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Re: [NTPC Yahoo Group] Clint's Incomplete History

Hi Clint!

It's great that your blood lipid numbers are already where you want
them, even if you a bit overweight. You are a fortunate person, but many
of us out here are not so lucky. We are all put together differently and
I have struggled with the problem of excess weight and relatively high
numbers in my lipid panel for a number of years.

I started taking Lipitor in January 2001 and quit taking it on October
15, 2006. During this time my triglycerides were between 77 and 129
(averaging 104). My cardiologist wanted that number below 100 and for
the most part Lipitor did the job. It was only when Dr. Robert Leibowitz
wanted to increase my dosage of Lipitor from 10mg to 80mg daily that I
began to study the matter in depth and subsequently went off Lipitor
altogether -- and gradually got myself off all other prescription drugs
as well. My triglycerides jumped immediately to 170 on 1/4/06. Six
months later I managed to get the number down to 150, which was still a
long way from my days on Lipitor. And then I went on the Ornish diet on
September 3, 2006. By 10/19/07 my tryglicerides were down to 131. I went
on the McDougall diet (a still more strict low fat, no cholesterol,
vegetarian diet) on 12/10/07 and my triglycerides were 87 on 12/19/07.
The pounds continue to come off without my ever feeling hungry as such,
with the Ornish/McDougall diet. My current weight of 205 lbs is the
lowest for me in more than ten years. My cardiologist credits the
improvement in my blood chemistry with weight loss [about 15% in the
past 16 months]. I credit both achievements to the Ornis/McDougall diet.

Duane Christensen



Clint Bishop wrote:
> Duane,
> My triglycerides on my last blood test were 88 and all of my cholesterol
> numbers were also very good. The only BAD number that I have is when I step
> on my scale... :o( I will check all of the numbers again later this month
> when Healthcheck Labs is at my local HEB store.
> Clint
> Clint
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Duane Christensen" <dlc@...>
> To: <natural_prostate_treatments@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Saturday, January 05, 2008 1:58 PM
> Subject: Re: [NTPC Yahoo Group] Clint's Incomplete History
>
>
>
>> Clint,
>>
>> You might take a look at John McDougall's book, MAXIMUM WEIGHT LOSS
>> (1995). This is similar to the Dean Ornish diet, but more restrictive --
>> keeping total fat to about 10% of dietary intake. It is working for me.
>> What is more important is what this diet is doing to my lipid numbers.
>> In the past six months my triglycerides have dropped 42% (from 150 to
>> 87). I weighed 242 lbs when I started chemotherapy on 9/7/06, which I
>> terminated on Nov. 16, 2006. My weight at the moment is 205 lbs, with a
>> target goal of 175 lbs be the end of 2008.
>>
>> Duane Christensen
>>
>>
>>
>> Clint Bishop wrote:
>>
>>> I have the book by Dean Ornish but we have just started on a
>>> NutriSystem
>>> diet to loose weight. I would like to go from my current weight of 220
>>> to
>>> at least 170 (155 or 160 would be nice). Hopefully, this will also help
>>> keep the Pca in check.
>>> Anybody else done the NutriSystem thing?
>>> Clint
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Duane Christensen" <dlc@...>
>>> To: <natural_prostate_treatments@yahoogroups.com>
>>> Sent: Sunday, December 30, 2007 6:46 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [NTPC Yahoo Group] Clint's Incomplete History
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> Clint,
>>>>
>>>> From what you said earlier, I think you probably went on the so-called
>>>> *ultimate fast* in conjunction with your vegetarian diet. I have been
>>>> following DR. DEAN ORNISH'S PROGRAM FOR REVERSING HEART DISEASE (1996),
>>>> which I strongly recommend for your reading. I weighed in at 205 lbs
>>>> this morning, which means I have lost 38 lbs since the time I started
>>>> androgen deprivation therapy (ADT) for prostate cancer on Sept. 7, 2006.
>>>> I have another 30 lbs to go to get where I should be in terms of weight.
>>>>
>>>> Prostate cancer is a strange disease in that there are often no symptoms
>>>> at all. The only reason I went in to get my PSA checked in 2000 and
>>>> again in 2006, was my response to the fact that two of my brothers had
>>>> just had their prostates removed surgically because of prostate cancer.
>>>> I had a biopsy each time -- the first was negative and the second
>>>> positive. I wish that I had done my homework and studied the matter in
>>>> depth years ago. If I had done so, I would have made some very different
>>>> choices.
>>>>
>>>> Duane Christensen
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Clint Bishop wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Duane,
>>>>> I was 51 when diagnosed with prostate cancer. The first that I knew
>>>>> of
>>>>> it was when the VA did a PSA test and my PSA was 6.9. I went on a
>>>>> vegetarian diet immediately and my weight, cholesterol and PSA dropped
>>>>> significantly. I have not stuck with that regimen throughout my ordeal
>>>>> and my weight is up to a little over 200 now. We are going to start a
>>>>> Nutri-System diet next week for two months and see where our weight is
>>>>> at
>>>>> the end of that time. I will also check my PSA next month to see if it
>>>>> has stayed below 4.0, but I feel fine other than the weight gain.
>>>>> Clint
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>
>
>




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Clint You are being mysterious and very very incomplete. What about everything that has happened since July '99. Are you still on a vegetarian diet. If not...
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Ed, I've got the entire story on my computer, but I was trying to keep my email short. Don't you think that people would be bored by my complete history?? On...
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Ed, Here is a complete copy of my PSA history. I am not an accountant, so it is a little sloppy, Clint PSA, Cholesterol & diet since April 15, 1999 Date:...
Clint Bishop
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Clint, Thank you for taking the time to put together this information, which I personally find to be extremely useful. What was your age at the time you were...
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Duane, I was 51 when diagnosed with prostate cancer. The first that I knew of it was when the VA did a PSA test and my PSA was 6.9. I went on a vegetarian...
Clint Bishop
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Clint, From what you said earlier, I think you probably went on the so-called *ultimate fast* in conjunction with your vegetarian diet. I have been following...
Duane Christensen
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Dec 31, 2007
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Duane Duane You are correct that Honvan is a synthetic estrogen and that PC Spes had an estrogenic effect although there was an issue as to whether PC Spes...
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Dec 30, 2007
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Ed, Thank you for this information on Honvan and PC-Spes. I continue to follow the discussion of those in the group who have chosen to go this route, including...
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I have the book by Dean Ornish but we have just started on a NutriSystem diet to loose weight. I would like to go from my current weight of 220 to at least...
Clint Bishop
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Jan 5, 2008
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Clint, You might take a look at John McDougall's book, MAXIMUM WEIGHT LOSS (1995). This is similar to the Dean Ornish diet, but more restrictive -- keeping...
Duane Christensen
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Jan 5, 2008
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Duane, My triglycerides on my last blood test were 88 and all of my cholesterol numbers were also very good. The only BAD number that I have is when I step on...
Clint Bishop
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Jan 6, 2008
5:55 pm

Hi Clint! It's great that your blood lipid numbers are already where you want them, even if you a bit overweight. You are a fortunate person, but many of us...
Duane Christensen
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Jan 7, 2008
3:37 am

Hi Clint, I haven't done Nutrisystem, but i have used the BioLean system. I've lost over 20 pounds and have never felt better. I also use a product called...
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Thanks for the info, John, but at $60/bottle I cannot afford Masculine. I can make my Honvan mixture for less than $5/60 pills and it holds my PSA less than...
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