I think we also need to keep in mind that even if a woman were to choose
natural birth here in Turkey (and I have met many who would want it) and
even if the doctor truly believes that he or she is providing natural
birth, it more than likely isn't. We really need to make a definition
between "vaginal" and "natural", because the births I have
attended/heard first-hand accounts of may end vaginally, but are far
from natural. This seems to be due mainly to the lack of training on
the part of the drs and nurses regarding the physiology of normal birth
and how to support women (non medically) during this time. This is an
issue stemming from the training which they receive in medical school
and also the position of the dr in Turkish society as infallible. There
are some very big political, social and financial issues at work here
which we must understand very clearly before mounting an informational
campaign. It will not be as simple as telling women how great natural
birth is or how risky cesarean can be. The drs also need to understand
it, and truly believe in and work towards helping women who want to
deliver normally. For that to happen, someone in a position of power
must be educating /the doctors.


/In short, I completely agree with Tamahine regarding free choice. The
big job now becomes simultaneously educating women and providing an
opportunity for free choice (ie drs and facilities which truly support
natural birth).

And I just now realized that pretty much everything I have just said is
on our first agenda, so I thank you all for allowing me my soap box!



Tamahine Alemdar wrote:
> Thats great Oya - we really need your help on this. For sure we will be
> asked - but some woman choose to have cesereans and surley thats 'free
> choice'?. Firstly women are not encouraged or supported to consider
> differently but if woman are adequetly informed and then make a choice this
> is free choice but the woman are not adequetly informed - they dont tell of
> the complications of cesereans, infections etc and how long it takes to heal
> compared with natural birth. they dont tell of the benefits to the babies,
> so this is not free choice. And the woman who want natural birth and cannot
> find a dr to support them, they dont get a free choice.
>
> i found a nice site (though i havnt had time to read it all) if anyone wants
> to take a look:
>
> http://www.socalbirth.org/shelly/whynat.htm
>
> T x
>
>
>
>> From: "Oya Ayman" <oya.ayman@...>
>> Reply-To: naturalbirthturkey@yahoogroups.com
>> To: <naturalbirthturkey@yahoogroups.com>
>> CC: <yasemin.ozkal@...>
>> Subject: RE: [naturalbirthturkey] Re-sends
>> Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2006 11:36:22 +0200
>>
>>
>> Dear Tamahine and all friends
>> I really feel exciting about this group. I hope it will be more than
>> yahoogroup soon...
>> First I should say, I could work for media presentation (TV, Radio
>> programme, newspaper and magazines) And I also would like join the meeting
>> if I have time. Late January looks fine.
>> The meeting agender in advance looks fine too. May be we should give answer
>> for some questions about cesarian... why women want to be cesarian or why
>> the doctors advice cesarian?
>> And we can make some interesting interview with who give natural birth, and
>> give birth with cesarian and compare. And we could fine somr people who
>> suffered because of cesarian (like me).
>>
>> Thanks Tamahine for this great starting.
>> Take care
>> Oya
>>
>>
>> Oya Ayman
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>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: naturalbirthturkey@yahoogroups.com
>> [mailto:naturalbirthturkey@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Tamahine Alemdar
>> Sent: Wednesday, November 01, 2006 10:48 AM
>> To: naturalbirthturkey@yahoogroups.com
>> Subject: [naturalbirthturkey] Re-sends
>>
>> Dear Friends,
>>
>> i am resending the previouse correspondence as new people have been added
>> to
>> the group and need to be brought up to date (just read down):
>>
>> Tamahine Alemdar wrote:
>>
>>
>>> Dear friends,
>>>
>>> i hope that now the majority of people i know who are interested in this
>>> subject have registered to the group, so id like to invite you all to a
>>> meeting to begin activley campaigning for natural birth in Turkey. As
>>>
>> some
>>
>>> of the key women are currently working in istanbul with woman and birth
>>>
>> the
>>
>>> meeting should be held in istanbul for all to be able to attend.
>>>
>>> Julia has kindly offered her home as a meeting point, she will get back
>>>
>> to
>>
>>> us with her address details nearer the time.
>>>
>>> i feel that its important that Julia and her group, and Feride and her
>>> group can all be present and also Oya who is a journalist and can help us
>>> greatly with media issues an also Gamze a child Dr. i know who is also
>>> studying homeopathy, as i feel she could give us important information.
>>>
>> And
>>
>>> of course anyone else who would like to come.
>>>
>>> i know it can take alot to get everyone to together at the same time so
>>> just throwing a ball in the park to begin - i suggest January sometime
>>> (after the holiday season has settled down) and people have some time to
>>> plan. How does that sound? Anybody not here then? and what day should it
>>>
>> be
>>
>>> on? im not familiar with everyones work arrangments.
>>>
>>> We can plan a meeting agender in advance - ideas that come to mind are:
>>>
>>> - what is natural birth?
>>> - what is the situation in Turkey at present
>>> - how to obtain statistics to compare with European models
>>> - campaign plan, including media
>>> - connecting with other groups - World Health Organisation, Active Birth
>>> Center
>>> - education reform - both woman and dr. s
>>> - findişng a dr willing to work naturally
>>> - material translation into Turkish
>>>
>>> Please let me know if there is anything else.
>>>
>>> Warm regards and i look forward to meeting everyone soon,
>>>
>>> Tamahine
>>>
>> Hi, this is Julia writing. Thanks Tamahine for getting the ball
>> rolling! Mid January works well for me for the time being. I would
>> personally suggest a weekend meeting time, as some people are coming
>>
> >from a distance, although I dont know everyone's work schedules. We may
>
>> also want to have 2 consecutive days together to get to know eachother
>> and really set the groundwork for what we want to accomplish. My
>> schedule is pretty flexible, just Thursdays are generally not good.
>> I'll just wait to hear back from everyone else re their schedules and
>> then we can set a date and I'll send directions.
>>
>> I think Tamahine's agenda looks like a good starting point, and will
>> probably turn out to be quite a lot for one meeting. There are a lot of
>> issues at work there!
>>
>> Looking forward to meeting you all!
>> Blessings,
>> Julia
>>
>> Thats great, so we just wait to hear from everybody when they can make it.
>> Something else has come to light. Some tv guys from TRT came to 'us'
>> (bugday) yesterday to make a small programme about volunteering (tatuta) so
>> i also had a chance to talk to them about our subject and get soıme advice.
>> Firstly they said that the media is starting to get interested in this
>> subject so they will forward on our details to these people. They said that
>> newspapers would be the best to start with - printing womens stories (and
>> this is what they did in Poland to begin) and then they suggested that we
>> launch a Press Release. We need a group of you proffessionals to present
>> and
>> then answer questions. Victor said that Bugday would certainly support and
>> help us to organise this as they have experience in this kind of thing. The
>> tv guys were very sympathetic as one of thier wives also had an unwanted
>> c-section.
>>
>> Personally i would like to make a documentary of a womans story with hidden
>> cameras to see how many different dr s give different reason s to
>> operate......
>>
>> Hope to hear from you soon,
>>
>> T x
>>
>> hi all,
>>
>> since i can t make it to Istanbul because i am in Bangladesh, I can only
>> offer to press my ex-boyfriend,who edits a lifestyle magazine in Istanbul,
>> i
>> am quite sure he would print your story, or an article about natural birth,
>> if you are interested. Here in Bangladesh also all doctors try to force
>> women to get a cesarian, middle-class of course. in the villages it s still
>> the old thing, thanks to public underserving, there are no doctors. But
>> lately i even discovered a donor foundation whose founder is a doctor and
>> he
>> promotes "safe motherhood" for third world countries, which means cesarian
>> instead of natutal birth. What a sad story.
>> I wish you all the best, and keep my fingers crossed for you guys,
>>
>> andrea
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