM

 

Dear Dr. Anand,
Of course,at UG level.
In the last year of any system, we may introduce such course/subject.
One subject may be added in the last year-subject title may be e.g.-'Alternative Therapeutics' .
Bharat.

--- In netrum@yahoogroups. com, Anand Chaudhary <ayurasabhaishja@ ...> wrote:
>
> Thanks Sir
>
> I do agree with the inputs provided by you.
>
> The question exist here is how and when to incorporate the teaching of
> other system of medicine. at the time of UG education or some specialised
> courses.
>
> Please emphasise this issue.
>
> With regards,
>
>
> On 7/17/09, gajjarbm <gajjarbm@.. .> wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > Dear Dr. Anand,
> > Again one nice topic for discussion.
> > In all systems of medicines, basic subjects like Anatomy, Physiology,
> > Pathology, Microbiology, Biochemistry are taught.
> > Only difference is in the teaching of 'PHARMACOTHERAPEUTI CS'.
> > Therapeutic part in Ayurveda, Homeopathy and Modern Pharmacology differ in
> > principles.
> > Modern medicines also have medicines obtained from plants, like digoxin,
> > atropine, quinine etc.
> > Therefore cross curriculum development is not so difficult.
> > Each system would teach its own therapeutics in detail plus basic
> > principles of other systems.
> > Such type of trained doctors would practice their systems primarily, with
> > support from other systems when and where needed for ultimate benefit of
> > patients.
> > Bharat Gajjar.
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
> --
> Anand Chaudhary
> Deptt of Rasa Shastra
> (Ayurvedic Pharmaceutics)
> Faculty of Ayuveda
> Institute of Medical Sciences
> Banaras Hindu University
> VARANASI 221005
> Cell 9452074480
> 9889863866
> 0542-2366900( R)
>



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#7982 From: Anand Chaudhary <ayurasabhaishja@...>
Date: Sat Jul 18, 2009 2:24 am
Subject: Re: Re: Cross curriculum for different systems of medicines
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Dear All
 
Of course our discussion is pointing out some suggestions which needs more proper scrutiny at larger scale.
 
Optional or compulsory,We may opt one alternative therapy.Again the fact which will disturb any medical/ayurvedic/Homeopathy college
i.e. arrangement and management of faculty of optional/compulsory subjects of therapeutics as suggested by learned members.
 
Before these practical problems ,one has to to pursue  respective regulatory bodies such as MCI,CCIM,PCI etc to incorporate these significant and pressing changes.
 
If in next couple of days we will be to generate more concrete ideas on this issue we may request our group owner Dr Vijay Thawani to send a resolution to concern parties of regulation.This is fortunate that currently all regulatory bodies are supposed to be one as stated by Hon Minister of Health ,GOI.Perhaps if this time we will work out it may be materialised.
 
One unique phenomenon is going on in BHU ,here M D (Ayu) degree is admissible to MBBS.Every year more than 90 candidates apply and got admission in this course.One seat is earmarked for them in every specialised discipline of PG course of Ayurveda for the graduates having MBBS degree.CCIM is pressing hard to closed down this pattern.But BHU is running this under its autonomous privilege.
 
In fact,the internal faculty of ayurveda is also not to much satisfied  with this course as every MBBS graduate had/has sought admission in clinical branches of ayurveda and after completion they do practice as MD not MD (Ayu).None of  our MBBS fellow expressed their desire to work in non clinical branches of Ayurveda.It simply means it is a backdoor entry for clinical branches for those who failed in their main stream.It is matter of consolation for us that they study ayurvedic concepts for their first and final year examination.
 
There fore Madam /Sir we look forward for more rationality in this approach.
 
 
 
I do believe more ideas will pour in coming hrs. 
 
With regards,
On Fri, Jul 17, 2009 at 5:41 PM, Dr. Keshetti Srisailam <ksrisailam@...> wrote:
 

Dear Dr. Anupama
In my opinion, it should be made mandatory rather than optional subjects
Just take an example of a patient under Ayurvedic treatment, goes to allopathic doctor in medical emergency
The allopathic doctor must be aware of the patient's existing medication i.e., ayurvedic medicines the patient taking already
Hence it should be made mandatory to study all other systems of medicine in the final year of UG
I dont say exactly, to what extent it is possible.
Dr. Srisailam

--- On Fri, 17/7/09, anupama sukhlecha <anupama_acad@...> wrote:

From: anupama sukhlecha <anupama_acad@...>
Subject: Re: [netrum] Re: Cross curriculum for different systems of medicines
To: netrum@yahoogroups.com
Date: Friday, 17 July, 2009, 5:28 PM

 

Dear Dr Anand,
   In school class X exam we have an optional paper like Sanskrit, foreign language etc. Similarly, in final year of MBBS/ BAMS/BHMS , we can have an optional paper of our choice like Alternative medicine, Accupressure, Chinese medicine etc so that we can have an idea of other systems of medicine being practiced in different parts of the world.

Anupama

--- On Fri, 17/7/09, Dr. Keshetti Srisailam <ksrisailam@yahoo. com> wrote:

From: Dr. Keshetti Srisailam <ksrisailam@yahoo. com>
Subject: Re: [netrum] Re: Cross curriculum for different systems of medicines
To: netrum@yahoogroups. com
Date: Friday, 17 July, 2009, 4:32 PM

 

Dear members
I do agree with Dr. Bharat
A subject on alternative therapies should be introduced in the final year of UG, because one may practice after UG.
It is not wise to fit into PG curriculum as one may stop his/her education at UG.
The subject may be 'Alternative Therapeutics' as suggested by Dr. Bharat, or it may be 'Alternative Therapies'
Dr. Srisailam


--- On Fri, 17/7/09, gajjarbm <gajjarbm@yahoo. com> wrote:

From: gajjarbm <gajjarbm@yahoo. com>
Subject: [netrum] Re: Cross curriculum for different systems of medicines
To: netrum@yahoogroups. com
Date: Friday, 17 July, 2009, 4:09 PM

 

Dear Dr. Anand,
Of course,at UG level.
In the last year of any system, we may introduce such course/subject.
One subject may be added in the last year-subject title may be e.g.-'Alternative Therapeutics' .
Bharat.

--- In netrum@yahoogroups. com, Anand Chaudhary <ayurasabhaishja@ ...> wrote:
>
> Thanks Sir
>
> I do agree with the inputs provided by you.
>
> The question exist here is how and when to incorporate the teaching of
> other system of medicine. at the time of UG education or some specialised
> courses.
>
> Please emphasise this issue.
>
> With regards,
>
>
> On 7/17/09, gajjarbm <gajjarbm@.. .> wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > Dear Dr. Anand,
> > Again one nice topic for discussion.
> > In all systems of medicines, basic subjects like Anatomy, Physiology,
> > Pathology, Microbiology, Biochemistry are taught.
> > Only difference is in the teaching of 'PHARMACOTHERAPEUTI CS'.
> > Therapeutic part in Ayurveda, Homeopathy and Modern Pharmacology differ in
> > principles.
> > Modern medicines also have medicines obtained from plants, like digoxin,
> > atropine, quinine etc.
> > Therefore cross curriculum development is not so difficult.
> > Each system would teach its own therapeutics in detail plus basic
> > principles of other systems.
> > Such type of trained doctors would practice their systems primarily, with
> > support from other systems when and where needed for ultimate benefit of
> > patients.
> > Bharat Gajjar.
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
> --
> Anand Chaudhary
> Deptt of Rasa Shastra
> (Ayurvedic Pharmaceutics)
> Faculty of Ayuveda
> Institute of Medical Sciences
> Banaras Hindu University
> VARANASI 221005
> Cell 9452074480
> 9889863866
> 0542-2366900( R)
>



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Banaras Hindu University
VARANASI 221005
Cell 9452074480
9889863866
0542-2366900(R)

#7985 From: "Vijay" <drvijaythawani@...>
Date: Sat Jul 18, 2009 10:50 am
Subject: Re: Cross curriculum for different systems of medicines
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Hi,
Ensure that you send me the final draft. I will do what the group members desire
from me.
Vijay
--- In netrum@yahoogroups.com, Anand Chaudhary <ayurasabhaishja@...> wrote:
>
> Dear All
>
> Of course our discussion is pointing out some suggestions which needs more
> proper scrutiny at larger scale.
>
> Optional or compulsory,We may opt one alternative therapy.Again the fact
> which will disturb any medical/ayurvedic/Homeopathy college
> i.e. arrangement and management of faculty of optional/compulsory subjects
> of therapeutics as suggested by learned members.
>
> Before these practical problems ,one has to to pursue respective regulatory
> bodies such as MCI,CCIM,PCI etc to incorporate these significant and
> pressing changes.
>
> If in next couple of days we will be to generate more concrete ideas on this
> issue we may request our group owner Dr Vijay Thawani to send a resolution
> to concern parties of regulation.This is fortunate that currently all
> regulatory bodies are supposed to be one as stated by Hon Minister of Health
> ,GOI.Perhaps if this time we will work out it may be materialised.
>
> One unique phenomenon is going on in BHU ,here M D (Ayu) degree is
> admissible to MBBS.Every year more than 90 candidates apply and got
> admission in this course.One seat is earmarked for them in every specialised
> discipline of PG course of Ayurveda for the graduates having MBBS
> degree.CCIM is pressing hard to closed down this pattern.But BHU is running
> this under its autonomous privilege.
>
> In fact,the internal faculty of ayurveda is also not to much satisfied with
> this course as every MBBS graduate had/has sought admission in clinical
> branches of ayurveda and after completion they do practice as MD not MD
> (Ayu).None of our MBBS fellow expressed their desire to work in non
> clinical branches of Ayurveda.It simply means it is a backdoor entry for
> clinical branches for those who failed in their main stream.It is matter of
> consolation for us that they study ayurvedic concepts for their first and
> final year examination.
>
> There fore Madam /Sir we look forward for more rationality in this approach.
>
>
>
> I do believe more ideas will pour in coming hrs.
>
> With regards,
> On Fri, Jul 17, 2009 at 5:41 PM, Dr. Keshetti Srisailam <
> ksrisailam@...> wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > Dear Dr. Anupama
> > In my opinion, it should be made mandatory rather than optional subjects
> > Just take an example of a patient under Ayurvedic treatment, goes to
> > allopathic doctor in medical emergency
> > The allopathic doctor must be aware of the patient's existing medication
> > i.e., ayurvedic medicines the patient taking already
> > Hence it should be made mandatory to study all other systems of medicine in
> > the final year of UG
> > I dont say exactly, to what extent it is possible.
> > Dr. Srisailam
> >
> > --- On *Fri, 17/7/09, anupama sukhlecha <anupama_acad@...>* wrote:
> >
> >
> > From: anupama sukhlecha <anupama_acad@...>
> > Subject: Re: [netrum] Re: Cross curriculum for different systems of
> > medicines
> > To: netrum@yahoogroups.com
> > Date: Friday, 17 July, 2009, 5:28 PM
> >
> >
> >
> > Dear Dr Anand,
> > In school class X exam we have an optional paper like Sanskrit, foreign
> > language etc. Similarly, in final year of MBBS/ BAMS/BHMS , we can have an
> > optional paper of our choice like Alternative medicine, Accupressure,
> > Chinese medicine etc so that we can have an idea of other systems of
> > medicine being practiced in different parts of the world.
> >
> > Anupama
> >
> > --- On *Fri, 17/7/09, Dr. Keshetti Srisailam <ksrisailam@yahoo. com>*wrote:
> >
> >
> > From: Dr. Keshetti Srisailam <ksrisailam@yahoo. com>
> > Subject: Re: [netrum] Re: Cross curriculum for different systems of
> > medicines
> > To: netrum@yahoogroups. com
> > Date: Friday, 17 July, 2009, 4:32 PM
> >
> >
> >
> > Dear members
> > I do agree with Dr. Bharat
> > A subject on alternative therapies should be introduced in the final year
> > of UG, because one may practice after UG.
> > It is not wise to fit into PG curriculum as one may stop his/her education
> > at UG.
> > The subject may be 'Alternative Therapeutics' as suggested by Dr. Bharat,
> > or it may be 'Alternative Therapies'
> > Dr. Srisailam
> >
> >
> > --- On *Fri, 17/7/09, gajjarbm <gajjarbm@yahoo. com>* wrote:
> >
> >
> > From: gajjarbm <gajjarbm@yahoo. com>
> > Subject: [netrum] Re: Cross curriculum for different systems of medicines
> > To: netrum@yahoogroups. com
> > Date: Friday, 17 July, 2009, 4:09 PM
> >
> >
> >
> > Dear Dr. Anand,
> > Of course,at UG level.
> > In the last year of any system, we may introduce such course/subject.
> > One subject may be added in the last year-subject title may be
> > e.g.-'Alternative Therapeutics' .
> > Bharat.
> >
> > --- In netrum@yahoogroups. com, Anand Chaudhary <ayurasabhaishja@ ...>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > Thanks Sir
> > >
> > > I do agree with the inputs provided by you.
> > >
> > > The question exist here is how and when to incorporate the teaching of
> > > other system of medicine. at the time of UG education or some specialised
> > > courses.
> > >
> > > Please emphasise this issue.
> > >
> > > With regards,
> > >
> > >
> > > On 7/17/09, gajjarbm <gajjarbm@ .> wrote:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Dear Dr. Anand,
> > > > Again one nice topic for discussion.
> > > > In all systems of medicines, basic subjects like Anatomy, Physiology,
> > > > Pathology, Microbiology, Biochemistry are taught.
> > > > Only difference is in the teaching of 'PHARMACOTHERAPEUTI CS'.
> > > > Therapeutic part in Ayurveda, Homeopathy and Modern Pharmacology differ
> > in
> > > > principles.
> > > > Modern medicines also have medicines obtained from plants, like
> > digoxin,
> > > > atropine, quinine etc.
> > > > Therefore cross curriculum development is not so difficult.
> > > > Each system would teach its own therapeutics in detail plus basic
> > > > principles of other systems.
> > > > Such type of trained doctors would practice their systems primarily,
> > with
> > > > support from other systems when and where needed for ultimate benefit
> > of
> > > > patients.
> > > > Bharat Gajjar.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > Anand Chaudhary
> > > Deptt of Rasa Shastra
> > > (Ayurvedic Pharmaceutics)
> > > Faculty of Ayuveda
> > > Institute of Medical Sciences
> > > Banaras Hindu University
> > > VARANASI 221005
> > > Cell 9452074480
> > > 9889863866
> > > 0542-2366900( R)
> > >
> >
> >
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> (Ayurvedic Pharmaceutics)
> Faculty of Ayuveda
> Institute of Medical Sciences
> Banaras Hindu University
> VARANASI 221005
> Cell 9452074480
> 9889863866
> 0542-2366900(R)
>





#7988 From: Anand Chaudhary <ayurasabhaishja@...>
Date: Sun Jul 19, 2009 7:10 am
Subject: Re: Re: Cross curriculum for different systems of medicines
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Dear All
 
Final draft will be on consensus among us.
 
Telephone call from Yavatmal was encouraging for us.
 
Dr Sisali words neighbouring systems are touching and factual.
 
It seems that majority need cross curriculum.
 
Wait for more posting.
 
With regards,
 


 
On Sat, Jul 18, 2009 at 4:20 PM, Vijay <drvijaythawani@...> wrote:
 

Hi,
Ensure that you send me the final draft. I will do what the group members desire from me.
Vijay


--- In netrum@yahoogroups.com, Anand Chaudhary <ayurasabhaishja@...> wrote:
>
> Dear All
>
> Of course our discussion is pointing out some suggestions which needs more
> proper scrutiny at larger scale.
>
> Optional or compulsory,We may opt one alternative therapy.Again the fact
> which will disturb any medical/ayurvedic/Homeopathy college
> i.e. arrangement and management of faculty of optional/compulsory subjects
> of therapeutics as suggested by learned members.
>
> Before these practical problems ,one has to to pursue respective regulatory
> bodies such as MCI,CCIM,PCI etc to incorporate these significant and
> pressing changes.
>
> If in next couple of days we will be to generate more concrete ideas on this
> issue we may request our group owner Dr Vijay Thawani to send a resolution
> to concern parties of regulation.This is fortunate that currently all
> regulatory bodies are supposed to be one as stated by Hon Minister of Health
> ,GOI.Perhaps if this time we will work out it may be materialised.
>
> One unique phenomenon is going on in BHU ,here M D (Ayu) degree is
> admissible to MBBS.Every year more than 90 candidates apply and got
> admission in this course.One seat is earmarked for them in every specialised
> discipline of PG course of Ayurveda for the graduates having MBBS
> degree.CCIM is pressing hard to closed down this pattern.But BHU is running
> this under its autonomous privilege.
>
> In fact,the internal faculty of ayurveda is also not to much satisfied with
> this course as every MBBS graduate had/has sought admission in clinical
> branches of ayurveda and after completion they do practice as MD not MD
> (Ayu).None of our MBBS fellow expressed their desire to work in non
> clinical branches of Ayurveda.It simply means it is a backdoor entry for
> clinical branches for those who failed in their main stream.It is matter of
> consolation for us that they study ayurvedic concepts for their first and
> final year examination.
>
> There fore Madam /Sir we look forward for more rationality in this approach.
>
>
>
> I do believe more ideas will pour in coming hrs.
>
> With regards,
> On Fri, Jul 17, 2009 at 5:41 PM, Dr. Keshetti Srisailam <
> ksrisailam@...> wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > Dear Dr. Anupama
> > In my opinion, it should be made mandatory rather than optional subjects
> > Just take an example of a patient under Ayurvedic treatment, goes to
> > allopathic doctor in medical emergency
> > The allopathic doctor must be aware of the patient's existing medication
> > i.e., ayurvedic medicines the patient taking already
> > Hence it should be made mandatory to study all other systems of medicine in
> > the final year of UG
> > I dont say exactly, to what extent it is possible.
> > Dr. Srisailam
> >
> > --- On *Fri, 17/7/09, anupama sukhlecha <anupama_acad@...>* wrote:
> >
> >
> > From: anupama sukhlecha <anupama_acad@...>

> > Subject: Re: [netrum] Re: Cross curriculum for different systems of
> > medicines
> > To: netrum@yahoogroups.com
> > Date: Friday, 17 July, 2009, 5:28 PM
> >
> >
> >
> > Dear Dr Anand,
> > In school class X exam we have an optional paper like Sanskrit, foreign
> > language etc. Similarly, in final year of MBBS/ BAMS/BHMS , we can have an
> > optional paper of our choice like Alternative medicine, Accupressure,
> > Chinese medicine etc so that we can have an idea of other systems of
> > medicine being practiced in different parts of the world.
> >
> > Anupama
> >
> > --- On *Fri, 17/7/09, Dr. Keshetti Srisailam <ksrisailam@yahoo. com>*wrote:
> >
> >
> > From: Dr. Keshetti Srisailam <ksrisailam@yahoo. com>
> > Subject: Re: [netrum] Re: Cross curriculum for different systems of
> > medicines
> > To: netrum@yahoogroups. com
> > Date: Friday, 17 July, 2009, 4:32 PM
> >
> >
> >
> > Dear members
> > I do agree with Dr. Bharat
> > A subject on alternative therapies should be introduced in the final year
> > of UG, because one may practice after UG.
> > It is not wise to fit into PG curriculum as one may stop his/her education
> > at UG.
> > The subject may be 'Alternative Therapeutics' as suggested by Dr. Bharat,
> > or it may be 'Alternative Therapies'
> > Dr. Srisailam
> >
> >
> > --- On *Fri, 17/7/09, gajjarbm <gajjarbm@yahoo. com>* wrote:
> >
> >
> > From: gajjarbm <gajjarbm@yahoo. com>
> > Subject: [netrum] Re: Cross curriculum for different systems of medicines
> > To: netrum@yahoogroups. com
> > Date: Friday, 17 July, 2009, 4:09 PM
> >
> >
> >
> > Dear Dr. Anand,
> > Of course,at UG level.
> > In the last year of any system, we may introduce such course/subject.
> > One subject may be added in the last year-subject title may be
> > e.g.-'Alternative Therapeutics' .
> > Bharat.
> >
> > --- In netrum@yahoogroups. com, Anand Chaudhary <ayurasabhaishja@ ...>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > Thanks Sir
> > >
> > > I do agree with the inputs provided by you.
> > >
> > > The question exist here is how and when to incorporate the teaching of
> > > other system of medicine. at the time of UG education or some specialised
> > > courses.
> > >
> > > Please emphasise this issue.
> > >
> > > With regards,
> > >
> > >
> > > On 7/17/09, gajjarbm <gajjarbm@ .> wrote:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Dear Dr. Anand,
> > > > Again one nice topic for discussion.
> > > > In all systems of medicines, basic subjects like Anatomy, Physiology,
> > > > Pathology, Microbiology, Biochemistry are taught.
> > > > Only difference is in the teaching of 'PHARMACOTHERAPEUTI CS'.
> > > > Therapeutic part in Ayurveda, Homeopathy and Modern Pharmacology differ
> > in
> > > > principles.
> > > > Modern medicines also have medicines obtained from plants, like
> > digoxin,
> > > > atropine, quinine etc.
> > > > Therefore cross curriculum development is not so difficult.
> > > > Each system would teach its own therapeutics in detail plus basic
> > > > principles of other systems.
> > > > Such type of trained doctors would practice their systems primarily,
> > with
> > > > support from other systems when and where needed for ultimate benefit
> > of
> > > > patients.
> > > > Bharat Gajjar.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > Anand Chaudhary
> > > Deptt of Rasa Shastra
> > > (Ayurvedic Pharmaceutics)
> > > Faculty of Ayuveda
> > > Institute of Medical Sciences
> > > Banaras Hindu University
> > > VARANASI 221005
> > > Cell 9452074480
> > > 9889863866
> > > 0542-2366900( R)
> > >
> >
> >
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> (Ayurvedic Pharmaceutics)
> Faculty of Ayuveda
> Institute of Medical Sciences
> Banaras Hindu University
> VARANASI 221005
> Cell 9452074480
> 9889863866
> 0542-2366900(R)
>




--
Anand Chaudhary
Deptt of Rasa Shastra
(Ayurvedic Pharmaceutics)
Faculty of Ayuveda
Institute of Medical Sciences
Banaras Hindu University
VARANASI 221005
Cell 9452074480
9889863866
0542-2366900(R)

#7983 From: anupama sukhlecha <anupama_acad@...>
Date: Sat Jul 18, 2009 6:02 am
Subject: Re: Re: Cross curriculum for different systems of medicines
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Dear Dr Anand,
  Designing such a curriculum will be a tough job. We should have evidence that there are no clinical interactions of drugs between different systems of medicines. Patients can accept dying because of disease but not because of medicines to treat the disease.

Anupama

--- On Fri, 17/7/09, Dr. Keshetti Srisailam <ksrisailam@...> wrote:

From: Dr. Keshetti Srisailam <ksrisailam@...>
Subject: Re: [netrum] Re: Cross curriculum for different systems of medicines
To: netrum@yahoogroups.com
Date: Friday, 17 July, 2009, 5:41 PM

 

Dear Dr. Anupama
In my opinion, it should be made mandatory rather than optional subjects
Just take an example of a patient under Ayurvedic treatment, goes to allopathic doctor in medical emergency
The allopathic doctor must be aware of the patient's existing medication i.e., ayurvedic medicines the patient taking already
Hence it should be made mandatory to study all other systems of medicine in the final year of UG
I dont say exactly, to what extent it is possible.
Dr. Srisailam

--- On Fri, 17/7/09, anupama sukhlecha <anupama_acad@ yahoo.co. in> wrote:

From: anupama sukhlecha <anupama_acad@ yahoo.co. in>
Subject: Re: [netrum] Re: Cross curriculum for different systems of medicines
To: netrum@yahoogroups. com
Date: Friday, 17 July, 2009, 5:28 PM

 

Dear Dr Anand,
   In school class X exam we have an optional paper like Sanskrit, foreign language etc. Similarly, in final year of MBBS/ BAMS/BHMS , we can have an optional paper of our choice like Alternative medicine, Accupressure, Chinese medicine etc so that we can have an idea of other systems of medicine being practiced in different parts of the world.

Anupama

--- On Fri, 17/7/09, Dr. Keshetti Srisailam <ksrisailam@yahoo. com> wrote:

From: Dr. Keshetti Srisailam <ksrisailam@yahoo. com>
Subject: Re: [netrum] Re: Cross curriculum for different systems of medicines
To: netrum@yahoogroups. com
Date: Friday, 17 July, 2009, 4:32 PM

 

Dear members
I do agree with Dr. Bharat
A subject on alternative therapies should be introduced in the final year of UG, because one may practice after UG.
It is not wise to fit into PG curriculum as one may stop his/her education at UG.
The subject may be 'Alternative Therapeutics' as suggested by Dr. Bharat, or it may be 'Alternative Therapies'
Dr. Srisailam


--- On Fri, 17/7/09, gajjarbm <gajjarbm@yahoo. com> wrote:

From: gajjarbm <gajjarbm@yahoo. com>
Subject: [netrum] Re: Cross curriculum for different systems of medicines
To: netrum@yahoogroups. com
Date: Friday, 17 July, 2009, 4:09 PM

 

Dear Dr. Anand,
Of course,at UG level.
In the last year of any system, we may introduce such course/subject.
One subject may be added in the last year-subject title may be e.g.-'Alternative Therapeutics' .
Bharat.

--- In netrum@yahoogroups. com, Anand Chaudhary <ayurasabhaishja@ ...> wrote:
>
> Thanks Sir
>
> I do agree with the inputs provided by you.
>
> The question exist here is how and when to incorporate the teaching of
> other system of medicine. at the time of UG education or some specialised
> courses.
>
> Please emphasise this issue.
>
> With regards,
>
>
> On 7/17/09, gajjarbm <gajjarbm@.. .> wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > Dear Dr. Anand,
> > Again one nice topic for discussion.
> > In all systems of medicines, basic subjects like Anatomy, Physiology,
> > Pathology, Microbiology, Biochemistry are taught.
> > Only difference is in the teaching of 'PHARMACOTHERAPEUTI CS'.
> > Therapeutic part in Ayurveda, Homeopathy and Modern Pharmacology differ in
> > principles.
> > Modern medicines also have medicines obtained from plants, like digoxin,
> > atropine, quinine etc.
> > Therefore cross curriculum development is not so difficult.
> > Each system would teach its own therapeutics in detail plus basic
> > principles of other systems.
> > Such type of trained doctors would practice their systems primarily, with
> > support from other systems when and where needed for ultimate benefit of
> > patients.
> > Bharat Gajjar.
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
> --
> Anand Chaudhary
> Deptt of Rasa Shastra
> (Ayurvedic Pharmaceutics)
> Faculty of Ayuveda
> Institute of Medical Sciences
> Banaras Hindu University
> VARANASI 221005
> Cell 9452074480
> 9889863866
> 0542-2366900( R)
>



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#7984 From: "Dr. Keshetti Srisailam" <ksrisailam@...>
Date: Sat Jul 18, 2009 6:54 am
Subject: Re: Re: Cross curriculum for different systems of medicines
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Dear Dr. Anupama
Yes, it is difficult to know the clinical interactions of drugs between
different systems of medicine
However, having an idea of 'neighbour systems' is of considerable importance to
a physician to practice his own system
For example consider an example of a hypertensive patient under allopathic
treatment goes to an ayurvedic physician for treatment of any other new health
problem.
If the ayurvedic physician have sufficient knowledge on allopathic system, he
avoid prescribing drugs that cause hypotension or hypertension as their side
effect. These drugs may not be a problematic in non hypertensive patients.
Dr. Srisailam




Dear Dr Anand,
  Designing such a curriculum will be a tough job. We should have evidence that
there are no clinical interactions of drugs between different systems of
medicines. Patients can accept dying because of disease but not because of
medicines to treat the disease.

Anupama

--- On Fri, 17/7/09, Dr. Keshetti Srisailam <ksrisailam@yahoo. com> wrote:


From: Dr. Keshetti Srisailam <ksrisailam@yahoo. com>
Subject: Re: [netrum] Re: Cross curriculum for different systems of medicines
To: netrum@yahoogroups. com
Date: Friday, 17 July, 2009, 5:41 PM


 





Dear Dr. Anupama
In my opinion, it should be made mandatory rather than optional subjects
Just take an example of a patient under Ayurvedic treatment, goes to allopathic
doctor in medical emergency
The allopathic doctor must be aware of the patient's existing medication i.e.,
ayurvedic medicines the patient taking already
Hence it should be made mandatory to study all other systems of medicine in the
final year of UG
I dont say exactly, to what extent it is possible.
Dr. Srisailam

--- On Fri, 17/7/09, anupama sukhlecha <anupama_acad@ yahoo.co. in> wrote:


From: anupama sukhlecha <anupama_acad@ yahoo.co. in>
Subject: Re: [netrum] Re: Cross curriculum for different systems of medicines
To: netrum@yahoogroups. com
Date: Friday, 17 July, 2009, 5:28 PM


 





Dear Dr Anand,
   In school class X exam we have an optional paper like Sanskrit, foreign
language etc. Similarly, in final year of MBBS/ BAMS/BHMS , we can have an
optional paper of our choice like Alternative medicine, Accupressure, Chinese
medicine etc so that we can have an idea of other systems of medicine being
practiced in different parts of the world.

Anupama

--- On Fri, 17/7/09, Dr. Keshetti Srisailam <ksrisailam@yahoo. com> wrote:


From: Dr. Keshetti Srisailam <ksrisailam@yahoo. com>
Subject: Re: [netrum] Re: Cross curriculum for different systems of medicines
To: netrum@yahoogroups. com
Date: Friday, 17 July, 2009, 4:32 PM


 





Dear members
I do agree with Dr. Bharat
A subject on alternative therapies should be introduced in the final year of UG,
because one may practice after UG.
It is not wise to fit into PG curriculum as one may stop his/her education at
UG.
The subject may be 'Alternative Therapeutics' as suggested by Dr. Bharat, or it
may be 'Alternative Therapies'
Dr. Srisailam


--- On Fri, 17/7/09, gajjarbm <gajjarbm@yahoo. com> wrote:


From: gajjarbm <gajjarbm@yahoo. com>
Subject: [netrum] Re: Cross curriculum for different systems of medicines
To: netrum@yahoogroups. com
Date: Friday, 17 July, 2009, 4:09 PM


 

Dear Dr. Anand,
Of course,at UG level.
In the last year of any system, we may introduce such course/subject.
One subject may be added in the last year-subject title may be e.g.-'Alternative
Therapeutics' .
Bharat.

--- In netrum@yahoogroups. com, Anand Chaudhary <ayurasabhaishja@ ...> wrote:
>
> Thanks Sir
>
> I do agree with the inputs provided by you.
>
> The question exist here is how and when to incorporate the teaching of
> other system of medicine. at the time of UG education or some specialised
> courses.
>
> Please emphasise this issue.
>
> With regards,
>
>
> On 7/17/09, gajjarbm <gajjarbm@.. .> wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > Dear Dr. Anand,
> > Again one nice topic for discussion.
> > In all systems of medicines, basic subjects like Anatomy, Physiology,
> > Pathology, Microbiology, Biochemistry are taught.
> > Only difference is in the teaching of 'PHARMACOTHERAPEUTI CS'.
> > Therapeutic part in Ayurveda, Homeopathy and Modern Pharmacology differ in
> > principles.
> > Modern medicines also have medicines obtained from plants, like digoxin,
> > atropine, quinine etc.
> > Therefore cross curriculum development is not so difficult.
> > Each system would teach its own therapeutics in detail plus basic
> > principles of other systems.
> > Such type of trained doctors would practice their systems primarily, with
> > support from other systems when and where needed for ultimate benefit of
> > patients.
> > Bharat Gajjar.
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
> --
> Anand Chaudhary
> Deptt of Rasa Shastra
> (Ayurvedic Pharmaceutics)
> Faculty of Ayuveda
> Institute of Medical Sciences
> Banaras Hindu University
> VARANASI 221005
> Cell 9452074480
> 9889863866
> 0542-2366900( R)
>




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#7992 From: Bharat Gajjar <gajjarbm@...>
Date: Sun Jul 19, 2009 12:51 pm
Subject: Re: Re: Cross curriculum for different systems of medicines
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Dear Dr. Anand,
I am also in support of developing and implementing cross curriculum.
As I have suggested earlier, one subject on another systems of medicines can be taught in each system of medicine in the last year of undergraduate course.
The subject should be compulsary, not optional.
Students should be examined also in that subject.
I offer my services for development of strategies in this direction.
Bharat.

DR. BHARAT GAJJAR
ASSOCIATE PROFESSOR,
DEPARTMENT OF PHARMACOLOGY,
PRAMUKHSWAMI MEDICAL COLLEGE,
KARAMSAD-388325.
DIST.-ANAND (GUJARAT) INDIA.
MOBILE- 09428153344.


--- On Sun, 7/19/09, Anand Chaudhary <ayurasabhaishja@...> wrote:

From: Anand Chaudhary <ayurasabhaishja@...>
Subject: Re: [netrum] Re: Cross curriculum for different systems of medicines
To: netrum@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sunday, July 19, 2009, 12:40 PM

 
Dear All
 
Final draft will be on consensus among us.
 
Telephone call from Yavatmal was encouraging for us.
 
Dr Sisali words neighbouring systems are touching and factual.
 
It seems that majority need cross curriculum.
 
Wait for more posting.
 
With regards,
 


 
On Sat, Jul 18, 2009 at 4:20 PM, Vijay <drvijaythawani@ yahoo.co. in> wrote:
 
Hi,
Ensure that you send me the final draft. I will do what the group members desire from me.
Vijay

--- In netrum@yahoogroups. com, Anand Chaudhary <ayurasabhaishja@ ...> wrote:
>
> Dear All
>
> Of course our discussion is pointing out some suggestions which needs more
> proper scrutiny at larger scale.
>
> Optional or compulsory,We may opt one alternative therapy.Again the fact
> which will disturb any medical/ayurvedic/ Homeopathy college
> i.e. arrangement and management of faculty of optional/compulsory subjects
> of therapeutics as suggested by learned members.
>
> Before these practical problems ,one has to to pursue respective regulatory
> bodies such as MCI,CCIM,PCI etc to incorporate these significant and
> pressing changes.
>
> If in next couple of days we will be to generate more concrete ideas on this
> issue we may request our group owner Dr Vijay Thawani to send a resolution
> to concern parties of regulation.This is fortunate that currently all
> regulatory bodies are supposed to be one as stated by Hon Minister of Health
> ,GOI.Perhaps if this time we will work out it may be materialised.
>
> One unique phenomenon is going on in BHU ,here M D (Ayu) degree is
> admissible to MBBS.Every year more than 90 candidates apply and got
> admission in this course.One seat is earmarked for them in every specialised
> discipline of PG course of Ayurveda for the graduates having MBBS
> degree.CCIM is pressing hard to closed down this pattern.But BHU is running
> this under its autonomous privilege.
>
> In fact,the internal faculty of ayurveda is also not to much satisfied with
> this course as every MBBS graduate had/has sought admission in clinical
> branches of ayurveda and after completion they do practice as MD not MD
> (Ayu).None of our MBBS fellow expressed their desire to work in non
> clinical branches of Ayurveda.It simply means it is a backdoor entry for
> clinical branches for those who failed in their main stream.It is matter of
> consolation for us that they study ayurvedic concepts for their first and
> final year examination.
>
> There fore Madam /Sir we look forward for more rationality in this approach.
>
>
>
> I do believe more ideas will pour in coming hrs.
>
> With regards,
> On Fri, Jul 17, 2009 at 5:41 PM, Dr. Keshetti Srisailam <
> ksrisailam@. ..> wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > Dear Dr. Anupama
> > In my opinion, it should be made mandatory rather than optional subjects
> > Just take an example of a patient under Ayurvedic treatment, goes to
> > allopathic doctor in medical emergency
> > The allopathic doctor must be aware of the patient's existing medication
> > i.e., ayurvedic medicines the patient taking already
> > Hence it should be made mandatory to study all other systems of medicine in
> > the final year of UG
> > I dont say exactly, to what extent it is possible.
> > Dr. Srisailam
> >
> > --- On *Fri, 17/7/09, anupama sukhlecha <anupama_acad@ ...>* wrote:
> >
> >
> > From: anupama sukhlecha <anupama_acad@ ...>

> > Subject: Re: [netrum] Re: Cross curriculum for different systems of
> > medicines
> > To: netrum@yahoogroups. com
> > Date: Friday, 17 July, 2009, 5:28 PM
> >
> >
> >
> > Dear Dr Anand,
> > In school class X exam we have an optional paper like Sanskrit, foreign
> > language etc. Similarly, in final year of MBBS/ BAMS/BHMS , we can have an
> > optional paper of our choice like Alternative medicine, Accupressure,
> > Chinese medicine etc so that we can have an idea of other systems of
> > medicine being practiced in different parts of the world.
> >
> > Anupama
> >
> > --- On *Fri, 17/7/09, Dr. Keshetti Srisailam <ksrisailam@yahoo. com>*wrote:
> >
> >
> > From: Dr. Keshetti Srisailam <ksrisailam@yahoo. com>
> > Subject: Re: [netrum] Re: Cross curriculum for different systems of
> > medicines
> > To: netrum@yahoogroups. com
> > Date: Friday, 17 July, 2009, 4:32 PM
> >
> >
> >
> > Dear members
> > I do agree with Dr. Bharat
> > A subject on alternative therapies should be introduced in the final year
> > of UG, because one may practice after UG.
> > It is not wise to fit into PG curriculum as one may stop his/her education
> > at UG.
> > The subject may be 'Alternative Therapeutics' as suggested by Dr. Bharat,
> > or it may be 'Alternative Therapies'
> > Dr. Srisailam
> >
> >
> > --- On *Fri, 17/7/09, gajjarbm <gajjarbm@yahoo. com>* wrote:
> >
> >
> > From: gajjarbm <gajjarbm@yahoo. com>
> > Subject: [netrum] Re: Cross curriculum for different systems of medicines
> > To: netrum@yahoogroups. com
> > Date: Friday, 17 July, 2009, 4:09 PM
> >
> >
> >
> > Dear Dr. Anand,
> > Of course,at UG level.
> > In the last year of any system, we may introduce such course/subject.
> > One subject may be added in the last year-subject title may be
> > e.g.-'Alternative Therapeutics' .
> > Bharat.
> >
> > --- In netrum@yahoogroups. com, Anand Chaudhary <ayurasabhaishja@ ...>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > Thanks Sir
> > >
> > > I do agree with the inputs provided by you.
> > >
> > > The question exist here is how and when to incorporate the teaching of
> > > other system of medicine. at the time of UG education or some specialised
> > > courses.
> > >
> > > Please emphasise this issue.
> > >
> > > With regards,
> > >
> > >
> > > On 7/17/09, gajjarbm <gajjarbm@ .> wrote:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Dear Dr. Anand,
> > > > Again one nice topic for discussion.
> > > > In all systems of medicines, basic subjects like Anatomy, Physiology,
> > > > Pathology, Microbiology, Biochemistry are taught.
> > > > Only difference is in the teaching of 'PHARMACOTHERAPEUTI CS'.
> > > > Therapeutic part in Ayurveda, Homeopathy and Modern Pharmacology differ
> > in
> > > > principles.
> > > > Modern medicines also have medicines obtained from plants, like
> > digoxin,
> > > > atropine, quinine etc.
> > > > Therefore cross curriculum development is not so difficult.
> > > > Each system would teach its own therapeutics in detail plus basic
> > > > principles of other systems.
> > > > Such type of trained doctors would practice their systems primarily,
> > with
> > > > support from other systems when and where needed for ultimate benefit
> > of
> > > > patients.
> > > > Bharat Gajjar.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > Anand Chaudhary
> > > Deptt of Rasa Shastra
> > > (Ayurvedic Pharmaceutics)
> > > Faculty of Ayuveda
> > > Institute of Medical Sciences
> > > Banaras Hindu University
> > > VARANASI 221005
> > > Cell 9452074480
> > > 9889863866
> > > 0542-2366900( R)
> > >
> >
> >
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> >
> >
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>
>
> --
> Anand Chaudhary
> Deptt of Rasa Shastra
> (Ayurvedic Pharmaceutics)
> Faculty of Ayuveda
> Institute of Medical Sciences
> Banaras Hindu University
> VARANASI 221005
> Cell 9452074480
> 9889863866
> 0542-2366900( R)
>




--
Anand Chaudhary
Deptt of Rasa Shastra
(Ayurvedic Pharmaceutics)
Faculty of Ayuveda
Institute of Medical Sciences
Banaras Hindu University
VARANASI 221005
Cell 9452074480
9889863866
0542-2366900( R)


#7993 From: Anand Chaudhary <ayurasabhaishja@...>
Date: Mon Jul 20, 2009 2:11 am
Subject: Re: Re: Cross curriculum for different systems of medicines
ayurasabhaishja
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Dear All
 
We welcome  every one who are willing to work for this great cause of nation.
 
As suggested by some members like Dr Kishore that there is need of common teaching of subjects like Anatomy, Bio chemistry, Physiology etc.And Dr Bharat opined about a compulsory subject in final year.Where as Dr Anupama is advocating for optional criteria in curriculum.Dr Sisali and Dr Surendra Kulkarni are favouring reforms at every step where it is utmost needed. Dr Geer and Dr Sanjeev provided their valuable  opinion  and information on integrated curriculum  which invite a wide discussion on the matters.
 
I humbly wish to quote that  20-20 minute telephonic call from Prof Surendra Kulkarni on 18 & 19 July encouraged me.Prof Kulkarni recited sanskrita verses referring a publication of 1977 from KEM Mumbai of Prof Athwale,the than HOD of Paediatrics.This is very fortunate that we have such dedicated members on Netrum.
 
In some cases people suggested that 80:20 ratio is proper for cross curriculum  80% of main system and 20% of alternative therapy in diagnosis and therapeutics. 
 
Once again we request to all members of Netrum and all invited members to  express their worthy opinion  on this issue along with modalities of execution.Whether it is possible that AYUSH colleges will able to get services of Allopathic professionals and Medical colleges will provide an opportunity to AYUSH professionals to register their expertise in their domain. I believe that here is need of vital   support from  regulatory agencies for further proceedings on this theme.
 
 Dear Colleague  we hope that in next 12 hrs ,we will be kind enough on us to think and express ideas on this forum on current theme.
 
With regards,
 
 

 
On 7/19/09, Bharat Gajjar <gajjarbm@...> wrote:
 

Dear Dr. Anand,
I am also in support of developing and implementing cross curriculum.
As I have suggested earlier, one subject on another systems of medicines can be taught in each system of medicine in the last year of undergraduate course.
The subject should be compulsary, not optional.
Students should be examined also in that subject.
I offer my services for development of strategies in this direction.
Bharat.

 
DR. BHARAT GAJJAR
ASSOCIATE PROFESSOR,
DEPARTMENT OF PHARMACOLOGY,
PRAMUKHSWAMI MEDICAL COLLEGE,
KARAMSAD-388325.
DIST.-ANAND (GUJARAT) INDIA.
MOBILE- 09428153344.


--- On Sun, 7/19/09, Anand Chaudhary <ayurasabhaishja@...> wrote:

From: Anand Chaudhary <ayurasabhaishja@...>
Subject: Re: [netrum] Re: Cross curriculum for different systems of medicines
To: netrum@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sunday, July 19, 2009, 12:40 PM

 
Dear All
 
Final draft will be on consensus among us.
 
Telephone call from Yavatmal was encouraging for us.
 
Dr Sisali words neighbouring systems are touching and factual.
 
It seems that majority need cross curriculum.
 
Wait for more posting.
 
With regards,
 


 
On Sat, Jul 18, 2009 at 4:20 PM, Vijay <drvijaythawani@ yahoo.co. in> wrote:
 
Hi,
Ensure that you send me the final draft. I will do what the group members desire from me.
Vijay

--- In netrum@yahoogroups. com, Anand Chaudhary <ayurasabhaishja@ ...> wrote:
>
 
> Dear All
>
> Of course our discussion is pointing out some suggestions which needs more
> proper scrutiny at larger scale.
>
> Optional or compulsory,We may opt one alternative therapy.Again the fact
> which will disturb any medical/ayurvedic/ Homeopathy college
> i.e. arrangement and management of faculty of optional/compulsory subjects
> of therapeutics as suggested by learned members.
>
> Before these practical problems ,one has to to pursue respective regulatory
> bodies such as MCI,CCIM,PCI etc to incorporate these significant and
> pressing changes.
>
> If in next couple of days we will be to generate more concrete ideas on this
> issue we may request our group owner Dr Vijay Thawani to send a resolution
> to concern parties of regulation.This is fortunate that currently all
> regulatory bodies are supposed to be one as stated by Hon Minister of Health
> ,GOI.Perhaps if this time we will work out it may be materialised.
>
> One unique phenomenon is going on in BHU ,here M D (Ayu) degree is
> admissible to MBBS.Every year more than 90 candidates apply and got
> admission in this course.One seat is earmarked for them in every specialised
> discipline of PG course of Ayurveda for the graduates having MBBS
> degree.CCIM is pressing hard to closed down this pattern.But BHU is running
> this under its autonomous privilege.
>
> In fact,the internal faculty of ayurveda is also not to much satisfied with
> this course as every MBBS graduate had/has sought admission in clinical
> branches of ayurveda and after completion they do practice as MD not MD
> (Ayu).None of our MBBS fellow expressed their desire to work in non
> clinical branches of Ayurveda.It simply means it is a backdoor entry for
> clinical branches for those who failed in their main stream.It is matter of
> consolation for us that they study ayurvedic concepts for their first and
> final year examination.
>
> There fore Madam /Sir we look forward for more rationality in this approach.
>
>
>
> I do believe more ideas will pour in coming hrs.
>
> With regards,
> On Fri, Jul 17, 2009 at 5:41 PM, Dr. Keshetti Srisailam <
 
> ksrisailam@. ..> wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > Dear Dr. Anupama
> > In my opinion, it should be made mandatory rather than optional subjects
> > Just take an example of a patient under Ayurvedic treatment, goes to
> > allopathic doctor in medical emergency
> > The allopathic doctor must be aware of the patient's existing medication
> > i.e., ayurvedic medicines the patient taking already
> > Hence it should be made mandatory to study all other systems of medicine in
> > the final year of UG
> > I dont say exactly, to what extent it is possible.
> > Dr. Srisailam
> >
 
> > --- On *Fri, 17/7/09, anupama sukhlecha <anupama_acad@ ...>* wrote:
> >
> >
> > From: anupama sukhlecha <anupama_acad@ ...>

> > Subject: Re: [netrum] Re: Cross curriculum for different systems of
> > medicines
> > To: netrum@yahoogroups. com
> > Date: Friday, 17 July, 2009, 5:28 PM
> >
> >
> >
> > Dear Dr Anand,
> > In school class X exam we have an optional paper like Sanskrit, foreign
> > language etc. Similarly, in final year of MBBS/ BAMS/BHMS , we can have an
> > optional paper of our choice like Alternative medicine, Accupressure,
> > Chinese medicine etc so that we can have an idea of other systems of
> > medicine being practiced in different parts of the world.
> >
> > Anupama
> >
> > --- On *Fri, 17/7/09, Dr. Keshetti Srisailam <ksrisailam@yahoo. com>*wrote:
> >
> >
> > From: Dr. Keshetti Srisailam <ksrisailam@yahoo. com>
> > Subject: Re: [netrum] Re: Cross curriculum for different systems of
> > medicines
> > To: netrum@yahoogroups. com
> > Date: Friday, 17 July, 2009, 4:32 PM
> >
> >
> >
> > Dear members
> > I do agree with Dr. Bharat
> > A subject on alternative therapies should be introduced in the final year
> > of UG, because one may practice after UG.
> > It is not wise to fit into PG curriculum as one may stop his/her education
> > at UG.
> > The subject may be 'Alternative Therapeutics' as suggested by Dr. Bharat,
> > or it may be 'Alternative Therapies'
> > Dr. Srisailam
> >
> >
> > --- On *Fri, 17/7/09, gajjarbm <gajjarbm@yahoo. com>* wrote:
> >
> >
> > From: gajjarbm <gajjarbm@yahoo. com>
> > Subject: [netrum] Re: Cross curriculum for different systems of medicines
> > To: netrum@yahoogroups. com
> > Date: Friday, 17 July, 2009, 4:09 PM
> >
> >
> >
> > Dear Dr. Anand,
> > Of course,at UG level.
> > In the last year of any system, we may introduce such course/subject.
> > One subject may be added in the last year-subject title may be
> > e.g.-'Alternative Therapeutics' .
> > Bharat.
> >
> > --- In netrum@yahoogroups. com, Anand Chaudhary <ayurasabhaishja@ ...>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > Thanks Sir
> > >
> > > I do agree with the inputs provided by you.
> > >
> > > The question exist here is how and when to incorporate the teaching of
> > > other system of medicine. at the time of UG education or some specialised
> > > courses.
> > >
> > > Please emphasise this issue.
> > >
> > > With regards,
> > >
> > >
> > > On 7/17/09, gajjarbm <gajjarbm@ .> wrote:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Dear Dr. Anand,
> > > > Again one nice topic for discussion.
> > > > In all systems of medicines, basic subjects like Anatomy, Physiology,
> > > > Pathology, Microbiology, Biochemistry are taught.
> > > > Only difference is in the teaching of 'PHARMACOTHERAPEUTI CS'.
> > > > Therapeutic part in Ayurveda, Homeopathy and Modern Pharmacology differ
> > in
> > > > principles.
> > > > Modern medicines also have medicines obtained from plants, like
> > digoxin,
> > > > atropine, quinine etc.
> > > > Therefore cross curriculum development is not so difficult.
> > > > Each system would teach its own therapeutics in detail plus basic
> > > > principles of other systems.
> > > > Such type of trained doctors would practice their systems primarily,
> > with
> > > > support from other systems when and where needed for ultimate benefit
> > of
> > > > patients.
> > > > Bharat Gajjar.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > Anand Chaudhary
> > > Deptt of Rasa Shastra
> > > (Ayurvedic Pharmaceutics)
> > > Faculty of Ayuveda
> > > Institute of Medical Sciences
> > > Banaras Hindu University
> > > VARANASI 221005
> > > Cell 9452074480
> > > 9889863866
> > > 0542-2366900( R)
> > >
> >
> >
> > ------------ --------- ---------
> > Get your preferred Email name!
 
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> > Now you can @ymail.com and @rocketmail. com.
> >
> >
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>
 
> --
> Anand Chaudhary
> Deptt of Rasa Shastra
> (Ayurvedic Pharmaceutics)
> Faculty of Ayuveda
> Institute of Medical Sciences
> Banaras Hindu University
> VARANASI 221005
> Cell 9452074480
> 9889863866
> 0542-2366900( R)
>

 



--
Anand Chaudhary
Deptt of Rasa Shastra
(Ayurvedic Pharmaceutics)
Faculty of Ayuveda
Institute of Medical Sciences
Banaras Hindu University
VARANASI 221005
Cell 9452074480
9889863866
0542-2366900( R)




--
Anand Chaudhary
Deptt of Rasa Shastra
(Ayurvedic Pharmaceutics)
Faculty of Ayuveda
Institute of Medical Sciences
Banaras Hindu University
VARANASI 221005
Cell 9452074480
9889863866
0542-2366900(R)

#7994 From: Anand Chaudhary <ayurasabhaishja@...>
Date: Mon Jul 20, 2009 2:15 am
Subject: Re: Re: Cross curriculum for different systems of medicines
ayurasabhaishja
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Dear All
 
Kindly read Dr Srisailam in place of Dr Sisali.I regret the typographical mistake by me.
 
With regards,

 
On 7/20/09, Anand Chaudhary <ayurasabhaishja@...> wrote:
Dear All
 
We welcome  every one who are willing to work for this great cause of nation.
 
As suggested by some members like Dr Kishore that there is need of common teaching of subjects like Anatomy, Bio chemistry, Physiology etc.And Dr Bharat opined about a compulsory subject in final year.Where as Dr Anupama is advocating for optional criteria in curriculum.Dr Sisali and Dr Surendra Kulkarni are favouring reforms at every step where it is utmost needed. Dr Geer and Dr Sanjeev provided their valuable  opinion  and information on integrated curriculum  which invite a wide discussion on the matters.
 
I humbly wish to quote that  20-20 minute telephonic call from Prof Surendra Kulkarni on 18 & 19 July encouraged me.Prof Kulkarni recited sanskrita verses referring a publication of 1977 from KEM Mumbai of Prof Athwale,the than HOD of Paediatrics.This is very fortunate that we have such dedicated members on Netrum.
 
In some cases people suggested that 80:20 ratio is proper for cross curriculum  80% of main system and 20% of alternative therapy in diagnosis and therapeutics. 
 
Once again we request to all members of Netrum and all invited members to  express their worthy opinion  on this issue along with modalities of execution.Whether it is possible that AYUSH colleges will able to get services of Allopathic professionals and Medical colleges will provide an opportunity to AYUSH professionals to register their expertise in their domain. I believe that here is need of vital   support from  regulatory agencies for further proceedings on this theme.
 
 Dear Colleague  we hope that in next 12 hrs ,we will be kind enough on us to think and express ideas on this forum on current theme.
 
With regards,
 
 

 
On 7/19/09, Bharat Gajjar <gajjarbm@...> wrote:
 

Dear Dr. Anand,
I am also in support of developing and implementing cross curriculum.
As I have suggested earlier, one subject on another systems of medicines can be taught in each system of medicine in the last year of undergraduate course.
The subject should be compulsary, not optional.
Students should be examined also in that subject.
I offer my services for development of strategies in this direction.
Bharat.

 
DR. BHARAT GAJJAR
ASSOCIATE PROFESSOR,
DEPARTMENT OF PHARMACOLOGY,
PRAMUKHSWAMI MEDICAL COLLEGE,
KARAMSAD-388325.
DIST.-ANAND (GUJARAT) INDIA.
MOBILE- 09428153344.


--- On Sun, 7/19/09, Anand Chaudhary <ayurasabhaishja@...> wrote:

From: Anand Chaudhary <ayurasabhaishja@...>
Subject: Re: [netrum] Re: Cross curriculum for different systems of medicines
To: netrum@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sunday, July 19, 2009, 12:40 PM

 
Dear All
 
Final draft will be on consensus among us.
 
Telephone call from Yavatmal was encouraging for us.
 
Dr Sisali words neighbouring systems are touching and factual.
 
It seems that majority need cross curriculum.
 
Wait for more posting.
 
With regards,
 


 
On Sat, Jul 18, 2009 at 4:20 PM, Vijay <drvijaythawani@ yahoo.co. in> wrote:
 
Hi,
Ensure that you send me the final draft. I will do what the group members desire from me.
Vijay

--- In netrum@yahoogroups. com, Anand Chaudhary <ayurasabhaishja@ ...> wrote:
>
 
> Dear All
>
> Of course our discussion is pointing out some suggestions which needs more
> proper scrutiny at larger scale.
>
> Optional or compulsory,We may opt one alternative therapy.Again the fact
> which will disturb any medical/ayurvedic/ Homeopathy college
> i.e. arrangement and management of faculty of optional/compulsory subjects
> of therapeutics as suggested by learned members.
>
> Before these practical problems ,one has to to pursue respective regulatory
> bodies such as MCI,CCIM,PCI etc to incorporate these significant and
> pressing changes.
>
> If in next couple of days we will be to generate more concrete ideas on this
> issue we may request our group owner Dr Vijay Thawani to send a resolution
> to concern parties of regulation.This is fortunate that currently all
> regulatory bodies are supposed to be one as stated by Hon Minister of Health
> ,GOI.Perhaps if this time we will work out it may be materialised.
>
> One unique phenomenon is going on in BHU ,here M D (Ayu) degree is
> admissible to MBBS.Every year more than 90 candidates apply and got
> admission in this course.One seat is earmarked for them in every specialised
> discipline of PG course of Ayurveda for the graduates having MBBS
> degree.CCIM is pressing hard to closed down this pattern.But BHU is running
> this under its autonomous privilege.
>
> In fact,the internal faculty of ayurveda is also not to much satisfied with
> this course as every MBBS graduate had/has sought admission in clinical
> branches of ayurveda and after completion they do practice as MD not MD
> (Ayu).None of our MBBS fellow expressed their desire to work in non
> clinical branches of Ayurveda.It simply means it is a backdoor entry for
> clinical branches for those who failed in their main stream.It is matter of
> consolation for us that they study ayurvedic concepts for their first and
> final year examination.
>
> There fore Madam /Sir we look forward for more rationality in this approach.
>
>
>
> I do believe more ideas will pour in coming hrs.
>
> With regards,
> On Fri, Jul 17, 2009 at 5:41 PM, Dr. Keshetti Srisailam <
 
> ksrisailam@. ..> wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > Dear Dr. Anupama
> > In my opinion, it should be made mandatory rather than optional subjects
> > Just take an example of a patient under Ayurvedic treatment, goes to
> > allopathic doctor in medical emergency
> > The allopathic doctor must be aware of the patient's existing medication
> > i.e., ayurvedic medicines the patient taking already
> > Hence it should be made mandatory to study all other systems of medicine in
> > the final year of UG
> > I dont say exactly, to what extent it is possible.
> > Dr. Srisailam
> >
 
> > --- On *Fri, 17/7/09, anupama sukhlecha <anupama_acad@ ...>* wrote:
> >
> >
> > From: anupama sukhlecha <anupama_acad@ ...>

> > Subject: Re: [netrum] Re: Cross curriculum for different systems of
> > medicines
> > To: netrum@yahoogroups. com
> > Date: Friday, 17 July, 2009, 5:28 PM
> >
> >
> >
> > Dear Dr Anand,
> > In school class X exam we have an optional paper like Sanskrit, foreign
> > language etc. Similarly, in final year of MBBS/ BAMS/BHMS , we can have an
> > optional paper of our choice like Alternative medicine, Accupressure,
> > Chinese medicine etc so that we can have an idea of other systems of
> > medicine being practiced in different parts of the world.
> >
> > Anupama
> >
> > --- On *Fri, 17/7/09, Dr. Keshetti Srisailam <ksrisailam@yahoo. com>*wrote:
> >
> >
> > From: Dr. Keshetti Srisailam <ksrisailam@yahoo. com>
> > Subject: Re: [netrum] Re: Cross curriculum for different systems of
> > medicines
> > To: netrum@yahoogroups. com
> > Date: Friday, 17 July, 2009, 4:32 PM
> >
> >
> >
> > Dear members
> > I do agree with Dr. Bharat
> > A subject on alternative therapies should be introduced in the final year
> > of UG, because one may practice after UG.
> > It is not wise to fit into PG curriculum as one may stop his/her education
> > at UG.
> > The subject may be 'Alternative Therapeutics' as suggested by Dr. Bharat,
> > or it may be 'Alternative Therapies'
> > Dr. Srisailam
> >
> >
> > --- On *Fri, 17/7/09, gajjarbm <gajjarbm@yahoo. com>* wrote:
> >
> >
> > From: gajjarbm <gajjarbm@yahoo. com>
> > Subject: [netrum] Re: Cross curriculum for different systems of medicines
> > To: netrum@yahoogroups. com
> > Date: Friday, 17 July, 2009, 4:09 PM
> >
> >
> >
> > Dear Dr. Anand,
> > Of course,at UG level.
> > In the last year of any system, we may introduce such course/subject.
> > One subject may be added in the last year-subject title may be
> > e.g.-'Alternative Therapeutics' .
> > Bharat.
> >
> > --- In netrum@yahoogroups. com, Anand Chaudhary <ayurasabhaishja@ ...>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > Thanks Sir
> > >
> > > I do agree with the inputs provided by you.
> > >
> > > The question exist here is how and when to incorporate the teaching of
> > > other system of medicine. at the time of UG education or some specialised
> > > courses.
> > >
> > > Please emphasise this issue.
> > >
> > > With regards,
> > >
> > >
> > > On 7/17/09, gajjarbm <gajjarbm@ .> wrote:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Dear Dr. Anand,
> > > > Again one nice topic for discussion.
> > > > In all systems of medicines, basic subjects like Anatomy, Physiology,
> > > > Pathology, Microbiology, Biochemistry are taught.
> > > > Only difference is in the teaching of 'PHARMACOTHERAPEUTI CS'.
> > > > Therapeutic part in Ayurveda, Homeopathy and Modern Pharmacology differ
> > in
> > > > principles.
> > > > Modern medicines also have medicines obtained from plants, like
> > digoxin,
> > > > atropine, quinine etc.
> > > > Therefore cross curriculum development is not so difficult.
> > > > Each system would teach its own therapeutics in detail plus basic
> > > > principles of other systems.
> > > > Such type of trained doctors would practice their systems primarily,
> > with
> > > > support from other systems when and where needed for ultimate benefit
> > of
> > > > patients.
> > > > Bharat Gajjar.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > Anand Chaudhary
> > > Deptt of Rasa Shastra
> > > (Ayurvedic Pharmaceutics)
> > > Faculty of Ayuveda
> > > Institute of Medical Sciences
> > > Banaras Hindu University
> > > VARANASI 221005
> > > Cell 9452074480
> > > 9889863866
> > > 0542-2366900( R)
> > >
> >
> >
> > ------------ --------- ---------
> > Get your preferred Email name!
 
> > <http://sg.rd. yahoo.com/ aa/mail/domainch oice/mail/ signature/ *http://mail. promotions. yahoo.com/ newdomains/ aa/>

> > Now you can @ymail.com and @rocketmail. com.
> >
> >
> > ------------ --------- ---------
> > Love Cricket? Check out live scores, photos, video highlights and more. Click
 
> > here <http://in.rd. yahoo.com/ tagline_cricket_ 2/*http:/ /cricket. yahoo.com>.
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> > Grab the Email name you've always wanted before someone else does!
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
 
> --
> Anand Chaudhary
> Deptt of Rasa Shastra
> (Ayurvedic Pharmaceutics)
> Faculty of Ayuveda
> Institute of Medical Sciences
> Banaras Hindu University
> VARANASI 221005
> Cell 9452074480
> 9889863866
> 0542-2366900( R)
>

 



--
Anand Chaudhary
Deptt of Rasa Shastra
(Ayurvedic Pharmaceutics)
Faculty of Ayuveda
Institute of Medical Sciences
Banaras Hindu University
VARANASI 221005
Cell 9452074480
9889863866
0542-2366900( R)




--
Anand Chaudhary
Deptt of Rasa Shastra
(Ayurvedic Pharmaceutics)
Faculty of Ayuveda
Institute of Medical Sciences
Banaras Hindu University
VARANASI 221005
Cell 9452074480
9889863866
0542-2366900(R)



--
Anand Chaudhary
Deptt of Rasa Shastra
(Ayurvedic Pharmaceutics)
Faculty of Ayuveda
Institute of Medical Sciences
Banaras Hindu University
VARANASI 221005
Cell 9452074480
9889863866
0542-2366900(R)

#7996 From: "Geer M. Ishaq" <ishaqgeer@...>
Date: Mon Jul 20, 2009 3:13 am
Subject: Re: Cross curriculum for different systems of medicines
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Dear Sir:
This has undoubtedly been one of the most thought-provoking and productive discussions in recent past. I am of the opinion that since this is a novel concept in our country, yet so desirable, to start with we can have curricula in which students of allopathic medicine can just be familiarised with the fundamental concepts of other pathies. Similarly students of Unani, Ayurvedic or Homeopathic need to be informed about the basics of allopathy during the initial years of their training. With this modest beginning we can gradually progress to a stage where one student can be made an expert in at least two systems of medicines to such an extent that he can prescribe medicines belonging to both the systems. At the outset itself it may not be wise enough to introduce multiple specializations in many pathies with duration of course remaining the same owing to compelxities of different systems. However, at the same time, it is not impossible too. It can be achieved in due course of time. Only thing that is required is a dedicated initiative and motivated commitment for the cause. I wish academicians and medicos will join hands together to devise modalities for such interprofessional curricula and will come out with some concrete, doable proposals in near future. We can also frame a group of NetRUM members and distribute work and frame a robust and comprehensive proposal.
 
With Regards
 
Geer M Ishaq
 


From: Anand Chaudhary <ayurasabhaishja@...>
To: netrum@yahoogroups.com
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Sent: Monday, 20 July, 2009 7:41:22 AM
Subject: Re: [netrum] Re: Cross curriculum for different systems of medicines

 

Dear All
 
We welcome  every one who are willing to work for this great cause of nation.
 
As suggested by some members like Dr Kishore that there is need of common teaching of subjects like Anatomy, Bio chemistry, Physiology etc.And Dr Bharat opined about a compulsory subject in final year.Where as Dr Anupama is advocating for optional criteria in curriculum.Dr Sisali and Dr Surendra Kulkarni are favouring reforms at every step where it is utmost needed. Dr Geer and Dr Sanjeev provided their valuable  opinion  and information on integrated curriculum  which invite a wide discussion on the matters.
 
I humbly wish to quote that  20-20 minute telephonic call from Prof Surendra Kulkarni on 18 & 19 July encouraged me.Prof Kulkarni recited sanskrita verses referring a publication of 1977 from KEM Mumbai of Prof Athwale,the than HOD of Paediatrics. This is very fortunate that we have such dedicated members on Netrum.
 
In some cases people suggested that 80:20 ratio is proper for cross curriculum  80% of main system and 20% of alternative therapy in diagnosis and therapeutics. 
 
Once again we request to all members of Netrum and all invited members to  express their worthy opinion  on this issue along with modalities of execution.Whether it is possible that AYUSH colleges will able to get services of Allopathic professionals and Medical colleges will provide an opportunity to AYUSH professionals to register their expertise in their domain.  I believe that here is need of vital   support from  regulatory agencies for further proceedings on this theme.
 
 Dear Colleague  we hope that in next 12 hrs ,we will be kind enough on us to think and express ideas on this forum on current theme.
 
With regards,
 
 

 
On 7/19/09, Bharat Gajjar <gajjarbm@yahoo. com> wrote:
 

Dear Dr. Anand,
I am also in support of developing and implementing cross curriculum.
As I have suggested earlier, one subject on another systems of medicines can be taught in each system of medicine in the last year of undergraduate course.
The subject should be compulsary, not optional.
Students should be examined also in that subject.
I offer my services for development of strategies in this direction.
Bharat.

 
DR. BHARAT GAJJAR
ASSOCIATE PROFESSOR,
DEPARTMENT OF PHARMACOLOGY,
PRAMUKHSWAMI MEDICAL COLLEGE,
KARAMSAD-388325.
DIST.-ANAND (GUJARAT) INDIA.
MOBILE- 09428153344.


--- On Sun, 7/19/09, Anand Chaudhary <ayurasabhaishja@ gmail.com> wrote:

From: Anand Chaudhary <ayurasabhaishja@ gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [netrum] Re: Cross curriculum for different systems of medicines
To: netrum@yahoogroups. com
Date: Sunday, July 19, 2009, 12:40 PM

 
Dear All
 
Final draft will be on consensus among us.
 
Telephone call from Yavatmal was encouraging for us.
 
Dr Sisali words neighbouring systems are touching and factual.
 
It seems that majority need cross curriculum.
 
Wait for more posting.
 
With regards,
 


 
On Sat, Jul 18, 2009 at 4:20 PM, Vijay <drvijaythawani@ yahoo.co. in> wrote:
 
Hi,
Ensure that you send me the final draft. I will do what the group members desire from me.
Vijay

--- In netrum@yahoogroups. com, Anand Chaudhary <ayurasabhaishja@ ...> wrote:
>
 
> Dear All
>
> Of course our discussion is pointing out some suggestions which needs more
> proper scrutiny at larger scale.
>
> Optional or compulsory,We may opt one alternative therapy.Again the fact
> which will disturb any medical/ayurvedic/ Homeopathy college
> i.e. arrangement and management of faculty of optional/compulsory subjects
> of therapeutics as suggested by learned members.
>
> Before these practical problems ,one has to to pursue respective regulatory
> bodies such as MCI,CCIM,PCI etc to incorporate these significant and
> pressing changes.
>
> If in next couple of days we will be to generate more concrete ideas on this
> issue we may request our group owner Dr Vijay Thawani to send a resolution
> to concern parties of regulation.This is fortunate that currently all
> regulatory bodies are supposed to be one as stated by Hon Minister of Health
> ,GOI.Perhaps if this time we will work out it may be materialised.
>
> One unique phenomenon is going on in BHU ,here M D (Ayu) degree is
> admissible to MBBS.Every year more than 90 candidates apply and got
> admission in this course.One seat is earmarked for them in every specialised
> discipline of PG course of Ayurveda for the graduates having MBBS
> degree.CCIM is pressing hard to closed down this pattern.But BHU is running
> this under its autonomous privilege.
>
> In fact,the internal faculty of ayurveda is also not to much satisfied with
> this course as every MBBS graduate had/has sought admission in clinical
> branches of ayurveda and after completion they do practice as MD not MD
> (Ayu).None of our MBBS fellow expressed their desire to work in non
> clinical branches of Ayurveda.It simply means it is a backdoor entry for
> clinical branches for those who failed in their main stream.It is matter of
> consolation for us that they study ayurvedic concepts for their first and
> final year examination.
>
> There fore Madam /Sir we look forward for more rationality in this approach.
>
>
>
> I do believe more ideas will pour in coming hrs.
>
> With regards,
> On Fri, Jul 17, 2009 at 5:41 PM, Dr. Keshetti Srisailam <
 
> ksrisailam@. ..> wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > Dear Dr. Anupama
> > In my opinion, it should be made mandatory rather than optional subjects
> > Just take an example of a patient under Ayurvedic treatment, goes to
> > allopathic doctor in medical emergency
> > The allopathic doctor must be aware of the patient's existing medication
> > i.e., ayurvedic medicines the patient taking already
> > Hence it should be made mandatory to study all other systems of medicine in
> > the final year of UG
> > I dont say exactly, to what extent it is possible.
> > Dr. Srisailam
> >
 
> > --- On *Fri, 17/7/09, anupama sukhlecha <anupama_acad@ ...>* wrote:
> >
> >
> > From: anupama sukhlecha <anupama_acad@ ...>

> > Subject: Re: [netrum] Re: Cross curriculum for different systems of
> > medicines
> > To: netrum@yahoogroups. com
> > Date: Friday, 17 July, 2009, 5:28 PM
> >
> >
> >
> > Dear Dr Anand,
> > In school class X exam we have an optional paper like Sanskrit, foreign
> > language etc. Similarly, in final year of MBBS/ BAMS/BHMS , we can have an
> > optional paper of our choice like Alternative medicine, Accupressure,
> > Chinese medicine etc so that we can have an idea of other systems of
> > medicine being practiced in different parts of the world.
> >
> > Anupama
> >
> > --- On *Fri, 17/7/09, Dr. Keshetti Srisailam <ksrisailam@yahoo. com>*wrote:
> >
> >
> > From: Dr. Keshetti Srisailam <ksrisailam@yahoo. com>
> > Subject: Re: [netrum] Re: Cross curriculum for different systems of
> > medicines
> > To: netrum@yahoogroups. com
> > Date: Friday, 17 July, 2009, 4:32 PM
> >
> >
> >
> > Dear members
> > I do agree with Dr. Bharat
> > A subject on alternative therapies should be introduced in the final year
> > of UG, because one may practice after UG.
> > It is not wise to fit into PG curriculum as one may stop his/her education
> > at UG.
> > The subject may be 'Alternative Therapeutics' as suggested by Dr. Bharat,
> > or it may be 'Alternative Therapies'
> > Dr. Srisailam
> >
> >
> > --- On *Fri, 17/7/09, gajjarbm <gajjarbm@yahoo. com>* wrote:
> >
> >
> > From: gajjarbm <gajjarbm@yahoo. com>
> > Subject: [netrum] Re: Cross curriculum for different systems of medicines
> > To: netrum@yahoogroups. com
> > Date: Friday, 17 July, 2009, 4:09 PM
> >
> >
> >
> > Dear Dr. Anand,
> > Of course,at UG level.
> > In the last year of any system, we may introduce such course/subject.
> > One subject may be added in the last year-subject title may be
> > e.g.-'Alternative Therapeutics' .
> > Bharat.
> >
> > --- In netrum@yahoogroups. com, Anand Chaudhary <ayurasabhaishja@ ...>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > Thanks Sir
> > >
> > > I do agree with the inputs provided by you.
> > >
> > > The question exist here is how and when to incorporate the teaching of
> > > other system of medicine. at the time of UG education or some specialised
> > > courses.
> > >
> > > Please emphasise this issue.
> > >
> > > With regards,
> > >
> > >
> > > On 7/17/09, gajjarbm <gajjarbm@ .> wrote:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Dear Dr. Anand,
> > > > Again one nice topic for discussion.
> > > > In all systems of medicines, basic subjects like Anatomy, Physiology,
> > > > Pathology, Microbiology, Biochemistry are taught.
> > > > Only difference is in the teaching of 'PHARMACOTHERAPEUTI CS'.
> > > > Therapeutic part in Ayurveda, Homeopathy and Modern Pharmacology differ
> > in
> > > > principles.
> > > > Modern medicines also have medicines obtained from plants, like
> > digoxin,
> > > > atropine, quinine etc.
> > > > Therefore cross curriculum development is not so difficult.
> > > > Each system would teach its own therapeutics in detail plus basic
> > > > principles of other systems.
> > > > Such type of trained doctors would practice their systems primarily,
> > with
> > > > support from other systems when and where needed for ultimate benefit
> > of
> > > > patients.
> > > > Bharat Gajjar.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > Anand Chaudhary
> > > Deptt of Rasa Shastra
> > > (Ayurvedic Pharmaceutics)
> > > Faculty of Ayuveda
> > > Institute of Medical Sciences
> > > Banaras Hindu University
> > > VARANASI 221005
> > > Cell 9452074480
> > > 9889863866
> > > 0542-2366900( R)
> > >
> >
> >
> > ------------ --------- ---------
> > Get your preferred Email name!
 
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> >
> >
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> >
> >
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>
>
 
> --
> Anand Chaudhary
> Deptt of Rasa Shastra
> (Ayurvedic Pharmaceutics)
> Faculty of Ayuveda
> Institute of Medical Sciences
> Banaras Hindu University
> VARANASI 221005
> Cell 9452074480
> 9889863866
> 0542-2366900( R)
>

 



--
Anand Chaudhary
Deptt of Rasa Shastra
(Ayurvedic Pharmaceutics)
Faculty of Ayuveda
Institute of Medical Sciences
Banaras Hindu University
VARANASI 221005
Cell 9452074480
9889863866
0542-2366900( R)




--
Anand Chaudhary
Deptt of Rasa Shastra
(Ayurvedic Pharmaceutics)
Faculty of Ayuveda
Institute of Medical Sciences
Banaras Hindu University
VARANASI 221005
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