NTP members,

Just to illustrate the difference between PC-ACT and NPT I though NPT
members would like to see this attachment. As I have said before I would
like the groups to be complementary in some ways and very different in other
ways.

Because conventional prostate cancer treatments are hopelessly inadequate,
both groups are committed to out-of-the-box approaches to PC.

NPT is public domain and casts a wide net.

PC-ACT is private and concentrates on detail.

Thanks for your time.

Sammy.

Guys,

I found this latest phase 3 trial for CRPC see Tokai below. Sadly, it is
just more on a theme of castration.

On the up side I see the USA has a much better record for treatment of
spinal injuries than the UK. See:

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/life_and_style/health/article6917333.ece

Sammy.

Sammy

I have been taking PC Spes, PC Plus.....& Q+ since end of March, 2001.
Beginning from May, 2009 this year , my PSA has been rising from 2.2 ,
2.4, 3.2 , 3.8 and then this month jump to 6.8 all based on my
Testosterone  only < 0.1 to <0.3 nmol/L.  I think I have finally become
Q+ refractory after more than 8 years run by the herbs.  I know I am in
a serious trouble.  But I do not dare to stop Q+ as I cannot get a
doctor to agree to the prescriton of Arimidex.  I am going to see
another oncologist next monday. But not sure if he wiil agree to do
that.  Do you think I should stop Q+ immediately  for one week before I
see him on 23/11.  What other traditional drug should I request in my
case if he refuse to prescribe Arimidex?  Casodex? Climara patches or
DES? Please guide me how to put the tiger back in the cage.  Thanks

Rob dignosed 11/1995. bPSA 30.4, Radiation 66 grays June/July,1996.
Lupron Dec-Feb, 2001




Sammy wrote:
>> Now I've release the tiger (as Sammy states it) and I've got to seek a way
>>
> to put it back in the cage if possible.
>
> It's not brain science. Just do what you did before when your PSA was 1.7
> and T was 57. Basically you have to close down the coregulators that are
> parsitizing your androgen receptor. If that means going back on Q+ or
> whatever then so be it.
>
> Remember, men die from castration resistant prostate cancer - CRPC - not
> from a PSA of 50.  CRPC is caused by continual castration causing resistant
> cell populations to grow. A bout off castration will help you avoid this
> even if your PSA does go up a bit. Scher at MSK has found rapid androgen
> cycling with one week T intervals very effective. The repeated on/off's kill
> PC, so you may have done some good even with one short burst of T.
>
> Sammy.
>
>

Glad you agree with something in my book Tom.

Now the bigQ is what to do ?

Prostate cancer science in the USA is tied in with Big Pharma who promote
castration drugs to the exclusion of everything else. Even Alpharadin for end
stage CRPC.

That means none of those scientists are looking at the natural history of the
disease and thinking about prevention. In turn, that means down the line 40
years or so, many more much younger Americans (compared to now) will be Dx'd PC
and treated with castration.

It does not just mean more pointless suffering - it also means less men will be
reproducing effectively.

America will go the way of the Roman Empire & ironically for the same reason.
The Romans poisoned themselves on cheap sour wine and lead sulphate sweetener.
Lead sulphate is a serious poison they did not recognise or give due credit:
phthalate & BPA are serious poisons ...


Sammy.


--- In natural_prostate_treatments@yahoogroups.com, Tom in Texas
<prostatecure@...> wrote:
>
> Small wonder Pca didn't exist a century ago.
>
> http://www.guardian.co.uk/society/2009/nov/06/health-eu
>
> "
>
> Two-year-old children are being exposed to dangerous levels of
> hormone-disrupting chemicals in domestic products such as rubber clogs and
> sun creams, according to an EU investigation being studied by the
> government.
>
> The 327-page report says that while risks from "anti-androgen" and
> "oestrogen-like" substances in individual items have been recognised, the
> cumulative impact of such chemicals, particularly on boys, is being ignored.
>
> The EU's environment council of ministers is due to agree on a regulatory
> approach to the use of so-called "gender-bender" compounds before Christmas.
> On Monday, EU officials will try to work out a strategy for creating risk
> assessments of products causing concerns. Environmental campaigners fear
> controls will favour industry and not be sufficiently robust.
>
> Phthalates, one of the main anti-androgen chemicals, which are used as
> softeners in soap, rubber shoes, bath mats and soft toys, have been blamed
> for blocking the action of testosterone in the womb and are alleged to cause
> low sperm counts, high rates of testicular cancer and malformations of the
> sexual organs.
>
> Research has suggested that male foetuses around 8-12 weeks after conception
> can be effectively demasculinised by exposure to such chemicals.
>
> The report presented to the environment council and passed on to the
> Department of Environment, Food and Rural Affairs (Defra) comes from
> Denmark, which has experienced a significant increase in the rates of
> testicular cancer.
>
> The warnings are backed by the Chem (Chemicals Health and Environment
> Monitoring) Trust, a UK charity which has taken over campaigning work on
> toxic chemicals from the WWF (World Wildlife Fund).
>
> The Danish study, Survey and Health Assessment of the exposure of
> two-year-olds to chemical substances in consumer products, concludes: "A few
> exposures to a high content of an endocrine-disruptor, such as that of [the
> phthalate] DBP in rubber clogs may result in a critical risk for the
> two-year-old.
>
> "...The amounts that two-year-olds absorb from the [preservative] parabens
> propylparaben and butylparaben can constitute a risk for oestrogen-like
> disruptions of the endocrine system. This contribution originates
> predominantly from cosmetic products such as oil-based creams, moisturising
> creams, lotions and sunscreen.
>
> "Not only is there a need to reduce exposure to anti-androgens and
> oestrogen-like substances from food products, indoor air and dust, but also
> to reduce exposure to [domestic] products, as these contribute to both
> indoor air and dust and to direct exposure.
>
> "There is also a need to reduce possible contributions from other sources,
> such as propyl-, butyl- and isobutyl paraben in cosmetics, and phthalates in
> footwear (such as light-weight sandals and rubber boots)."
>
> Gwynne Lyons, director of Chem Trust, said she feared the recommendations
> would not be heeded. "There are worries that Poland and the UK are more
> focused on protecting industry. Without public pressure, these countries
> will only agree to wording that sounds good, but actually falls short of
> ensuring that regulation is based on total exposure to, for example,
> so-called gender-bender chemicals.
>
> "Both the public and wildlife are inadequately protected from harm, as
> regulation is based on looking at exposure to each substance in isolation,
> and yet it is now proven beyond doubt that hormone disrupting chemicals can
> act together to cause effects even when each by itself would not."
>
> Defra said: "Public safety is the government's priority, and we will be
> reading the Danish report with interest. The potential for "cocktail
> effects" from different chemicals should not be ignored, and we
> support the European
> Union <http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/eu>'s Environment Council's upcoming
> work on regulating combinations of chemicals."
>
> The government's Interdepartmental Group on Health Risks from Chemicals has
> recently published a report offering a framework for assessing the risks of
> mixtures to human health. It suggested that cumulative risk assessment
> should not be the only way of approaching "cocktail effects".
> Hormone disrupting chemicals in household products
>
> • Phthalates are used in the manufacture of rubber clogs, rubber boots, soap
> packaging, products made from PVC, bath mats and soft toys. They are also
> found in food products as a result of environmental pollution, according to
> the Danish study.
>
> • Oestrogen-like substances, including chemicals known as parabens, occur in
> cosmetics, sun creams and moisturising lotions.
>
> • Pesticides, such as DDT, dioxins and PCBs, are also known
> hormone-disruptors.?
>

Wasn't Dr. Ben L. Pfeifer using Bio Bran (IP6) together with Prostasol and
Imupros as part of his protocol for Metastatic prostate cancer back in early
2000? Based on his results it seems to have a positive effect.

I've been searching for a Urologist for a number of years that would monitor me
while trying to increase T. I found one and started with a PSA of 1.7 (it had
never gone above 2.8 in 5 years) and a Total T level of 57. I had CT scans and
bone scans and I was clean (they think). After one month on Androgel 3 pumps per
day my Testosterone rose to 656 and my PSA went to 29. The doctors had never
seen such a rapid rise in PSA so the took me off Androgel. Thinking that this
was a lab mistake they retested my PSA. I came back 26 ng/ml. I asked them what
my Testosterone was and they said they didn't test that. If they thought
Testosterone was the cause wouldn't you think they would test that also (just
for the record).

Now I've release the tiger (as Sammy states it) and I've got to seek a way to
put it back in the cage if possible. There was a couple of months of ineffective
LTH Prostasolve involved on this mix prior to the +T. Before we started +T I
told the Dr I expected to see a rise in PSA but wanted to get the T number up
quickly (1000+). He agreed but with this dramatic a rise he shut down the
program. Is anyone aware of individuals with Plus 1000 Testosterone levels and
mets? The Dr. indicated that this wasn't uncommon. I wonder? Will start on IP6
as soon as I can get it. May have to seek help in Houston or Europe if the rise
continues.

DX 2001 age 60, RP 2001, PSA rise to 0.3 in 10 mn, Salvage RT 2004, PSA .06,
Used Prostasol, Feb 2005, Q+, 06' - '09 varied 2/d to 1/wk LTH Prostasolve Feb
09, to Jul 09. Started Lot#08794 4xd on 10/27 after failed T+. I don't know if
anyone has had a problem with this Lot#

--- In natural_prostate_treatments@yahoogroups.com, "Sammy"
<sammy.spamhandler@...> wrote:
>
> Here is a good one for this side of the water.
> http://www.myprotein.co.uk/
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Tom in Texas
> To: natural_prostate_treatments@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2009 11:13 PM
> Subject: [NTPC Yahoo Group] Dirt cheap bulk powders
>
>
>
> http://purebulk.com/
>
> I've asked them to stock IP6. I'm taking 2 X 50 gm IP6+13.75 gm
> Inositol. My doctor is very pleased that my PCa is regressing (based
> on serum Vitamin C concentration increasing after each 75 gram
> infusion). OTOH he's got a gag order in the infusion room that we are
> to NEVER discuss our treatments/what we're taking. He said he'd not
> be too happy if word got around that large doses of IP6+Inositol both
> chelate as well as his EDTA drips, they also kill and re-differentiate
> cancer. He came up with all sorts of reasons he tried using
> IP6+Inositol but gave it up. None of them made sense. I believe it's
> a revenue stream situation. If cheap stuff works, how can he make
> money?
>

> Now I've release the tiger (as Sammy states it) and I've got to seek a way
to put it back in the cage if possible.

It's not brain science. Just do what you did before when your PSA was 1.7
and T was 57. Basically you have to close down the coregulators that are
parsitizing your androgen receptor. If that means going back on Q+ or
whatever then so be it.

Remember, men die from castration resistant prostate cancer - CRPC - not
from a PSA of 50.  CRPC is caused by continual castration causing resistant
cell populations to grow. A bout off castration will help you avoid this
even if your PSA does go up a bit. Scher at MSK has found rapid androgen
cycling with one week T intervals very effective. The repeated on/off's kill
PC, so you may have done some good even with one short burst of T.

Sammy.


----- Original Message -----
From: lfrawlele@...
To: notify-dg-natural_prostate_treatments@yahoogroups.com ;
natural_prostate_treatments@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, November 15, 2009 5:48 PM
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Wasn't Dr. Ben L. Pfeifer using Bio Bran (IP6) together with Prostasol
and Imupros as part of his protocol for Metastatic prostate cancer back
in early 2000? Based on his results it seems to have a positive
effect.

I've been searching for a Urologist for a number of years that would
monitor me while trying to increase T. I found one and started with a
PSA of 1.7 (it had never gone above 2.8 in 5 years) and a Total T level
of 57. I had CT scans and bone scans and I was clean (they think).
After one month on Androgel 3 pumps per day my Testosterone rose to
656 and my PSA went to 29. The doctors had never seen such a rapid
rise in PSA so the took me off Androgel. Thinking that this was a lab
mistake they retested my PSA. I came back 26 ng/ml. I asked them what
my Testosterone was and they said they didn't test that. If they
thought Testosterone was the cause wouldn't you think they would test
that also (just for the record).

Now I've release the tiger (as Sammy states it) and I've got to seek a
way to put it back in the cage if possible. There was a couple of
months of ineffective LTH Prostasolve involved on this mix prior to the
+T. Before we started +T I told the Dr I expected to see a rise in PSA
but wanted to get the T number up quickly (1000+). He agreed but with
this dramatic a rise he shut down the program. Is anyone aware of
individuals with Plus 1000 Testosterone levels and mets? The Dr.
indicated that this wasn't uncommon. I wonder? Will start on IP6 as
soon as I can get it. May have to seek help in Houston or Europe if the
rise continues.

DX 2001 age 60, RP 2001, PSA rise to 0.3 in 10 mn, Salvage RT 2004,
PSA .06, Used Prostasol, Feb 2005, Q+, 06' - '09 varied 2/d to 1/wk LTH
Prostasolve Feb 09, to Jul 09. Started Lot#08794 4xd on 10/27 after
failed T+. I don't know if anyone has had a problem with this Lot#

-----Original Message-----
From: natural_prostate_treatments@yahoogroups.com
To: natural_prostate_treatments@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sun, Nov 15, 2009 8:13 am
Subject: [NTPC Yahoo Group] Digest Number 2728

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Re: [NTPC Yahoo Group] Re: Dirt cheap bulk powders
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Re: [NTPC Yahoo Group] Re: Dirt cheap bulk powders
From:
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4.

apigenin link
From:
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Posted by: "Tom in Texas"
prostatecure@...


prostatecure

Sat Nov 14, 2009 11:54 am (PST)

On Fri, Nov 13, 2009 at 9:12 PM, <swhwew@...> wrote:

>

>

> synorx.com makes a version called apigensyn that like its other
'syn'

> products is claimed to bypass the liver, ie greater
bioavailability.. .dr

> steve martin turned me on to them

>

> i use their quercyn. lutisyn, and chrysyn

>

> check with tom lahey there.

>

> shellyw

>

>

Could you please give us the URL again? synorx.com is a dead link.
When I

google apigenisyn I find little that'll lead me to the vendor/producer.

Tom

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ewranglerasc

Sat Nov 14, 2009 11:55 am (PST)

I guess we are talking drip medication here, or any info to know
if any of these medications work orally ?

thanks,

EDWARD

--- On Fri, 11/13/09, Patrick OShea <pjoshea13@...> wrote:

From: Patrick OShea <pjoshea13@...>

Subject: [NTPC Yahoo Group] Re: Dirt cheap bulk powders

To: natural_prostate_treatments@yahoogroups.com

Date: Friday, November 13, 2009, 8:40 AM



Tom,



For me, while price is important, quality is more important.  The AIE
Pharmaceuticals IP6 originated in China.  The more expensive Jarrow
product I use comes from Japan.  The two may be equal in quality - I'm
not in a position to know.  At the moment, there is a widespread lack
of confidence in Chinese products.  I'd love to buy Japanese IP6 by the
kilo.  I'm not looking for the absolute lowest price.  Alternatively, a
Chinese product that has been tested for impurities in the U.S.  At the
amounts you are taking, purity must surely be an issue.



Best, -Patrick

Dx04 @ 56 (DRE nodule 2002) |bPSA 3.3 (0.8 when nodule found)| GS=4+3,
RP - no LN, no SV, but PSA nadir-0.3. DT=3 months Salvage RT 2005.
Again, nadir=0.3. No HB. +AM

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Posted by: "Tom in Texas"
prostatecure@...


prostatecure

Sat Nov 14, 2009 2:42 pm (PST)

On Sat, Nov 14, 2009 at 10:51 AM, edward wrangler
<ewranglerasc@...>wrote:

>

>

> I guess we are talking drip medication here, or any info to know
if any of

> these medications work orally ?

>

> thanks,

>

> EDWARD

>

>

This is dissolve in de-ionized water (IP6 is a heavy chelator) and
drink.

Sort of like powdered milk, except chalky and flavorless. Drink on very

empty stomach and wait an hour before consuming anything else. Take
twice a

day, every 12 hours.

I've been asked about taking IP6+Inositol with Q+ or ADT. It might
work a

little. Both of these make Pca dormant, so it's like putting plant
poison

on a tree that's lost its leaves and has gone dormant for Winter.

IP6+Inositol fight cancer. In order to fight cancer, it's got to be
active,

unless you're going to fry it with microwaves or radiation.
IP6+Inositol

interfere with the DNA and metabolism of cancer. For that, the cancer
has

to be non-dormant.

These aren't medications. Can never be, unless a pharm company files
for a

use patent. These are naturally found in the body and are fairly cheap

supplements. The combo IP6+Inositol is patented, US patent 5082833,

http://www.google.com/patents?vid=USPAT5082833 ,

read book *Nature's Ultimate Anti-Cancer Pill: The IP-6 with Inositol

Question and Answer Book* by Stephen L. Coles, ISBN 1893910008.

Because there's a patent on the combo, you can buy the combo expensive,
like

Cell Forte, or buy the two supplements and take them together. The
ratio is

IP6:Inositol 4:1.1 by weight. Suggested dose is 8 gm IP6. Clinical
trials

used 8-28 grams IP6. The patent mentions 500 mg. IP6 per kg bodyweight
and

all the research shows the response is dose and time dependent (the
more you

take for longer, the better the response).

There are loads of pubmed abstracts/articles on IP6/Inositol research
and

cancer. Lots of in vitro mockups of cancer tumors treated with

IP6/Inositol. Rodent studies specifically on Pca showed very good
results.

A few scattered clinical trials which were demonstrative but not in

sufficient experimental/research design for a peer reviewed journal or
to

satisfy the FDA. The IP6/Inositol combo is something of a darling of
many

naturopaths, the bane of others, like mine. Mine is only into cash
flow and

he can't make any money off of cheap supplements when he can charge me
USD

200 for a Vitamin C drip instead.

It works for me. That's good enough for this little piece of Austin, TX

> --- On *Fri, 11/13/09, Patrick OShea <pjoshea13@...>*
wrote:

>

>

> From: Patrick OShea <pjoshea13@...>

> Subject: [NTPC Yahoo Group] Re: Dirt cheap bulk powders

> To: natural_prostate_treatments@yahoogroups.com

> Date: Friday, November 13, 2009, 8:40 AM

>

>

>

>

> Tom,

>

> For me, while price is important, quality is more important. The
AIE

> Pharmaceuticals IP6 originated in China. Patrick

>

>

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prostatecure

Sat Nov 14, 2009 11:56 am (PST)

On Fri, Nov 13, 2009 at 10:40 AM, Patrick OShea
<pjoshea13@...> wrote:

>

>

> Tom,

>

> For me, while price is important, quality is more important. The
AIE

> Pharmaceuticals IP6 originated in China. The more expensive
Jarrow product

> I use comes from Japan. The two may be equal in quality - I'm not
in a

> position to know. At the moment, there is a widespread lack of
confidence

> in Chinese products. I'd love to buy Japanese IP6 by the kilo.
I'm not

> looking for the absolute lowest price. Alternatively, a Chinese
product

> that has been tested for impurities in the U.S. At the amounts
you are

> taking, purity must surely be an issue.

>

> Best, -Patrick

>

> Dx04 @ 56 (DRE nodule 2002) |bPSA 3.3 (0.8 when nodule found)|
GS=4+3, RP -

> no LN, no SV, but PSA nadir-0.3. DT=3 months Salvage RT 2005.
Again,

> nadir=0.3. No HB. +AM

>

>

Patrick,

I noted that it comes from China. That is scary. I avoid things from

China, which is why I don't buy from Beyond-a-Century anymore. I've
had too

much experience, running a buyers club, in falsified COAs from China.

I've taken the plunge, nonetheless. The main problem I've had in the
past

with Chinese products is heavy metal contamination. IP6 plus a slew of

other substances I'm taking are chelators. Now I am taking a chance that

there is no IP6 in the Chinese product (that really happens). I'll do
taste

and other tests when the stuff arrives.

Tom

>

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shelllus

Sat Nov 14, 2009 3:42 pm (PST)

instead of synorx.com, google lutimax nutraceuticals

phone is 949-492-6642 --tomlahey@...

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Two-year-old children are being exposed to dangerous levels of hormone-disrupting chemicals in domestic products such as rubber clogs and sun creams, according to an EU investigation being studied by the government.

The 327-page report says that while risks from "anti-androgen" and "oestrogen-like" substances in individual items have been recognised, the cumulative impact of such chemicals, particularly on boys, is being ignored.

The EU's environment council of ministers is due to agree on a regulatory approach to the use of so-called "gender-bender" compounds before Christmas. On Monday, EU officials will try to work out a strategy for creating risk assessments of products causing concerns. Environmental campaigners fear controls will favour industry and not be sufficiently robust.

Phthalates, one of the main anti-androgen chemicals, which are used as softeners in soap, rubber shoes, bath mats and soft toys, have been blamed for blocking the action of testosterone in the womb and are alleged to cause low sperm counts, high rates of testicular cancer and malformations of the sexual organs.

Research has suggested that male foetuses around 8-12 weeks after conception can be effectively demasculinised by exposure to such chemicals.

The report presented to the environment council and passed on to the Department of Environment, Food and Rural Affairs (Defra) comes from Denmark, which has experienced a significant increase in the rates of testicular cancer.

The warnings are backed by the Chem (Chemicals Health and Environment Monitoring) Trust, a UK charity which has taken over campaigning work on toxic chemicals from the WWF (World Wildlife Fund).

The Danish study, Survey and Health Assessment of the exposure of two-year-olds to chemical substances in consumer products, concludes: "A few exposures to a high content of an endocrine-disruptor, such as that of [the phthalate] DBP in rubber clogs may result in a critical risk for the two-year-old.

"...The amounts that two-year-olds absorb from the [preservative] parabens propylparaben and butylparaben can constitute a risk for oestrogen-like disruptions of the endocrine system. This contribution originates predominantly from cosmetic products such as oil-based creams, moisturising creams, lotions and sunscreen.

"Not only is there a need to reduce exposure to anti-androgens and oestrogen-like substances from food products, indoor air and dust, but also to reduce exposure to [domestic] products, as these contribute to both indoor air and dust and to direct exposure.

"There is also a need to reduce possible contributions from other sources, such as propyl-, butyl- and isobutyl paraben in cosmetics, and phthalates in footwear (such as light-weight sandals and rubber boots)."

Gwynne Lyons, director of Chem Trust, said she feared the recommendations would not be heeded. "There are worries that Poland and the UK are more focused on protecting industry. Without public pressure, these countries will only agree to wording that sounds good, but actually falls short of ensuring that regulation is based on total exposure to, for example, so-called gender-bender chemicals.

"Both the public and wildlife are inadequately protected from harm, as regulation is based on looking at exposure to each substance in isolation, and yet it is now proven beyond doubt that hormone disrupting chemicals can act together to cause effects even when each by itself would not."

Defra said: "Public safety is the government's priority, and we will be reading the Danish report with interest. The potential for "cocktail effects" from different chemicals should not be ignored, and we support the European Union's Environment Council's upcoming work on regulating combinations of chemicals."

The government's Interdepartmental Group on Health Risks from Chemicals has recently published a report offering a framework for assessing the risks of mixtures to human health. It suggested that cumulative risk assessment should not be the only way of approaching "cocktail effects".

Hormone disrupting chemicals in household products

• Phthalates are used in the manufacture of rubber clogs, rubber boots, soap packaging, products made from PVC, bath mats and soft toys. They are also found in food products as a result of environmental pollution, according to the Danish study.

• Oestrogen-like substances, including chemicals known as parabens, occur in cosmetics, sun creams and moisturising lotions.

• Pesticides, such as DDT, dioxins and PCBs, are also known hormone-disruptors.?

Wasn't Dr. Ben L. Pfeifer  using Bio Bran (IP6) together with Prostasol
and Imupros as part of his protocol for Metastatic prostate cancer back
in early 2000?  Based on his results it seems to have a positive
effect.

I've been searching for a Urologist for a number of years that would
monitor me  while trying to increase T.  I found one and started with a
PSA of 1.7 (it had never gone above 2.8 in 5 years) and a Total T level
of 57. I had CT scans and bone scans and I was clean (they think).
After one month on Androgel  3 pumps per day my Testosterone rose to
656 and my PSA went to 29.  The doctors had never seen such a rapid
rise in PSA so the took me off Androgel. Thinking that this was a lab
mistake they retested my PSA. I came back 26 ng/ml.  I asked them what
my Testosterone was and they said they didn't test that. If they
thought Testosterone was the cause wouldn't you think they would test
that also (just for the record).

Now I've release the tiger (as Sammy states it) and I've got to seek a
way to put it back in the cage if possible.  There was a couple of
months of ineffective LTH Prostasolve involved on this mix prior to the
+T.  Before we started +T I told the Dr I expected to see a rise in PSA
but wanted to get the T number up quickly (1000+). He agreed but with
this dramatic a rise he shut down the program.  Is anyone aware of
individuals with Plus 1000 Testosterone  levels and mets?  The Dr.
indicated that this wasn't uncommon.  I wonder?   Will start on IP6 as
soon as I can get it. May have to seek help in Houston or Europe if the
rise continues.

DX 2001 age 60,  RP 2001, PSA rise to 0.3 in 10 mn, Salvage RT 2004,
PSA .06, Used Prostasol, Feb 2005, Q+, 06' - '09 varied 2/d to 1/wk LTH
Prostasolve Feb 09, to Jul 09.  Started Lot#08794  4xd on 10/27 after
failed T+. I don't know if anyone has had a problem with this Lot#

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           prostatecure



       Sat Nov 14, 2009 11:54 am        (PST)





       On Fri, Nov 13, 2009 at 9:12 PM, <swhwew@...> wrote:



>

>

> synorx.com makes a version called apigensyn that like its other
'syn'

> products is claimed to bypass the liver, ie greater
bioavailability.. .dr

> steve martin turned me on to them

>

> i use their quercyn. lutisyn, and chrysyn

>

> check with tom lahey there.

>

> shellyw

>

>

Could you please give us the URL again?  synorx.com is a dead link.
When I

google apigenisyn I find little that'll lead me to the vendor/producer.



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        I guess we are talking drip medication here, or any info to know
if any of these medications work orally ?

thanks,

EDWARD



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From: Patrick OShea <pjoshea13@...>

Subject: [NTPC  Yahoo Group] Re: Dirt cheap bulk powders

To: natural_prostate_treatments@yahoogroups.com

Date: Friday, November 13, 2009, 8:40 AM



 



Tom,

 

For me, while price is important, quality is more important.  The AIE
Pharmaceuticals IP6 originated in China.  The more expensive Jarrow
product I use comes from Japan.  The two may be equal in quality - I'm
not in a position to know.  At the moment, there is a widespread lack
of confidence in Chinese products.  I'd love to buy Japanese IP6 by the
kilo.  I'm not looking for the absolute lowest price.  Alternatively, a
Chinese product that has been tested for impurities in the U.S.  At the
amounts you are taking, purity must surely be an issue.

 

Best, -Patrick



Dx04 @ 56 (DRE nodule 2002) |bPSA 3.3 (0.8 when nodule found)| GS=4+3,
RP - no LN, no SV, but PSA nadir-0.3. DT=3 months Salvage RT 2005.
Again, nadir=0.3. No HB. +AM








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       Sat Nov 14, 2009 2:42 pm        (PST)





        On Sat, Nov 14, 2009 at 10:51 AM, edward wrangler
<ewranglerasc@...>wrote:



>

>

> I guess we are talking drip medication here, or any info to know
if any of

> these medications work orally ?

>

> thanks,

>

> EDWARD

>

>

This is dissolve in de-ionized water (IP6 is a heavy chelator) and
drink.

Sort of like powdered milk, except chalky and flavorless.  Drink on very

empty stomach and wait an hour before consuming anything else.  Take
twice a

day, every 12 hours.



I've been asked about taking IP6+Inositol with Q+ or ADT.  It might
work a

little.  Both of these make Pca dormant, so it's like putting plant
poison

on a tree that's lost its leaves and has gone dormant for Winter.

IP6+Inositol fight cancer.  In order to fight cancer, it's got to be
active,

unless you're going to fry it with microwaves or radiation.
IP6+Inositol

interfere with the DNA and metabolism of cancer.  For that, the cancer
has

to be non-dormant.



These aren't medications.  Can never be, unless a pharm company files
for a

use patent.  These are naturally found in the body and are fairly cheap

supplements. The combo IP6+Inositol is patented, US patent 5082833,

http://www.google.com/patents?vid=USPAT5082833 ,

read book *Nature's Ultimate Anti-Cancer Pill: The IP-6 with Inositol

Question and Answer Book* by Stephen L. Coles, ISBN 1893910008.



Because there's a patent on the combo, you can buy the combo expensive,
like

Cell Forte, or buy the two supplements and take them together.  The
ratio is

IP6:Inositol 4:1.1 by weight.  Suggested dose is 8 gm IP6.  Clinical
trials

used 8-28 grams IP6.  The patent mentions 500 mg. IP6 per kg bodyweight
and

all the research shows the response is dose and time dependent (the
more you

take for longer, the better the response).



There are loads of pubmed abstracts/articles on IP6/Inositol research
and

cancer.  Lots of in vitro mockups of cancer tumors treated with

IP6/Inositol.  Rodent studies specifically on Pca showed very good
results.

A few scattered clinical trials which were demonstrative but not in

sufficient experimental/research design for a peer reviewed journal or
to

satisfy the FDA.  The IP6/Inositol combo is something of a darling of
many

naturopaths, the bane of others, like mine.  Mine is only into cash
flow and

he can't make any money off of cheap supplements when he can charge me
USD

200 for a Vitamin C drip instead.



It works for me.  That's good enough for this little piece of Austin, TX



> --- On *Fri, 11/13/09, Patrick OShea <pjoshea13@...>*
wrote:

>

>

> From: Patrick OShea <pjoshea13@...>

> Subject: [NTPC Yahoo Group] Re: Dirt cheap bulk powders

> To: natural_prostate_treatments@yahoogroups.com

> Date: Friday, November 13, 2009, 8:40 AM

>

>

>

>

> Tom,

>

> For me, while price is important, quality is more important.  The
AIE

> Pharmaceuticals IP6 originated in China.    Patrick

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           prostatecure



       Sat Nov 14, 2009 11:56 am        (PST)





        On Fri, Nov 13, 2009 at 10:40 AM, Patrick OShea
<pjoshea13@...> wrote:



>

>

> Tom,

>

> For me, while price is important, quality is more important.  The
AIE

> Pharmaceuticals IP6 originated in China.  The more expensive
Jarrow product

> I use comes from Japan.  The two may be equal in quality - I'm not
in a

> position to know.  At the moment, there is a widespread lack of
confidence

> in Chinese products.  I'd love to buy Japanese IP6 by the kilo.
I'm not

> looking for the absolute lowest price.  Alternatively, a Chinese
product

> that has been tested for impurities in the U.S.  At the amounts
you are

> taking, purity must surely be an issue.

>

> Best, -Patrick

>

> Dx04 @ 56 (DRE nodule 2002) |bPSA 3.3 (0.8 when nodule found)|
GS=4+3, RP -

> no LN, no SV, but PSA nadir-0.3. DT=3 months Salvage RT 2005.
Again,

> nadir=0.3. No HB. +AM

>

>

Patrick,



I noted that it comes from China.  That is scary.  I avoid things from

China, which is why I don't buy from Beyond-a-Century anymore.  I've
had too

much experience, running a buyers club, in falsified COAs from China.



I've taken the plunge, nonetheless.  The main problem I've had in the
past

with Chinese products is heavy metal contamination.  IP6 plus a slew of

other substances I'm taking are chelators. Now I am taking a chance that

there is no IP6 in the Chinese product (that really happens).  I'll do
taste

and other tests when the stuff arrives.



Tom



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       Sat Nov 14, 2009 3:42 pm        (PST)





       instead of synorx.com, google lutimax nutraceuticals



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Charlie:
I live in Canada, and send ProstaSol, and Prostectan to the states on a
continuous basis.
ProstaSol is $119.00 a bottle.
Prostectan is $99.00 a bottle.
Delivery for up to four bottles is $17.00.
I can accept a cheque drawn on your bank.
Cheers
Ken

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Can someone in the U.S. tell me the cost of Dr. Pfeifer's ProstaSol in U.S.
dollars and where can I purchase?
Thank You,

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On Thu, Nov 12, 2009 at 2:07 PM, tinycamera1 <DavidCohen99@...> wrote:
> Does IP6+Inositol work?  If so, why did he give it up?  BTW, he can't have a
gag order about your treatment. That's absurd! Tell him to take a hike, unless
you're doing really well on it.
>
> David

Does IP6+Inositol work?   There are loads of test tube tests showing
it works especially well against Pca.  There are a couple of non-peer
reviewed, not statistically significant clinical trials that shows it
works.  The recommended dose is something like 6 gm IP6, 1.5 gm
Inositol.  Test tube trials and meager clinical trials say that the
results are dose and time dependent.  Works a number of ways, both
making the cells normal and therefore dying on schedule as opposed to
being cancer immortal and actually making the cells more normal,
thereby a Gleason 4 would become a 3, would become a 2 and so on.  But
it's real doses, as in the patent, which do the work.  The patent
advises 1/2 gm per kg weight.

The gag order is a good idea, IMO.  There are people from all over
Texas coming in and telling me that cancer lives on sugar, telling me
about this or that cure.  The doctor is very conservative and the
medical board is very vicious.  So he has to tread lightly.  Also,
IP6+Inositol would be against his revenue stream.  IP6 is a massive
chelator.  That would put out his $140/EDTA infusion (usually given in
groups of 30) business.  It would put out his 75 gram Vitamin C
business at almost $200 per infusion.  Yes, high prices, but he's one
of two games in town and his "competition" is nuttier than a fruit
cake.

The doctor practices in a state in which naturopathy is not legally
recognized.  So he can't treat cancer.  He officially gives people
Vitamin C drips to strengthen their immune system.  That he's
following a cancer protocol is, shall we say, a mere coincidence.

I've told a number of patients about IP6+Inositol.  All have ignored
me.  They all are into their Chinese herbal cure or whatever.

I'm dealing with a doctor who is willing to do many things.  Cutting
edge alternative, no.  But that's OK.  He had me scheduled for 30 X 4
EDTA treatments.  Using USD 1,000 of DMSA and OSR#1 on days I wasn't
taking the Vitamin C drips cleared out my system so I didn't need any
more chelation after the first 30.  So he's got his agenda, I've got
mine.  It works.

Does IP6+Inositol work?  If so, why did he give it up?  BTW, he can't have a gag
order about your treatment. That's absurd! Tell him to take a hike, unless
you're doing really well on it.

David

--- In natural_prostate_treatments@yahoogroups.com, Tom in Texas
<prostatecure@...> wrote:
>
> http://purebulk.com/
>
> I've asked them to stock IP6.  I'm taking 2 X 50 gm IP6+13.75 gm
> Inositol.  My doctor is very pleased that my PCa is regressing (based
> on serum Vitamin C concentration increasing after each 75 gram
> infusion).  OTOH he's got a gag order in the infusion room that we are
> to NEVER discuss our treatments/what we're taking.  He said he'd not
> be too happy if word got around that large doses of IP6+Inositol both
> chelate as well as his EDTA drips, they also kill and re-differentiate
> cancer.  He came up with all sorts of reasons he tried using
> IP6+Inositol but gave it up.  None of them made sense.  I believe it's
> a revenue stream situation.  If cheap stuff works, how can he make
> money?
>

________________________________________
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http://purebulk.com/

I've asked them to stock IP6.  I'm taking 2 X 50 gm IP6+13.75 gm
Inositol.  My doctor is very pleased that my PCa is regressing (based
on serum Vitamin C concentration increasing after each 75 gram
infusion).  OTOH he's got a gag order in the infusion room that we are
to NEVER discuss our treatments/what we're taking.  He said he'd not
be too happy if word got around that large doses of IP6+Inositol both
chelate as well as his EDTA drips, they also kill and re-differentiate
cancer.  He came up with all sorts of reasons he tried using
IP6+Inositol but gave it up.  None of them made sense.  I believe it's
a revenue stream situation.  If cheap stuff works, how can he make
money?

Well I'll be!  Good work Ed!  I couldn't find anything on it.  I never thought
Vit D would be a blood thinner.

David

--- In natural_prostate_treatments@yahoogroups.com, steeleglas <steeleglas@...>
wrote:
>
> Perhaps the bottom study answers my question as to whether D-3 "thins"
> the blood. It apparently has anticoagulant properties.
> Ed Brenner
>
> Thank you for contacting the Vitamin D Council.
> (www.vitamindresearch.org)
>
>
> There is evidence that vitamin D is protective against stroke and
> hypertension:
>
> http://www.vitamindcouncil.org/science/research/vitamin-d-and-stroke.shtml
>
> http://www.vitamindcouncil.org/researchHypertension.shtml
>
>
> As well as reduction of thrombosis:
>
> http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2006/06/060602171448.htm
>

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To all

please, where can I find a doc’s record on the internet giving me details like
credentials, number of surgeries performed, ratings, complaints, disciplinary
actions, malpractice suits etc?

Thanks

John