> Explain that at your age you deserve better !!    Henry

Harold:

There probably is no way to get a Rx for testosterone to battle cancer.  The best way is to get the Dr. to be sympathetic with your hypogonadism situation (low testosterone). Explain that due to age and other things your Quality of Life has been crappy (lie if you have to) then show him some of the studies published and the article in the December 2008 issue of Life Extension Magazine.  Also take some of the information from the 5th World Congress on Aginghttp://www.agingmale2006.com/ Explain that at your age you deserve better !!    Henry

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--- In natural_prostate_treatments@yahoogroups.com, Harold Smage <Harolds@...> wrote:
>> 
> I was gone on vacation when you posted this and only recently got to 
> it going through the vacation week folder.
> 
> I share your views on PSA- that is I sincerely hope that they are valid!
> 
> I had an RP about 17 years ago and my PSA level never was below .5 
> after the op. About 5 yrs ago it was .8 then progressed to 1.2 then 
> 1.6, in another year or 2 to around 2.2. This is probably the current 
> level. If I get a physical I will probably have bloods run. I try to 
> pay almost no attention to the PSA. I really don't believe a .1 or so 
> or even .5 change necessarily proves anything other than my blood at 
> that day, according to that lab contained whatever the numbers said.
> 
> It is my feeling that the time of the rise in my PSA level to over 
> 1.0 coincided with some shift in the Testosterone to estradiol ratio. 
> At that time I had some buildup in breast tissue in the left side. I 
> used up a bottle of Chrysin, stopped eating tofu, stopped use of 
> estrogenic sunscreens. The breast increase stabilized.
> 
> It may have been a list member here that opined that in his opinion: 
> male breast tissue, prostate bed residue or tissue left during "nerve 
> sparing" RP could not possibly produce anything over a .5 amount of 
> PSA. Does anyone have any ideas differing from this?
> 
> I have not seen the uro-surgeon that did the RP for about 3 or 4 yrs. 
> When I asked him then about why the PSA was rising he just said "I 
> don't know". Perhaps if i went back to him and asked whether he 
> might possibly have left enough tissue in the nerve sparing to 
> produce the 2 to 2.5 levels? < BR>> 
> Obviously 2 to 2.5 PSA would not qualify for an aggressive Pca 
> killing level which would probably run in the thousands!
> 
> When I consulted (a different) uro he was really gung ho to put me on 
> ADT with Lupron, etc.
> 
> I fired him because I am sure that regimen would be about like 
> instant alzheimers, osteoporosis, and "nursery home" for me.
> 
> I do use a natural cancer discouraging program including vitamin D, 
> DIM, selenium, lycopene, flaxSeed, omega 3, pomegranate.
> 
> BTW, Henry, how did you manage to get the prescription for the "T"?
> 
> How costly is the T?
> 
> I think I'd get laughed out of any Md or Uro's office if I asked for 
> that!
> 
> Harold
> > Ck post below
> >
> >> From: "Henry Campbell" henryjcampbell@...
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> FIRS T : I want to congratulate everyone for making it to another 
> >> year. The last 12 months have gone by very rapidly for me, and 
> >> things have been GOOD !!
> >>
> >> It seems currently the PSA debate on "what does it mean when PSA 
> >> goes up or down" is the hot topic. When I look at The January 
> >> posts at the beginning of the years 2003 thru 2009 the theme was 
> >> basically the same ie. steps taken to lower PSA or "what does PSA 
> >> measure ?"
> >>
> >> Being human I have my own theory and opinions based on things I've 
> >> read and decided to retain. I'm not going to go into my filing 
> >> system to pull out the journal's date and time nor the Pub-Med 
> >> references, if I did I'd cherry pick them anyhow, so you must 
> >> consider this as my opinion only.
> >>
> >> PS A 
> >>
> >> What is it ?: It is shown to be an important part of the 
> >> reproductive system that acts like a time delay mechanism to 
> >> liquidity the ejaculate several minutes after the sex act. Without 
> >> it the current reproductive system wouldn't work. The sperm would 
> >> wear themselves out just trying to escape the jello.
> >>
> >> Where does it come from ?: Primarily it is produced in the 
> >> prostate gland. It is produced by a multitude of follicles (not 
> >> unlike hair or oil follicles in the skin). These follicles are 
> >> connected in a duct configuration so that when the outside muscle 
> >> of the prostate contracts at orgasm the PSA is injected into the 
> >> ejaculate. During this occurrence the internal pressure of the 
> >> prostate is increased and depending on the integrity of t he 
> >> internal blood vessels,& capillaries PSA can be forced into the 
> >> blood supply, which then shows up in a serum blood test. Psa 
> >> apparently is still produced in men that have had their prostate 
> >> removed surgically or have been rendered inactive via: Radiation, 
> >> HIFU, CRYO etc. It is surmised that PSA is produced by random 
> >> prostate cells that have taken up residence in other areas of the 
> >> body. Since these random cells are not connected to a duct system 
> >> any PSA they produce is absorbed directly into the blood system. 
> >> PSA has also been shown to occur in women with Breast Cancer. In 
> >> women PSA is produced in the breast tissue. Those with the 
> >> highest PSA count usually have the best survival rate of the cancer.
> >>
> >> What does it do ?: PSA evidently has the a b ility to disrupt the 
> >> outside membrane of certain cell walls, thus it liquefies the 
> >> ejaculate. It has been shown that PSA has the ability to 
> >> selectively kill cancer cells in vivo due to this disruption of 
> >> cell walls . I have met men who's PSA has been above 2,000 and 
> >> they are alive today. This raises the question: Is a very high PSA 
> >> part of the systems defense against cancer ?? and did these men 
> >> survive their cancer in part due to the ability of PSA to kill 
> >> cancer cells ??. If PSA is a messenger which message is it 
> >> telling ? That the body has increased it's battle against the 
> >> cancer or that the body is being overwhelmed by the cancer. An 
> >> interesting question. I once speculated that if a person had PSA 
> >> from his own ejaculate injected into his blood stream it would < BR>> >> kill existing cancer cells. But that would take two things - a 
> >> working prostate gland and the balls to try it. I don't h ave the 
> >> former and I'm not sure of the latter.
> >>
> >> What makes the numbers change ?: If you have a working prostate we 
> >> know things like sex, biking horseback riding etc. will cause 
> >> associated pressure on the prostate that increases serum blood 
> >> count. It is also a fact that an increase in testosterone will 
> >> increase PSA and a reduction of testosterone will return the PSA 
> >> to it's prior concentration (a personal experiment). Certain 
> >> drugs will reduce PSA, either by reducing the cell's ability to 
> >> produce PSA or reducing the number of cells that produce the PSA. 
> >> There seems to be evidence (with runners) that PSA concentrations 
> > & gt; increase with dehydration.
> >>
> >> My conclusion: I don't think of PSA as a bad thing, so I am not a 
> >> PSA phobic. I track my PSA to look for trends over time to see if 
> >> their is any indication that I should change my targets. (To date 
> >> - none !!) My targets are testosterone above 1200, Estradiol 
> >> between 10 - 20, Vitamin D above 90 and BMI below 24. I'm close 
> >> on most of these but I am a work in progress. This is an opinion 
> >> I came up with in 2004. Since then I have refined my targets a 
> >> bit but not the concept. I just turned 75 so I'll see how it works 
> >> for the next 20 years.
> >> Henry Date of Birth 01/03/1934 Dx date 05/28/02,age68:1st 
> >> measured PSA 2.10, 06/28/96:PSA at DX 13.2 , gleason 7, psa 
> >> doubling time at Dx 17.8 mo, Left seminal vesicle Involvement: < BR>> >> Treatment Intensity Modulated Radiation: Positive androgen 
> >> management:
> >>
> >> **
> Henry,
> 
> I was gone on vacation when you posted this and only recently got to 
> it going through the vacation week folder.
> 
> I share your views on PSA- that is I sincerely hope that they are valid!
> 
> I had an RP about 17 years ago and my PSA level never was below .5 
> after the op. About 5 yrs ago it was .8 then progressed to 1.2 then 
> 1.6, in another year or 2 to around 2.2. This is probably the current 
> level. If I get a physical I will probably have bloods run. I try to 
> pay almost no attention to the PSA. I really don't believe a .1 or so 
> or even .5 change necessarily proves anything other than my blood at 
> that day, according to that lab contained whatever the numbers said.
> 
> It is my feeling that the time of the rise in my PSA level to over 
> 1.0 coincided with some shift in the Testosterone to estradiol ratio. 
> At that time I had some buildup in breast tissue in the left side. I 
> used up a bottle of Chrysin, stopped eating tofu, stopped use of 
> estrogenic sunscreens. The breast increase stabilized.
> 
> It may have been a list member here that opined that in his opinion: 
> male breast tissue, prostate bed residue or tissue left during "nerve 
> sparing" RP could not possibly produce anything over a .5 amount of 
> PSA. Does anyone have any ideas differing from this?
> 
> I have not seen the uro-surgeon that did the RP for about 3 or 4 yrs. 
> When I asked him then about why the PSA was rising he just said "I 
> don't know". Perhaps if i went back to him and asked whether he 
> might possibly have left enough tissue in the nerve sparing to 
> produce the 2 to 2.5 levels?
> 
> Obviously 2 to 2.5 PSA would not qualify for an aggressive Pca 
> killing level which would probably run in the thousands!
> 
> When I consulted (a different) uro he was really gung ho to put me on 
> ADT with Lupron, etc.
> 
> I fired him because I am sure that regimen would be about like 
> instant alzheimers, osteoporosis, and "nursery home" for me.
> 
> I do use a natural cancer discouraging program including vitamin D, 
> DIM, selenium, lycopene, flaxSeed, omega 3, pomegranate.
> 
> BTW, Henry, how did you manage to get the prescription for the "T"?
> 
> How costly is the T?
> 
> I think I'd get laughed out of any Md or Uro's office if I asked for 
> that!
> 
> Harold
>