Ed,
You are correct--I can not come to the conclusion that the culprit is
Prostasol. Thanks for the suggested supplements and the websites. I
will be well prepared to discuss this issue with my internest when I
see him on July 11. I do suspect that the estrogenic effect of
Prostasol leading to the close to zero free testosterone is playing a
key role. Question is how to get the free T back up to a resonable
value without exciting the Pca. Perhaps high dose TRT might work.
Leibowitz says nothing about free T, just T. I have expanded my weight
bearing excercise workout at the Gym. Also I could double my vitamin
D3 intake from the current 2000 IU to 4000IU. The latter value is what
was recommended in a research paper that appeared in PubMed that I
read and copied for my oncologist who then suggested I try 2000IU
rather than the 4000. I think he is generally cautious when I suggest
I try something which is not part of his protocol or in his experience.

Again thanks to all who commented. I will keep you informed of what
transpires as time goes by and I try to up my BMD. For now I am
suspending Prostasol to see what happens to my PSA, T and free T in
three weeks when I have the next reading.

Seerwise


--- In natural_prostate_treatments@yahoogroups.com, steeleglas@... wrote:
>
> Seerwise
> First I do not think you can definitively conclude that Prostasol
was the
> cause of your low bone density since (1) you don't know what your
bone densitiy
> was one year ago and (2) if there was bone loss there could be other
causes
> although I do think low free testosterone is a very likely suspect.
>
> Second, more importantly, there are many supplements that retard
bone loss
> and some that reportedly increase density that you should be taking
in addition
> to your current regime. They are often available in formula version
but also
> as individual supplements. The following are all valuable: Ostivone
> (iproflavone), vitamin K-2, strontium chloride, boron, silica and of
course calcium,
> magnesium and vitamin D-3. Calcium and magnesium must be in
readily absorbable
> forms such as citrate or maleate. I take and suggest 5000iu daily of
D-3.
> Good sources to check are www.lef.org, www.swanson vitamins.com and
> www.vitacost.com.
> There are many others. Do a Google search.
> As a side comment I read that drugs such as Fosamax not only can
have bad
> side effects but while they may stop further loss they will not
increase density.
>
> Ed Brenner
>
> 4a. Bone density affected by Prostasol usage for 1 year--Now what?
> Posted by: "seerwise" seerwise@... seerwise
> Date: Fri Jun 30, 2006 10:31 am (PDT)
>
> Yesterday I got back the densitometry results taken a few days ago.
> The eraliest that my physician can meet with me to dicuss the
> results is July 11. So I am posting here to get informed comment
> from anyone who may have knowledge or experienced the loss of bone
> density as a result of taking Prostasol or other such
> phytoestrogenic or standard hormone therapies.
>
> I had had the test as part of a complete physical because I
> suspected that the price for getting the good results on PSA and the
> recurrent PCa tumor after one year of Prostasol is likely the
> weakness, cramping,aching and general distress I have felt in my
> muscles and limbs. The rest of my physical exam results were fine
> but the bone density results assessments states:
> 2
> The BMD measured at Femur Total Right is 0.798 g/cm with a T-score
> of -2.1 is low. Fracture risk is high.
>
> The recommendations are:
>
> 1. Adequate calcium, vitamin D intake and regular weight bearing and
> resistive excercises should be assured.
> [I have been taking calcium citrate+magnesium tablets daily and
> also 2000 units of Vitamin D3 daily, along with excersing at the gym.
> It was because my excercising at the gym in the last few months had
> become more difficult due to inability to get adequate sleep at
> night and general feelings of tiredness that I had decided to get a
> full physical, knowing that the Prostasol knocked my Testosterone
> down to under 10 from the year ago score of around 550-600. But at
> the time of the physical last month the testosterone reading had
> risen to 425.]
>
> 2. 25 OH Vitamin D levels should be measured. If 25 OH vitamin D
> levels are less than 32 ng/nl then pharmacologic replacement of
> Vitamin D should be considered.
> [ Does this mean that the oral intake of 2000 units of Vitamin D3 is
> not being absorbed properly in the body?]
>
> 3. Antiresorptive therapy should be considered in the prevention of
> osteoporosis.
> [ For many years I have had some osteoarthiritis but no hint of
> osteoporosis until now].
>
> I have asked my oncologist to read the Leibowitz and Tucker article
> on High Dose Testosterone Treatment and hope he does. I had earlier
> shown him Sammy's 21st Century booklet surveying +AM research--but
> of course MD's do not give much attention to what is written by
> people outside their profession. This time he said he would pay
> attention to the Leibowitz article.
>
> My own feeling is that adding high does testosterone might help my
> bone density but it is hard to get my physcian to let me try that.
> Also there is the current argument that Androgel, while boosting the
> Testosterone level, interferes with the body's own natural
> production of testosterone so that one becomes completely dependent
> on always having to use Androgel. It is claimed that some drugs
> currently available for PCa are better for bone density even when
> they don't increase testosterone. I imagine the physicians will
> recommend taking Fossamax and wonder if anyone on this list has
> experience with that drug?
>
> Responses to this post from Sammy and others on this list with
> intrepretation of the densitometry results and recommendations would
> be welcome.
>
> Seerwise.
>