Dear All
We welcome every one who are willing to work for this great cause of nation.
As suggested by some members like Dr Kishore that there is need of common teaching of subjects like Anatomy, Bio chemistry, Physiology etc.And Dr Bharat opined about a compulsory subject in final year.Where as Dr Anupama is advocating for optional criteria in curriculum.Dr Sisali and Dr Surendra Kulkarni are favouring reforms at every step where it is utmost needed. Dr Geer and Dr Sanjeev provided their valuable opinion and information on integrated curriculum which invite a wide discussion on the matters.
I humbly wish to quote that 20-20 minute telephonic call from Prof Surendra Kulkarni on 18 & 19 July encouraged me.Prof Kulkarni recited sanskrita verses referring a publication of 1977 from KEM Mumbai of Prof Athwale,the than HOD of Paediatrics.This is very fortunate that we have such dedicated members on Netrum.
In some cases people suggested that 80:20 ratio is proper for cross curriculum 80% of main system and 20% of alternative therapy in diagnosis and therapeutics.
Once again we request to all members of Netrum and all invited members to express their worthy opinion on this issue along with modalities of execution.Whether it is possible that AYUSH colleges will able to get services of Allopathic professionals and Medical colleges will provide an opportunity to AYUSH professionals to register their expertise in their domain. I believe that here is need of vital support from regulatory agencies for further proceedings on this theme.
Dear Colleague we hope that in next 12 hrs ,we will be kind enough on us to think and express ideas on this forum on current theme.
With regards,
On 7/19/09, Bharat Gajjar <gajjarbm@...> wrote:
Dear Dr. Anand,I am also in support of developing and implementing cross curriculum.As I have suggested earlier, one subject on another systems of medicines can be taught in each system of medicine in the last year of undergraduate course.The subject should be compulsary, not optional.Students should be examined also in that subject.I offer my services for development of strategies in this direction.Bharat.
DR. BHARAT GAJJARASSOCIATE PROFESSOR,DEPARTMENT OF PHARMACOLOGY,PRAMUKHSWAMI MEDICAL COLLEGE,KARAMSAD-388325.DIST.-ANAND (GUJARAT) INDIA.MOBILE- 09428153344.
--- On Sun, 7/19/09, Anand Chaudhary <ayurasabhaishja@...> wrote:
From: Anand Chaudhary <ayurasabhaishja@...>
Subject: Re: [netrum] Re: Cross curriculum for different systems of medicines
To: netrum@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sunday, July 19, 2009, 12:40 PM
Dear AllFinal draft will be on consensus among us.Telephone call from Yavatmal was encouraging for us.Dr Sisali words neighbouring systems are touching and factual.It seems that majority need cross curriculum.Wait for more posting.With regards,
On Sat, Jul 18, 2009 at 4:20 PM, Vijay <drvijaythawani@ yahoo.co. in> wrote:
Hi,> > <http://sg.rd. yahoo.com/ aa/mail/domainch oice/mail/ signature/ *http://mail. promotions. yahoo.com/ newdomains/ aa/>
Ensure that you send me the final draft. I will do what the group members desire from me.
Vijay> Dear All
>
> Of course our discussion is pointing out some suggestions which needs more
> proper scrutiny at larger scale.
>
> Optional or compulsory,We may opt one alternative therapy.Again the fact
> which will disturb any medical/ayurvedic/ Homeopathy college
> i.e. arrangement and management of faculty of optional/compulsory subjects
> of therapeutics as suggested by learned members.
>
> Before these practical problems ,one has to to pursue respective regulatory
> bodies such as MCI,CCIM,PCI etc to incorporate these significant and
> pressing changes.
>
> If in next couple of days we will be to generate more concrete ideas on this
> issue we may request our group owner Dr Vijay Thawani to send a resolution
> to concern parties of regulation.This is fortunate that currently all
> regulatory bodies are supposed to be one as stated by Hon Minister of Health
> ,GOI.Perhaps if this time we will work out it may be materialised.
>
> One unique phenomenon is going on in BHU ,here M D (Ayu) degree is
> admissible to MBBS.Every year more than 90 candidates apply and got
> admission in this course.One seat is earmarked for them in every specialised
> discipline of PG course of Ayurveda for the graduates having MBBS
> degree.CCIM is pressing hard to closed down this pattern.But BHU is running
> this under its autonomous privilege.
>
> In fact,the internal faculty of ayurveda is also not to much satisfied with
> this course as every MBBS graduate had/has sought admission in clinical
> branches of ayurveda and after completion they do practice as MD not MD
> (Ayu).None of our MBBS fellow expressed their desire to work in non
> clinical branches of Ayurveda.It simply means it is a backdoor entry for
> clinical branches for those who failed in their main stream.It is matter of
> consolation for us that they study ayurvedic concepts for their first and
> final year examination.
>
> There fore Madam /Sir we look forward for more rationality in this approach.
>
>
>
> I do believe more ideas will pour in coming hrs.
>
> With regards,
> On Fri, Jul 17, 2009 at 5:41 PM, Dr. Keshetti Srisailam <
> ksrisailam@. ..> wrote:> > --- On *Fri, 17/7/09, anupama sukhlecha <anupama_acad@ ...>* wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > Dear Dr. Anupama
> > In my opinion, it should be made mandatory rather than optional subjects
> > Just take an example of a patient under Ayurvedic treatment, goes to
> > allopathic doctor in medical emergency
> > The allopathic doctor must be aware of the patient's existing medication
> > i.e., ayurvedic medicines the patient taking already
> > Hence it should be made mandatory to study all other systems of medicine in
> > the final year of UG
> > I dont say exactly, to what extent it is possible.
> > Dr. Srisailam
> >
> >
> >
> > From: anupama sukhlecha <anupama_acad@ ...>
> > Subject: Re: [netrum] Re: Cross curriculum for different systems of
> > medicines
> > To: netrum@yahoogroups. com
> > Date: Friday, 17 July, 2009, 5:28 PM
> >
> >
> >
> > Dear Dr Anand,
> > In school class X exam we have an optional paper like Sanskrit, foreign
> > language etc. Similarly, in final year of MBBS/ BAMS/BHMS , we can have an
> > optional paper of our choice like Alternative medicine, Accupressure,
> > Chinese medicine etc so that we can have an idea of other systems of
> > medicine being practiced in different parts of the world.
> >
> > Anupama
> >
> > --- On *Fri, 17/7/09, Dr. Keshetti Srisailam <ksrisailam@yahoo. com>*wrote:
> >
> >
> > From: Dr. Keshetti Srisailam <ksrisailam@yahoo. com>
> > Subject: Re: [netrum] Re: Cross curriculum for different systems of
> > medicines
> > To: netrum@yahoogroups. com
> > Date: Friday, 17 July, 2009, 4:32 PM
> >
> >
> >
> > Dear members
> > I do agree with Dr. Bharat
> > A subject on alternative therapies should be introduced in the final year
> > of UG, because one may practice after UG.
> > It is not wise to fit into PG curriculum as one may stop his/her education
> > at UG.
> > The subject may be 'Alternative Therapeutics' as suggested by Dr. Bharat,
> > or it may be 'Alternative Therapies'
> > Dr. Srisailam
> >
> >
> > --- On *Fri, 17/7/09, gajjarbm <gajjarbm@yahoo. com>* wrote:
> >
> >
> > From: gajjarbm <gajjarbm@yahoo. com>
> > Subject: [netrum] Re: Cross curriculum for different systems of medicines
> > To: netrum@yahoogroups. com
> > Date: Friday, 17 July, 2009, 4:09 PM
> >
> >
> >
> > Dear Dr. Anand,
> > Of course,at UG level.
> > In the last year of any system, we may introduce such course/subject.
> > One subject may be added in the last year-subject title may be
> > e.g.-'Alternative Therapeutics' .
> > Bharat.
> >
> > --- In netrum@yahoogroups. com, Anand Chaudhary <ayurasabhaishja@ ...>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > Thanks Sir
> > >
> > > I do agree with the inputs provided by you.
> > >
> > > The question exist here is how and when to incorporate the teaching of
> > > other system of medicine. at the time of UG education or some specialised
> > > courses.
> > >
> > > Please emphasise this issue.
> > >
> > > With regards,
> > >
> > >
> > > On 7/17/09, gajjarbm <gajjarbm@ .> wrote:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Dear Dr. Anand,
> > > > Again one nice topic for discussion.
> > > > In all systems of medicines, basic subjects like Anatomy, Physiology,
> > > > Pathology, Microbiology, Biochemistry are taught.
> > > > Only difference is in the teaching of 'PHARMACOTHERAPEUTI CS'.
> > > > Therapeutic part in Ayurveda, Homeopathy and Modern Pharmacology differ
> > in
> > > > principles.
> > > > Modern medicines also have medicines obtained from plants, like
> > digoxin,
> > > > atropine, quinine etc.
> > > > Therefore cross curriculum development is not so difficult.
> > > > Each system would teach its own therapeutics in detail plus basic
> > > > principles of other systems.
> > > > Such type of trained doctors would practice their systems primarily,
> > with
> > > > support from other systems when and where needed for ultimate benefit
> > of
> > > > patients.
> > > > Bharat Gajjar.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
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> > > (Ayurvedic Pharmaceutics)
> > > Faculty of Ayuveda
> > > Institute of Medical Sciences
> > > Banaras Hindu University
> > > VARANASI 221005
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> (Ayurvedic Pharmaceutics)
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> Institute of Medical Sciences
> Banaras Hindu University
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Anand Chaudhary
Deptt of Rasa Shastra
(Ayurvedic Pharmaceutics)
Faculty of Ayuveda
Institute of Medical Sciences
Banaras Hindu University
VARANASI 221005
Cell 9452074480
9889863866
0542-2366900( R)
--
Anand Chaudhary
Deptt of Rasa Shastra
(Ayurvedic Pharmaceutics)
Faculty of Ayuveda
Institute of Medical Sciences
Banaras Hindu University
VARANASI 221005
Cell 9452074480
9889863866
0542-2366900(R)