Search the web
Sign In
New User? Sign Up
netrum · Network for Rational Use of Medicines
? Already a member? Sign in to Yahoo!

Yahoo! Groups Tips

Did you know...
Hear how Yahoo! Groups has changed the lives of others. Take me there.

Best of Y! Groups

   Check them out and nominate your group.
Having problems with message search? Fill out this form to ensure your group is one of the first to be migrated to the new message search system.

Messages

  Messages Help
Advanced
Cross curriculum for different systems of medicines   Message List  
Reply | Forward Message #7974 of 8935 |
Re: [netrum] Cross curriculum for different systems of medicines

Dear Dr Geer
 
As usual you exceptional here too.
 
I shall go through the write up and reach to you within days.
 
Please see the under quoted lines.
Some words of Late Pandit Shiv Sharma from FOREWORD of a monograph.
 
"Many sophisticated and westernished Indians, with their uncritical and deep faith in the infallibility of the wisdom of the modern medical practitioners, share their ignorance-based dread of utterly harmless and highly beneficial Ayurvedic metallic preparations and quite often deprive themselves of good chances to escape the worst through their use. The number of such deaths has not been statistically studied as yet. I believe it shall be found to be substantially alarming.
Few people in India today are aware of the prestige and glory of Ayurveda. The Ayurvedic scholarship and clinical acumen suffered a set-back due to the politics of the Ayurvedic education which were so obvious that Prof. Paul Brass, Head of the Department of Political Science, University of Washington, Seattle, actually came to India to study the situation and wrote an incisive monograph, Politics of Ayurvedic Education, subsequently published by the Harvard University."
 
Whether this things exist  even presently.
 
With regards,
 

 
On 7/17/09, Geer M. Ishaq <ishaqgeer@...> wrote:
 

Respected Dr. Anand Chaudhryji:
 
Kindly accept my hearty congratulations for selecting this highly pertinent and vision-based topic of discussion. While this discussion is going on, only a few moments ago I recieved the latest issue of American Journal of Pharmacy Education which has published a full supplement on "The Importance of inter-professional curriculum". Though the articles published in the supplement relate more to Pharmacy rather than medicine, issued raised in the articles are quite relevant to medical education also. I invite all esteemed members to have a look at the articles published at the URL:
 
This effort of the AJPE only goes to prove the importance of this topic and the need for its implementation in various curricula. For the convenience of the readers I am copying the first article of the issue below for fair use:
 
Further in spite of these facts I have certain inhibitions and reservations regarding allowing full-fledged practice of cross-pathies because in certain super-speciality clinical conditions it may not be feasible owing to the fact that within a span of four or five years students of any stream cannot be trained in totality about the pros and cons of all pathies. Nevertheless familiarizing the UG students about the fundamental principles of cross-pathies in very much required and in fact inevitable considering the unabated cross-practice going on in all parts of the country. I would like to have your kind opinion on these aspersions and would put forth more comments in coming days.
 
With Regards
Dr. Geer M. Ishaq
Assistant Professor
Dept. of Pharmaceutical Sciences
University of Kashmir
Srinagar-190006 (J&K)
Ph: 9906673100, 01942429503

 

The Imperative for Interprofessional Education

Susan M. Meyer PhD

University of Pittsburgh School of Pharmacy


In the evolving contexts of health care delivery and health professions education, issues of patient safety; public health, health promotion, and disease prevention; and team-based, patient-centered care are at the forefront. Within each of these issues, interprofessional education and interprofessional practice are strategies to achieve the goals of effective, patient-centered, timely, efficient, and equitable health care.1 Pharmacy education has embraced the vision of the Institute of Medicine Committee on the Health Professions Education Summit that “[a]ll health professionals should be educated to deliver patient-centered care as members of an interdisciplinary team, emphasizing evidence-based practice, quality improvement approaches, and informatics.” 2 Educational Outcomes 2004, the document published by the American Association of Colleges of Pharmacy's (AACP) Center for the Advancement of Pharmaceutical Education that guides curriculum development at colleges and schools of pharmacy, incorporates language that explicitly describes the expectation that graduates will collaborate with other health care providers in the provision of pharmaceutical care, management of systems, and engagement in public health.3 The Accreditation Standards and Guidelines (Standards 2007) promulgated by the Accreditation Council for Pharmacy Education now hold colleges and schools of pharmacy accountable for designing, delivering, and assessing educational programs that prepare future pharmacists to provide patient-centered care as members of interprofessional health care teams. 4 Development of a contemporary student's identity as a pharmacist must now include how he or she, as a pharmacist, will participate in the care of patients as a member of a team of professionals.

The topic of interprofessional education is not new to the Journal. Remington and colleagues provided a review of evidence for interprofessional education in 2006.5 The authors reported on their review of the literature in which they attempted to determine “what educational interventions for health professions trainees are likely to enhance learner-based outcomes (knowledge, skills, and behaviors) relevant to the provision of interprofessional care.” The authors identified a lack of quality information to guide interprofessional curriculum development and little direct evidence for persistent improvement in interprofessional knowledge and skills.

 

In its report, the 2006-07 AACP Professional Affairs Committee reviewed AACP activities related to interprofessional education and provided an overview of the positions of other health care organizations such as the Joint Commission, the Association of American Medical Colleges, and the Institute for Healthcare Improvement-Health Professions Education Collaborative.6 The Committee offered recommendations for AACP and its member institutions to expand, enhance, and sustain interprofessional collaboration as an underpinning of the doctor of pharmacy (PharmD) curriculum and to facilitate the advancement of patient care practices in a variety of care environments.

 

The Journal's theme issue on Interprofessional Education provides a comprehensive overview of the state of interprofessional education and pharmacy education's engagement in it—from issues of administrative structure and support to facilitate cross-program interaction, to working definitions, to accreditation issues, to instructional and assessment strategies being implemented and evaluated. One might question how effectively a profession-specific journal with a fairly homogeneous audience might address a topic as complex and seemingly broad-reaching as interprofessional education. Yet, some of the component knowledge, skills, and attitudes identified as core to interprofessional practice can be learned in profession-specific courses, while others must be taught, practiced, and refined in collaboration with others. The mastery of interprofessional education competencies must be progressive over the course of a student's development and the content integrated across a curriculum, from conceptual to experiential, and from theoretical to contextual.

The manuscript by Buring and colleagues, “Interprofessional Education: Definitions, Student Competencies, and Guidelines for Implementation,” provides a context and grounding for the papers that follow. Outlining the work of the AACP Task Force on Interprofessional Education, the paper provides a clear definition of interprofessional education, what it is and is not, and the current evidence supporting interprofessional education. The delineation of interprofessional competencies and learning objectives provides useful guidance for the development of a curriculum to prepare students for interprofessional practice, components of which might be implemented in pharmacy-specific courses and others in interprofessional courses and patient care experiences. The second Buring manuscript, “Keys to Successful Implementation of Interprofessional Education: Learning, Location, Faculty Development, and Curricular Themes,” offers additional detail to facilitate the implementation of interprofessional education initiatives.

In 2007, as part of their participation in the AACP Academic Leadership Fellows program, Smith et al conducted focus group discussions with administrative leaders in colleges and schools of pharmacy and other health professions programs across 6 campuses. The manuscript, “Interprofessional Education in Six US Colleges of Pharmacy,” outlines the current realities and environments associated with advancing interprofessional education.

Papers by Cameron et al, Odegard et al, and Dodson et al provide campus-specific examples of how interprofessional education is being approached, the role the college or school of pharmacy has had in the design and implementation of interprofessional education strategies, and how pharmacy students are engaged in interprofessional learning activities.



 

ACKNOWLEDGMENTS

In addition to the authors of the component manuscripts, this theme issue would not have become a reality without the diligence of the Journal editorial staff and thoughtful input of the reviewers.


REFERENCES
1. Institute of Medicine Committee on Quality of Health Care in America. Crossing the Quality Chasm. National Academy Press, Washington, DC 2001. http://www.nap.edu/catalog.php?record_id=10027#toc Accessed June 11, 2009.
2. Institute of Medicine Committee on the Health Professions Education Summit, Health Professions Education: A Bridge to Quality. National Academy Press, Washington, DC; 2003. http://www.nap.edu/catalog.php?record_id=10681#toc Accessed June 11, 2009.
3. Center for the Advancement of Pharmaceutical Education Educational Outcomes 2004, American Association of Colleges of Pharmacy, 2004. http://www.aacp.org/resources/education/Documents/CAPE2004.pdf. Accessed May 19, 2009.
4. Accreditation Standards and Guidelines for the Professional Program in Pharmacy Leading to the Doctor of Pharmacy Degree, Accreditation Council for Pharmacy Education, 2006. http://www.acpe-accredit.org/pdf/ACPE_Revised_PharmD_Standards_Adopted_Jan152006.pdf. Accessed May 19, 2009.
5. Remington TL, Foulk MA, Williams BC. Evaluation of evidence for interprofessional education. Am J Pharm Educ. 2006;70(3)Article 66.
6. Kroboth P, Crismon LM, Daniels C, et al. Getting to solutions in interprofessional education: Report of the 2006-2007 Professional Affairs Committee. Am J Pharm Educ. 2007;71Article S19.

 


From: Anand Chaudhary <ayurasabhaishja@...>
To: netrum@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, 17 July, 2009 8:04:45 AM
Subject: Re: [netrum] Re: Cross curriculum for different systems of medicines

 

Dear All
 
Thanks Dr Thawani for your valuable inputs.
 
Sir SC decision is very right if one has no knowledge of the system how they can practice that.
 
Scientific validation is utmost important for practice.
 
But reality is this in our country that almost every physician of Ayurveda and Allopathy are prescribing cross medicines apart from their official/graduated system of medicine.One can not ignore the prescriptions which are coming out from Allapathic doctors of products of Himamlaya,Alarsin .Gufic etc.Fundamentals of these drugs have not been studied by them.
 
Reality is very eye opening in other side where almost every AYUSH doctors are using allopathic medicines.
 
So best solution is inclusion of best of every pathy and trained doctors in that with optimum proportion.
 
With regards,

 



On 7/16/09, Vijay <drvijaythawani@ yahoo.co. in> wrote:
 

Hi,

Integrated/ Interpathy/ Holistic / Cross teaching has been proposed since long. Many countries already have it. In India the Supreme Court bans "cross practice" and calls such practitioner a quack, charltan who practices any pathy without formal training. Hence it is compulsory to train the doctors in various pathies which they are expected to practice.

The best from all pathies must be chosen in the best interest of patients. Pathies practiced in the country should be included. These should have the scientific validity and definite advantages over other pathies in diseases where recommended.

Vijay



--- In netrum@yahoogroups. com, Anand Chaudhary <ayurasabhaishja@ ...> wrote:
>
> Dear All
>
> Welcome on session of *Cross curriculum for different systems of medicines
> on Netrum*
>
> The different systems of Medicine have single and unique goal i.e. to
> eliminate suffering of human being where medical intervention is needed on
> line of pshycosomatic constitution.
>
> Every pathy has its own course of action to achieve balance in
> physio-pathology of subject. Of course here subject is same that is we human
> of globe.
>
> In the light of this universal fact whether one may think to have best of
> each pathy in service of ailing humanity.
>
> Some countries are working on this approach.What may be scenario of this
> thought in our country with the fact that here many kinds of complexes are
> prevailing in mind of every second concern.
>
> Idea of cross curriculum was initiated by Dr C P Thakur, in 2001 ,the than
> Health Minister of Union of India but it could not be materialised due to
> no care taker of this idea at MCI & CCIM both.But now circumstances are
> changing vastly and compelling us to re consider our previous stand on this
> issue.
>
> We invite our all learned members to speak on this issue with boldness and
> broadness.
>
> Friends,I personally could not post any message on Netrum since last 15-20
> days due to my ignorance on the titles discussed .But I wish to congratulate
> all young brigade for their energy.I simply read and achieved all discussion
> with enhancement in my basic understanding on the themes.
>
> With regards,
>
> --
> Anand Chaudhary
> Deptt of Rasa Shastra
> (Ayurvedic Pharmaceutics)
> Faculty of Ayuveda
> Institute of Medical Sciences
> Banaras Hindu University
> VARANASI 221005
> Cell 9452074480
> 9889863866
> 0542-2366900( R)
>




--
Anand Chaudhary
Deptt of Rasa Shastra
(Ayurvedic Pharmaceutics)
Faculty of Ayuveda
Institute of Medical Sciences
Banaras Hindu University
VARANASI 221005
Cell 9452074480
9889863866
0542-2366900( R)



Yahoo! recommends that you upgrade to the new and safer Internet Explorer 8.




--
Anand Chaudhary
Deptt of Rasa Shastra
(Ayurvedic Pharmaceutics)
Faculty of Ayuveda
Institute of Medical Sciences
Banaras Hindu University
VARANASI 221005
Cell 9452074480
9889863866
0542-2366900(R)

Fri Jul 17, 2009 8:59 am

ayurasabhaishja
Offline Offline
Send Email Send Email

Forward
Message #7974 of 8935 |
Expand Messages Author Sort by Date

Dear All Welcome on session of *Cross curriculum for different systems of medicines on Netrum* The different systems of Medicine have single and unique goal...
Anand Chaudhary
ayurasabhaishja
Offline Send Email
Jul 15, 2009
5:58 pm

Hi, Integrated/ Interpathy/ Holistic / Cross teaching has been proposed since long. Many countries already have it. In India the Supreme Court bans "cross...
Vijay
drvijaythawani
Offline Send Email
Jul 16, 2009
4:20 pm

Dear All Thanks Dr Thawani for your valuable inputs. Sir SC decision is very right if one has no knowledge of the system how they can practice that. Scientific...
Anand Chaudhary
ayurasabhaishja
Offline Send Email
Jul 17, 2009
2:35 am

Respected Dr. Anand Chaudhryji: Kindly accept my hearty congratulations for selecting this highly pertinent and vision-based topic of discussion. While this...
Geer M. Ishaq
ishaqgeer
Offline Send Email
Jul 17, 2009
3:40 am

Dear Dr Geer As usual you exceptional here too. I shall go through the write up and reach to you within days. Please see the under quoted lines. Some words of...
Anand Chaudhary
ayurasabhaishja
Offline Send Email
Jul 17, 2009
8:59 am

Dear Dr. Anand, Again one nice topic for discussion. In all systems of medicines, basic subjects like Anatomy, Physiology, Pathology, Microbiology,...
gajjarbm
Offline Send Email
Jul 17, 2009
8:22 am

Thanks Sir I do agree with the inputs provided by you. The question exist here is how and when to incorporate the teaching of other system of medicine. at the...
Anand Chaudhary
ayurasabhaishja
Offline Send Email
Jul 17, 2009
8:48 am

Dear Dr. Anand, Of course,at UG level. In the last year of any system, we may introduce such course/subject. One subject may be added in the last year-subject...
gajjarbm
Offline Send Email
Jul 17, 2009
10:39 am

Dear members I do agree with Dr. Bharat A subject on alternative therapies should be introduced in the final year of UG, because one may practice after UG. It...
Dr. Keshetti Srisailam
ksrisailam
Offline Send Email
Jul 17, 2009
11:02 am

Dear Dr Anand,    In school class X exam we have an optional paper like Sanskrit, foreign language etc. Similarly, in final year of MBBS/ BAMS/BHMS , we can...
anupama sukhlecha
anupama_acad
Offline Send Email
Jul 17, 2009
11:58 am

Hi, I like the term traditional medicine (TM) as compared to the term "alternative" because calling alternative pre-supposes that it is secondary to something...
Vijay
drvijaythawani
Offline Send Email
Jul 17, 2009
12:02 pm

Dear Dr. Anupama In my opinion, it should be made mandatory rather than optional subjects Just take an example of a patient under Ayurvedic treatment, goes to...
Dr. Keshetti Srisailam
ksrisailam
Offline Send Email
Jul 17, 2009
12:12 pm

Dear All Of course our discussion is pointing out some suggestions which needs more proper scrutiny at larger scale. Optional or compulsory,We may opt one...
Anand Chaudhary
ayurasabhaishja
Offline Send Email
Jul 18, 2009
2:25 am

Hi, Ensure that you send me the final draft. I will do what the group members desire from me. Vijay...
Vijay
drvijaythawani
Offline Send Email
Jul 18, 2009
10:50 am

Dear All Final draft will be on consensus among us. Telephone call from Yavatmal was encouraging for us. Dr Sisali words neighbouring systems are touching and...
Anand Chaudhary
ayurasabhaishja
Offline Send Email
Jul 19, 2009
7:10 am

Dear Dr Anand,   Designing such a curriculum will be a tough job. We should have evidence that there are no clinical interactions of drugs between different...
anupama sukhlecha
anupama_acad
Offline Send Email
Jul 18, 2009
6:02 am

Dear Dr. Anupama Yes, it is difficult to know the clinical interactions of drugs between different systems of medicine However, having an idea of 'neighbour...
Dr. Keshetti Srisailam
ksrisailam
Offline Send Email
Jul 18, 2009
6:55 am

Dear Dr. Anand, I am also in support of developing and implementing cross curriculum. As I have suggested earlier, one subject on another systems of medicines...
Bharat Gajjar
gajjarbm
Offline Send Email
Jul 19, 2009
12:51 pm

Dear All We welcome every one who are willing to work for this great cause of nation. As suggested by some members like Dr Kishore that there is need of...
Anand Chaudhary
ayurasabhaishja
Offline Send Email
Jul 20, 2009
2:12 am

Dear All Kindly read Dr Srisailam in place of Dr Sisali.I regret the typographical mistake by me. With regards, ... -- Anand Chaudhary Deptt of Rasa Shastra ...
Anand Chaudhary
ayurasabhaishja
Offline Send Email
Jul 20, 2009
2:16 am

Dear Sir: This has undoubtedly been one of the most thought-provoking and productive discussions in recent past. I am of the opinion that since this is a...
Geer M. Ishaq
ishaqgeer
Offline Send Email
Jul 20, 2009
4:25 am
Advanced

Copyright © 2009 Yahoo! Inc. All rights reserved.
Privacy Policy - Terms of Service - Guidelines - Help