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Bone density affected by Prostasol usage for 1 year--Now what?   Message List  
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Re: [NTPC Yahoo Group] Bone density affected by Prostasol usage for 1 year--Now

Jan and

Thanks for the various comments I have received on psoting. I do take
2 servings of a Calcium plus magnesium cpsule daily and also take
2 and sometimes 3 Melatonin 3 gm capsules each night. I used to take
just one 3 gm capsule of Melatonin until I read something by Donsbach
and then in an article in Life Extension Magazine, advising up to 9 to
12 gms of Melatonin a night. I have the PH paper but have'nt checked
my ph for a while. In the past it was on the border of alkile and acidic.

I think my problems may be helped with some High does TRT for a while.
But the physician is probably going to recommend Fosamax. My brother
who is a retired physician in England and a couple of years older than
me told me today that he has been taking Fosamax for three years
without side effects. I am reluctant to get hooked on a drug until I
have explored other options. For now I am stopping the Prostasol,
eating more eggs and fish and will have my PSA and T checked in
another three weeks at which time I will see if my oncologist, having
read the Leibowitz article on High Dose Testosterone Replacement
Therapy that I gave him, is willing to work with me while I experiment
with that approach for a few months to assess the difference.

Cheers,
Seerwise

--- In natural_prostate_treatments@yahoogroups.com, Jan Purwin
<purwin@...> wrote:
>
>
> seerwise,
> there one aspect of your diet that doctor overlooked. If you take
> calcium -magnesium your body tends to become more alkaline. If you
> add to it alkaline vegetables your level can go high. When you
> become high alkaline you will have problems and some people react
> differently at different levels. the easy check is to test yourself
> urine with PH meter or litmus paper. if urine is over 6.8 pH you are
> alkaline below 6.8 you become acidic. You will also feel slow and
sluggish.
> From a cancer perspective keeping body on alkaline side slow down
> any cancer to develop.
> Those were found by Dr Brewer twice Nobel price winner in cancer
research.
> a- you can monitor and regulate body chemistry.
> b- or you can take some melatonin before going to bed. (melatonin is
> natural substance that our body needs for sleep)
> c- you may go www.cancertutor.com to look at the diet and cancer.
>
> Jan
>
> At 01:13 PM 6/30/2006, you wrote:
>
> >Yesterday I got back the densitometry results taken a few days ago.
> >The eraliest that my physician can meet with me to dicuss the
> >results is July 11. So I am posting here to get informed comment
> >from anyone who may have knowledge or experienced the loss of bone
> >density as a result of taking Prostasol or other such
> >phytoestrogenic or standard hormone therapies.
> >
> >I had had the test as part of a complete physical because I
> >suspected that the price for getting the good results on PSA and the
> >recurrent PCa tumor after one year of Prostasol is likely the
> >weakness, cramping,aching and general distress I have felt in my
> >muscles and limbs. The rest of my physical exam results were fine
> >but the bone density results assessments states:
> >2
> >The BMD measured at Femur Total Right is 0.798 g/cm with a T-score
> >of -2.1 is low. Fracture risk is high.
> >
> >The recommendations are:
> >
> >1. Adequate calcium, vitamin D intake and regular weight bearing and
> >resistive excercises should be assured.
> >[I have been taking calcium citrate+magnesium tablets daily and
> >also 2000 units of Vitamin D3 daily, along with excersing at the gym.
> >It was because my excercising at the gym in the last few months had
> >become more difficult due to inability to get adequate sleep at
> >night and general feelings of tiredness that I had decided to get a
> >full physical, knowing that the Prostasol knocked my Testosterone
> >down to under 10 from the year ago score of around 550-600. But at
> >the time of the physical last month the testosterone reading had
> >risen to 425.]
> >
> >2. 25 OH Vitamin D levels should be measured. If 25 OH vitamin D
> >levels are less than 32 ng/nl then pharmacologic replacement of
> >Vitamin D should be considered.
> >[ Does this mean that the oral intake of 2000 units of Vitamin D3 is
> >not being absorbed properly in the body?]
> >
> >3. Antiresorptive therapy should be considered in the prevention of
> >osteoporosis.
> >[ For many years I have had some osteoarthiritis but no hint of
> >osteoporosis until now].
> >
> >I have asked my oncologist to read the Leibowitz and Tucker article
> >on High Dose Testosterone Treatment and hope he does. I had earlier
> >shown him Sammy's 21st Century booklet surveying +AM research--but
> >of course MD's do not give much attention to what is written by
> >people outside their profession. This time he said he would pay
> >attention to the Leibowitz article.
> >
> >My own feeling is that adding high does testosterone might help my
> >bone density but it is hard to get my physcian to let me try that.
> >Also there is the current argument that Androgel, while boosting the
> >Testosterone level, interferes with the body's own natural
> >production of testosterone so that one becomes completely dependent
> >on always having to use Androgel. It is claimed that some drugs
> >currently available for PCa are better for bone density even when
> >they don't increase testosterone. I imagine the physicians will
> >recommend taking Fossamax and wonder if anyone on this list has
> >experience with that drug?
> >
> >Responses to this post from Sammy and others on this list with
> >intrepretation of the densitometry results and recommendations would
> >be welcome.
> >
> >Seerwise.
> >
> >
> >
> >
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6/29/2006
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