You may be well aware of this already, and thankfully the perps aren't the most
sophisticated!
Your facebook profile's been taken over by somebody claiming to be stuck in
London and wanting money for plane tickets after being robbed.
Hopefully the entirety of your online presence hasn't been compromised and you
can cut the jerkies off easily! There's been plenty of this sort of stuff going
around, so don't feel badly!
Hope you're having a decent December!
-Josh
Dear Emily,
Well nice to hear from you and have a safe journey back. look forward to meeting you sometime. Tamahine
To: naturalbirthturkey@yahoogroups.com From: emjohn22@... Date: Tue, 8 Dec 2009 13:18:34 -0800 Subject: [naturalbirthturkey] Re: conscious mothering
Dear group,
This is my first time commenting through this group but have eagerly read your posts and am very interested in natural birth, cloth diapering and recently started to try elimination communication; potty training. It is so wonderful to be able to connect to like minded mamas!
I am an American married to a Turk and have been living in Didim for the past year. I gave birth at the didim hospital and had to fly back to america for a family emergency shortly after. My daughter is three months old now. We will be headed back to turkey to be with baba in january and if you don't mind I would love to meet up with you all...
Thanks! Take care of yourselves and you families!
Emily
www.ohhhsweetturkey.com (my blog about life in Turkey and newly about motherhood)
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Dear group,
This is my first time commenting through this group but have eagerly read your
posts and am very interested in natural birth, cloth diapering and recently
started to try elimination communication; potty training. It is so wonderful to
be able to connect to like minded mamas!
I am an American married to a Turk and have been living in Didim for the past
year. I gave birth at the didim hospital and had to fly back to america for a
family emergency shortly after. My daughter is three months old now. We will be
headed back to turkey to be with baba in january and if you don't mind I would
love to meet up with you all...
Thanks! Take care of yourselves and you families!
Emily
www.ohhhsweetturkey.com (my blog about life in Turkey and newly about
motherhood)
i love that idea and i love the idea of the meetup once or twice a year as well.
i was thinking that something like that was necessary for those exact reasons.
let me know if there are any ways that i can help.
--Rasheedah
--- In naturalbirthturkey@yahoogroups.com, Tamahine Alemdar
<tamahinealemdar@...> wrote:
>
>
> Dear group,
>
>
>
> i,ve just had a wonderful few days with Feride and Melania in Bodrum spending
some good quality mum time. in light of that and the fact that i was so
impressed by how many of us crawled out of the woodwork on the cloth nappy issue
(i was left wondering 'where are all you lovely people?') we have decided to
open a conscious mothering yahoo group as a spin off to the natural birth group
so that we can continue to support and inspire each other and we have somewhere
to turn when we feel the need.
>
> we are a handful of conscious parents spread out in various parts off Turkey
and after birth our children continue to grow with an ever changing sets of
needs, in the mean time our own life and growth still continues and we live in a
place where our ideas and values are uncommon, so we should really try to
support eachother. we thought that from the platform of the group we could then
try to meet up once or twice a year either at our camp in Kaz dag or at Karakaya
(Melania/Feride), Bodrum.
>
>
>
> i,ll get working on it and let you know the group mail address when i have
one.
>
>
>
> much love to all the great mums (and dads),
>
> Tamahine x
>
>
>
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i,ve just had a wonderful few days with Feride and Melania in Bodrum spending some good quality mum time. in light of that and the fact that i was so impressed by how many of us crawled out of the woodwork on the cloth nappy issue (i was left wondering 'where are all you lovely people?') we have decided to open a conscious mothering yahoo group as a spin off to the natural birth group so that we can continue to support and inspire each other and we have somewhere to turn when we feel the need.
we are a handful of conscious parents spread out in various parts off Turkey and after birth our children continue to grow with an ever changing sets of needs, in the mean time our own life and growth still continues and we live in a place where our ideas and values are uncommon, so we should really try to support eachother. we thought that from the platform of the group we could then try to meet up once or twice a year either at our camp in Kaz dag or at Karakaya (Melania/Feride), Bodrum.
i,ll get working on it and let you know the group mail address when i have one.
much love to all the great mums (and dads),
Tamahine x
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Hi everyone, we will try and sort it out but junk and spam mails always find you somehow. It is quite obviouse from the subject headings which are true mails or not, you can reconise old members and new members usually make an introduction subject heading so just delete the junk mails with out opening them. Tamahine
I have recently given Dr Hakan some of the home birth diary DVD’s
that some of my own clients and I were featured in so he may be able to get
them copied and sent to anyone who would like to see them.
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If you were ever after TV programmes such as
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If you were ever after TV programmes such as Homebirth Diaries or Homegrown
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Best wishes
Sebnem
I also use reusable diapers - I got mine from the UK but they are a US brand - Bum Genius. They are birth to potty pocket nappies and have been great. I used them from when Deniz was 1 month old and am still using them now - he's now 13 months old. They have 3 settings adjustable with poppers and I was worried as at 3 month old he was already needing the largest setting but they still fit him now, perhaps as he's now walking so is slimming down a bit.
I tend to put them in with the rest of my wash so am not doing too much more washing but find summer is definitely more helpful for drying them!! Thge outers dry very quickly but the microfiber inners take much longer.
I love them and am happy w,th the fact that there are no unknown chemicals going on my baby's bottom and that I'm not contributing to
landfill.
I also use small towels the size of face cltohs to clean his bottom insterad of wipes. I got them from ikea - 7tl for 10 so very very cheap. I just use them with water and put them in the wash with the nappies.
Vicky
--- On Fri, 11/13/09, siobhan wilde <siobhanwilde@...> wrote:
From: siobhan wilde <siobhanwilde@...> Subject: [naturalbirthturkey] Re: Reusable Diapers! To: naturalbirthturkey@yahoogroups.com Date: Friday, November 13, 2009, 1:09 AM
i have to weigh in on this too! i used cloth diapers on my son until he was two, and i loved them, although it is a chore to wash them. i got my supplies from the u.s. -- a friend was coming for my birth, so she brought them over. i too tried to make some prefolds of my own, but they did not hold up well. i used lots of different cover, but my favorites were the imse vimse covers, especially the wool ones. i found that i could use them for ages, since the velcro was so wide. i also highly recommend using snappis to fasten them, if you can get your hands on them.
i would use cloth again for sure, but right now i am living without electricity (solar only,
can't run a washing machine) and one thing you really have to have is a washing machine! oh and one other thing -- washing my cloth diapers is how i discovered that using haci sakir laundry soap at 60
degrees causes a volcano of suds to erupt from the washer - don't do it!
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i have to weigh in on this too! i used cloth diapers on my son until he was two, and i loved them, although it is a chore to wash them. i got my supplies from the u.s. -- a friend was coming for my birth, so she brought them over. i too tried to make some prefolds of my own, but they did not hold up well. i used lots of different cover, but my favorites were the imse vimse covers, especially the wool ones. i found that i could use them for ages, since the velcro was so wide. i also highly recommend using snappis to fasten them, if you can get your hands on them.
i would use cloth again for sure, but right now i am living without electricity (solar only, can't run a washing machine) and one thing you really have to have is a washing machine! oh and one other thing -- washing my cloth diapers is how i discovered that using haci sakir laundry soap at 60
degrees causes a volcano of suds to erupt from the washer - don't do it!
I have been trying to find my way with cloth diapering here in Turkey. I had my
family bring lots of diaper system tools with them when they came for the birth
- newborn fitted diapers, prefolds and covers and small prefolds, fitteds and
covers, and also some larger prefolds. I agree that the first couple of weeks
are difficult with the cloth. I tried a couple of times and gave up because I
was in so much pain from the episiotomy. but started again with help from my mom
and it went very smoothly. It takes time and commitment but isn't so difficult.
The problem I have had is that my son is growing quickly and his diaper size has
changed rapidly. When it comes to diaper covers...there is a range in fits. Some
fit skinnier babies, some fit cubbier babies. It is hard to know which will fit
best when ordering. So, you either have to guess or figure it out as you go. It
may be easier in the States or in the UK where you can easily return items,
check out items in store or order as you go and have things arrive quickly.
That has been my only issue with cloth diapering. Philisophically, health-wise,
and economically, they make sense...but knowing how to get products quickly here
in Turkey is the main challenge (for me at least). It is definitely a good
industry if someone wants to import and sell products within Turkey...there is a
growing market for sure. For now, I am planning to purchase about 5 diaper
covers that "grow" with baby and cross my fingers hoping they will fit my tall,
quickly growing infant with chubby legs. :-)
Rasheedah
--- In naturalbirthturkey@yahoogroups.com, Op.Dr.Hakan Çoker <hakancoker@...>
wrote:
>
> Hello everybody,
>
> I have just wondered if anybody in the group used reusable diapers or not?
> If so , what will you say about the advantages and disadvantages of these new
, eco-and nature-friendly advertised diapers?
>
>
>
> Dr.Hakan Coker
> www.dogaldogum.com
>
I strongly suggest the book Diaper free baby by Christine Gross-Loh. For the first year my baby almost never pooed in her diaper. (After she started walking is another story) Following the book I found it really easy to get her to poo in the sink. (No worries nothing about toilet training, just watching her cues and her toilet habits). This made it much easier to use cloth diapers. For times I couldn't get her to poo in the sink I would use dry liners in the cloth diapers which could then be flushed down the toilet. I am sure you can order them from abroad. Light and cheap. I used two cloth diaper systems; all in ones (swaddlebees) which are great for outdoors but take some time to dry and cotton nappies in waterproof covers which were easy to use and dry if around the house. I couldn't get hold of a good cloth diaper for the night so used disposable ones for nighttime. But I know there are some specially designed night time wool nappies which I would have loved to try.
The book I mentioned also has an excellent information about all kind of cloth nappies that exist. I strongly recommend it.
Good luck,
Feride
To: naturalbirthturkey@yahoogroups.com From: KateRN1@... Date: Wed, 11 Nov 2009 23:54:02 +0000 Subject: RE: [naturalbirthturkey] (unknown)
NO!!!! Never, ever, ever use fabric softener on cloth diapers! That is the fastest and easiest way to completely ruin them. Cotton diapers will soften with use and if fabric softeners are used, they will start to repel mositure and hold odors. The best way I found to wash my cloth diapers was this: do not put them in a wet pail to soak, that will only guarantee to set the odors in. Place the dirty diapers in a bucket, use some baking soda to cut down on odors if you like. On wash day, put them in the washer and use a pre-wash cycle, the longest and hottest regular wash cycle with about 1/2 the recommended detergent, making sure it's free of softeners, brighteners, dyes, and perfumes, then add an extra rinse, sometimes two if you notice odors. If you can smell anything on the diapers, including the detergent, they need to be rinsed again. You can also add a cup of white vinegar to the final rinse (just put in the fabric softener dispenser) to help strip any leftover detergent out. Do not use bleach as that will ruin the fabric and will leave a toxic residue on the diapers.
If you have used fabric softener on the diapers, there are a couple of ways to strip them. The easiest way is with Dawn dish detergent, but I had decent results with the green dish detergent I bought at the pazar. Use the dish detergent in place of the laundry detergent through a cold wash cycle, then follow with a regular warm or hot cycle without any detergent, basically giving them another 2-3 rinses.
To: naturalbirthturkey@yahoogroups.com From: pregnancydiet@mindspring.com Date: Wed, 11 Nov 2009 09:30:53 -0600 Subject: Re: [naturalbirthturkey] (unknown)
I do not know about that brand particularly, but I do know that generally speaking a mild detergent needs to be used, plus a fabric softener, to help the cotton nappies stay soft. And sometimes babies have skin that just reacts to certain detergents or fabric softeners, so sometimes changing to a milder one helps with skin reactions. But perhaps this brand just didn't work for you. There seems to be so many different brands now that perhaps another one would work better for you.
Joy
On Nov 11, 2009, at 4:31 AM, jo harris wrote:
Hi I bought a trial set of the new re-usable nappies available in Turkey- baby Neo- they did not work at all for me. I tries them when my baby was 5 weeks old. She hated them, she cried when I put them on her and seemed to cry more when she had them on. They leaked everywhere, especially the poo. They were so huge when all the layers were applied that she could not where much else on the bottom. I consider myself a fairly dedicated environmentalist but gave up using these. Maybe it is just this brand.... I found that the temperature they had to be washed at 60* and the water, soaking them, but especially her reaction to them be off-putting as well as the extra time necessary. I do not like the idea of contributing to landfill plus all the other things created in the production of commercial nappies but I was not convinced with baby neo at least. Regards Jo in Istanbul
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NO!!!! Never, ever, ever use fabric softener on cloth diapers! That is the fastest and easiest way to completely ruin them. Cotton diapers will soften with use and if fabric softeners are used, they will start to repel mositure and hold odors. The best way I found to wash my cloth diapers was this: do not put them in a wet pail to soak, that will only guarantee to set the odors in. Place the dirty diapers in a bucket, use some baking soda to cut down on odors if you like. On wash day, put them in the washer and use a pre-wash cycle, the longest and hottest regular wash cycle with about 1/2 the recommended detergent, making sure it's free of softeners, brighteners, dyes, and perfumes, then add an extra rinse, sometimes two if you notice odors. If you can smell anything on the diapers, including the detergent, they need to be rinsed again. You can also add a cup of white vinegar to the final rinse (just put in the fabric softener dispenser) to help strip any leftover detergent out. Do not use bleach as that will ruin the fabric and will leave a toxic residue on the diapers.
If you have used fabric softener on the diapers, there are a couple of ways to strip them. The easiest way is with Dawn dish detergent, but I had decent results with the green dish detergent I bought at the pazar. Use the dish detergent in place of the laundry detergent through a cold wash cycle, then follow with a regular warm or hot cycle without any detergent, basically giving them another 2-3 rinses.
To: naturalbirthturkey@yahoogroups.com From: pregnancydiet@... Date: Wed, 11 Nov 2009 09:30:53 -0600 Subject: Re: [naturalbirthturkey] (unknown)
I do not know about that brand particularly, but I do know that generally speaking a mild detergent needs to be used, plus a fabric softener, to help the cotton nappies stay soft. And sometimes babies have skin that just reacts to certain detergents or fabric softeners, so sometimes changing to a milder one helps with skin reactions. But perhaps this brand just didn't work for you. There seems to be so many different brands now that perhaps another one would work better for you.
Joy
On Nov 11, 2009, at 4:31 AM, jo harris wrote:
Hi I bought a trial set of the new re-usable nappies available in Turkey- baby Neo- they did not work at all for me. I tries them when my baby was 5 weeks old. She hated them, she cried when I put them on her and seemed to cry more when she had them on. They leaked everywhere, especially the poo. They were so huge when all the layers were applied that she could not where much else on the bottom. I consider myself a fairly dedicated environmentalist but gave up using these. Maybe it is just this brand.... I found that the temperature they had to be washed at 60* and the water, soaking them, but especially her reaction to them be off-putting as well as the extra time necessary. I do not like the idea of contributing to landfill plus all the other things created in the production of commercial nappies but I was not convinced with baby neo at least. Regards Jo in Istanbul
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I also dont know this brand but yes cloth nappy systems can be more difficult to get used to with new borns, when baby is so small and there is so much liquid poo. Its easier when they get a bit bigger. T
To: naturalbirthturkey@yahoogroups.com From: joha1970@... Date: Wed, 11 Nov 2009 02:31:28 -0800 Subject: [naturalbirthturkey] (unknown)
Hi I bought a trial set of the new re-usable nappies available in Turkey- baby Neo- they did not work at all for me. I tries them when my baby was 5 weeks old. She hated them, she cried when I put them on her and seemed to cry more when she had them on. They leaked everywhere, especially the poo. They were so huge when all the layers were applied that she could not where much else on the bottom. I consider myself a fairly dedicated environmentalist but gave up using these. Maybe it is just this brand.... I found that the temperature they had to be washed at 60* and the water, soaking them, but especially her reaction to them be off-putting as well as the extra time necessary. I do not like the idea of contributing to landfill plus all the other things created in the production of commercial nappies
but I was not convinced with baby neo at least. Regards Jo in Istanbul
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I do not know about that brand particularly, but I do know that generally speaking a mild detergent needs to be used, plus a fabric softener, to help the cotton nappies stay soft. And sometimes babies have skin that just reacts to certain detergents or fabric softeners, so sometimes changing to a milder one helps with skin reactions. But perhaps this brand just didn't work for you. There seems to be so many different brands now that perhaps another one would work better for you.
Joy
On Nov 11, 2009, at 4:31 AM, jo harris wrote:
Hi I bought a trial set of the new re-usable nappies available in Turkey- baby Neo- they did not work at all for me. I tries them when my baby was 5 weeks old. She hated them, she cried when I put them on her and seemed to cry more when she had them on. They leaked everywhere, especially the poo. They were so huge when all the layers were applied that she could not where much else on the bottom. I consider myself a fairly dedicated environmentalist but gave up using these. Maybe it is just this brand.... I found that the temperature they had to be washed at 60* and the water, soaking them, but especially her reaction to them be off-putting as well as the extra time necessary. I do not like the idea of contributing to landfill plus all the other things created in the production of commercial nappies but I was not convinced with baby neo at least. Regards Jo in Istanbul
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Years ago they also were saying that the super-absorbent disposable diapers, which used a gel in the lining for increasing the absorbency, emitted dioxins (a carcinogen?) when it got wet. I don't know if that technology is still being used in disposables, but that was appalling to me, and I could not believe that parents would still use disposables when that news was coming out.
Joy
On Nov 11, 2009, at 4:20 AM, Tamahine Alemdar wrote:
Hello,
i have also used them for both my babies (but disposables on the road as someone said). i brought mine over from uk (cotton bottoms and bambino mio pre folds) i actually copied the design and made my first babies nappies by buying white toweling in bulk and layering it but they didnt last for baby 2, they got too thin. maybe if a better fabric can be found its an option if you have time. liners are really useful as someone said, help baby feel dry and just throw the dirty ones in the toilet, clean ones can be flushed, composted or burned, my mum sends them out to me but i'm sure you can order them online. i wash mine about every 3 days, i have about 25 nappies (more than enough) and 5 over pants.
disposables are made of ...... petrol! bleached paper and perfume, all nasty stuff. of course now in europe etc you can get organic through away ones too for the road but not here yet.
you have to be good at changing your baby they cannot stay as long in a cotton nappy as a disposables or they get red and uncomfortable. yes they get less rashes and they do say that kids brought up in cloth nappies toilet train easier as they develop a stronger connection to the feeling of urinating/wet/dry. nappies alone contribute a large percentage of landfil waste.
a website catalogue i use that sends to Turkey and has lots of interesting stuff including a range of nappies is www.spiritofnature.com. it can be confusing choosing between the different options available - a basic white cotton prefold nappy and a wrap over pant (and liner) is what the majority of people use and different companies make this style. they are a bit bulkier than disposables so occasionally some trousers or shorts may not fit with them.
Tamahine
To: naturalbirthturkey@yahoogroups.com From: okezin@yahoo.com Date: Tue, 10 Nov 2009 10:41:34 -0800 Subject: Re: [naturalbirthturkey] Reusable Diapers!
the trick is you have to wash the poop as soon as the diaper is used and sometimes it can be tiring. I washed my diapers once a week. I had a garbage can used just for that. I put the ones with urine directly into it and the ones with poop after washing them. When the time came to wash the diapers, I used prewash cycle first with cold water and then washed the diapers in hot cycle with an eco-friendly detergent.
advantages are especially for male children. I made great research on this topic before investing in cloth diapers. (they are expensive at the beginning but they pay for themselves by time). disposable diapers keep the genital area hot and humid which is not good especially for male children. There are even websites mentioning the connection between low sperm count and the use of disposable diapers. syntetic materials easily cause rash. your baby,s skin does not breath with disposable ones. and cancerogen materials are used in production.
on the other hand, you do not have these problems with cloth diapers but then you have to wash and dry them. You should have enough number of diapers to be able to go for a week without washing them. sometimes you do not have the energy or mood to wash the poop as soon as diaper is used. I use them for almost two years. I used disposable ones when we were out or traveling just because it was not practical to use the cloth ones.
Hi I bought a trial set of the new re-usable nappies available in Turkey- baby Neo- they did not work at all for me. I tries them when my baby was 5 weeks old. She hated them, she cried when I put them on her and seemed to cry more when she had them on. They leaked everywhere, especially the poo. They were so huge when all the layers were applied that she could not where much else on the bottom. I consider myself a fairly dedicated environmentalist but gave up using these. Maybe it is just this brand.... I found that the temperature they had to be washed at 60* and the water, soaking them, but especially her reaction to them be off-putting as well as the extra time necessary. I do not like the idea of contributing to landfill plus all the other things created in the production of commercial nappies
but I was not convinced with baby neo at least. Regards Jo in Istanbul
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