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#6965 From: Bob Armstrong <bullcat831@...>
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#6964 From: dwight black <dwightppp@...>
Date: Tue Nov 1, 2005 1:59 am
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Harry:

Do I remember that you were over in Germany earlier,
or was that someone else???

I read about a product that has been sold in Germany
for the last 30 years as a cell rejuvenator.  German
oncologists have also claimed it will kill cancer
cells.

The theory is that an increase in respiration of the
microchondria that increase oxygen in the cells and we
are to believe that cancer cells can't stand oxygen.
Harvard Medical Schooll did a lab experiment that
showed that a mere 5% increase in mitochondria to
mouse ovaries cut the death rate by 50%.

The inventor of this stuff (which is beet juice with
yeast cells) says it will increase mitochondria cells
by 25%. At the World Congress for High Technology
Medicine in Lucerne Switzerland, a Dr. Serge Jurasunas
claimed to have treated over 20,000 cancer ptients
over the years with outstanding results.

While in Germany, did you ever hear about this
product, sold as Body Oxygen??

Dwight Black

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#6963 From: Lall <xd848@...>
Date: Tue Nov 1, 2005 12:36 am
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Hi Guys

Has anyone tried Urostar ( formerly known as Peenuts PC) ? If so, please tell of your results.

Lall

Harry Kessel <hkessel@...> wrote:
If a silver bullet exists from any source I would like to know what it
is!!!!!!!!!!!!!!.............Harry K

On Tuesday, October 18, 2005, at 09:43 AM, InNapa@... wrote:

> The new Prostasol seems to work for a very small number of PC victims.
> They should consideer themselves privilged, fortunate for it doesn't
> seem to have the desired affect on the vast majority of us.
> KWD has definitly not discovered a "silver bullet"..
> Orlando
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#6962 From: "Ken Backwell $Sr$" <harmoniken@...>
Date: Tue Nov 1, 2005 12:26 am
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And I, in spades.

Cheers

Ken

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If a silver bullet exists from any source I would like to know what it is!!!!!!!!!!!!!!.............Harry K

On Tuesday, October 18, 2005, at 09:43 AM, InNapa@... wrote:

The new Prostasol seems to work for a very small number of PC victims.
They should consideer themselves privilged, fortunate for it doesn't
seem to have the desired affect on the vast majority of us.
KWD has definitly not discovered a "silver bullet"..
Orlando

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#6961 From: Harry Kessel <hkessel@...>
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If a silver bullet exists from any source I would like to know what it
is!!!!!!!!!!!!!!.............Harry K


On Tuesday, October 18, 2005, at 09:43  AM, InNapa@... wrote:

> The new Prostasol seems to work for a very small number of PC victims.
> They should consideer themselves privilged, fortunate for it doesn't
> seem to have the desired affect on the vast majority of us.
> KWD has definitly not discovered a "silver bullet"..
> Orlando
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#6960 From: natural_prostate_treatments@yahoogroups.com
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#6959 From: "dominick c. vecchio" <elvismlv@...>
Date: Sat Oct 29, 2005 7:37 pm
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More BS than brains but if you believe in fairytales...

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HI Group

I purchased Nov/Dec issue of Well Beng Journal. A letter to the editor caught my eye: You cn read the letter and then decide if you want to investigate further.

Dear Editor

I eradicatead prostate cancer for under $`1.00. I did so by inhaling an atomized spray of hydrogen peroxide through my mouth 5 or 6 times a day. This was the same 3% solution of hydrogen peroxide that one purchases in a drugstore. I suffered no discomfort, side efffects or nausea from the hydrogen peroxide, unless of course you consider "beating" cancer is a discomforting thought. The unbelieving government agents, medical doctors and the pharmaceutical industry say it cannotb e done. I am living proof they are wrong.

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#6958 From: "dominick c. vecchio" <elvismlv@...>
Date: Sat Oct 29, 2005 7:27 pm
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I believe that this heating of the prostate in a tub of water is an attempt to mimic the use of hifu which does a similar event.

Think of CRyo and how invasive that is and think your body's

temp when you have a high fever.

Would you kill your Pca if you had pneumonia And 106 degree internal body temp. Its like the old joke of the dr who cant cure a cold so he gives you pneumonis which he can cure.

Pca is heat resistant, by God its even radiation resistant.

Its because it divides so slowly like a normal cell and leaves the prostate earlier than we think.

One good thing is it presents normally at the rectal wall so it is possible to harm the PCa without invasive procedures.

Killing it is not likely without further investigation.

However, there two things inthis scenario unaddressed.

One is that this Sitz bath might avert prostatitis which provokes Pca and one should consider prostate massage to get rid of congestion within the acini of the prostate especially it shrinks under CHB.

The massage part baffles me so if you know how to do it,

please let me know.

Dom

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Dennis, sorry i don't know the temp. of prostate- i can't get in there with a thermometer! actually, the water temp. should be at least 42.5 degrees C acc. to the scientist who told me about this. keep putting in more hot water as the tub gradually cools, to keep it at that high temp. does it work? long history of anecdotal evidence, acc. to him. certainly soothing for anyone with prostatitis, those prostate pains, etc. Shel --- Dennis Fortier <dioalp@...> wrote: > Hi Shel, > > What would be the temp of the prostate after 20 > minutes in 42 C water? > > Do you know from experience or anecdotal that what > you > suggest is effective? I've read the attached but > haven't read of any trials or anectotal references > that it does any good. > > Every year I visit the hot springs and cook my body > in > 104 degrees F and haven't noticed any PSA changes. > Perhaps I need to stay in the water longer... at > least > 20 minutes? > > Dennis > > --- shel litt <shellitt@...> wrote: > > > If one wants to heat up the prostate, an older, > > simpler method to use is the Sitzbath. > > > > sit in a very hot tub, immersing just the lower > part > > of the body. water temp. should be 42 degrees > > Centigrade. 20 minutes, twice per day. > > > > that will get heat into the prostate. > > > > Sheldon > > > > --- cam bishop <camero7@...> wrote: > > > > > Here's a very interesting article. > > > cam bishop > > > > > > Prostate cancer treatment enhanced by > ultrasound. > > > October 12, 2005 > > > > > > Subject: Ultrasound treatment of prostate cancer > > > increases > > > effectiveness of quercetin. > > > > > > It is well established that prostate cancer > cells > > > are sensitive to > > > quercetin, a plant chemical found in onions, > > apples, > > > wine and other > > > plants. Although the exact mechanisms of action > > > aren't yet known, it > > > is well accepted that quercetin slows down > > prostate > > > cancer cell growth > > > or stimulates their self destruction through > > > apoptosis. [i] > > > > > > It is also pretty well accepted that for some > > reason > > > prostate cancer > > > cells are sensitive to heat. Warming them up > kills > > > them. [ii] There > > > are various 'alternative cancer therapy' gadgets > > > that attempt to > > > deliver heat to the prostate gland. > > > > > > It seems you can put these two bits of > information > > > together. Quercetin > > > treatment of prostate cancer cells increases > their > > > sensitivity to > > > heat.(or perhaps its the other way around, > bottom > > > line is for a > > > prostate cancer cell quercetin and heat don't > > > mix)[iii] > > > > > > One of the easiest ways to deliver heat into > > > specific areas of the > > > body is through the use of therapeutic > ultrasound > > > machines. These > > > aren't the gadgets that they look inside the > body > > > with, like to see > > > what sex the baby is. These ultrasound machines > > > simply project > > > ultrasound vibrations into the tissue. The > > vibration > > > is converted to > > > heat. You'll see these gadgets in physical > therapy > > > settings. They can > > > warm up the tissue deep below the skin. > > > > > > Quercetin pretreatment followed by ultrasound > > > treatment may become a > > > simple and effective adjunct treatment for > > prostate > > > cancer. In a study > > > published in the British Journal of Cancer in > > > February, 2005, three > > > researcher from the University of California in > > > Santa Barbara reported > > > on their experiments. They found that a short > > > application of > > > ultrasound selectively sensitizes prostate > cancer > > > cells to quercetin. > > > Non cancerous cells were unaffected. Ultrasound > > > treatment increased > > > the toxic effect of quercetin on cancer cells by > > > 8,000%. [iv] > > > > > > Ultrasound treatments should be added to our > > growing > > > list of > > > alternative prostate cancer therapies. They > should > > > also be considered > > > in prevention programs for both prostate and > skin > > > cancer. > > > > > > [i] J Cancer Res Clin Oncol. 2005 Jul 28;:1-7 > > [Epub > > > ahead of print] > > > > > > Quercetin-induced growth inhibition and cell > death > > > in prostatic > > > carcinoma cells (PC-3) are associated with > > increase > > > in p21 and > > > hypophosphorylated retinoblastoma proteins > > > expression. > > > > > > Vijayababu MR, Kanagaraj P, Arunkumar A, > Ilangovan > > > R, Aruldhas MM, > > > Arunakaran J. > > > > > > Department of Endocrinology, Dr. ALM > Postgraduate > > > Institute of Basic > > > Medical Sciences, University of Madras , > Taramani > > > campus, Chennai, 600 > > > 113, India , j_arunakaran@.... > > > > > > Prostate cancer is the major health problem and > > the > > > leading cause of > > > male cancer death. Quercetin is a novel > antitumor > > > and antioxidant, > > > whose molecular mechanism involved in cell cycle > > > arrest in androgen > > > independent prostate cancer cells remains > unclear. > > > In this study, we > > > investigated the effects of quercetin on > > > proliferation and cell cycle > > > arrest by modulation of Cdc2/Cdk-1 protein in > > > prostate cancer cells > > > (PC-3). PC- 3 cells are human androgen > independent > > > cancer cells and > > > were cultured with quercetin at concentrations > of > > 50 > > > and 100 muM for > > > 24 h. Cell proliferation, apoptosis and cell > cycle > > > distribution were > > > analyzed. Expression of Cdc2/Cdk-1, cyclin B1, > > > cyclin A, p21/Cip1, > > > pRb, pRb2/p130, Bcl-2, Bcl-X(L), Bax and > caspase-3 > > > proteins were > > > studied with western blot analysis. Addition of > > > quercetin led to > > > substantial decrease in the expression of > > > Cdc2/Cdk-1, cyclin B1 and > > > phosphorlyated pRb and increase in p21. > > > Flowcytometric analysis showed > > > that quercetin blocks G2-M transition, with > > > significant induction of > > > apoptosis. Apoptosis markers like Bcl-2 and > > Bcl-X(L) > > > were > > > significantly decreased and Bax and caspase-3 > were > > > increased. From > > > this study, it was concluded that quercetin > === message truncated === __________________________________ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com

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#6957 From: "dominick c. vecchio" <elvismlv@...>
Date: Sat Oct 29, 2005 7:02 pm
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I dont believe that PSA Prostatic Specific Antigen being high offers a good prognosis under any circumstances.

If it were antiangiogenic it would mean no metastasis with high PSA and almost always it means the opposite.

IT RELATES TO BAD DRE'S EXHIBITING ROCK HARD PROSTATES AND THE SPECTRE OF EARLY DEMISE.

The original understanding of the PSA test was that is was more reliable than the PAP and DRE test which I still use to confirm PSA.

The trouble with PSA is that it doesnt always indicate that Pca is present and also can indicate it it there when it is not.

As for it demising blood supplies to metastasis (angiogenisis) is pure bunk. It can monitor disease progression. Almost all cognizant doctors agree with this.

There are substances that do this job but that is another story.

Best Wishes,

Dom

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Ed,

A recent study from PubMed found that PSA may function in tumors as an antiangiogenic protein and helps to explain why prostate cancers progress so slowly. Lowering PSA quickly may be to your detriment.
Larry J

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hello dwight

regarding your question did it relieve sypmtoms or reduce psa ??? - who knows - but i am still here after 9 years
have a rectal exam every year with my annual check up - last done in august 05 - doctor told me if he did not know i had prostate cancer he would not have known as he could not feel it.

one thing about taking these supplements is the testosterone level gets real low, almost off the chart approaching zero, but with that comes a lack of energy, thats why i keep trying to reduce the amount of pills i take...... everytime i do psa goes up but so does the testosterone level

my triglycerides also run very high off the chart taking these pills - have not found a way to reduce these

i was diagnosed with prostate cancer on 10/96 witha gelason of 3+3 both sides with one detected close to the wall
after much research decided on alternative courses of action rather than conventional

biggest change was in diet - went totally vegetarian and still am, low to no fat diet most of the time, and extended periods up to 6 months of raw food diet
i have taken many to no dietary supplements over this period of time and could not tell a difference one way or another - stopped taking dietary supplements three years ago except of course for pc-res, prostate -res and the original pc-plus

a history of my psa scores follows

note: went on pc-spes 6/1/99
atenonlol stopped 3/19/98
cumadin stopped 4/28/98

4/93                 2.1
2/95                 3.7
10/96               6.6
1/97                 6.6
4/97                 6.6
4/17/97           6.0 free psa 10 %
5/97                 6.4
6/97                 6.5
7/97                 6.4
8/97                 6.2
9/97                 7.8
10/97               6.4
11/97               8.5     strted treatment w/ michael adams and he told me to stop taking soy product "takecare
12/97               8.5
1/98                 7.4
2/98                 7.6
3/98                 8.5
4/98               11.0 stopped going to michel adams after this psa reading
4/17/98           9.6     free psa 7%
5/98                 7.2 started treatment w/ dr chu fung in ny revicci treatment + started soy drink again
6/98                 6.6
7/98                 8.2 took the radioactive drink for prostascint test
8/98                 8.4
9/98                 8.2
10/98               8.8
11/98               9.1
12/98               7.8
1/99                 8.1
2/99                 7.9
3/99                 8.6
4/99                 8.2
5/99                10.0
6/99                 5.5           started taking pc spes on 6/1    6/17 smith nkline lab psa 5.5
7/9/99             3.5               smith kline 7/20 free psa total 3.5 free 5.7%
8/9/99             3.7
9/10/99           2.2
10/8/99           2.5                10/21excell lab free psa total 2.6 free 7.7%(to get % take free and / by total and * by 100
11/10/99         2.4
12/16/99         1.9
1/25/00           1.8
2/28/00           1.5
3/31/00           1.4
4/28/00           1.9
5/00                 1.9
6/ 28/00          1.7
7/00                1.2
8/00                1.2
9/15                 1.6 free psa 0.16 as a % it is 10 %
12/8/00            1.8

jan 01              2.4
feb23,01         2.7
april 11,2001 2.2
may 3,2001    2.4
may 29,2001 2.3
july 10, 2001           2.6
august 9, 2001 2.7
september , 2001 5.0
october 26,2001 0.4
nov 2001    1.6
dec 2001 1.8
jan 2002 2.4
feb 2002 1.7 started on pc-plus for 2 weeks
march not taken
april 2002 0.3 wow !!! on 4 pc-plus per day
june 19,2002 <0.3 on 3 pc-plus a day
july 2002 <0.3 on 3/2 alternating per day. note starting right after this test 7.26 went on one per day
aug 2002 <0.3 on only one per day
sept none in carribean
oct 3, 2002 <0.3 still one per day
nov 8, 2002 <0.3 still 1 per day
dec 2002 <0.3 i per day + 4 pcres
jan 2003 no psa in jamaica but started taking one pc-plus per week + 4 pc-res per day
Feb 2003 <0.3
march 2003 <0.3
april 2003 0.1 4 pc resday +1 pcplus per wk
started 4/18 2 pcres day +no pcplus
may 2003 psa 3.6
went back to 2 pc res day + 1 pcplus week
june psa 0.2
july 2003 psa 0.3
sept 04 psa 0.5
nov 04 psa 0.8
feb 2005 1.5
april 2005 1.9 on pc-res and pc-plus(m,w,f, 1 pc-res; sun 2 pc-res+1 pc-plus: bal of time 2 pc-res
may 2005 none taken
june 2005 2.9 on 1 pc-res per day and 1 pc-plus on sunday
july 2005 3.4
sept 2005 2.7 on 2 pc-res per day and 1 pc-plus on sunday

hope this helps

ed :)

At 10:50 PM 10/26/2005, dwight black wrote:

Hey Ed:

What are your good results? Do you have BPH or PC?
Did it relieve symptoms or reduce PSA?

Dwight Black

--- ed wondoloski <ewondo@...> wrote:

---------------------------------
hi ken

this is the same company that produced pc-res
i have been taking pc-res for over a year with very
good results
they have stopped manufacturing pc-res and are now
producingprostate-res
i just ordered 10 bottles as i am out of pc-res
its too early to tell whether this stuff will work

ed :)

At 06:01 PM 10/26/2005, druckeroffset wrote:
Have found a product calledProstate Res made by ARC
Nutrition.The
ingredients listed seem to be the same as PC SPES with
threeadditions.
I would like to know if any of the forum members have
experience with
this product.    Thanks Ken

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#6956 From: "dominick c. vecchio" <elvismlv@...>
Date: Sat Oct 29, 2005 6:39 pm
Subject: Re: [NTPC Yahoo Group] alternative to PC SPES p3sheets
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Larry,

The question you pose is a tough one ,so to say, contoversial.

Most practitioners track PSA very carefully.

Some say it causes Pca and some think it relieves Pca.

But this discounted, I believe if you can control that number long enough Pca is managed where it wont kill you.

It cannot metastasize and invade vital organs.

It can indicate the stoppage of bone mets and confirm Pca cell kill because the lesions are not visible via bone scan whereas initially they were. Bone pain goes away and the patient feels his life is saved.

The drop of PSA on CHB is biphasic meaning that in hormonally sensitive Pca there is a sharp drop in PSA within a month or 4 max. After that time there is a shallow drop over about 13 months. After the nine month mark apoptosis occurs and the PCa is managed to the point of lets say any other treatment option incuding Radical Prostatectomy.

Unfortunately as you may already know Pca at any stage of its development is a systemic disease with most men presenting with micrometastsis to the bone marrow which is not clinically evident.

My belief is that given a small tumor less than the size of a sugar cube in aggegate, CHB or herbals can prevent cause specific non survival from Pca.

Unfortunately also no one can prove this.

Will anything you throw at it work?

No! But there is a lot of good stuff to manage it.

Think of it this way...the cause specific survival from various standard treatments does not change because we all succumb to some other cause. Treatment becomes irrelevant.

Any questions?

Thank you for your interest in my comments,

Dom

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Sent: Thursday, October 27, 2005 7:48 PM

Subject: RE: [NTPC Yahoo Group] alternative to PC SPES

Dom,

It works to drop your PSA but a more important question�does it do any with the cancer?

Larry J

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I have only used Prostasol for 3-6 months. It works.

My PSA dropped from 4.7 to 1.89. I took other herbals as well. The mix acts like Lupron on the biopsied slides.

You get nipple tenderness and breast enlargement with even half doses. This stuff works. I never took full doses and it kept my Cap at bay.

Dom Vecchio

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Sent: Wednesday, October 26, 2005 6:01 PM

Subject: [NTPC Yahoo Group] alternative to PC SPES

Have found a product called Prostate Res made by ARC Nutrition.The
ingredients listed seem to be the same as PC SPES with three additions.
I would like to know if any of the forum members have experience with
this product. Thanks Ken

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#6955 From: "dominick c. vecchio" <elvismlv@...>
Date: Sat Oct 29, 2005 6:14 pm
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Hi Dwight,

My name Dominick C. Vecchio (Dom) and I recently am having a bout of what seemes to prostatitis.

It happens when you sit on a hard surface such as the bathtub you get a strong pain which can make you yelp.

I have been given Cipro twice a day for prostatitis and it seems to be going away.

I was diagnosed with Pca 1-01-04 with bPSA of 4.7 at 65 years of age, GS 3+4 with involvement one lobe and perineral inavasion ? I went to several doctors who are well known and was given several treatment options.

I am doing the Leibowitz protocol which is a combined hormonal blockade-3.6 mg ZolaDEX IMPLANT MONTHLY to produce 11 ng/dcl castrate level,3-50mg Casodex,1 5mg Proscar for 13 months then I only take 5 mg of Proscar daily forever. Im in my 11 month and my PSA is .029 up from .005 for one year.

I think it rose because of this pain I have which may be related to prostatitis infection.

What is that?

Well,its pus in the sacs which produce the fluid that supports ejaculation.

Today I found out that this could also be caused by interstitial cystitus fo which there is no treatment or known cause.

This is a phantom which causes grief to Pca victims as they cannot resolve the rise in PSA which may be also biochemical failure of your treatment forcing you to take on amore extreme option.

Comments welcomed.

Good Luck,

Dom

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Sent: Thursday, October 27, 2005 4:09 PM

Subject: Re: [NTPC Yahoo Group] alternative to PC SPES

Hi Ed: Thanks so much for sharing all that data!!! I really appreciate it as it gives me some hope. I also congratulate you on your record keeping!! I am sure you do a much better job than most doctors. To get the diagnosis in Oct. 96 you must have had a needle biopsy. Do you remember how many needles they used? Did you have any side effects from the biopsy? I have read so many bad things that I have not done one yet. My highest psa has been 5.1 Since you got your diagnosis, have you ever experienced pain or discomfort in your perineum? Likewise, noticed increased "activity" (not pain) in your scrotum. I have named that discomfort CCSS. (creepy crawly scrotum syndrome) Since both these pains and "feelings" are new within the last year (when my psa went up) I presume they must be related. Can't find any info to say if they are or are not related to PC. Trying to find out from other guys, like you, what experiences they have had on these two pain/discomforts. Thanks again for your sharing your history. Dwight Black --- ed wondoloski <ewondo@...> wrote: --------------------------------- hello dwight regarding your question did it relieve sypmtoms or reduce psa ??? - whoknows - but i am still here after 9 years have a rectal exam every year with my annual check up - last done inaugust 05 - doctor told me if he did not know i had prostate cancer hewould not have known as he could not feel it. one thing about taking these supplements is the testosterone level getsreal low, almost off the chart approaching zero, but with that comes alack of energy, thats why i keep trying to reduce the amount ofpills i take...... everytime i do psa goes up but so does thetestosterone level my triglycerides also run very high off the chart taking these pills -have not found a way to reduce these i was diagnosed with prostate cancer on 10/96 witha gelason of 3+3 bothsides with one detected close to the wall after much research decided on alternative courses of action rather thanconventional biggest change was in diet - went totally vegetarian and still am, low tono fat diet most of the time, and extended periods up to 6 months of rawfood diet i have taken many to no dietary supplements over this period of time andcould not tell a difference one way or another - stopped taking dietarysupplements three years ago except of course for pc-res, prostate -resand the original pc-plus a history of my psa scores follows note: went on pc-spes 6/1/99 atenonlol stopped 3/19/98 cumadin stopped 4/28/98 4/93 2.1 2/95 3.7 10/96 6.6 1/97 6.6 4/97 6.6 4/17/97 6.0 free psa 10 % 5/97 6.4 6/97 6.5 7/97 6.4 8/97 6.2 9/97 7.8 10/97 6.4 11/97 8.5 strted treatment w/ michael adams and he toldme to stop taking soy product "takecare 12/97 8.5 1/98 7.4 2/98 7.6 3/98 8.5 4/98 11.0 stopped going to michel adams after this psa reading 4/17/98 9.6 free psa 7% 5/98 7.2 started treatment w/ dr chu fung in ny revicci treatment +started soy drink again 6/98 6.6 7/98 8.2 took the radioactive drink for prostascint test 8/98 8.4 9/98 8.2 10/98 8.8 11/98 9.1 12/98 7.8 1/99 8.1 2/99 7.9 3/99 8.6 4/99 8.2 5/99 10.0 6/99 5.5 startedtaking pc spes on 6/1 6/17 smith nkline lab psa5.5 7/9/99 3.5 smith kline 7/20 free psa total 3.5 free 5.7% 8/9/99 3.7 9/10/99 2.2 10/8/99 2.5 10/21excell lab free psa total 2.6 free 7.7%(to get % take free and / bytotal and * by 100 11/10/99 2.4 12/16/99 1.9 1/25/00 1.8 2/28/00 1.5 3/31/00 1.4 4/28/00 1.9 5/00 1.9 6/ 28/00 1.7 7/00 1.2 8/00 1.2 9/15 1.6 free psa 0.16 as a % it is 10 % 12/8/00 1.8 jan01 2.4 feb23,01 2.7 april 11,2001 2.2 may 3,2001 2.4 may 29,2001 2.3 july 10, 2001 2.6 august 9, 2001 2.7 september , 2001 5.0 october 26,2001 0.4 nov 2001 1.6 dec 2001 1.8 jan 2002 2.4 feb 2002 1.7 started on pc-plus for 2 weeks march not taken april 2002 0.3 wow !!! on 4 pc-plus per day june 19,2002 <0.3 on 3 pc-plus a day july 2002 <0.3 on 3/2 alternating per day. note starting rightafter this test 7.26 went on one per day aug 2002 <0.3 on only one per day sept none in carribean oct 3, 2002 <0.3 still one per day nov 8, 2002 <0.3 still 1 per day dec 2002 <0.3 i per day + 4 pcres jan 2003 no psa in jamaica but started taking one pc-plus per week + 4pc-res per day Feb 2003 <0.3 march 2003 <0.3 april 2003 0.1 4 pc resday +1 pcplus per wk started 4/18 2 pcres day +no pcplus may 2003 psa 3.6 went back to 2 pc res day + 1 pcplus week june psa 0.2 july 2003 psa 0.3 sept 04 psa 0.5 nov 04 psa 0.8 feb 2005 1.5 april 2005 1.9 on pc-res and pc-plus(m,w,f, 1 pc-res; sun 2 pc-res+1pc-plus: bal of time 2 pc-res may 2005 none taken june 2005 2.9 on 1 pc-res per day and 1 pc-plus on sunday july 2005 3.4 sept 2005 2.7 on 2 pc-res per day and 1 pc-plus on sunday hope this helps ed :) At 10:50 PM 10/26/2005, dwight black wrote: Hey Ed: What are your good results? Do you have BPH or PC? Did it relieve symptoms or reduce PSA? Dwight Black --- ed wondoloski <ewondo@...> wrote: --------------------------------- hi ken this is the same company that produced pc-res i have been taking pc-res for over a year with very good results they have stopped manufacturing pc-res and are now producingprostate-res i just ordered 10 bottles as i am out of pc-res its too early to tell whether this stuff will work ed :) At 06:01 PM 10/26/2005, druckeroffset wrote: Have found a product calledProstate Res made by ARC Nutrition.The ingredients listed seem to be the same as PC SPES with threeadditions. I would like to know if any of the forum members have experience with this product. Thanks Ken ======================================== ALL INFORMATION APPEARING ON THIS NEWSGROUP REPRESENTS OPINIONS OFFEREDBY NON-MEDICALLY TRAINED LAYPERSONS. 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#6954 From: Bob Armstrong <bullcat831@...>
Date: Sun Oct 30, 2005 1:26 am
Subject: Re: [NTPC Yahoo Group] reply to message 6932 "creepy crawly scrotum syndrome" bullcat831
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If you would like to try something that helps with
meditation
take a look at the Insight and Focus CD's on the
AwakenedMinds.com website. I use the Insight CD almost
daily to deepen my meditation. It makes a big
difference for me. I use the 72 minute Focus CD when I
brisk walk for exercise. This does not make much of a
difference to me. I got both CD's for about $50 plus
shipping. This is much less expensive then the
Holosync CD's from the Centerpointe Research
Institute(fancy name for a commercial operation).
Both companys' CD's use "binural beats" to deepen
meditation. Both their websites explain how it works.
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--- ed wondoloski <ewondo@...> wrote:


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hi dwight

  If you have any "quick fixes" on a mantra
or method, would love to hearfrom you or any one
else.
i have a little timer on my desk that goes off once
everyhour
when it does i stop whatever i am doing and enjoy a
minute ofsilence
during that silence period i notice if my body has any
stress points
usually from leaning over the computer too long

i focus on my breathing - not trying to control it in
any way - simplyfocusing on my breathing seelms to
relax the body

other times when i take this time out i find the body
is fine, but it isthe mind that has wondered off into
some negative thoughts..... in thatcase i acknowledge
where the mind has been and then allow myself to
bringto mind a pleasant thought - i hold this pleasant
thought for a solidminute, while doing so i can feel
myself feeling lighter andcontent

the key is to take the time throut the day to become
aware - and thentake appropriate action

ed :)


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#6953 From: Harry Kessel <hkessel@...>
Date: Sun Oct 30, 2005 1:04 am
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Hi All,  Thought this notice would be of interest to some of you out
there, especially if you live in the NYC metro area.

							 Harry K

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> From: EVO <31evo@...>
> Date: Thu Oct 27, 2005  9:30:42  AM US/Pacific
> To: "Van Overloop, Ed." <31evo@...>
> Subject: Fw: CARE,Special Meeting Notice Nov.05 - 1
>
> �
>
> SPECIAL NOTICE � November CARE meeting Thurs. Nov. 10th, 7pm
>
> ��At the United Methodist Church, 100 Dayton St., Ridgewood, NJ
>
> �
>
> Our meeting will feature the head oncologist from the LEONARDIS
>
> CLINIC in Germany, Doctor Ursula Jacob, MD. This clinic has one of the
> highest success rates with terminal cancer and because of this, a
> worldwide reputation.
>
> Dr Jacob will be joined at our meeting by Dr. Dana Flavin, MD. a well
>
> known doctor, chemist, and nutritionist. Dr. Flavin has been
> responsible
>
> for much of the alternative or integrative approach that is used by
> the clinic in it�s broad and successful approach to cancer.
>
> In July of 2005 I had the need for serious medical treatment of bone
>
> metastasis from prostate cancer. Having seen my father unsuccessfully
> go thru our standard US orthodox treatment of the exact same problem,
>
> I decided to try the integrated approach used at Leonardis. I found the
>
> medical care at the clinic to be first class, which resulted in a much
>
> unexpected remission, all with zero side effects and positive results.
>
> Several other members of our CARE cancer support group have now
>
> also gone to this world class clinic, all of them have had similar and
>
> very positive results, as I did.
>
> �
>
> Dr. Jacob�s visit will include the following:�[all are welcome]
>
> �
>
> Nov.10th Thur. at 7pm � CARE support group lecture
>
> ��������������Nov.12th Sat. at 3pm � Doctor and Practitioner only
> meeting
>
> �
>
> Nov.14th Mon. at 12 noon, guest appearance on Dr. Majid Ali�s radio
>
> ��������������program �Science Health and Healing��WBAI 99.5 FM
>
> ��������������Dr. Jacob, Dr Flavin, and Ed. Van Overloop are the
> guest's.
>
> �
>
> Nov.15th Tues. at noon � 2nd day of Dr Ali & Dr Jacob on WBAI
>
> ��������������with Dr. Flavin
>
> �
>
> For further information call Ed. Van Overloop � 201-391-5931
>
> �
>
> �
>
> �
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#6952 From: Harry Kessel <hkessel@...>
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HI   All,  I have returned from Germany but was treated more for my
heart arrhythmia than my P/C.  More later when I catch up.


				 Harry K


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> I heard Harry has gone to Germany.  Best,  Joe
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#6951 From: ed wondoloski <ewondo@...>
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hi dwight

If you have any "quick fixes" on a mantra or method, would love to hear from you or any one else. i have a little timer on my desk that goes off once every hour when it does i stop whatever i am doing and enjoy a minute of silence during that silence period i notice if my body has any stress points usually from leaning over the computer too long i focus on my breathing - not trying to control it in any way - simply focusing on my breathing seelms to relax the body other times when i take this time out i find the body is fine, but it is the mind that has wondered off into some negative thoughts..... in that case i acknowledge where the mind has been and then allow myself to bring to mind a pleasant thought - i hold this pleasant thought for a solid minute, while doing so i can feel myself feeling lighter and content the key is to take the time throut the day to become aware - and then take appropriate action ed :)

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#6950 From: dwight black <dwightppp@...>
Date: Sat Oct 29, 2005 3:49 pm
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Hi Ken:

Thanks so much for your insight.  You definately many
be onto something!!  I too have been very active in
learning and researching prostate problems and PCa.
My CCSS and perineum pain started just about the time
I learned my psa hit an all time high and my doc
started talking about biospsies to test for PCs.

I found one article stating that may guys who had
perineum pain (and had NO psa or prostate problems)
were told it was stress related.  Obviously, mental
stress from worrying about PCa could bring it on.

I don't have much faith in shrinks so will research
(oh gosh, here I go again) how to focus on something
possitive.  If you have any "quick fixes" on a mantra
or method, would love to hear from you or any one
else.

Dwight

--- druckeroffset <druckeroffset@...> wrote:

> Hello Dwight Black
>    In reference to "creepy crawly scrotum syndrome"
> mentioned in
> your post.
> I accquired a very similar sensation this  Feb in
> resonse to my
> internist telling me I had a very good chance of
> having Pca.The odd
> feelings (not pain) increased after I was told,
> several PSA tests
> later,the PSA velocity continued high and the Free
> PSA had desended
> to 8%.(She then informed me the odds were 56% that I
> have Pca)
>      I can't speak for anyone except  myself but I
> believe I have
> brought this "creepy crawly scrotum syndrome" you
> describe  on
> myself by obsessing (researching) Pca day and night
> since my  Feb
> diagnosis . The feeling was with me ,sitting
> ,standing and driving
> the car.I kept reading about castration as the
> ultimate method of
> hormonal blockade.
> I believe thoughts are things and what we bring our
> attention to on
> a constant basis we affect for either good or bad.
> My wife who knows
> me better than myself,advised me to let go of it
> (the researching -
> obsessing)for a while and put the effort into
> meditation and guided
> immagry replacing the anger I felt about the Pca
> diagnosis with a
> spirit of forgiveness and letting go.  BINGO!!!
>     The syndrome is still there but less so and
> there are actually
> times when I am not thinking about it.
>   I hope in some way this post helps and lets  you
> know that you are
> not alone in the things you may be experienceing.
>    Many people on this forum have been thru alot and
> try to help
> each other.  If you reword your post slightly
> different and resubmit
> it, some one else may pick up on it and give you a
> better
> perspective on the syndrome you describe than I
> have. Best of
> luck.    Ken
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#6949 From: dwight black <dwightppp@...>
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Wow!  Here's another one.  Insulin Potentionated
Therapy.  I stumbled on a Sept. 2001 article by Dr.
Robert Rowen stating the IPT was what he would do if
he ever got prostate cancer.  The theory is that
cancer cells are totally dependent on glucose as their
energy source.  They have 6 to 15 times more insulin
receptors on their membranes to consume glucose.  In
addition, insulin makes the cell membranes more
permeable for other substances (like chemo drugs) to
enter.  Using insulin opens the cancer up and can be
targeted without killing normal cells.  Info available
on WWW.IPTQ.ORG  Since they use chemo drugs, it is
often paid for by medicare and insurance.

Has any one out there heard of it or tried it?

Dwight Black

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> did so by inhaling an atomized spray of hydrogen
> peroxide through my mouth 5 or 6 times a day. This
> was the same 3% solution of hydrogen peroxide that
> one purchases in a drugstore. I suffered no
> discomfort, side efffects or nausea from the
> hydrogen peroxide, unless of course you consider
> "beating" cancer is a discomforting thought. The
> unbelieving government agents, medical doctors and
> the pharmaceutical industry say it cannotb e done. I
> am living proof they are wrong.
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HI Group

I purchased Nov/Dec issue of Well Beng Journal. A letter to the editor caught my eye: You cn read the letter and then decide if you want to investigate further.

Dear Editor

I eradicatead prostate cancer for under $`1.00. I did so by inhaling an atomized spray of hydrogen peroxide through my mouth 5 or 6 times a day. This was the same 3% solution of hydrogen peroxide that one purchases in a drugstore. I suffered no discomfort, side efffects or nausea from the hydrogen peroxide, unless of course you consider "beating" cancer is a discomforting thought. The unbelieving government agents, medical doctors and the pharmaceutical industry say it cannotb e done. I am living proof they are wrong.

Bill Munro land@...

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Genetic trigger for prostate cancer 'found'
By Roger Highfield, Science Editor
(Filed: 29/10/2005)

Researchers believe that they have discovered the genetic trigger for the most common male cancer and say the advance could revolutionise the way that the disease is diagnosed and treated.

Every year more than 30,000 men in Britain are diagnosed with prostate cancer and 10,000 die from it.

The discovery that the disease is caused by chromosomes scrambling and triggering abnormal cell growth could lead to a much more accurate diagnostic test in blood or urine than is provided by current screening.

The new find will help scientists to work out the best course of action for each type of prostate cancer and could pave the way to more effective treatments. It is also suspected that a similar mechanism could be at work in other common cancers, such as lung cancer.

Genes fuse together as a result of the scrambled chromosomes to produce abnormal gene activity, according to a study published yesterday in the journal Science by researchers at the University of Michigan Medical School, in collaboration with Brigham and Women's Hospital at Harvard.

The abnormal gene fusion occurs when one of two genes, ERG or ETV1, merges with a prostate-specific gene called TMPRSS2, team members Scott Tomlins and Daniel Rhodes discovered.

They found the unique molecular signature of these fused genes in around 75 per cent of prostate cancer tissue samples, but found no evidence of gene fusion in benign prostate tissue or in prostate tissue with non-cancerous changes.

"The data in our study provides evidence that gene fusion is the causative agent in prostate cancer," said Prof Arul Chinnaiyan, who directed the study. "It is the first step in the progression of tissue changes leading to prostate cancer.

It will allow us to categorise prostate tumours by molecular sub-type, which could help determine the most effective treatment for each patient."

While re-arrangements in chromosomes and fused genes have been detected in blood cell cancers such as leukaemia and lymphoma, this is the first time they have been found in a common solid tumour like prostate cancer.

The team hopes to identify small molecule inhibitors for the genes involved in prostate cancer, which would be similar to Gleevec, a drug designed to target the gene fusion that causes a form of leukaemia.

Prof Colin Cooper, a prostate cancer expert at Cancer Research UK, said: "This work is potentially very important in terms of understanding how prostate cancer develops, but the results must now be confirmed in a larger number of prostate cancer samples."

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#6945 From: "druckeroffset" <druckeroffset@...>
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Hello Dwight Black
    In reference to "creepy crawly scrotum syndrome" mentioned in
your post.
I accquired a very similar sensation this  Feb in resonse to my
internist telling me I had a very good chance of having Pca.The odd
feelings (not pain) increased after I was told, several PSA tests
later,the PSA velocity continued high and the Free PSA had desended
to 8%.(She then informed me the odds were 56% that I have Pca)
      I can't speak for anyone except  myself but I believe I have
brought this "creepy crawly scrotum syndrome" you describe  on
myself by obsessing (researching) Pca day and night  since my  Feb
diagnosis . The feeling was with me ,sitting ,standing and driving
the car.I kept reading about castration as the ultimate method of
hormonal blockade.
I believe thoughts are things and what we bring our attention to on
a constant basis we affect for either good or bad. My wife who knows
me better than myself,advised me to let go of it (the researching -
obsessing)for a while and put the effort into meditation and guided
immagry replacing the anger I felt about the Pca diagnosis with a
spirit of forgiveness and letting go.  BINGO!!!
     The syndrome is still there but less so and there are actually
times when I am not thinking about it.
   I hope in some way this post helps and lets  you know that you are
not alone in the things you may be experienceing.
    Many people on this forum have been thru alot and try to help
each other.  If you reword your post slightly different and resubmit
it, some one else may pick up on it and give you a better
perspective on the syndrome you describe than I have. Best of
luck.    Ken

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Gentlemen, check this out.

http://www.ctrf.org/cim/pdfs/singh.pdf

Walt

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Dave,

I sent Harry an email to inquire whether or not he's in the states.  I have
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#6942 From: ed wondoloski <ewondo@...>
Date: Fri Oct 28, 2005 1:25 pm
Subject: RE: [NTPC Yahoo Group] alternative to PC SPES ewondo@...
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hi larry

your point is well taken
i had read about that as well
just reinforces the fact that this is not really a science
so one needs to use their intuition
and pay close attention to what their bodies are telling them
staying open to the possibilities has been my strategy

ed :)

At 08:04 PM 10/27/2005, larry wrote:

Ed,
A recent study from PubMed found that PSA may function in tumors as an antiangiogenic protein and helps to explain why prostate cancers progress so slowly. Lowering PSA quickly may be to your detriment.
Larry J

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hello dwight

regarding your question did it relieve sypmtoms or reduce psa ??? - who knows - but i am still here after 9 years
have a rectal exam every year with my annual check up - last done in august 05 - doctor told me if he did not know i had prostate cancer he would not have known as he could not feel it.

one thing about taking these supplements is the testosterone level gets real low, almost off the chart approaching zero, but with that comes a lack of energy, thats why i keep trying to reduce the amount of pills i take...... everytime i do psa goes up but so does the testosterone level

my triglycerides also run very high off the chart taking these pills - have not found a way to reduce these

i was diagnosed with prostate cancer on 10/96 witha gelason of 3+3 both sides with one detected close to the wall
after much research decided on alternative courses of action rather than conventional

biggest change was in diet - went totally vegetarian and still am, low to no fat diet most of the time, and extended periods up to 6 months of raw food diet
i have taken many to no dietary supplements over this period of time and could not tell a difference one way or another - stopped taking dietary supplements three years ago except of course for pc-res, prostate -res and the original pc-plus

a history of my psa scores follows

note: went on pc-spes 6/1/99
atenonlol stopped 3/19/98
cumadin stopped 4/28/98

4/93                 2.1
2/95                 3.7
10/96               6.6
1/97                 6.6
4/97                 6.6
4/17/97           6.0 free psa 10 %
5/97                 6.4
6/97                 6.5
7/97                 6.4
8/97                 6.2
9/97                 7.8
10/97               6.4
11/97               8.5     strted treatment w/ michael adams and he told me to stop taking soy product "takecare
12/97               8.5
1/98                 7.4
2/98                 7.6
3/98                 8.5
4/98               11.0 stopped going to michel adams after this psa reading
4/17/98           9.6     free psa 7%
5/98                 7.2 started treatment w/ dr chu fung in ny revicci treatment + started soy drink again
6/98                 6.6
7/98                 8.2 took the radioactive drink for prostascint test
8/98                 8.4
9/98                 8.2
10/98               8.8
11/98               9.1
12/98               7.8
1/99                 8.1
2/99                 7.9
3/99                 8.6
4/99                 8.2
5/99                10.0
6/99                 5.5           started taking pc spes on 6/1    6/17 smith nkline lab psa 5.5
7/9/99             3.5               smith kline 7/20 free psa total 3.5 free 5.7%
8/9/99             3.7
9/10/99           2.2
10/8/99           2.5                10/21excell lab free psa total 2.6 free 7.7%(to get % take free and / by total and * by 100
11/10/99         2.4
12/16/99         1.9
1/25/00           1.8
2/28/00           1.5
3/31/00           1.4
4/28/00           1.9
5/00                 1.9
6/ 28/00          1.7
7/00                1.2
8/00                1.2
9/15                 1.6 free psa 0.16 as a % it is 10 %
12/8/00            1.8

jan 01              2.4
feb23,01         2.7
april 11,2001 2.2
may 3,2001    2.4
may 29,2001 2.3
july 10, 2001           2.6
august 9, 2001 2.7
september , 2001 5.0
october 26,2001 0.4
nov 2001    1.6
dec 2001 1.8
jan 2002 2.4
feb 2002 1.7 started on pc-plus for 2 weeks
march not taken
april 2002 0.3 wow !!! on 4 pc-plus per day
june 19,2002 <0.3 on 3 pc-plus a day
july 2002 <0.3 on 3/2 alternating per day. note starting right after this test 7.26 went on one per day
aug 2002 <0.3 on only one per day
sept none in carribean
oct 3, 2002 <0.3 still one per day
nov 8, 2002 <0.3 still 1 per day
dec 2002 <0.3 i per day + 4 pcres
jan 2003 no psa in jamaica but started taking one pc-plus per week + 4 pc-res per day
Feb 2003 <0.3
march 2003 <0.3
april 2003 0.1 4 pc resday +1 pcplus per wk
started 4/18 2 pcres day +no pcplus
may 2003 psa 3.6
went back to 2 pc res day + 1 pcplus week
june psa 0.2
july 2003 psa 0.3
sept 04 psa 0.5
nov 04 psa 0.8
feb 2005 1.5
april 2005 1.9 on pc-res and pc-plus(m,w,f, 1 pc-res; sun 2 pc-res+1 pc-plus: bal of time 2 pc-res
may 2005 none taken
june 2005 2.9 on 1 pc-res per day and 1 pc-plus on sunday
july 2005 3.4
sept 2005 2.7 on 2 pc-res per day and 1 pc-plus on sunday

hope this helps

ed :)

At 10:50 PM 10/26/2005, dwight black wrote:

Hey Ed:

What are your good results? Do you have BPH or PC?
Did it relieve symptoms or reduce PSA?

Dwight Black

--- ed wondoloski <ewondo@...> wrote:

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hi ken

this is the same company that produced pc-res
i have been taking pc-res for over a year with very
good results
they have stopped manufacturing pc-res and are now
producingprostate-res
i just ordered 10 bottles as i am out of pc-res
its too early to tell whether this stuff will work

ed :)

At 06:01 PM 10/26/2005, druckeroffset wrote:
Have found a product calledProstate Res made by ARC
Nutrition.The
ingredients listed seem to be the same as PC SPES with
threeadditions.
I would like to know if any of the forum members have
experience with
this product.    Thanks Ken

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#6941 From: "Washburn, Walt" <Walter.Washburn@...>
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Hello, I am new to this forum and have PC. I have read many articles about PC and different natural / man-made remedies.

One extract that may interest some of you is Wild Indigo and it derivatives indirubin-5-sulfonate and indirubin-3-monoxime.

Walt

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#6940 From: "tinycamera1" <DavidCohen99@...>
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I think Harry went to Germany.  Any word?

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#6939 From: "wiech89" <wiech89@...>
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SPECIAL NOTICE � November CARE meeting Thurs. Nov. 10th, 7pm

    At the United Methodist Church, 100 Dayton St., Ridgewood, NJ

Our meeting will feature the head oncologist from the LEONARDIS

CLINIC in Germany, Doctor Ursula Jacob, MD. This clinic has one of the
highest success rates with terminal cancer and because of this, a
worldwide reputation.

Dr Jacob will be joined at our meeting by Dr. Dana Flavin, MD. a well

known doctor, chemist, and nutritionist. Dr. Flavin has been responsible

for much of the alternative or integrative approach that is used by the
clinic in it's broad and successful approach to cancer.

In July of 2005 I had the need for serious medical treatment of bone

metastasis from prostate cancer. Having seen my father unsuccessfully
go thru our standard US orthodox treatment of the exact same problem,

I decided to try the integrated approach used at Leonardis. I found the

medical care at the clinic to be first class, which resulted in a much

unexpected remission, all with zero side effects and positive results.

Several other members of our CARE cancer support group have now

also gone to this world class clinic, all of them have had similar and

very positive results, as I did.

Dr. Jacob's visit will include the following:  [all are welcome]

Nov.10th Thur. at 7pm � CARE support group lecture

                Nov.12th Sat. at 3pm � Doctor and Practitioner only meeting

Nov.14th Mon. at 12 noon, guest appearance on Dr. Majid Ali's radio

                program "Science Health and Healing"  WBAI 99.5 FM

                Dr. Jacob, Dr Flavin, and Ed. Van Overloop are the guest's.

Nov.15th Tues. at noon � 2nd day of Dr Ali & Dr Jacob on WBAI

                with Dr. Flavin

For further information call Ed. Van Overloop � 201-391-5931

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#6938 From: shel litt <shellitt@...>
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Dennis,

sorry i don't know the temp. of prostate-  i can't get
in there with a thermometer!

actually, the water temp. should be at least 42.5
degrees C  acc. to the scientist who told me about
this.  keep putting in more hot water as the tub
gradually cools, to keep it at that high temp.

does it work?  long history of anecdotal evidence,
acc. to him.  certainly soothing for anyone with
prostatitis, those prostate pains, etc.

Shel

--- Dennis Fortier <dioalp@...> wrote:

> Hi Shel,
>
> What would be the temp of the prostate after 20
> minutes in 42 C water?
>
> Do you know from experience or anecdotal that what
> you
> suggest is effective?  I've read the attached but
> haven't read of any trials or anectotal references
> that it does any good.
>
> Every year I visit the hot springs and cook my body
> in
> 104 degrees F and haven't noticed any PSA changes.
> Perhaps I need to stay in the water longer... at
> least
> 20 minutes?
>
> Dennis
>
> --- shel litt <shellitt@...> wrote:
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> > If one wants to heat up the prostate, an older,
> > simpler method to use is the Sitzbath.
> >
> > sit in a very hot tub, immersing just the lower
> part
> > of the body.  water temp. should be 42 degrees
> > Centigrade.   20 minutes, twice per day.
> >
> > that will get heat into the prostate.
> >
> > Sheldon
> >
> > --- cam bishop <camero7@...> wrote:
> >
> > > Here's a very interesting article.
> > > cam bishop
> > >
> > > Prostate cancer treatment enhanced by
> ultrasound.
> > > October 12, 2005
> > >
> > > Subject: Ultrasound treatment of prostate cancer
> > > increases
> > > effectiveness of quercetin.
> > >
> > > It is well established that prostate cancer
> cells
> > > are sensitive to
> > > quercetin, a plant chemical found in onions,
> > apples,
> > > wine and other
> > > plants. Although the exact mechanisms of action
> > > aren't yet known, it
> > > is well accepted that quercetin slows down
> > prostate
> > > cancer cell growth
> > > or stimulates their self destruction through
> > > apoptosis. [i]
> > >
> > > It is also pretty well accepted that for some
> > reason
> > > prostate cancer
> > > cells are sensitive to heat. Warming them up
> kills
> > > them. [ii] There
> > > are various 'alternative cancer therapy' gadgets
> > > that attempt to
> > > deliver heat to the prostate gland.
> > >
> > > It seems you can put these two bits of
> information
> > > together. Quercetin
> > > treatment of prostate cancer cells increases
> their
> > > sensitivity to
> > > heat.(or perhaps its the other way around,
> bottom
> > > line is for a
> > > prostate cancer cell quercetin and heat don't
> > > mix)[iii]
> > >
> > > One of the easiest ways to deliver heat into
> > > specific areas of the
> > > body is through the use of therapeutic
> ultrasound
> > > machines. These
> > > aren't the gadgets that they look inside the
> body
> > > with, like to see
> > > what sex the baby is. These ultrasound machines
> > > simply project
> > > ultrasound vibrations into the tissue. The
> > vibration
> > > is converted to
> > > heat. You'll see these gadgets in physical
> therapy
> > > settings. They can
> > > warm up the tissue deep below the skin.
> > >
> > > Quercetin pretreatment followed by ultrasound
> > > treatment may become a
> > > simple and effective adjunct treatment for
> > prostate
> > > cancer. In a study
> > > published in the British Journal of Cancer in
> > > February, 2005, three
> > > researcher from the University of California in
> > > Santa Barbara reported
> > > on their experiments. They found that a short
> > > application of
> > > ultrasound selectively sensitizes prostate
> cancer
> > > cells to quercetin.
> > > Non cancerous cells were unaffected. Ultrasound
> > > treatment increased
> > > the toxic effect of quercetin on cancer cells by
> > > 8,000%. [iv]
> > >
> > > Ultrasound treatments should be added to our
> > growing
> > > list of
> > > alternative prostate cancer therapies. They
> should
> > > also be considered
> > > in prevention programs for both prostate and
> skin
> > > cancer.
> > >
> > > [i] J Cancer Res Clin Oncol. 2005 Jul 28;:1-7
> > [Epub
> > > ahead of print]
> > >
> > > Quercetin-induced growth inhibition and cell
> death
> > > in prostatic
> > > carcinoma cells (PC-3) are associated with
> > increase
> > > in p21 and
> > > hypophosphorylated retinoblastoma proteins
> > > expression.
> > >
> > > Vijayababu MR, Kanagaraj P, Arunkumar A,
> Ilangovan
> > > R, Aruldhas MM,
> > > Arunakaran J.
> > >
> > > Department of Endocrinology, Dr. ALM
> Postgraduate
> > > Institute of Basic
> > > Medical Sciences, University of Madras ,
> Taramani
> > > campus, Chennai, 600
> > > 113, India , j_arunakaran@....
> > >
> > > Prostate cancer is the major health problem and
> > the
> > > leading cause of
> > > male cancer death. Quercetin is a novel
> antitumor
> > > and antioxidant,
> > > whose molecular mechanism involved in cell cycle
> > > arrest in androgen
> > > independent prostate cancer cells remains
> unclear.
> > > In this study, we
> > > investigated the effects of quercetin on
> > > proliferation and cell cycle
> > > arrest by modulation of Cdc2/Cdk-1 protein in
> > > prostate cancer cells
> > > (PC-3). PC- 3 cells are human androgen
> independent
> > > cancer cells and
> > > were cultured with quercetin at concentrations
> of
> > 50
> > > and 100 muM for
> > > 24 h. Cell proliferation, apoptosis and cell
> cycle
> > > distribution were
> > > analyzed. Expression of Cdc2/Cdk-1, cyclin B1,
> > > cyclin A, p21/Cip1,
> > > pRb, pRb2/p130, Bcl-2, Bcl-X(L), Bax and
> caspase-3
> > > proteins were
> > > studied with western blot analysis. Addition of
> > > quercetin led to
> > > substantial decrease in the expression of
> > > Cdc2/Cdk-1, cyclin B1 and
> > > phosphorlyated pRb and increase in p21.
> > > Flowcytometric analysis showed
> > > that quercetin blocks G2-M transition, with
> > > significant induction of
> > > apoptosis. Apoptosis markers like Bcl-2 and
> > Bcl-X(L)
> > > were
> > > significantly decreased and Bax and caspase-3
> were
> > > increased. From
> > > this study, it was concluded that quercetin
>
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#6937 From: Dennis Fortier <dioalp@...>
Date: Fri Oct 28, 2005 2:56 am
Subject: Heating up the prostate dioalp
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Hi Shel,

What would be the temp of the prostate after 20
minutes in 42 C water?

Do you know from experience or anecdotal that what you
suggest is effective?  I've read the attached but
haven't read of any trials or anectotal references
that it does any good.

Every year I visit the hot springs and cook my body in
104 degrees F and haven't noticed any PSA changes.
Perhaps I need to stay in the water longer... at least
20 minutes?

Dennis

--- shel litt <shellitt@...> wrote:

> If one wants to heat up the prostate, an older,
> simpler method to use is the Sitzbath.
>
> sit in a very hot tub, immersing just the lower part
> of the body.  water temp. should be 42 degrees
> Centigrade.   20 minutes, twice per day.
>
> that will get heat into the prostate.
>
> Sheldon
>
> --- cam bishop <camero7@...> wrote:
>
> > Here's a very interesting article.
> > cam bishop
> >
> > Prostate cancer treatment enhanced by ultrasound.
> > October 12, 2005
> >
> > Subject: Ultrasound treatment of prostate cancer
> > increases
> > effectiveness of quercetin.
> >
> > It is well established that prostate cancer cells
> > are sensitive to
> > quercetin, a plant chemical found in onions,
> apples,
> > wine and other
> > plants. Although the exact mechanisms of action
> > aren't yet known, it
> > is well accepted that quercetin slows down
> prostate
> > cancer cell growth
> > or stimulates their self destruction through
> > apoptosis. [i]
> >
> > It is also pretty well accepted that for some
> reason
> > prostate cancer
> > cells are sensitive to heat. Warming them up kills
> > them. [ii] There
> > are various 'alternative cancer therapy' gadgets
> > that attempt to
> > deliver heat to the prostate gland.
> >
> > It seems you can put these two bits of information
> > together. Quercetin
> > treatment of prostate cancer cells increases their
> > sensitivity to
> > heat.(or perhaps its the other way around,  bottom
> > line is for a
> > prostate cancer cell quercetin and heat don't
> > mix)[iii]
> >
> > One of the easiest ways to deliver heat into
> > specific areas of the
> > body is through the use of therapeutic ultrasound
> > machines. These
> > aren't the gadgets that they look inside the body
> > with, like to see
> > what sex the baby is. These ultrasound machines
> > simply project
> > ultrasound vibrations into the tissue. The
> vibration
> > is converted to
> > heat. You'll see these gadgets in physical therapy
> > settings. They can
> > warm up the tissue deep below the skin.
> >
> > Quercetin pretreatment followed by ultrasound
> > treatment may become a
> > simple and effective adjunct treatment for
> prostate
> > cancer. In a study
> > published in the British Journal of Cancer in
> > February, 2005, three
> > researcher from the University of California in
> > Santa Barbara reported
> > on their experiments. They found that a short
> > application of
> > ultrasound selectively sensitizes prostate cancer
> > cells to quercetin.
> > Non cancerous cells were unaffected. Ultrasound
> > treatment increased
> > the toxic effect of quercetin on cancer cells by
> > 8,000%. [iv]
> >
> > Ultrasound treatments should be added to our
> growing
> > list of
> > alternative prostate cancer therapies. They should
> > also be considered
> > in prevention programs for both prostate and skin
> > cancer.
> >
> > [i] J Cancer Res Clin Oncol. 2005 Jul 28;:1-7
> [Epub
> > ahead of print]
> >
> > Quercetin-induced growth inhibition and cell death
> > in prostatic
> > carcinoma cells (PC-3) are associated with
> increase
> > in p21 and
> > hypophosphorylated retinoblastoma proteins
> > expression.
> >
> > Vijayababu MR, Kanagaraj P, Arunkumar A, Ilangovan
> > R, Aruldhas MM,
> > Arunakaran J.
> >
> > Department of Endocrinology, Dr. ALM Postgraduate
> > Institute of Basic
> > Medical Sciences, University of Madras , Taramani
> > campus, Chennai, 600
> > 113, India , j_arunakaran@....
> >
> > Prostate cancer is the major health problem and
> the
> > leading cause of
> > male cancer death. Quercetin is a novel antitumor
> > and antioxidant,
> > whose molecular mechanism involved in cell cycle
> > arrest in androgen
> > independent prostate cancer cells remains unclear.
> > In this study, we
> > investigated the effects of quercetin on
> > proliferation and cell cycle
> > arrest by modulation of Cdc2/Cdk-1 protein in
> > prostate cancer cells
> > (PC-3). PC- 3 cells are human androgen independent
> > cancer cells and
> > were cultured with quercetin at concentrations of
> 50
> > and 100 muM for
> > 24 h. Cell proliferation, apoptosis and cell cycle
> > distribution were
> > analyzed. Expression of Cdc2/Cdk-1, cyclin B1,
> > cyclin A, p21/Cip1,
> > pRb, pRb2/p130, Bcl-2, Bcl-X(L), Bax and caspase-3
> > proteins were
> > studied with western blot analysis. Addition of
> > quercetin led to
> > substantial decrease in the expression of
> > Cdc2/Cdk-1, cyclin B1 and
> > phosphorlyated pRb and increase in p21.
> > Flowcytometric analysis showed
> > that quercetin blocks G2-M transition, with
> > significant induction of
> > apoptosis. Apoptosis markers like Bcl-2 and
> Bcl-X(L)
> > were
> > significantly decreased and Bax and caspase-3 were
> > increased. From
> > this study, it was concluded that quercetin
> inhibits
> > prostate cancer
> > cell proliferation by altering the expression of
> > cell cycle regulators
> > and apoptotic proteins.
> >
> > PMID: 16049707 [PubMed - as supplied by publisher]
> >
> > [ii] Prostate. 2004 Feb 1;58(2):109-20.
> >
> > Response to sublethal heat treatment of prostatic
> > tumor cells and of
> > prostatic tumor infiltrating T-cells.
> >
> > Kramer G, Steiner GE, Grobl M, Hrachowitz K,
> > Reithmayr F, Paucz L,
> > Newman M, Madersbacher S, Gruber D, Susani M,
> > Marberger M.
> >
> > Department of Urology, University of Vienna ,
> > Austria .
> >
> > BACKGROUND: To investigate the possibilities
> offered
> > by high intensity
> > focused ultrasound (HIFU) in the field of tumor
> > vaccination, we
> > analyzed how prostatic cancer (CaP) cells react
> > towards heat treatment
> > and whether increased access to CaP cells by the
> > immune system would
> > be the result. METHODS: Heat/stress response of
> CaP
> > cells in situ and
> > of CaP cell lines was analyzed by
> > immunohistochemistry, Western
> > blotting, and Atlas array. A heat-induced change
> in
> > immune recognition
> > was analyzed functionally using human T-helper
> (Th)1
> > and Th2-cytokine
> > release with tumor infiltrating T-lymphocytes
> (TIL)
> > as responder and
> > autologous CaP cells either heated or untreated as
> > stimulator cells.
> > RESULTS: Transcription of 68 out of 500 genes was
> > upregulated by
> > sublethal heat in LNCaP and PC3 cells.
> Significantly
> > upregulated
> > stress protein (SP) expression (HSP-72, -73,
> GRP-75,
> > -78) was seen at
> > the border zone of HIFU treatment. Remarkably,
> even
> > untreated benign
> > prostatic hyperplasia (BPH) specimens revealed
> > relative overexpression
> > of heat shock protein (HSP)-72, -73 and glucose
> > regulated protein
> > (GRP)-75, -78. Heated CaP cells increased
> > Th1-cytokine (IL-2,
> > IFN-gamma, TNF-alpha) release but decreased
> > Th2-cytokine (IL-4, -5,
> > -10) release of TIL. CONCLUSIONS: HIFU treatment
> may
> > alter the
> > presentation of prostate tissue and tumor antigens
> > and this
> > presentation is most likely stimulatory. HSP-72/73
> > overexpression in
> > untreated BPH may suggest a mechanism by which BPH
> > can incite
> > inflammation. Copyright 2003 Wiley-Liss, Inc.
> >
> > [iii] Int J Urol. 2001 Nov;8(11):623-30.
> >
> > Effects of quercetin on the heat-induced
> > cytotoxicity
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#6936 From: larry <lkjohnso@...>
Date: Fri Oct 28, 2005 12:04 am
Subject: RE: [NTPC Yahoo Group] alternative to PC SPES larry1john
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Ed,

A recent study from PubMed found that PSA may function in tumors as an antiangiogenic protein and helps to explain why prostate cancers progress so slowly. Lowering PSA quickly may be to your detriment.
Larry J

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From: natural_prostate_treatments@yahoogroups.com [mailto:natural_prostate_treatments@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of ed wondoloski
Sent: Thursday, October 27, 2005 7:06 AM
To: natural_prostate_treatments@yahoogroups.com; natural_prostate_treatments@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [NTPC Yahoo Group] alternative to PC SPES

hello dwight

regarding your question did it relieve sypmtoms or reduce psa ??? - who knows - but i am still here after 9 years
have a rectal exam every year with my annual check up - last done in august 05 - doctor told me if he did not know i had prostate cancer he would not have known as he could not feel it.

one thing about taking these supplements is the testosterone level gets real low, almost off the chart approaching zero, but with that comes a lack of energy, thats why i keep trying to reduce the amount of pills i take...... everytime i do psa goes up but so does the testosterone level

my triglycerides also run very high off the chart taking these pills - have not found a way to reduce these

i was diagnosed with prostate cancer on 10/96 witha gelason of 3+3 both sides with one detected close to the wall
after much research decided on alternative courses of action rather than conventional

biggest change was in diet - went totally vegetarian and still am, low to no fat diet most of the time, and extended periods up to 6 months of raw food diet
i have taken many to no dietary supplements over this period of time and could not tell a difference one way or another - stopped taking dietary supplements three years ago except of course for pc-res, prostate -res and the original pc-plus

a history of my psa scores follows

note: went on pc-spes 6/1/99
atenonlol stopped 3/19/98
cumadin stopped 4/28/98

4/93                 2.1
2/95                 3.7
10/96               6.6
1/97                 6.6
4/97                 6.6
4/17/97           6.0 free psa 10 %
5/97                 6.4
6/97                 6.5
7/97                 6.4
8/97                 6.2
9/97                 7.8
10/97               6.4
11/97               8.5     strted treatment w/ michael adams and he told me to stop taking soy product "takecare
12/97               8.5
1/98                 7.4
2/98                 7.6
3/98                 8.5
4/98               11.0 stopped going to michel adams after this psa reading
4/17/98           9.6     free psa 7%
5/98                 7.2 started treatment w/ dr chu fung in ny revicci treatment + started soy drink again
6/98                 6.6
7/98                 8.2 took the radioactive drink for prostascint test
8/98                 8.4
9/98                 8.2
10/98               8.8
11/98               9.1
12/98               7.8
1/99                 8.1
2/99                 7.9
3/99                 8.6
4/99                 8.2
5/99                10.0
6/99                 5.5           started taking pc spes on 6/1    6/17 smith nkline lab psa 5.5
7/9/99             3.5               smith kline 7/20 free psa total 3.5 free 5.7%
8/9/99             3.7
9/10/99           2.2
10/8/99           2.5                10/21excell lab free psa total 2.6 free 7.7%(to get % take free and / by total and * by 100
11/10/99         2.4
12/16/99         1.9
1/25/00           1.8
2/28/00           1.5
3/31/00           1.4
4/28/00           1.9
5/00                 1.9
6/ 28/00          1.7
7/00                1.2
8/00                1.2
9/15                 1.6 free psa 0.16 as a % it is 10 %
12/8/00            1.8

jan 01              2.4
feb23,01         2.7
april 11,2001 2.2
may 3,2001    2.4
may 29,2001 2.3
july 10, 2001           2.6
august 9, 2001 2.7
september , 2001 5.0
october 26,2001 0.4
nov 2001    1.6
dec 2001 1.8
jan 2002 2.4
feb 2002 1.7 started on pc-plus for 2 weeks
march not taken
april 2002 0.3 wow !!! on 4 pc-plus per day
june 19,2002 <0.3 on 3 pc-plus a day
july 2002 <0.3 on 3/2 alternating per day. note starting right after this test 7.26 went on one per day
aug 2002 <0.3 on only one per day
sept none in carribean
oct 3, 2002 <0.3 still one per day
nov 8, 2002 <0.3 still 1 per day
dec 2002 <0.3 i per day + 4 pcres
jan 2003 no psa in jamaica but started taking one pc-plus per week + 4 pc-res per day
Feb 2003 <0.3
march 2003 <0.3
april 2003 0.1 4 pc resday +1 pcplus per wk
started 4/18 2 pcres day +no pcplus
may 2003 psa 3.6
went back to 2 pc res day + 1 pcplus week
june psa 0.2
july 2003 psa 0.3
sept 04 psa 0.5
nov 04 psa 0.8
feb 2005 1.5
april 2005 1.9 on pc-res and pc-plus(m,w,f, 1 pc-res; sun 2 pc-res+1 pc-plus: bal of time 2 pc-res
may 2005 none taken
june 2005 2.9 on 1 pc-res per day and 1 pc-plus on sunday
july 2005 3.4
sept 2005 2.7 on 2 pc-res per day and 1 pc-plus on sunday

hope this helps

ed :)

At 10:50 PM 10/26/2005, dwight black wrote:

Hey Ed:

What are your good results? Do you have BPH or PC?
Did it relieve symptoms or reduce PSA?

Dwight Black

--- ed wondoloski <ewondo@...> wrote:

---------------------------------
hi ken

this is the same company that produced pc-res
i have been taking pc-res for over a year with very
good results
they have stopped manufacturing pc-res and are now
producingprostate-res
i just ordered 10 bottles as i am out of pc-res
its too early to tell whether this stuff will work

ed :)

At 06:01 PM 10/26/2005, druckeroffset wrote:
Have found a product calledProstate Res made by ARC
Nutrition.The
ingredients listed seem to be the same as PC SPES with
threeadditions.
I would like to know if any of the forum members have
experience with
this product.    Thanks Ken

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