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You summarized most of the problems about birthing in Turkey.
I also feel very sorry for the members that participate in my course. After the course they feel greati trust their babies and bodies.They are almost ready for natural birth.
But I also know that their rate of a natural birth will not be as high as they imagine. Because I know the system.
I give them all the knowledge to judge their doctors and hospitals. This is not for accusing doctors, but to protect their babies. Unfortunately most of them loose the fight for a naturel birth.
I know all this from the beginning but there is nothing I can do accept using the media for telling the importance of the natural birth.
The revolution must come from the women themselves. I can feel thet its slowly coming.
Of course I can come to Bursa for a course. But I think it will be in September or October.The problem with the courses are the way we organize.
Usually I organize the m by myself through the internet.When the visit the web site , women are very interested with what I say about natural birth.But when its time for working for a natural birth they always have an excuse.
I have been aducating pregnant women in thge last 3 years. I had my certificates from 2 international centres. We had very good results. Ve experience wonderfull births. Managed to organize a home water birth in Marmaris.
Still there are few to knock the door, and as "" Hello, what do you do here? Will it help me birthing my child?"
It's ironic that some try to escape from me thinking that I will force them for a naturel birth. They are cesarean funs.
So organizing the courses is not that easy, you will see when you try.
By the way Bursa is not that far from İstanbul, If there are people who are willing to take the course , they can join the course in İstanbul. It will be at the weekend, so that everybody can join.
Take care.
Op.Dr.Hakan Çoker LCCE(Lamaze Certified Childbirth Educator)---HypnoBirthing® Practitioner
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Ametist Hamile Eğitimi-Marmaris hakancoker@...
www.dogaldogum.com
Doğal Doğuma Destek ve Hazırlık Grubu www.health.groups.yahoo.com/group/dogaldogum2008/
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----- Original Message -----From: Nicolas SOUBELETSent: Tuesday, May 20, 2008 12:17 AMSubject: [naturalbirthturkey] Re: Good doctor and a more natural birth in BursaMerhaba everybody,I'm glad to say that I will do my best to help Victoria here in Bursa. If we're part of this group, it's because we're "all in this together", right?I was sorry to read that the advice that I gave Vicky when we met briefly through a mutual friend at Starbuck's several months ago wasn't enough to keep her from feeling "pushed" into the triple-test, then amnio, etc. (I said "watch out, girlfriend!"). We, as women, and as "patients", feel so powerless when faced with an "expert" in a white coat and a very worried-looking spouse (don't you agree, Kate and Hakan?), even if, as Vicky said, we consider ourselves to be very well informed. We still get, or allow ourselves to get, the rough end of the stick!Vicky, I'm really happy that you found this group and feel ready to reach out and know that you're not the only one who feels "this way"!Take all the B.S. about what you can and cannot do for "first births" that we have been talking about recently. Unfortunately, in my experience as a midwife, your first birth experience either sets you up to repeat the same pattern ("Even if it wasn't what I orginally wanted, the epidural was pretty comfortable in the end, I think I'll get it earlier next time!") or disgusts you so badly that you do a 180° turn ("Let's have a 'free birth', honey!"). It's not fair of us, as medical practicioners, to set up this "whatever you want for your 2nd birth" policy (especially in Turkey, which has a MASSIVE c-section rate and a "no VBAC rule"!). I fought this kind of practice myself (and lost) when I found myself pregnant and new to Paris - and I REALLY should have known better! Although, Hakan, I am sympathetic to the pressures of responsibility that doctors face. It's the whole system that screws things up, I guess...I'm telling you, Dr. Coker, you need to come and do a workshop in Bursa, please! For all the women here who are interested in natural birth, not just expats.Take care,Elizabeth
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