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From: Harold

To: natural_prostate_treatments@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Saturday, December 30, 2006 3:35 PM

Subject: Re: [NTPC Yahoo Group] Prostititis and CPDUS (was prostate pain)

 

Well said Dominick !

 

Especially the part about the practitioners never even hinting that if you do have a post RP or RT sex life it will be a shadow of the original.

 

The other thing is that if you go and ADT they will never get you off it at the earliest opportunity but if the PSA ever bounces upward from its low will keep you on it forever.

 

Harold

 

 

>From: dominick c.vecchio

To: natural_prostate_treatments@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Saturday, December 30, 2006 1:15 PM

Subject: Re: [NTPC Yahoo Group] Prostititis and CPDUS (was prostate pain)

I have an article on it from years ago.

I never researched it fearing it would require surgery and being young and foolish I didnt pursue it.

What I remember is all I can refer to so I am winging it.

Apparently in some people there is a confluence of nerve endings in the rectal area that can go into a spastic state under certain conditions of aggravation or activity.

One of those is ejaculation and coincident orgasm. This sensation overloads the network and can result in extreme pain in the rectal area.

This can happen everytime you have a sexual encounter which gets completed normally,that is with ejaculation and orgasm.

Also caffiene can trip it or certain foods.

You can control the pain by sitting on a hard ,cold surface bringing your knees into your chest  as hard as you can. This cuts off circulation to your lower area,legs,rectum,butt etc and the pain will abate in about 5 to ten minutes as your butt goes numb.

I found out by accident that 3 regular aspirin will knock it out in about 10 minutes without a doubt.

Strangely those 3 aspirins will reverse a murderous leg cramp in ten minutes.

The other treatment for Levators syndrome is electric shock therapy.

When the common street jargon or slang speaks of a pain in the ass( not the usual worries in life) could be a physical event in your body.

I dont get them since I went on ADT and shrank my prostate to 20 grams.

Also, my libido being low prevents me from doing the thing that would cause the problem.

Now my libido is returning as my Testosterone returns but I have very little prostatic fluid as my prostate is flat. The production of fluid is last to come back and everyone should know without this fluid the sexual experience will never be the same.

This bull about removal or radiation of the prostate allowing normal sex is baloney.

I didnt know this until it happened to me.

Its like separate but equal. It doesnt exist on this planet at least.

In order to have normal sex you must have a normal functioning prostate. Its the absolute prerequisite. If any doctor tells you something else he's blowing smoke up you know where. DRY ORGASM IS NOT EQUAL TO NORMAL SEXUAL ACTIVITY. JUST AS AN ERECTION SUITABLE FOR VAGINAL PENETRATION IS BULL. Doctors use these arguments to rationalize interventions to supposedly arrest PCa and mess you up in other areas.The nerve sparing technique is also bull. Seed implant is also speculative along with all forms of radiation.You will not have a prostate gland either way so dont believe the bull.

Dominick

 

 

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I took 1200 mg in divided dosages while I was really trying to restore my
levels.  Now I take 400-1000mg depending on my stress levels.  Some days I
don't take any at all, depends, I certainly know when I need it though.
Stress, alcohol, caffeine will all deplete magnesium.  I've tried gels and
baths but the pills work fine so I don't bother.


--- Ann <noliro@...> wrote:

> Hi Paul,  Thanks so much for the info on magnesium both here and on
> the iodine group (I think). I am taking about 600 mg per day of
> magnesium as magnesium glycinate. How much can one safely take? Did
> you also use a creme with magnesium in it? Since I have tight muscles
> and am prone to migraines I really think I need magnesium.
>
> I do confess to drinking some diet coke, occasional rum and coffee
> especially over the holidays when we have social events and adult
> children staying here - much temptation. I imagine that all these
> substances serve to deplete magnesium stores?
>
> Time to clean up my diet again. Happy New Year!
>
> Ann
>
>
> On 31 Dec 2006, at 03:07, Paul wrote:
>
> > There are a lot more than 4 types. They all have different levels of
> > absorbability. Google mag oxide and some sites say it is about 10-20%
> > absorbable. Just trying to save you some time from my research.
> >
> > There is a powdered mag mixture that is great. It is called
> > "Natural Calm" and
> > you pour hot water on it and drink it as a hot tea. The much
> > cheaper glycinate
> > is just as good.
> >
> > "Magnesium Oxide is nearly perfectly not absorbable. It is the
> > cheapest form of
> > magnesium and such is a cruel hoax by the manufacturer. Go to any
> > chemistry
> > text and you will see how ridiculous the claim that it "splits the
> > magnesium
> > from the oxygen when consumed with water" is."
> >
> > http://askwaltstollmd.com/archives/mg/65394.html
> >
> > http://www.google.com/search?
> > num=100&hl=en&lr=&safe=off&client=safari&rls=en&q=magnesium
> > +glycinate+absorbable&btnG=Search
> >
> > --- tinycamera1 <DavidCohen99@...> wrote:
> >
> > > Wouldn't any magnesium supplement work? There are about 4 types.
> > >
> > > David
> > >
> > >
> > > --- In natural_prostate_treatments@yahoogroups.com, Paul
> > <kennio@...>
> > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Since that sounds like it may be a nutritional thing like mine
> > was.
> > > I strongly
> > > > suggest you try a cheap bottle of magnesium Glycinate and see if
> > > your pain
> > > > clears up like mine did...doesn't matter what brand you buy... and
> > > it's not a
> > > > drug so give it time. Even eating a few ounce of pumpkin seeds a
> > > day will give
> > > > you the magnesium you may be lacking.
> > > >
> > > > I hope someone tries this and reports back. It was a miracle
> > for me.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --- Dan Savage <mannasav@...> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Thanks Dominick for the information on Levator's Syndrome. I
> > > don't know if
> > > > > mine was neurological but I would have never guessed that. Prior
> > > to taking
> > > > > glyconutrients I had pretty bad pain in my prostate following
> > > erections
> > > > > and/or orgasm. I asked a Doctor about it once and he didn't know
> > > what it
> > > > > could be and didn't even refer me to a Urologist. Since
> > starting the
> > > > > glyconutrients the frequency and duration has been greatly
> > > diminished. Dr.
> > > > > Ben Carson, Chief Neurosurgeon and Professor of Oncology at
> > Johns
> > > Hopkins
> > > > > started urinating very frequently and thought he had
> > Prostiatitis,
> > > but later
> > > > > found a serious form of Prostate Cancer growing in him. He
> > > attributes the
> > > > > glyconutrients I am telling you about to help in saving his
> > life.
> > > > > Glcybiology, is the subject of several recent Nobel Prizes in
> > medicine
> > > > > related to cell to cell communication, starting in 1996 with
> > > Guntert Blobel's
> > > > > discovery (see Harper's Biochemistry Ch. 56). I would be
> > happy to
> > > put you in
> > > > > touch with Doctor's
> > > > > that utilize and recommend them. But again, thanks for the
> > > information on
> > > > > Levator's Syndrome, if I spelled that right.
> > > > >
> > > > > Dan
> > > > >
> > > > > steeleglas@... wrote:
> > > > > Since Dr. Bard uses his Color/Power Doppler Ultrasound
> > > to measure
> > > > > vascularity (cancer cells need a large blood supply) I doubt
> > very
> > > much that
> > > > > he could locate and diagnose prostititis. Keep in mind that
> > > prostititis can
> > > > > be from bacteria or from an inflammation.
> > > > > Ed Brenner
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Re: [NTPC Yahoo Group] Re: Prostate Pain
> > > > > Posted by: "dominick c.vecchio" elvismlv@... p3sheets
> > > > > Date: Fri Dec 29, 2006 12:10 pm ((PST))
> > > > >
> > > > > ED, as I know it, is related to blood flow to the penis.
> > > > > This dosent mean if blood flow is corrected that you will
> > cure ED.
> > > If you
> > > > > have no libido, the ED will survive.
> > > > > If you have good libido and little blood flow no erection
> > will occur.
> > > > > I dont believe there is a trigger in the prostate.
> > > > > I believe once the prostate is activated and there is
> > ejaculation
> > > along with
> > > > > an orgasm the prostate can go into pain.I believe this to be
> > > neurological not
> > > > > vascular. It may be Levators syndrome which no one talks about.
> > > The pain is
> > > > > bad and can last several hours. It will go away pretty
> > quickly if
> > > you take
> > > > > 1000mg of aspirin(2 extra strength aspirins) following pain
> > onset.
> > > This can
> > > > > occur in a young man of twenty or sixty.
> > > > > If the NVB is messed with no erection will occur either. The
> > neuro
> > > vascular
> > > > > bundle wraps to either side of the prostate and is often removed
> > > in prostate
> > > > > surgery called radical prostatectomy.
> > > > > If you do a 3-D power color doppler at Dr Bards office he will
> > > show you your
> > > > > Prostatitis and you can view it on a CD, he'll give you, at home
> > > on your PC.
> > > > > You can then treat and follow your progreess with subsequent
> > > scans. He takes
> > > > > Medicare insurance.
> > > > > Dominick
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
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There are a lot more than 4 types.  They all have different levels of
absorbability.  Google mag oxide and some sites say it is about 10-20%
absorbable.  Just trying to save you some time from my research.

There is a powdered mag mixture that is great.  It is called "Natural Calm" and
you pour hot water on it and drink it as a hot tea.  The much cheaper glycinate
is just as good.

"Magnesium Oxide is nearly perfectly not absorbable. It is the cheapest form of
magnesium and such is a cruel hoax by the manufacturer. Go to any chemistry
text and you will see how ridiculous the claim that it "splits the magnesium
from the oxygen when consumed with water" is."

http://askwaltstollmd.com/archives/mg/65394.html

http://www.google.com/search?num=100&hl=en&lr=&safe=off&client=safari&rls=en&q=m\
agnesium+glycinate+absorbable&btnG=Search




--- tinycamera1 <DavidCohen99@...> wrote:

> Wouldn't any magnesium supplement work?  There are about 4 types.
>
> David
>
>
> --- In natural_prostate_treatments@yahoogroups.com, Paul <kennio@...>
> wrote:
> >
> > Since that sounds like it may be a nutritional thing like mine was.
>  I strongly
> > suggest you try a cheap bottle of magnesium Glycinate and see if
> your pain
> > clears up like mine did...doesn't matter what brand you buy... and
> it's not a
> > drug so give it time.  Even eating a few ounce of pumpkin seeds a
> day will give
> > you the magnesium you may be lacking.
> >
> > I hope someone tries this and reports back.  It was a miracle for me.
> >
> >
> > --- Dan Savage <mannasav@...> wrote:
> >
> > > Thanks Dominick for the information on Levator's Syndrome.  I
> don't know if
> > > mine was neurological but I would have never guessed that.  Prior
> to taking
> > > glyconutrients I had pretty bad pain in my prostate following
> erections
> > > and/or orgasm.  I asked a Doctor about it once and he didn't know
> what it
> > > could be and didn't even refer me to a Urologist.   Since starting the
> > > glyconutrients the frequency and duration has been greatly
> diminished.  Dr.
> > > Ben Carson, Chief  Neurosurgeon and Professor of Oncology at Johns
> Hopkins
> > > started urinating very frequently and thought he had Prostiatitis,
> but later
> > > found a serious form of Prostate Cancer growing in him.  He
> attributes the
> > > glyconutrients I am telling you about to help in saving his life.
> > > Glcybiology, is the subject of several recent Nobel Prizes in medicine
> > > related to cell to cell communication, starting in 1996 with
> Guntert Blobel's
> > > discovery (see Harper's Biochemistry Ch. 56).  I would be happy to
> put you in
> > > touch with Doctor's
> > >  that utilize and recommend them.  But again, thanks for the
> information on
> > > Levator's Syndrome, if I spelled that right.
> > >
> > >   Dan
> > >
> > > steeleglas@... wrote:
> > >           Since Dr. Bard uses his Color/Power Doppler Ultrasound
> to measure
> > > vascularity (cancer cells need a large blood supply) I doubt very
> much that
> > > he could locate and diagnose prostititis. Keep in mind that
> prostititis can
> > > be from bacteria or from an inflammation.
> > > Ed Brenner
> > >
> > >
> > > Re: [NTPC Yahoo Group] Re: Prostate Pain
> > >     Posted by: "dominick c.vecchio" elvismlv@... p3sheets
> > >     Date: Fri Dec 29, 2006 12:10 pm ((PST))
> > >
> > > ED, as I know it, is related to blood flow to the penis.
> > > This dosent mean if blood flow is corrected that you will cure ED.
> If you
> > > have no libido, the ED will survive.
> > > If you have good libido and little blood flow no erection will occur.
> > > I dont believe there is a trigger in the prostate.
> > > I believe once the prostate is activated and there is ejaculation
> along with
> > > an orgasm the prostate can go into pain.I believe this to be
> neurological not
> > > vascular. It may be Levators syndrome which no one talks about.
> The pain is
> > > bad and can last several hours. It will go away pretty quickly if
> you take
> > > 1000mg of aspirin(2 extra strength aspirins) following pain onset.
> This can
> > > occur in a young man of twenty or sixty.
> > > If the NVB is messed with no erection will occur either. The neuro
> vascular
> > > bundle wraps to either side of the prostate and is often removed
> in prostate
> > > surgery called radical prostatectomy.
> > > If you do a 3-D power color doppler at Dr Bards office he will
> show you your
> > > Prostatitis and you can view it on a CD, he'll give you, at home
> on your PC.
> > > You can then treat and follow your progreess with subsequent
> scans. He takes
> > > Medicare insurance.
> > > Dominick
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >  __________________________________________________
> > > Do You Yahoo!?
> > > Tired of spam?  Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around
> > > http://mail.yahoo.com
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Wouldn't any magnesium supplement work?  There are about 4 types.

David


--- In natural_prostate_treatments@yahoogroups.com, Paul <kennio@...>
wrote:
>
> Since that sounds like it may be a nutritional thing like mine was.
  I strongly
> suggest you try a cheap bottle of magnesium Glycinate and see if
your pain
> clears up like mine did...doesn't matter what brand you buy... and
it's not a
> drug so give it time.  Even eating a few ounce of pumpkin seeds a
day will give
> you the magnesium you may be lacking.
>
> I hope someone tries this and reports back.  It was a miracle for me.
>
>
> --- Dan Savage <mannasav@...> wrote:
>
> > Thanks Dominick for the information on Levator's Syndrome.  I
don't know if
> > mine was neurological but I would have never guessed that.  Prior
to taking
> > glyconutrients I had pretty bad pain in my prostate following
erections
> > and/or orgasm.  I asked a Doctor about it once and he didn't know
what it
> > could be and didn't even refer me to a Urologist.   Since starting the
> > glyconutrients the frequency and duration has been greatly
diminished.  Dr.
> > Ben Carson, Chief  Neurosurgeon and Professor of Oncology at Johns
Hopkins
> > started urinating very frequently and thought he had Prostiatitis,
but later
> > found a serious form of Prostate Cancer growing in him.  He
attributes the
> > glyconutrients I am telling you about to help in saving his life.
> > Glcybiology, is the subject of several recent Nobel Prizes in medicine
> > related to cell to cell communication, starting in 1996 with
Guntert Blobel's
> > discovery (see Harper's Biochemistry Ch. 56).  I would be happy to
put you in
> > touch with Doctor's
> >  that utilize and recommend them.  But again, thanks for the
information on
> > Levator's Syndrome, if I spelled that right.
> >
> >   Dan
> >
> > steeleglas@... wrote:
> >           Since Dr. Bard uses his Color/Power Doppler Ultrasound
to measure
> > vascularity (cancer cells need a large blood supply) I doubt very
much that
> > he could locate and diagnose prostititis. Keep in mind that
prostititis can
> > be from bacteria or from an inflammation.
> > Ed Brenner
> >
> >
> > Re: [NTPC Yahoo Group] Re: Prostate Pain
> >     Posted by: "dominick c.vecchio" elvismlv@... p3sheets
> >     Date: Fri Dec 29, 2006 12:10 pm ((PST))
> >
> > ED, as I know it, is related to blood flow to the penis.
> > This dosent mean if blood flow is corrected that you will cure ED.
If you
> > have no libido, the ED will survive.
> > If you have good libido and little blood flow no erection will occur.
> > I dont believe there is a trigger in the prostate.
> > I believe once the prostate is activated and there is ejaculation
along with
> > an orgasm the prostate can go into pain.I believe this to be
neurological not
> > vascular. It may be Levators syndrome which no one talks about.
The pain is
> > bad and can last several hours. It will go away pretty quickly if
you take
> > 1000mg of aspirin(2 extra strength aspirins) following pain onset.
This can
> > occur in a young man of twenty or sixty.
> > If the NVB is messed with no erection will occur either. The neuro
vascular
> > bundle wraps to either side of the prostate and is often removed
in prostate
> > surgery called radical prostatectomy.
> > If you do a 3-D power color doppler at Dr Bards office he will
show you your
> > Prostatitis and you can view it on a CD, he'll give you, at home
on your PC.
> > You can then treat and follow your progreess with subsequent
scans. He takes
> > Medicare insurance.
> > Dominick
> >
> >
> >
> >  __________________________________________________
> > Do You Yahoo!?
> > Tired of spam?  Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around
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>
>
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From: Dan Savage

To: natural_prostate_treatments@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Saturday, December 30, 2006 11:22 AM

Subject: Re: [NTPC Yahoo Group] Prostititis and CPDUS (was prostate pain)

Thanks Dominick for the information on Levator's Syndrome.  I don't know if mine was neurological but I would have never guessed that.  Prior to taking glyconutrients I had pretty bad pain in my prostate following erections and/or orgasm.  I asked a Doctor about it once and he didn't know what it could be and didn't even refer me to a Urologist.   Since starting the glyconutrients the frequency and duration has been greatly diminished.  Dr. Ben Carson, Chief  Neurosurgeon and Professor of Oncology at Johns Hopkins started urinating very frequently and thought he had Prostiatitis, but later found a serious form of Prostate Cancer growing in him.  He attributes the glyconutrients I am telling you about to help in saving his life.  Glcybiology, is the subject of several recent Nobel Prizes in medicine related to cell to cell communication, starting in 1996 with Guntert Blobel's discovery (see Harper's Biochemistry Ch. 56).  I would be happy to put you in touch with Doctor's that utilize and recommend them.  But again, thanks for the information on Levator's Syndrome, if I spelled that right.

 

Dan

steeleglas@aol.com wrote:

Since Dr. Bard uses his Color/Power Doppler Ultrasound to measure vascularity (cancer cells need a large blood supply) I doubt very much that he could locate and diagnose prostititis. Keep in mind that prostititis can be from bacteria or from an inflammation.
Ed Brenner


Re: [NTPC Yahoo Group] Re: Prostate Pain
    Posted by: "dominick c.vecchio" elvismlv@usadatanet.net p3sheets
    Date: Fri Dec 29, 2006 12:10 pm ((PST))

ED, as I know it, is related to blood flow to the penis.
This dosent mean if blood flow is corrected that you will cure ED. If you have no libido, the ED will survive.
If you have good libido and little blood flow no erection will occur.
I dont believe there is a trigger in the prostate.
I believe once the prostate is activated and there is ejaculation along with an orgasm the prostate can go into pain.I believe this to be neurological not vascular. It may be Levators syndrome which no one talks about. The pain is bad and can last several hours. It will go away pretty quickly if you take 1000mg of aspirin(2 extra strength aspirins) following pain onset. This can occur in a young man of twenty or sixty.
If the NVB is messed with no erection will occur either. The neuro vascular bundle wraps to either side of the prostate and is often removed in prostate surgery called radical prostatectomy.
If you do a 3-D power color doppler at Dr Bards office he will show you your Prostatitis and you can view it on a CD, he'll give you, at home on your PC. You can then treat and follow your progreess with subsequent scans. He takes Medicare insurance.
Dominick

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>From: dominick c.vecchio

To: natural_prostate_treatments@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Saturday, December 30, 2006 1:15 PM

Subject: Re: [NTPC Yahoo Group] Prostititis and CPDUS (was prostate pain)

I have an article on it from years ago.

I never researched it fearing it would require surgery and being young and foolish I didnt pursue it.

What I remember is all I can refer to so I am winging it.

Apparently in some people there is a confluence of nerve endings in the rectal area that can go into a spastic state under certain conditions of aggravation or activity.

One of those is ejaculation and coincident orgasm. This sensation overloads the network and can result in extreme pain in the rectal area.

This can happen everytime you have a sexual encounter which gets completed normally,that is with ejaculation and orgasm.

Also caffiene can trip it or certain foods.

You can control the pain by sitting on a hard ,cold surface bringing your knees into your chest  as hard as you can. This cuts off circulation to your lower area,legs,rectum,butt etc and the pain will abate in about 5 to ten minutes as your butt goes numb.

I found out by accident that 3 regular aspirin will knock it out in about 10 minutes without a doubt.

Strangely those 3 aspirins will reverse a murderous leg cramp in ten minutes.

The other treatment for Levators syndrome is electric shock therapy.

When the common street jargon or slang speaks of a pain in the ass( not the usual worries in life) could be a physical event in your body.

I dont get them since I went on ADT and shrank my prostate to 20 grams.

Also, my libido being low prevents me from doing the thing that would cause the problem.

Now my libido is returning as my Testosterone returns but I have very little prostatic fluid as my prostate is flat. The production of fluid is last to come back and everyone should know without this fluid the sexual experience will never be the same.

This bull about removal or radiation of the prostate allowing normal sex is baloney.

I didnt know this until it happened to me.

Its like separate but equal. It doesnt exist on this planet at least.

In order to have normal sex you must have a normal functioning prostate. Its the absolute prerequisite. If any doctor tells you something else he's blowing smoke up you know where. DRY ORGASM IS NOT EQUAL TO NORMAL SEXUAL ACTIVITY. JUST AS AN ERECTION SUITABLE FOR VAGINAL PENETRATION IS BULL. Doctors use these arguments to rationalize interventions to supposedly arrest PCa and mess you up in other areas.The nerve sparing technique is also bull. Seed implant is also speculative along with all forms of radiation.You will not have a prostate gland either way so dont believe the bull.

Dominick

 

 

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Since that sounds like it may be a nutritional thing like mine was.  I strongly
suggest you try a cheap bottle of magnesium Glycinate and see if your pain
clears up like mine did...doesn't matter what brand you buy... and it's not a
drug so give it time.  Even eating a few ounce of pumpkin seeds a day will give
you the magnesium you may be lacking.

I hope someone tries this and reports back.  It was a miracle for me.


--- Dan Savage <mannasav@...> wrote:

> Thanks Dominick for the information on Levator's Syndrome.  I don't know if
> mine was neurological but I would have never guessed that.  Prior to taking
> glyconutrients I had pretty bad pain in my prostate following erections
> and/or orgasm.  I asked a Doctor about it once and he didn't know what it
> could be and didn't even refer me to a Urologist.   Since starting the
> glyconutrients the frequency and duration has been greatly diminished.  Dr.
> Ben Carson, Chief  Neurosurgeon and Professor of Oncology at Johns Hopkins
> started urinating very frequently and thought he had Prostiatitis, but later
> found a serious form of Prostate Cancer growing in him.  He attributes the
> glyconutrients I am telling you about to help in saving his life.
> Glcybiology, is the subject of several recent Nobel Prizes in medicine
> related to cell to cell communication, starting in 1996 with Guntert Blobel's
> discovery (see Harper's Biochemistry Ch. 56).  I would be happy to put you in
> touch with Doctor's
>  that utilize and recommend them.  But again, thanks for the information on
> Levator's Syndrome, if I spelled that right.
>
>   Dan
>
> steeleglas@... wrote:
>           Since Dr. Bard uses his Color/Power Doppler Ultrasound to measure
> vascularity (cancer cells need a large blood supply) I doubt very much that
> he could locate and diagnose prostititis. Keep in mind that prostititis can
> be from bacteria or from an inflammation.
> Ed Brenner
>
>
> Re: [NTPC Yahoo Group] Re: Prostate Pain
>     Posted by: "dominick c.vecchio" elvismlv@... p3sheets
>     Date: Fri Dec 29, 2006 12:10 pm ((PST))
>
> ED, as I know it, is related to blood flow to the penis.
> This dosent mean if blood flow is corrected that you will cure ED. If you
> have no libido, the ED will survive.
> If you have good libido and little blood flow no erection will occur.
> I dont believe there is a trigger in the prostate.
> I believe once the prostate is activated and there is ejaculation along with
> an orgasm the prostate can go into pain.I believe this to be neurological not
> vascular. It may be Levators syndrome which no one talks about. The pain is
> bad and can last several hours. It will go away pretty quickly if you take
> 1000mg of aspirin(2 extra strength aspirins) following pain onset. This can
> occur in a young man of twenty or sixty.
> If the NVB is messed with no erection will occur either. The neuro vascular
> bundle wraps to either side of the prostate and is often removed in prostate
> surgery called radical prostatectomy.
> If you do a 3-D power color doppler at Dr Bards office he will show you your
> Prostatitis and you can view it on a CD, he'll give you, at home on your PC.
> You can then treat and follow your progreess with subsequent scans. He takes
> Medicare insurance.
> Dominick
>
>
>
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Coccydynia/Levator Syndrome, A Therapeutic Test

Fred A. Marx, Monroe Louisiana, USA

Techniques In Coloproctology Vol.4 - No.1 - 1996

UCP News - Official Journal of UCP Club

The Italian Association of Coloproctology Units

Copied from: http://www.csgen.it/medicina/962UCP/marx.htm

ABSTRACT

Coccydynia/Levator Syndrome is a more common cause of rectal pain than realized and the diagnosis often missed. A therapeutic test for diagnosis and treatment of this condition is presented.

INTRODUCTION

Coccydinia/Levator Syndrome, is a common, frequently missed, cause of rectal pain. The complaint is one of a vague ache high in the rectum, varying from acute to chronic, and may radiate to suprapubic area, perineum, buttocks and legs (1), thus mimicking back, pelvic and urologic disease. It is tempting to suggest that, in the vast majority of instances, it is due to prolonged sitting on a soft seat with pressure applied directly to the coccyx.

The diagnosis requires a high index of suspicion and should be entertained whenever rectal pain is not associated with positive physical findings. Detailed history directed toward seating habits will lead to the suspicion.

A therapeutic test often provides proof of the diagnosis as well as relief from pain especially when coupled with instructions to avoid sitting with pressure on the coccyx. This test consists of the injection of a local anesthetic agent mixed with a depository steroid. If the complaint is present before the injection and absent within a few minutes afterwards, the diagnosis of coccydynia is confirmed.

TECHNIQUE

A mixture is prepared of 4ml 1% lidocaine, 4ml 0.5% bupivacaine and 100 mg prednisone in a 10ml syringe with a 23 ga, 1 in needle.

The patient is placed in the right lateral position and the index finger of the physician's left hand is inserted into the rectum and advanced to the level of the sacrococcygeal junction. Between the internal finger and external thumb the configuration of the coccyx is easily determined and the rectal finger monitors the procedure.

The needle is inserted over the sacrococccygeal junction which is entered if possible and injected with 1-2ml of the suspesion. Then the needle is "walked around" the edge of the entire coccyx, injecting small amounts of the mixture into the pericoccygeal soft tissue as it progresses. The area is massaged from within and without. Injection is also applied to spastic Levators when present.

Within a period of minutes evaluation by the patient is requested. Coccydynia/Levator syndrome is relieved right away. Failure to gain relief demands further investigation.

This test is inexpensive, reliable, minimally painful, without complications and should be performed when a vague rectal pain is not explained by physical findings.

REFERENCES

1. Beck DE, Wexner SD. Fundamentals of Anorectal Surgery. 1992; 218-20.

Correspondance: Fred A. Marx M.D.

417 Wood Street

Monroe, Louisiana 71201

U.S.A.

----- Original Message -----

From: Dan Savage

To: natural_prostate_treatments@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Saturday, December 30, 2006 11:22 AM

Subject: Re: [NTPC Yahoo Group] Prostititis and CPDUS (was prostate pain)

Thanks Dominick for the information on Levator's Syndrome.  I don't know if mine was neurological but I would have never guessed that.  Prior to taking glyconutrients I had pretty bad pain in my prostate following erections and/or orgasm.  I asked a Doctor about it once and he didn't know what it could be and didn't even refer me to a Urologist.   Since starting the glyconutrients the frequency and duration has been greatly diminished.  Dr. Ben Carson, Chief  Neurosurgeon and Professor of Oncology at Johns Hopkins started urinating very frequently and thought he had Prostiatitis, but later found a serious form of Prostate Cancer growing in him.  He attributes the glyconutrients I am telling you about to help in saving his life.  Glcybiology, is the subject of several recent Nobel Prizes in medicine related to cell to cell communication, starting in 1996 with Guntert Blobel's discovery (see Harper's Biochemistry Ch. 56).  I would be happy to put you in touch with Doctor's that utilize and recommend them.  But again, thanks for the information on Levator's Syndrome, if I spelled that right.

 

Dan

steeleglas@aol.com wrote:

Since Dr. Bard uses his Color/Power Doppler Ultrasound to measure vascularity (cancer cells need a large blood supply) I doubt very much that he could locate and diagnose prostititis. Keep in mind that prostititis can be from bacteria or from an inflammation.
Ed Brenner


Re: [NTPC Yahoo Group] Re: Prostate Pain
    Posted by: "dominick c.vecchio" elvismlv@usadatanet.net p3sheets
    Date: Fri Dec 29, 2006 12:10 pm ((PST))

ED, as I know it, is related to blood flow to the penis.
This dosent mean if blood flow is corrected that you will cure ED. If you have no libido, the ED will survive.
If you have good libido and little blood flow no erection will occur.
I dont believe there is a trigger in the prostate.
I believe once the prostate is activated and there is ejaculation along with an orgasm the prostate can go into pain.I believe this to be neurological not vascular. It may be Levators syndrome which no one talks about. The pain is bad and can last several hours. It will go away pretty quickly if you take 1000mg of aspirin(2 extra strength aspirins) following pain onset. This can occur in a young man of twenty or sixty.
If the NVB is messed with no erection will occur either. The neuro vascular bundle wraps to either side of the prostate and is often removed in prostate surgery called radical prostatectomy.
If you do a 3-D power color doppler at Dr Bards office he will show you your Prostatitis and you can view it on a CD, he'll give you, at home on your PC. You can then treat and follow your progreess with subsequent scans. He takes Medicare insurance.
Dominick

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----- Original Message -----

From: Nicola

To: natural_prostate_treatments@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Friday, December 29, 2006 5:18 PM

Subject: [NTPC Yahoo Group] Re: Questionnaire Request

Hi All,

How was everyones Christmas? Does anyone have any plans for the New
Year? My Christmas was just me, my fiance, and my two cats . . . just
how I like it :0)

All the Best,

Nicola

--- In natural_prostate_treatments@yahoogroups.com, "Nicola"
<nicnac234@...> wrote:
>
> Hello Everyone,
>
> I hope this finds you well. This looks like a very supportive group
> and it is a pleasure to be here.
>
> I am in the process of completing a PhD on quality of life issues in
> breast and prostate cancer. I am doing this due to my own personal
> experience of having cancer in my family.
>
> If anyone would be willing to spare some time to complete two
> questionnaires for my studies, I would really appreciate it. The
> questionnaires are completely anonymous and no names need to be
provided.
>
> If you are interested or have any questions, please contact me at:
>
> nicnac234@...
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> Thank you in advance for your help.
>
> Best Wishes,
>
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----- Original Message -----

From: xrougesquadronxx

To: natural_prostate_treatments@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Friday, December 29, 2006 8:52 PM

Subject: [NTPC Yahoo Group] [NTPC Yahoo Group] Re: Prostate Pain

Thank you Dominick. This is really insightful stuff. Who is Dr Bard? I
am in the NY area. Ive never heard of this procedure. Can you give
me his contact information?

--- In natural_prostate_treatments@yahoogroups.com, "dominick
c.vecchio" <elvismlv@...> wrote:
>
> ED, as I know it, is related to blood flow to the penis.
> This dosent mean if blood flow is corrected that you will cure ED. If
you have no libido, the ED will survive.
> If you have good libido and little blood flow no erection will occur.
> I dont believe there is a trigger in the prostate.
> I believe once the prostate is activated and there is ejaculation along
with an orgasm the prostate can go into pain.I believe this to be
neurological not vascular. It may be Levators syndrome which no one
talks about. The pain is bad and can last several hours. It will go away
pretty quickly if you take 1000mg of aspirin(2 extra strength aspirins)
following pain onset. This can occur in a young man of twenty or sixty.
> If the NVB is messed with no erection will occur either. The neuro
vascular bundle wraps to either side of the prostate and is often
removed in prostate surgery called radical prostatectomy.
> If you do a 3-D power color doppler at Dr Bards office he will show
you your Prostatitis and you can view it on a CD, he'll give you, at
home on your PC. You can then treat and follow your progreess with
subsequent scans. He takes Medicare insurance.
> Dominick
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: xrougesquadronxx
> To: natural_prostate_treatments@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Friday, December 29, 2006 7:47 AM
> Subject: [NTPC Yahoo Group] [NTPC Yahoo Group] Re: Prostate
Pain
>
>
> Ive done all the prostate infection tests and nothing came back
> positive. However, I know that prostatitis can still exisit in the
absence
> of an infection. I believe that it is prostatitis because I had this in
the
> past. I also deal with ED but my doc doesnt believe this is tied into
> prostatits. Has anyone here have ED because of prostatits? Or is
this
> something else all together?
>
> --- In natural_prostate_treatments@yahoogroups.com, "Vincent
> Jerome" <jambro777@> wrote:
> >
> > About 10-15 years ago I was diagnosed with Prostatitis after my
> urologist
> > performed a prostatic massage which caused a semenal
discharge.
> The
> > urologist viewed the discharge under a microscope that revealed
> what he
> > termed as a 'white cell' infection, or chronic prostatitis.
> >
> > A friend of mine experienced 'Acute' prostatitis and had the same
> symtoms
> > that you described which was more severe than my situation.
Hope
> this helps.
> >
> > Vinny
> >
> >
> > >From: "xrougesquadronxx" <gqxtk3333@>
> > >Reply-To: natural_prostate_treatments@yahoogroups.com
> > >To: natural_prostate_treatments@yahoogroups.com
> > >Subject: [NTPC Yahoo Group] Re: Prostate Pain
> > >Date: Thu, 28 Dec 2006 03:35:53 -0000
> > >
> > >Based on this, has any doctors diagnosed prostatitis? What
does
> all
> > >this really mean?
> > >
> > >--- In natural_prostate_treatments@yahoogroups.com, "dominick
> > >c.vecchio" <elvismlv@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > The only pain I feel is right square in the can and presents
like a
> > >steady soreness.
> > > > This is prolonged bouts of sitting down.
> > > > My prostate is flat.
> > > > Another time is in the tub. Just a soreness is all.
> > > > Dominick
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: alfsuzy
> > > > To: natural_prostate_treatments@yahoogroups.com
> > > > Sent: Monday, December 25, 2006 12:30 PM
> > > > Subject: [NTPC Yahoo Group] Re: Prostate Pain
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > especially when sitting with knees crossed? if this is the pain
> that
> > > > is not there somedays I also would like to know. a-s
> > > >
> > > > --- In
> >
>
>natural_prostate_treatments@yahoogroups.com, "xrougesquadronxx"
> > > > <gqxtk3333@> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Hey has anyone here ever experienced prostatitis and/or
> prostate
> > >pain
> > > > > that causes the groin area to hurt? For some reason it hurts
> when I
> > > > sit for
> > > > > a prolonged period of time in the right side of my groin only.
It
> > > > also hurts
> > > > > when I walk. Its almost like an inflammed feeling. I am not
> sure
> > > > if this is
> > > > > a symptom of prostatitis. Has anyone ever had this before?
> Would
> > > > it be
> > > > > safe to say that this is some form of prostatitis? Please
> advise.
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
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Since Dr. Bard uses his Color/Power Doppler Ultrasound to measure vascularity (cancer cells need a large blood supply) I doubt very much that he could locate and diagnose prostititis. Keep in mind that prostititis can be from bacteria or from an inflammation.
Ed Brenner


Re: [NTPC Yahoo Group] Re: Prostate Pain
    Posted by: "dominick c.vecchio" elvismlv@usadatanet.net p3sheets
    Date: Fri Dec 29, 2006 12:10 pm ((PST))

ED, as I know it, is related to blood flow to the penis.
This dosent mean if blood flow is corrected that you will cure ED. If you have no libido, the ED will survive.
If you have good libido and little blood flow no erection will occur.
I dont believe there is a trigger in the prostate.
I believe once the prostate is activated and there is ejaculation along with an orgasm the prostate can go into pain.I believe this to be neurological not vascular. It may be Levators syndrome which no one talks about. The pain is bad and can last several hours. It will go away pretty quickly if you take 1000mg of aspirin(2 extra strength aspirins) following pain onset. This can occur in a young man of twenty or sixty.
If the NVB is messed with no erection will occur either. The neuro vascular bundle wraps to either side of the prostate and is often removed in prostate surgery called radical prostatectomy.
If you do a 3-D power color doppler at Dr Bards office he will show you your Prostatitis and you can view it on a CD, he'll give you, at home on your PC. You can then treat and follow your progreess with subsequent scans. He takes Medicare insurance.
Dominick

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Terry
Thank you for an excellent piece which puts the whole question of alternative versus conventional treatment into a reasonable perspective.
Since the cause of PCa is unknown and there are NO truly scientific double blind studies that compare treatments (nor do I think they are possible in this case) it should be clear that any given treatment for any given man may be reasonable.
Each man must make his own decision and IMHO it is arrogant of other men to automatically disparage the option of alternative treatment.
I suggest that you resend your message every time someone derides the possibility of alternative treatment.
May the new year bring good health, peace and happiness for all.
Ed Brenner

Date:    Sat, 30 Dec 2006 10:29:24 +1100
From:    Terry Herbert <ghenesh_49@OPTUSNET.COM.AU>
Subject: True or false?

Whenever the subject of alternative treatment options is raised, there are
stern warnings about people taking advantage of the ill, references are made
to Quackwatch sites, we are told to believe nothing that isn't supported by
sound scientific studies - double blind prospective studies with the results
published in recognized journals.



In their advertising blurb for a new publication, the wise men at Johns
Hopkins pose the following questions:



True or false? The underlying cause of prostate cancer is unknown.

True or false? Prostate cancer has a stronger hereditary component than
breast and colon cancers.

True or false? 80% of diagnosed prostate cancers are confined to the gland
or to the immediate surrounding area.

True or false? Lifestyle choices can modify the effects of the genetic cards
you are dealt at birth.

True or false? Eating cooked tomato products like tomato paste, spaghetti
sauce, and ketchup can reduce your prostate cancer risk by one third.

True or false? Eating lots of vegetables may lower the risk of prostate
cancer.

True or false? Deaths from prostate cancer are highest in the Northwest part
of the U.S. and lowest in the Southwest.

True or false? The most reliable way to detect prostate cancer in its early
stages is to combine digital rectal exams with PSA testing.

True or false? Doctors believe that the overall PSA level may be less
important than the rate at which the PSA level rises.

True or false? Chronic inflammation in the prostate may promote the
development of prostate cancer.

True or false? Statin drugs like Lipitor and Zocor can cut the risk of
developing advanced prostate cancer in half.



In advertising another publication Seven Keys To Treating Prostate Cancer
the blurb says in part:



<snip> Avoiding prostate cancer ... can be mostly a matter of information
and education. <snip>



<snip> Understanding your risk of developing prostate cancer, and knowing
your prevention .. options, are all keys to help you improve your chances of
avoiding the disease which has incapacitated, inconvenienced, and even
killed a great many men in all age groups. It cannot be expressed too
strongly: knowledge is the best way to avoid prostate cancer ...  <snip>



<snip> Seven Keys to Treating Prostate Cancer ... offers invaluable advice
on how to prevent prostate cancer. <snip>



Given that all the True/False answers are said to be True and that the
underlying cause of prostate cancer is therefore unknown, it seems odd that
claims can be made that we can avoid or prevent prostate cancer. A quick
read through the Seven Keys book doesn't highlight anything major in the way
of news and it certainly does not seem to fulfil the three promises outlined
above. What it does say in part, which made me smile, was <snip> ..lack of
scientific evidence does not necessarily mean lack of benefit...  <snip>
Isn't that what the purveyors of alternative medicines say too?



Hope you all have a great New Year and may all your PSAs be low.



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RDA for magnesium is 400mg.  For a while I was taking 1200mg or so for muscle
difficulties and workout recovery issues I was having.   It was first given to
me by my chiropractor.  He gave me Magnesium Glycinate capsules.  I had
immediate relief with my neuromuscular issues and my workout recovery time,
dehydration... just a load of stuff that was going on.   Now that I have
brought my mag levels up (according to red blood cell analysis) I take
400-650mg a day for maintenance.

You can find magnesium glycinate in different brands.  If you buy pills be sure
to chew them since magnesium is very hard to absorb.  Do not take 400mg all at
once to start.... it will give you diarrhea.  You have to build up the dose.
Do not give up and don't let anyone at GNC talk you into buying mag oxide or
chelated stuff... some of that stuff is like 10% absorbable.  Do some research.

My prostate pain would come on usually after orgasm but not always, I remember
having it when I was a teenager.  For the last ten years or so I could not
ejaculate and then try to sleep... period.  The ache and the feeling of a need
to urinate was something that took hours to calm down; this while I in my 30's.


I suspected my prostate was better almost immediately but didn't know why.  It
took me a couple of months to build up the nerve to ejaculate just before
bedtime (the pain was THAT bad especially when I was so tired)  Just to make
sure this was not psychological somehow I did the ultimate test, I made sure i
was very tired and had important stuff to do the next morning at work.  If I
had had the pain I would have gotten 3-4 hours sleep tops.  Even under that
stress... no pain.

I just hope it is as simple for some of you guys.

Here are some studies you should glance at just to so you realize there just
maybe something to what I am saying.

"Magnesium concentrations in seminal plasma were significantly decreased in
chronic prostatitis patients as compared to other groups or normozoospermic
patients (p<0.001). We propose therefore magnesium as a marker of prostatitis."

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=PubMed&list_uids=1\
4995071&dopt=Abstract

BTW, I was always pretty quick on the draw, if you know what I mean.  I thought
age had helped me out in that regard... but maybe not.  It might be the mag.

"Decreased levels of magnesium gives rise to vasoconstriction from increased
thromboxane level, increased endothelial intracellular Ca2+, and decreased
nitric oxide. This may lead to premature emission and ejaculation processes.
Magnesium is probably involved in semen transport. More research into the role
of magnesium in the male physiology of reproductive tract, especially its
association with premature ejaculation, is advocated."

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=PubMed&list_uids=1\
1204619&dopt=Abstract

"Premature Ejaculation is significantly related with a lower level of seminal
plasma magnesium. The pathological physiology of this relationship requires
more investigation"

http://www.blackwell-synergy.com/doi/abs/10.1111/j.1464-410X.2006.06320.x?cookie\
Set=1&journalCode=bju

--- LAWRENCE JOHNSON <lkjohnso@...> wrote:

> Kennio,
> What type of Magnesium and what is considered a high dose?
> Thanks,
> Larry J
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Kennio <kennio@...>
> Date: Friday, December 29, 2006 9:23 am
> Subject: [NTPC  Yahoo Group] Re: Prostate Pain
>
> > I experienced prostate pain and a fullness feeling quite
> > frequently since I was 17 or so.  Flash
> > forward 25 years and because of an unrelated problem I began to
> > take a magnesium
> > supplement.  I have not had not one moment of prostate pain in two
> > years.  It solved so many
> > seemingly unrelated issues that I now know I had been magnesium
> > deficient for years.
> >
> > I had taken Calcium and magnesium or a multi with magnesium for
> > years but when I took
> > high dose magnesium alone it was like magic for several of my
> > issues.  Might be worth a try
> > for you.  BTW, pumpkin seeds are very high in magnesium.
> >
> > --- In natural_prostate_treatments@yahoogroups.com,
> > "xrougesquadronxx"
> > <gqxtk3333@...> wrote:
> > >
> > > Hey has anyone here ever experienced prostatitis and/or prostate
> > pain
> > > that causes the groin area to hurt?  For some reason it hurts
> > when I sit for
> > > a prolonged period of time in the right side of my groin only.
> > It also hurts
> > > when I walk.  Its almost like an inflammed feeling.  I am not
> > sure if this is
> > > a symptom of prostatitis.  Has anyone ever had this before?
> > Would it be
> > > safe to say that this is some form of prostatitis?  Please advise.
> > >
> >
> >
> >
>
>


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Thank you Dominick.  This is really insightful stuff. Who is Dr Bard?  I
am in the NY area.  Ive never heard of this procedure.  Can you give
me his contact information?

--- In natural_prostate_treatments@yahoogroups.com, "dominick
c.vecchio" <elvismlv@...> wrote:
>
> ED, as I know it, is related to blood flow to the penis.
> This dosent mean if blood flow is corrected that you will cure ED. If
you have no libido, the ED will survive.
> If you have good libido and little blood flow no erection will occur.
> I dont believe there is a trigger in the prostate.
> I believe once the prostate is activated and there is ejaculation along
with an orgasm the prostate can go into pain.I believe this to be
neurological not vascular. It may be Levators syndrome which no one
talks about. The pain is bad and can last several hours. It will go away
pretty quickly if you take 1000mg of aspirin(2 extra strength aspirins)
following pain onset. This can occur in a young man of twenty or sixty.
>  If the NVB is messed with no erection will occur either. The neuro
vascular bundle wraps to either side of the prostate and is often
removed in prostate surgery called radical prostatectomy.
> If you do a 3-D power color doppler at Dr Bards office he will show
you your Prostatitis and you can view it on a CD, he'll give you, at
home on your PC. You can then treat and follow your progreess with
subsequent scans. He takes Medicare insurance.
> Dominick
>   ----- Original Message -----
>   From: xrougesquadronxx
>   To: natural_prostate_treatments@yahoogroups.com
>   Sent: Friday, December 29, 2006 7:47 AM
>   Subject: [NTPC Yahoo Group] [NTPC Yahoo Group] Re: Prostate
Pain
>
>
>   Ive done all the prostate infection tests and nothing came back
>   positive. However, I know that prostatitis can still exisit in the
absence
>   of an infection. I believe that it is prostatitis because I had this in
the
>   past. I also deal with ED but my doc doesnt believe this is tied into
>   prostatits. Has anyone here have ED because of prostatits? Or is
this
>   something else all together?
>
>   --- In natural_prostate_treatments@yahoogroups.com, "Vincent
>   Jerome" <jambro777@> wrote:
>   >
>   > About 10-15 years ago I was diagnosed with Prostatitis after my
>   urologist
>   > performed a prostatic massage which caused a semenal
discharge.
>   The
>   > urologist viewed the discharge under a microscope that revealed
>   what he
>   > termed as a 'white cell' infection, or chronic prostatitis.
>   >
>   > A friend of mine experienced 'Acute' prostatitis and had the same
>   symtoms
>   > that you described which was more severe than my situation.
Hope
>   this helps.
>   >
>   > Vinny
>   >
>   >
>   > >From: "xrougesquadronxx" <gqxtk3333@>
>   > >Reply-To: natural_prostate_treatments@yahoogroups.com
>   > >To: natural_prostate_treatments@yahoogroups.com
>   > >Subject: [NTPC Yahoo Group] Re: Prostate Pain
>   > >Date: Thu, 28 Dec 2006 03:35:53 -0000
>   > >
>   > >Based on this, has any doctors diagnosed prostatitis? What
does
>   all
>   > >this really mean?
>   > >
>   > >--- In natural_prostate_treatments@yahoogroups.com, "dominick
>   > >c.vecchio" <elvismlv@> wrote:
>   > > >
>   > > > The only pain I feel is right square in the can and presents
like a
>   > >steady soreness.
>   > > > This is prolonged bouts of sitting down.
>   > > > My prostate is flat.
>   > > > Another time is in the tub. Just a soreness is all.
>   > > > Dominick
>   > > > ----- Original Message -----
>   > > > From: alfsuzy
>   > > > To: natural_prostate_treatments@yahoogroups.com
>   > > > Sent: Monday, December 25, 2006 12:30 PM
>   > > > Subject: [NTPC Yahoo Group] Re: Prostate Pain
>   > > >
>   > > >
>   > > >
>   > > > especially when sitting with knees crossed? if this is the pain
>   that
>   > > > is not there somedays I also would like to know. a-s
>   > > >
>   > > > --- In
>   >
>
>natural_prostate_treatments@yahoogroups.com, "xrougesquadronxx"
>   > > > <gqxtk3333@> wrote:
>   > > > >
>   > > > > Hey has anyone here ever experienced prostatitis and/or
>   prostate
>   > >pain
>   > > > > that causes the groin area to hurt? For some reason it hurts
>   when I
>   > > > sit for
>   > > > > a prolonged period of time in the right side of my groin only.
It
>   > > > also hurts
>   > > > > when I walk. Its almost like an inflammed feeling. I am not
>   sure
>   > > > if this is
>   > > > > a symptom of prostatitis. Has anyone ever had this before?
>   Would
>   > > > it be
>   > > > > safe to say that this is some form of prostatitis? Please
>   advise.
>   > > > >
>   > > >
>   > >
>   > >
>   >
>   >
>
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Hi All,

How was everyones Christmas? Does anyone have any plans for the New
Year? My Christmas was just me, my fiance, and my two cats . . . just
how I like it :0)

All the Best,

Nicola






--- In natural_prostate_treatments@yahoogroups.com, "Nicola"
<nicnac234@...> wrote:
>
> Hello Everyone,
>
> I hope this finds you well. This looks like a very supportive group
> and it is a pleasure to be here.
>
> I am in the process of completing a PhD on quality of life issues in
> breast and prostate cancer. I am doing this due to my own personal
> experience of having cancer in my family.
>
> If anyone would be willing to spare some time to complete two
> questionnaires for my studies, I would really appreciate it. The
> questionnaires are completely anonymous and no names need to be
provided.
>
> If you are interested or have any questions, please contact me at:
>
> nicnac234@...
>
> Thank you in advance for your help.
>
> Best Wishes,
>
> Nicola
>

----- Original Message -----

From: xrougesquadronxx

To: natural_prostate_treatments@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Friday, December 29, 2006 7:47 AM

Subject: [NTPC Yahoo Group] [NTPC Yahoo Group] Re: Prostate Pain

Ive done all the prostate infection tests and nothing came back
positive. However, I know that prostatitis can still exisit in the absence
of an infection. I believe that it is prostatitis because I had this in the
past. I also deal with ED but my doc doesnt believe this is tied into
prostatits. Has anyone here have ED because of prostatits? Or is this
something else all together?

--- In natural_prostate_treatments@yahoogroups.com, "Vincent
Jerome" <jambro777@...> wrote:
>
> About 10-15 years ago I was diagnosed with Prostatitis after my
urologist
> performed a prostatic massage which caused a semenal discharge.
The
> urologist viewed the discharge under a microscope that revealed
what he
> termed as a 'white cell' infection, or chronic prostatitis.
>
> A friend of mine experienced 'Acute' prostatitis and had the same
symtoms
> that you described which was more severe than my situation. Hope
this helps.
>
> Vinny
>
>
> >From: "xrougesquadronxx" <gqxtk3333@...>
> >Reply-To: natural_prostate_treatments@yahoogroups.com
> >To: natural_prostate_treatments@yahoogroups.com
> >Subject: [NTPC Yahoo Group] Re: Prostate Pain
> >Date: Thu, 28 Dec 2006 03:35:53 -0000
> >
> >Based on this, has any doctors diagnosed prostatitis? What does
all
> >this really mean?
> >
> >--- In natural_prostate_treatments@yahoogroups.com, "dominick
> >c.vecchio" <elvismlv@> wrote:
> > >
> > > The only pain I feel is right square in the can and presents like a
> >steady soreness.
> > > This is prolonged bouts of sitting down.
> > > My prostate is flat.
> > > Another time is in the tub. Just a soreness is all.
> > > Dominick
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: alfsuzy
> > > To: natural_prostate_treatments@yahoogroups.com
> > > Sent: Monday, December 25, 2006 12:30 PM
> > > Subject: [NTPC Yahoo Group] Re: Prostate Pain
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > especially when sitting with knees crossed? if this is the pain
that
> > > is not there somedays I also would like to know. a-s
> > >
> > > --- In
>
>natural_prostate_treatments@yahoogroups.com, "xrougesquadronxx"
> > > <gqxtk3333@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Hey has anyone here ever experienced prostatitis and/or
prostate
> >pain
> > > > that causes the groin area to hurt? For some reason it hurts
when I
> > > sit for
> > > > a prolonged period of time in the right side of my groin only. It
> > > also hurts
> > > > when I walk. Its almost like an inflammed feeling. I am not
sure
> > > if this is
> > > > a symptom of prostatitis. Has anyone ever had this before?
Would
> > > it be
> > > > safe to say that this is some form of prostatitis? Please
advise.
> > > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
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----- Original Message -----

From: Henry Campbell

To: natural_prostate_treatments@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Thursday, December 28, 2006 9:52 PM

Subject: Don't get too complacent -=- Re: [NTPC Yahoo Group] Most Men with Prostate Cancer Live Long

I agree Sammy:

There seems to be several killers out there that treat older people far
better then they treat younger ones. Prostate cancer is just one such
animal. If you are diagnosed young you are at a greater risk earlier.
Heart attacks are another one. People I worked with in their late
fifties or older seemed to survive but the ones in their forties never
made it. Breast cancer is another one, Someone very close to me was
diagnosed at age 30 with a tumor less then 3 mm diameter. She died
before she was 38. It doesn't seem fair, but then life and death has
never been fair.

As we are about to start a new year it is a good time to reflect on how
this past year and the many years before have been. (all 73 for me) In
the balance of life did I come down as part of the solution or part of
the problem ? I really can not judge myself, but I can resolve to try
harder to come down as part of the solution.

Have a great NEW YEAR everyone.. Henry

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--- In natural_prostate_treatments@yahoogroups.com, "Sammy Bates"
<sammy_bates@...> wrote:
>
> 10% of men Dx'd PC will die before they reach the age of retirement.
They die of PC.
>
> It kind of puts a different slant on things and just goes to show how
a benign skew in the statistics down at one end of the scale (the old
man end) can obliterate a fatally important fact at the other end of the
scale.
>
> For men like me who were diagnosed before tha age of fifty there is a
highly significant chance of early fatality due to PC. For these men the
old treatment methods just do not work for long and we need to find
meaningful alternatives.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Sammy Bates
>
> Get your 'PC act' together for 2007 !
> http://www.watchful-waiting.org/ACT/
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Tribal Tribal
> To: natural_prostate_treatments@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Thursday, December 28, 2006 10:10 AM
> Subject: [NTPC Yahoo Group] Most Men with Prostate Cancer Live Long
>
>
> The vast majority of men diagnosed with prostate cancer
> today will live as long as their counterparts who do not have
> prostate cancer, finds a U.S. study.
> To get the full story, click here:
> http://www.cancer-data.com/prostate-cancer/prostate-cancer.htm
>
>
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----- Original Message -----

From: xrougesquadronxx

To: natural_prostate_treatments@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Wednesday, December 27, 2006 10:35 PM

Subject: [NTPC Yahoo Group] Re: Prostate Pain

Based on this, has any doctors diagnosed prostatitis? What does all
this really mean?

--- In natural_prostate_treatments@yahoogroups.com, "dominick
c.vecchio" <elvismlv@...> wrote:
>
> The only pain I feel is right square in the can and presents like a
steady soreness.
> This is prolonged bouts of sitting down.
> My prostate is flat.
> Another time is in the tub. Just a soreness is all.
> Dominick
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: alfsuzy
> To: natural_prostate_treatments@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Monday, December 25, 2006 12:30 PM
> Subject: [NTPC Yahoo Group] Re: Prostate Pain
>
>
>
> especially when sitting with knees crossed? if this is the pain that
> is not there somedays I also would like to know. a-s
>
> --- In
natural_prostate_treatments@yahoogroups.com, "xrougesquadronxx"
> <gqxtk3333@> wrote:
> >
> > Hey has anyone here ever experienced prostatitis and/or prostate
pain
> > that causes the groin area to hurt? For some reason it hurts when I
> sit for
> > a prolonged period of time in the right side of my groin only. It
> also hurts
> > when I walk. Its almost like an inflammed feeling. I am not sure
> if this is
> > a symptom of prostatitis. Has anyone ever had this before? Would
> it be
> > safe to say that this is some form of prostatitis? Please advise.
> >
>

Kennio,
What type of Magnesium and what is considered a high dose?
Thanks,
Larry J

----- Original Message -----
From: Kennio <kennio@...>
Date: Friday, December 29, 2006 9:23 am
Subject: [NTPC  Yahoo Group] Re: Prostate Pain

> I experienced prostate pain and a fullness feeling quite
> frequently since I was 17 or so.  Flash
> forward 25 years and because of an unrelated problem I began to
> take a magnesium
> supplement.  I have not had not one moment of prostate pain in two
> years.  It solved so many
> seemingly unrelated issues that I now know I had been magnesium
> deficient for years.
>
> I had taken Calcium and magnesium or a multi with magnesium for
> years but when I took
> high dose magnesium alone it was like magic for several of my
> issues.  Might be worth a try
> for you.  BTW, pumpkin seeds are very high in magnesium.
>
> --- In natural_prostate_treatments@yahoogroups.com,
> "xrougesquadronxx"
> <gqxtk3333@...> wrote:
> >
> > Hey has anyone here ever experienced prostatitis and/or prostate
> pain
> > that causes the groin area to hurt?  For some reason it hurts
> when I sit for
> > a prolonged period of time in the right side of my groin only.
> It also hurts
> > when I walk.  Its almost like an inflammed feeling.  I am not
> sure if this is
> > a symptom of prostatitis.  Has anyone ever had this before?
> Would it be
> > safe to say that this is some form of prostatitis?  Please advise.
> >
>
>
>

I experienced prostate pain and a fullness feeling quite frequently since I was
17 or so.  Flash
forward 25 years and because of an unrelated problem I began to take a magnesium
supplement.  I have not had not one moment of prostate pain in two years.  It
solved so many
seemingly unrelated issues that I now know I had been magnesium deficient for
years.

I had taken Calcium and magnesium or a multi with magnesium for years but when I
took
high dose magnesium alone it was like magic for several of my issues.  Might be
worth a try
for you.  BTW, pumpkin seeds are very high in magnesium.

--- In natural_prostate_treatments@yahoogroups.com, "xrougesquadronxx"
<gqxtk3333@...> wrote:
>
> Hey has anyone here ever experienced prostatitis and/or prostate pain
> that causes the groin area to hurt?  For some reason it hurts when I sit for
> a prolonged period of time in the right side of my groin only.  It also hurts
> when I walk.  Its almost like an inflammed feeling.  I am not sure if this is
> a symptom of prostatitis.  Has anyone ever had this before?  Would it be
> safe to say that this is some form of prostatitis?  Please advise.
>