people have written to my personal e-mail saying that this mail is very
interesting, and it plants the seed for the meeting to discuss what is
natural birth? İt also high lights that this is not a flash in the plan
project - that it is something that will take years to accomplish as
changing a few decades of cultural belief and the structure of education is
a tremendous work.

Also the whole movement for natural mothering doesnt end with the birth - it
covers issues such as breastfeeding, vaccinations, nutrition and appropriate
foods, and perhaps such things as laying baby down to sleep - i m not sure
of the common opinion in Turkey now but i know that they used to put babies
on their front and that in England there was a big campaign to put babies on
thier back as it significantly reduces the risk of cot death - such things
should also be considered and discussed eventually to bring the whole child
rearing arena upto date.

T x



>From: Julia Steils <julia@...>
>Reply-To: naturalbirthturkey@yahoogroups.com
>To: naturalbirthturkey@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: Re: [naturalbirthturkey] Re-sends
>Date: Sun, 05 Nov 2006 15:45:16 +0200
>
>I think we also need to keep in mind that even if a woman were to choose
>natural birth here in Turkey (and I have met many who would want it) and
>even if the doctor truly believes that he or she is providing natural
>birth, it more than likely isn't. We really need to make a definition
>between "vaginal" and "natural", because the births I have
>attended/heard first-hand accounts of may end vaginally, but are far
>from natural. This seems to be due mainly to the lack of training on
>the part of the drs and nurses regarding the physiology of normal birth
>and how to support women (non medically) during this time. This is an
>issue stemming from the training which they receive in medical school
>and also the position of the dr in Turkish society as infallible. There
>are some very big political, social and financial issues at work here
>which we must understand very clearly before mounting an informational
>campaign. It will not be as simple as telling women how great natural
>birth is or how risky cesarean can be. The drs also need to understand
>it, and truly believe in and work towards helping women who want to
>deliver normally. For that to happen, someone in a position of power
>must be educating /the doctors.
>
>
>/In short, I completely agree with Tamahine regarding free choice. The
>big job now becomes simultaneously educating women and providing an
>opportunity for free choice (ie drs and facilities which truly support
>natural birth).
>
>And I just now realized that pretty much everything I have just said is
>on our first agenda, so I thank you all for allowing me my soap box!
>
>
>
>Tamahine Alemdar wrote:
> > Thats great Oya - we really need your help on this. For sure we will be
> > asked - but some woman choose to have cesereans and surley thats 'free
> > choice'?. Firstly women are not encouraged or supported to consider
> > differently but if woman are adequetly informed and then make a choice
>this
> > is free choice but the woman are not adequetly informed - they dont tell
>of
> > the complications of cesereans, infections etc and how long it takes to
>heal
> > compared with natural birth. they dont tell of the benefits to the
>babies,
> > so this is not free choice. And the woman who want natural birth and
>cannot
> > find a dr to support them, they dont get a free choice.
> >
> > i found a nice site (though i havnt had time to read it all) if anyone
>wants
> > to take a look:
> >
> > http://www.socalbirth.org/shelly/whynat.htm
> >
> > T x
> >
> >
> >
> >> From: "Oya Ayman" <oya.ayman@...>
> >> Reply-To: naturalbirthturkey@yahoogroups.com
> >> To: <naturalbirthturkey@yahoogroups.com>
> >> CC: <yasemin.ozkal@...>
> >> Subject: RE: [naturalbirthturkey] Re-sends
> >> Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2006 11:36:22 +0200
> >>
> >>
> >> Dear Tamahine and all friends
> >> I really feel exciting about this group. I hope it will be more than
> >> yahoogroup soon...
> >> First I should say, I could work for media presentation (TV, Radio
> >> programme, newspaper and magazines) And I also would like join the
>meeting
> >> if I have time. Late January looks fine.
> >> The meeting agender in advance looks fine too. May be we should give
>answer
> >> for some questions about cesarian... why women want to be cesarian or
>why
> >> the doctors advice cesarian?
> >> And we can make some interesting interview with who give natural birth,
>and
> >> give birth with cesarian and compare. And we could fine somr people who
> >> suffered because of cesarian (like me).
> >>
> >> Thanks Tamahine for this great starting.
> >> Take care
> >> Oya
> >>
> >>
> >> Oya Ayman
> >> Editor
> >> National Geographic Turkiye
> >> Dogus Iletisim A.S.
> >> Eski Buyukdere Cad.
> >> USO Center No:61
> >> Maslak/Istanbul/Turkiye
> >> Tel: 0212.335 46 43
> >> Faks: 0212.330 03 23
> >>
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: naturalbirthturkey@yahoogroups.com
> >> [mailto:naturalbirthturkey@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Tamahine
>Alemdar
> >> Sent: Wednesday, November 01, 2006 10:48 AM
> >> To: naturalbirthturkey@yahoogroups.com
> >> Subject: [naturalbirthturkey] Re-sends
> >>
> >> Dear Friends,
> >>
> >> i am resending the previouse correspondence as new people have been
>added
> >> to
> >> the group and need to be brought up to date (just read down):
> >>
> >> Tamahine Alemdar wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>> Dear friends,
> >>>
> >>> i hope that now the majority of people i know who are interested in
>this
> >>> subject have registered to the group, so id like to invite you all to
>a
> >>> meeting to begin activley campaigning for natural birth in Turkey. As
> >>>
> >> some
> >>
> >>> of the key women are currently working in istanbul with woman and
>birth
> >>>
> >> the
> >>
> >>> meeting should be held in istanbul for all to be able to attend.
> >>>
> >>> Julia has kindly offered her home as a meeting point, she will get
>back
> >>>
> >> to
> >>
> >>> us with her address details nearer the time.
> >>>
> >>> i feel that its important that Julia and her group, and Feride and her
> >>> group can all be present and also Oya who is a journalist and can help
>us
> >>> greatly with media issues an also Gamze a child Dr. i know who is also
> >>> studying homeopathy, as i feel she could give us important
>information.
> >>>
> >> And
> >>
> >>> of course anyone else who would like to come.
> >>>
> >>> i know it can take alot to get everyone to together at the same time
>so
> >>> just throwing a ball in the park to begin - i suggest January sometime
> >>> (after the holiday season has settled down) and people have some time
>to
> >>> plan. How does that sound? Anybody not here then? and what day should
>it
> >>>
> >> be
> >>
> >>> on? im not familiar with everyones work arrangments.
> >>>
> >>> We can plan a meeting agender in advance - ideas that come to mind
>are:
> >>>
> >>> - what is natural birth?
> >>> - what is the situation in Turkey at present
> >>> - how to obtain statistics to compare with European models
> >>> - campaign plan, including media
> >>> - connecting with other groups - World Health Organisation, Active
>Birth
> >>> Center
> >>> - education reform - both woman and dr. s
> >>> - findişng a dr willing to work naturally
> >>> - material translation into Turkish
> >>>
> >>> Please let me know if there is anything else.
> >>>
> >>> Warm regards and i look forward to meeting everyone soon,
> >>>
> >>> Tamahine
> >>>
> >> Hi, this is Julia writing. Thanks Tamahine for getting the ball
> >> rolling! Mid January works well for me for the time being. I would
> >> personally suggest a weekend meeting time, as some people are coming
> >>
> > >from a distance, although I dont know everyone's work schedules. We
>may
> >
> >> also want to have 2 consecutive days together to get to know eachother
> >> and really set the groundwork for what we want to accomplish. My
> >> schedule is pretty flexible, just Thursdays are generally not good.
> >> I'll just wait to hear back from everyone else re their schedules and
> >> then we can set a date and I'll send directions.
> >>
> >> I think Tamahine's agenda looks like a good starting point, and will
> >> probably turn out to be quite a lot for one meeting. There are a lot
>of
> >> issues at work there!
> >>
> >> Looking forward to meeting you all!
> >> Blessings,
> >> Julia
> >>
> >> Thats great, so we just wait to hear from everybody when they can make
>it.
> >> Something else has come to light. Some tv guys from TRT came to 'us'
> >> (bugday) yesterday to make a small programme about volunteering
>(tatuta) so
> >> i also had a chance to talk to them about our subject and get soıme
>advice.
> >> Firstly they said that the media is starting to get interested in this
> >> subject so they will forward on our details to these people. They said
>that
> >> newspapers would be the best to start with - printing womens stories
>(and
> >> this is what they did in Poland to begin) and then they suggested that
>we
> >> launch a Press Release. We need a group of you proffessionals to
>present
> >> and
> >> then answer questions. Victor said that Bugday would certainly support
>and
> >> help us to organise this as they have experience in this kind of thing.
>The
> >> tv guys were very sympathetic as one of thier wives also had an
>unwanted
> >> c-section.
> >>
> >> Personally i would like to make a documentary of a womans story with
>hidden
> >> cameras to see how many different dr s give different reason s to
> >> operate......
> >>
> >> Hope to hear from you soon,
> >>
> >> T x
> >>
> >> hi all,
> >>
> >> since i can t make it to Istanbul because i am in Bangladesh, I can
>only
> >> offer to press my ex-boyfriend,who edits a lifestyle magazine in
>Istanbul,
> >> i
> >> am quite sure he would print your story, or an article about natural
>birth,
> >> if you are interested. Here in Bangladesh also all doctors try to force
> >> women to get a cesarian, middle-class of course. in the villages it s
>still
> >> the old thing, thanks to public underserving, there are no doctors. But
> >> lately i even discovered a donor foundation whose founder is a doctor
>and
> >> he
> >> promotes "safe motherhood" for third world countries, which means
>cesarian
> >> instead of natutal birth. What a sad story.
> >> I wish you all the best, and keep my fingers crossed for you guys,
> >>
> >> andrea
> >>
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