This upcoming webinar may be of interest:  "The Language of Contemporary Food
Labeling: Communicating Product Characteristics Without Compromising Compliance"
http://foodseminarsinternational.com/May_31st.html


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Dear Friend,

For anyone looking to deepen their experience as a mentor and trainer, and to
experience the art and alchemy of what it takes create a village... we recommend
the upcoming Art of Mentoring - facilited by Jon Young, the 8 Shields Institute,
and a team of experienced mentors and facilitators from around the country and
world.

This year happening in the Santa Cruz Mountains the second week of August.

More Information below.

-The Living Mandala Team


Art of Mentoring

Creating Resilient Mentors, Village & Community

August 6-12, 2012

Santa Cruz Mountains, California

Facilitated by Jon Young, Mark Morey, Lauren Dalberth, David Hage & a Team of
experienced leaders, facilitators, and educators from around the world.

For More Information Click Here




Because it Takes a Village to…
Engage the gifts of our elders
Create essential rites of passage  for our teens
Ensure parents are supported and thriving
Welcome our babies into a world of open arms
Feel deep compassion and gratitude for All of Our Relations
Understand your gifts and how to apply them in service to the people.

Course Description

The Art of Mentoring is a week-long, experiential, nature based program designed
to help us remember these old ways and learn to apply them to our modern
communities. Guided by a team of experienced leaders and facilitators from
around the world, Art of Mentoring participants come together to experience,
learn from and co-create a joyful, engaged learning community. You will walk
away with tools and embodied practices of regenerative community design,
mentoring techniques, deep nature connection, and an amplified passion for
learning. Deep in all of our roots, there are stories of our ancestors living in
healthy, regenerative communities—villages where people of all ages were in deep
relationship with the land, each other, and themselves. Our hope is to activate
and inspire you to create healthy communities right in your own back yard!

The course is taught through group experiential activities, lectures,
storytelling, and music. We will be both indoors and outside exploring in the
field.

This is a Family Friendly Event!

Creating a village where the whole family is welcome, supported and growing
together is an important element to the Art of Mentoring culture. In that
spirit, there are youth nature connection programs for children aged 4-12 and a
teen program for youth ages 13-18. Both the teen program and the youth program
run concurrently with the adult program, overlapping for most meals (read
further for more information).

Youth Program

The Youth & Kids’ programs include sensory awareness games and exercises, earth
living skills, native scout skills, arts and crafts, music and storytelling, and
getting to know the natural world through “native eyes.” Children learn these
skills and knowledge through artful mentoring that taps into their passions and
interests.

The Youth Program for children 7-12 old and the Kid’s Program for 4-6 year-olds
make it possible for the whole family to attend the Art of Mentoring and is a
critical part of the living culture of awareness. The children add the spark of
playfulness as they interact with workshop participants at mealtimes and the
evenings. Participants also get to witness mentoring at work with children as
the children explore, imagine and play outside with the guidance of a regional
network of instructors. The children in turn have an enlivened experience of
what it might be like to live in a village surrounded by adults looking out for
them.



AOM Teen Program: Mountains to Sea Teen Rendezvous

The AOM Teen Program is designed to immerse teens in wilderness living and
adventure. Guided by a team of experienced nature connection mentors, the teens
will connect more deeply to the natural world, their peers and themselves
through daily activities including primitive skills, tracking, awareness games,
scout skills, team building, etc.

The week will culminate with an overnight backpack leaving from the Art of
Mentoring base camp and heading out from the mountains to the sea and back
again.

Enriching the experience and making it more than “overnight camp,” the Teen
Program will have connections with a community of elders, aunts, uncles, and
youth that have formed around the Art of Mentoring. The teens will leave with an
embodied experience of what it might be like to live in a village surrounded by
adults looking out for them. They will play an important role in bringing back
the stories of the landscape to the village at large.

Opportunities for Returning Participants!

This year there is a 2nd level experience in the Art of Mentoring for folks who
have previously attended an Art of Mentoring and want to deepen their experience
being a mentor for others. This “Ring 2 experience will include staff guided
nature connection and core routine activities deepening your capacity to guide
others in nature connection and core routines. There is a limit of 20 in this
program.
For more Information please email: laurendalberth@....

For More Information Click Here


Living Mandala
Organizing Education, Events & Initiatives for Personal & Planetary
Transformation
www.LivingMandala.com
Find Living Mandala on Facebook!

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Hello friends,

We're thrilled to announce the availability of a limited number of
scholarships for our upcoming Urban Permaculture & Regenerative
Leadership training in August.  This is truly a training unlike
any other.

Permaculture Design & Regenerative Leadership Course - Aug 11-19th
Tuition co-pay with scholarship:  $1000 (regular price: $3000!)

-> Discount code:  AUGUSTSCHOLARSHIP (only valid for august course)
-> Link:  http://www.commoncircle.com/pdc

We're making ONLY TEN of these need-based scholarships available
first-come-first-serve.  Just sign up online, and if the system
accepts your credit card information with the code, you're in.

Want to know why you should join the program?  Check out just some
of the many reviews from participants of our programs:
(http://commoncircle.com/reviews)

This course was the BEST time I have had in the past 6 years"
-- Lana T

"I really enjoyed the experience, I can feel my permaculture
mind continuing to grow as things settle in from the course."
  -- Jaye M

"Thank you for the experience I had with Common Circle - it
was wonderful. Best wishes and continued growth."  -- Susan L,

Join an unforgettable program in leadership, permaculture and
sustainable design in Oregon with the world's most renowned
instructors and change your life, your community and your
planet.  Not only do Common Circle Education courses offer the
most complete curriculum of any similar program, but the people
who come to the programs make this the most powerful training
offered anywhere.

Gain cutting-edge skills in nature-inspired sustainable design
that's applicable virtually anywhere design is used -- from green
businesses to your own back yard.  Visit ecovillages, organic
farms, the nation's first biofuel station (ever seen a gas station
with solar panels and a green roof selling kombucha? ;), while
spending two weeks with some of the most inspiring people around!

Course:   Suburban Permaculture Design & Leadership Certificate
Location: Eugene, Oregon - Organic meals and lodging included!

-- More info @ http://www.commoncircle.com/pdc --

During the workshop, we will talk about:

* Smart nature-inspired design principles
* Rainwater catchment and storage
* Greywater - smart water re-use with plant filters
* Food forests & garden design for food abundance
* Eco-psychology and Regenerative Leadership
* Intentional community design and dynamics
* Bio-remediation and toxic waste cleanup
* Natural building design - cob, strawbale and more
* Soil biology and regeneration
* Sustainable transportation and fuels
* Green business and sustainable economics
* Natural patterns and principles
* Everything you ever wanted to know about plants and soil!

"My experience in the course was invaluable.  I find myself with a
new permaculture lens that I can put on at will, and see the world
around me in a way that I feel leads to making more conscious
decisions and living better in harmony with the earth."
    - Deborah F., Course Graduate

This course will combine critical design skills with leadership,
nature connection, and most importantly an urban focus, building
and exceeding upon the internationally-recognized Permaculture
Design Certification curriculum.  Our programs offer by far the
most complete curriculum of any similar course -- with a huge
focus on leadership, personal growth and community design as well
as green business.

You'll learn how to create sustainable, thriving human systems,
from green houses and organic gardens, to local micro-economies
and communities, using sustainable design principles that are
applicable to every human system, from businesses, communities,
and cities to personal relationships.

Because of our unique focus on Urban and Suburban solutions,
our courses are radically different from most other programs,
teaching permaculture as a design science rooted in nature.
With most of the world's population in cities, we must
meet people where they live with real sustainable solutions.

-- More info @ http://www.commoncircle.com/pdc --

Starting by learning the lessons from nature with some of the
world's most renowned organic farming experts, we will then look
at how to apply what we learned from the soil and the water to
building sustainable, lasting institutions.

Common Circle Education is the nation's ecological design and
sustainable living school with courses in Oregon, Hawaii and
California; our instructors are some of the most well-known
leaders in sustainability, organics and permaculture design.

We hope you will be able to join us for this incredible,
life-changing experiential course!

Don't wait - sign up today before these few spots fill up!  If you
have questions - call us at 1-800-376-3775!

--
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phone: 1-800-376-3775
web: www.commoncircleeducation.com/info
mail: 14525 SW Millikan Way, Suite 17760, Beaverton, OR 97005
LOVE us on Facebook: http://facebook.com/commoncircl

I just attended a lecture about Public Relations and learned about the
web sites below. After you subscribe to these then you will receive a
listing of stories that reports from across the nation are working on.
You can scan the list and if you feel like you are an expert in a
certain area then you can offer them assistance on their story. This
seems like a no brainer for all the food and nutrition guru's in this
group. I hope that some from the WAPF community can spare the time and
expertise to get the word out and possibly evangelize our message to
the greater community.

BTW - this was presented as an opportunity for business owners to get
the word  out about their own business and so you could sign up for
that purpose too.

I hope that someone can share this up  the flag pole with Sally Fallon
and someone in her camp. I don't have their email address handy.




H.A.R.O. (Help A Reporter Out) –www.HelpAReporter.com
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My son is 20 now, and for probably half his life, seems to have had
some kind of digestive issue. Way back then, his stools seemed too
loose or something, but he was just horribly embarrassed to have
anybody talk about anything like that... And there didn't seem to be
any symptoms of any kind.

3 or 4 years ago, his eyes got puffy for the second time after he ate
shrimp, so I managed to convince him that he'd better completely lay
off the shrimp, not push his body into a dangerous reaction. He has
"tested" that slightly a couple of times, and the last time thought
it tightened his throat up. I hope that was his imagination.

Anyway, now, at 20, his breath has been pretty bad for a couple of
years. Until today, he would not hear anything about it... It really
does have a "digestive-system" kind of smell to it, sort of similar
to what my breath smelled like when the Middle Age Constipation hit me.

He still mostly wants to think he's invincible and there couldn't
possibly be anything he would need to change (except the shrimp
thing), but he did actually ask what I thought he should do. I
managed to say that if I were him, I'd try to eat some yogurt every
day,  before he started interrupting me again...

Anybody have suggestions from their own experience? I told him that I
wondered if all that store-bought milk I drank when I was pregnant
with him might have set him up for some trouble. That was about the
only *protein* I could stand to ingest, and I had only started
hearing rumblings about how the pasteurization and homogenization
were so bad.

Joy

The Paleo Solution way of eating helps all kinds of digestive and
inflammation disorders. I've had digestive issues my whole life and
terrible eczema and psoriasis until I started eating Paleo and drinking
Kombucha tea. The Kombucha got rid of my horrible constipation even on lots
of meds. Eating Paleo helped me discover that I have Celiacs so as long as
I lay off grains and junk food my skin stays clear and I lose weight. I've
had obesity problems since I got pregnant with my son 23 years ago.

Myree
myree.miche.com
On May 26, 2012 1:25 PM, "Joy Rex" <jomarex@...> wrote:

> **
>
>
> My son is 20 now, and for probably half his life, seems to have had
> some kind of digestive issue. Way back then, his stools seemed too
> loose or something, but he was just horribly embarrassed to have
> anybody talk about anything like that... And there didn't seem to be
> any symptoms of any kind.
>
> 3 or 4 years ago, his eyes got puffy for the second time after he ate
> shrimp, so I managed to convince him that he'd better completely lay
> off the shrimp, not push his body into a dangerous reaction. He has
> "tested" that slightly a couple of times, and the last time thought
> it tightened his throat up. I hope that was his imagination.
>
> Anyway, now, at 20, his breath has been pretty bad for a couple of
> years. Until today, he would not hear anything about it... It really
> does have a "digestive-system" kind of smell to it, sort of similar
> to what my breath smelled like when the Middle Age Constipation hit me.
>
> He still mostly wants to think he's invincible and there couldn't
> possibly be anything he would need to change (except the shrimp
> thing), but he did actually ask what I thought he should do. I
> managed to say that if I were him, I'd try to eat some yogurt every
> day, before he started interrupting me again...
>
> Anybody have suggestions from their own experience? I told him that I
> wondered if all that store-bought milk I drank when I was pregnant
> with him might have set him up for some trouble. That was about the
> only *protein* I could stand to ingest, and I had only started
> hearing rumblings about how the pasteurization and homogenization
> were so bad.
>
> Joy
>
>


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From what you have described here it looks to me like he has a Candida
fungus. Gas & bloating are a big sign of it and allergies also are.

You can check to see if this is true by having him to spit into a glass
of water first thing in the morning before he rinses his mouth or drinks
any thing. Give it about 20 minutes and If the saliva hangs on the top
of the water and strings down into it this is a sure sign of Candida.
A white tongue is also a sign. Any or all of these things are signs of
Candida.
The baking soda maple syrup is very good for treating this.

Kathryn




--- In native-nutrition@yahoogroups.com, Joy Rex <jomarex@...> wrote:
>
> My son is 20 now, and for probably half his life, seems to have had
> some kind of digestive issue. Way back then, his stools seemed too
> loose or something, but he was just horribly embarrassed to have
> anybody talk about anything like that... And there didn't seem to be
> any symptoms of any kind.
>
> 3 or 4 years ago, his eyes got puffy for the second time after he ate
> shrimp, so I managed to convince him that he'd better completely lay
> off the shrimp, not push his body into a dangerous reaction. He has
> "tested" that slightly a couple of times, and the last time thought
> it tightened his throat up. I hope that was his imagination.
>
> Anyway, now, at 20, his breath has been pretty bad for a couple of
> years. Until today, he would not hear anything about it... It really
> does have a "digestive-system" kind of smell to it, sort of similar
> to what my breath smelled like when the Middle Age Constipation hit
me.
>
> He still mostly wants to think he's invincible and there couldn't
> possibly be anything he would need to change (except the shrimp
> thing), but he did actually ask what I thought he should do. I
> managed to say that if I were him, I'd try to eat some yogurt every
> day,  before he started interrupting me again...
>
> Anybody have suggestions from their own experience? I told him that I
> wondered if all that store-bought milk I drank when I was pregnant
> with him might have set him up for some trouble. That was about the
> only *protein* I could stand to ingest, and I had only started
> hearing rumblings about how the pasteurization and homogenization
> were so bad.
>
> Joy
>

Hello friends,

We're thrilled to announce the availability of a limited number of
scholarships for our upcoming Urban Permaculture & Regenerative
Leadership training in August.  This is truly a training unlike
any other.

Permaculture Design & Regenerative Leadership Course - Aug 11-19th
Tuition co-pay with scholarship:  $1000 (regular price: $3000!)

-> Discount code:  AUGUSTSCHOLARSHIP (only valid for august course)
-> Link:  http://www.commoncircle.com/pdc

We're making ONLY TEN of these need-based scholarships available
first-come-first-serve.  Just sign up online, and if the system
accepts your credit card information with the code, you're in.

Want to know why you should join the program?  Check out just some
of the many reviews from participants of our programs:
(http://commoncircle.com/reviews)

This course was the BEST time I have had in the past 6 years"
-- Lana T

"I really enjoyed the experience, I can feel my permaculture
mind continuing to grow as things settle in from the course."
  -- Jaye M

"Thank you for the experience I had with Common Circle - it
was wonderful. Best wishes and continued growth."  -- Susan L,

Join an unforgettable program in leadership, permaculture and
sustainable design in Oregon with the world's most renowned
instructors and change your life, your community and your
planet.  Not only do Common Circle Education courses offer the
most complete curriculum of any similar program, but the people
who come to the programs make this the most powerful training
offered anywhere.

Gain cutting-edge skills in nature-inspired sustainable design
that's applicable virtually anywhere design is used -- from green
businesses to your own back yard.  Visit ecovillages, organic
farms, the nation's first biofuel station (ever seen a gas station
with solar panels and a green roof selling kombucha? ;), while
spending two weeks with some of the most inspiring people around!

Course:   Suburban Permaculture Design & Leadership Certificate
Location: Eugene, Oregon - Organic meals and lodging included!

-- More info @ http://www.commoncircle.com/pdc --

During the workshop, we will talk about:

* Smart nature-inspired design principles
* Rainwater catchment and storage
* Greywater - smart water re-use with plant filters
* Food forests & garden design for food abundance
* Eco-psychology and Regenerative Leadership
* Intentional community design and dynamics
* Bio-remediation and toxic waste cleanup
* Natural building design - cob, strawbale and more
* Soil biology and regeneration
* Sustainable transportation and fuels
* Green business and sustainable economics
* Natural patterns and principles
* Everything you ever wanted to know about plants and soil!

"My experience in the course was invaluable.  I find myself with a
new permaculture lens that I can put on at will, and see the world
around me in a way that I feel leads to making more conscious
decisions and living better in harmony with the earth."
    - Deborah F., Course Graduate

This course will combine critical design skills with leadership,
nature connection, and most importantly an urban focus, building
and exceeding upon the internationally-recognized Permaculture
Design Certification curriculum.  Our programs offer by far the
most complete curriculum of any similar course -- with a huge
focus on leadership, personal growth and community design as well
as green business.

You'll learn how to create sustainable, thriving human systems,
from green houses and organic gardens, to local micro-economies
and communities, using sustainable design principles that are
applicable to every human system, from businesses, communities,
and cities to personal relationships.

Because of our unique focus on Urban and Suburban solutions,
our courses are radically different from most other programs,
teaching permaculture as a design science rooted in nature.
With most of the world's population in cities, we must
meet people where they live with real sustainable solutions.

-- More info @ http://www.commoncircle.com/pdc --

Starting by learning the lessons from nature with some of the
world's most renowned organic farming experts, we will then look
at how to apply what we learned from the soil and the water to
building sustainable, lasting institutions.

Common Circle Education is the nation's ecological design and
sustainable living school with courses in Oregon, Hawaii and
California; our instructors are some of the most well-known
leaders in sustainability, organics and permaculture design.

We hope you will be able to join us for this incredible,
life-changing experiential course!

Don't wait - sign up today before these few spots fill up!  If you
have questions - call us at 1-800-376-3775!

--
Common Circle Education
phone: 1-800-376-3775
web: www.commoncircleeducation.com/info
mail: 14525 SW Millikan Way, Suite 17760, Beaverton, OR 97005
LOVE us on Facebook: http://facebook.com/commoncircl

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It sounds to me like he would truly benefit from some time on the GAPS  Diet. 
www.gapsdiet.com

Lisa

--- In native-nutrition@yahoogroups.com, Joy Rex <jomarex@...> wrote:
>
> My son is 20 now, and for probably half his life, seems to have had
> some kind of digestive issue. Way back then, his stools seemed too
> loose or something, but he was just horribly embarrassed to have
> anybody talk about anything like that... And there didn't seem to be
> any symptoms of any kind.
>
> 3 or 4 years ago, his eyes got puffy for the second time after he ate
> shrimp, so I managed to convince him that he'd better completely lay
> off the shrimp, not push his body into a dangerous reaction. He has
> "tested" that slightly a couple of times, and the last time thought
> it tightened his throat up. I hope that was his imagination.
>
> Anyway, now, at 20, his breath has been pretty bad for a couple of
> years. Until today, he would not hear anything about it... It really
> does have a "digestive-system" kind of smell to it, sort of similar
> to what my breath smelled like when the Middle Age Constipation hit me.

>
> Anybody have suggestions from their own experience?

I read that their was the ideology that you can attain physical immortality by
taking in enough white powder gold and/or dead sea salt water precipitate ormus.
Then storing the highest safest amount of all the trace minerals in the body.
The Annunaki are said to be immortal because of their bread of life and water of
life, which could be shewbread or white powder gold ormus liquid and something
else. You might need some of the other special concoctions of ormus too such as
showbread which I think is silver ormus, or the trace elements that are
considered ormus. 16 or so of the trace minerals are considered ormus elements.
And some of the other types of ormus. I wonder why people that can afford it
aren't testing to find out the highest amount of concentrations of 100+ trace
mineral elements their body can safely store, of those trace mineral elements 16
or 18 of those elements are considered ormus elements. Then it's just a matter
of storing the optimal amount of activated ormus elements through the ormus
blends. But they can get pretty expensive so you'd have to make them yourself
and/or be extremely rich. It's cheaper if you find out the safer concentrations
and how much is optimal to store in the body, and what the limit to safely store
in the body is. Very few people could afford to do it, and even less would try
it. I couldn't imagine what esp and healing ablilities we could unlock by doing
this. It would be good to store in dead sea salt water precipitate ormus with
most of the sodium and other unneeded compounds that are harmful in excess taken
out. It's higher in Gold ormus element, and a good source of the other trace
mineral elements.

I am not sure the question is how much you can put in your body, but
rather how you get your body to resonate those minerals throughout and
on a consistent basis.

Small amounts of quality minerals (tonicgold.com, ambayagold.com) can be
used with shaking or metaphysical energy to radiate or imprint whatever
volume of water you are using for drinking. Ferments imprint especially
easily.  I use one drop of tonicgold in 3 gallons of water and there is
no problem having it be felt throughout the whole 3 gallons.

I would also suggest that the Annunaki are not necessarily a reliable ET
group to base your research upon.  They are not known for their elevated
capacities, so maybe they had to supplement rather than getting their
body to radiate ormus on its own.

--
W. Scott Ferguson
Email: sfergucla@...
Cell: (310) 489-3501

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and contrast different approaches to nutrition.  As this can sometimes get
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I am pretty clueless when it comes to ferments. I have been trying several for
some time and none are ever coming out seamlessly right. So here is a question
that comes from someone with that sort of standpoint.

I made a first attempt at saltwater brine soaked cabbage about 6 months ago. The
first jar I checked soon after making them had mold on top, I assume because I
did not know how to keep the veggies under the brine. So I checked my other jar
and it was not molded, even tho the top was out of the brine, so I did what I
thot to do next and turned it upside down. The lid on that jar is metal.

Six months later, I decided to turn it upright and take the lid off and try it,
and wa-lah, it tastes fine to me. So I got to wondering about that lid. It is a
ball jar lid.

I wouldn't think of using metal with my kombucha and kefir. But now I wonder, is
it OK to use metal lids when fermenting veggies with salt water like this? I
know the liquid is different, but that is about as far as my knowledge and
understanding of ferments goes.

Lyn

Greetings,
Those lids are coated with plastic that contains BPA.  My question is,
why turn it upside down?  Also, Ball makes plastic lids for mason jars,
which I use.

Bright Blessings,
Garth & Kim Travis
www.TheRoseColoredForest.com
Bedias, Texas


On 7/3/2012 8:38 AM, Lyn wrote:
> I am pretty clueless when it comes to ferments. I have been trying several for
some time and none are ever coming out seamlessly right. So here is a question
that comes from someone with that sort of standpoint.
>
> I made a first attempt at saltwater brine soaked cabbage about 6 months ago.
The first jar I checked soon after making them had mold on top, I assume because
I did not know how to keep the veggies under the brine. So I checked my other
jar and it was not molded, even tho the top was out of the brine, so I did what
I thot to do next and turned it upside down. The lid on that jar is metal.
>
> Six months later, I decided to turn it upright and take the lid off and try
it, and wa-lah, it tastes fine to me. So I got to wondering about that lid. It
is a ball jar lid.
>
> I wouldn't think of using metal with my kombucha and kefir. But now I wonder,
is it OK to use metal lids when fermenting veggies with salt water like this? I
know the liquid is different, but that is about as far as my knowledge and
understanding of ferments goes.
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Mineral absorption is actually much more complicated than just swilling some
dead sea salt or even a chelated multi-mineral capsule.  First consider that
some minerals compete with each other for absorption.  Iron is blocked by
calcium, manganese and zinc so forget about absorbing them together from one
source.  Next consider the plant phytates in whole grains, seeds and nuts that
block mineral absorption.  That means you can't have mineral foods with whole
grains, nuts and seeds and expect good absorption.  There are also diseases that
block absorption which may play a factor, for example lack of hydrochloric acid
in the stomach and chronic inflammation (low iron).  When people don't have an
easy way to tell when they are mineral deficient being sure we get enough in
this minefield is difficult.  Is it any wonder osteoporosis rates are so high?

AB

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>>Those lids are coated with plastic that contains BPA. My question is,
why turn it upside down? Also, Ball makes plastic lids for mason jars,
which I use.<<

This jar is not a mason jar. It's just that I never throw a lid away these days
because they are so interchangeable. But I turned it upside down because mold
had grown in the other jar because I did not know how to keep the cabbage below
the brine in either of the two jars and that is the best I could think to do to
not waste all my  cabbage cutting/brine making efforts.

It is quite expensive to live healthy and I just did not know how I could keep
the cabbage weighted down without spending yet more money on those weights
"especially designed" for this use.

Lyn

I am pretty clueless when it comes to ferments. I have been trying several for
some time and none are ever coming out seamlessly right. So here is a question
that comes from someone with that sort of standpoint.
>
> I made a first attempt at saltwater brine soaked cabbage about 6 months ago.
The first jar I checked soon after making them had mold on top, I assume because
I did not know how to keep the veggies under the brine. So I checked my other
jar and it was not molded, even tho the top was out of the brine, so I did what
I thot to do next and turned it upside down. The lid on that jar is metal.
>
> Six months later, I decided to turn it upright and take the lid off and try
it, and wa-lah, it tastes fine to me. So I got to wondering about that lid. It
is a ball jar lid.
>
> I wouldn't think of using metal with my kombucha and kefir. But now I wonder,
is it OK to use metal lids when fermenting veggies with salt water like this? I
know the liquid is different, but that is about as far as my knowledge and
understanding of ferments goes.
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The question was more to do with trace minerals. It's easy to get the other
minerals you mentioned in the body. There are already optimal amounts of the
mineral intake of the ones you mentioned for the body, but not for trace
minerals. Optimal daily amounts of calcium (2.5g), magnesium (400-800mg), iron,
iodine (150mcg), phosphorous, potassium (5g), zinc (varies), manganese, selenium
(450mcg) and others. Raw milk has all of those minerals and more to get in the
optimal amounts, except for maybe iron. Quality raw milk also has the trace
minerals in it. Raw goat's milk is much better for digestion.
 
Usually when you have the overall optimal amount of all the minerals they absorb
together optimally.
 
Fermented codliver oil/high vitamin butter oil also improves calcium's
absorption.

Trace minerals don't have an optimal amount established for intake. There are
100+ trace minerals. You can get trace minerals from sea-salt by replacing
regular salt with it but in order to get higher amounts in you'd want something
like sea-crop that has the sodium removed. You'd have to make your own salt
water precipitate ormus from dead sea salt to get higher amounts of gold in the
body, which I think also has sodium removed in the process. 16 or 18 of the 100+
trace minerals are monatomic elements (not exactly how many there are). So
loading up on those might have a special effect on the body. It's strange too
because there are different methods to create different types of ormus with the
same monatomic elements, which may give different effects and make them more
potent.
 
Thanks,
Daniel Holt
 

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Subject: [NN] Re: Any research into storing safest max amount of 100+ trace
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Mineral absorption is actually much more complicated than just swilling some
dead sea salt or even a chelated multi-mineral capsule.  First consider that
some minerals compete with each other for absorption.  Iron is blocked by
calcium, manganese and zinc so forget about absorbing them together from one
source.  Next consider the plant phytates in whole grains, seeds and nuts that
block mineral absorption.  That means you can't have mineral foods with whole
grains, nuts and seeds and expect good absorption.  There are also diseases
that block absorption which may play a factor, for example lack of hydrochloric
acid in the stomach and chronic inflammation (low iron).  When people don't
have an easy way to tell when they are mineral deficient being sure we get
enough in this minefield is difficult.  Is it any wonder osteoporosis rates are
so high?

AB

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--- In native-nutrition@yahoogroups.com, ly.ninwv@... wrote:

> This jar is not a mason jar. It's just that I never throw a lid away these
days because they are so interchangeable. But I turned it upside down because
mold had grown in the other jar because I did not know how to keep the cabbage
below the brine in either of the two jars and that is the best I could think to
do to not waste all my  cabbage cutting/brine making efforts.
>
> It is quite expensive to live healthy and I just did not know how I could keep
the cabbage weighted down without spending yet more money on those weights
"especially designed" for this use.

Hi Lyn,

When I make sauerkraut I use a slightly smaller lidded jar with water in it as a
weight. I place the jars in a dish to catch the overflow from the fermentation &
cover it all with a loose cloth.

I have heard of others using a plastic bag containing water as a weight. Or a
stone of the 'right' size (sterilised first).

Cheers Jewel

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These questions will probably sound strange. Lanolin in wool appears to contain
crazy high levels of vitamin D. Can a person get vitamin D transdermally from
wearing wool garments or by consuming food touched after handling wool garments?
It may be that all the lanolin is extracted from wool during processing. Can
sheep shearers get too much vitamin D?

The only reason I buy milk is to add to my coffee.  I don't like buying milk
because the only healthy milk raw milk is very expensive and milk sours easily. 
I've also heard that heating milk destroys the beneficial enzymes or bacteria or
whatever.  So I'm looking for a less expensive, healthy coffee creamer with a
long shelf life.  Thanks for any replies.

You could try the "bullet proof" coffee recipe. Add coconut oil and butter to
your coffee and blend it  - about a tablespoon of each. It gets very creamy and
tastes like a latte. You could also make your own almond milk or coconut milk
using either fresh coconut milk or dried coconut.

Kelly

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> The only reason I buy milk is to add to my coffee.  I don't like buying milk
because the only healthy milk raw milk is very expensive and milk sours easily. 
I've also heard that heating milk destroys the beneficial enzymes or bacteria or
whatever.  So I'm looking for a less expensive, healthy coffee creamer with a
long shelf life.  Thanks for any replies.
>

Greetings,
Not all wool sheep are high in lanolin, some like Gulf Coast have very
low lanolin levels.  So, it would depend on the breed of sheep.  Also,
most spinning today is done with washed wools, very well washed wools.
The lanolin is removed before spinning.

Bright Blessings,
Garth & Kim Travis
www.TheRoseColoredForest.com
Bedias, Texas

On 7/26/2012 11:58 AM, lazlo75501 wrote:
> These questions will probably sound strange. Lanolin in wool appears to
contain crazy high levels of vitamin D. Can a person get vitamin D transdermally
from wearing wool garments or by consuming food touched after handling wool
garments? It may be that all the lanolin is extracted from wool during
processing. Can sheep shearers get too much vitamin D?
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This is an interesting question.  I cloth diapered my daughter, using
cotton prefolds and wool covers that you treat with lanolin to make them
waterproof.  I know Vitamin D is used in A&D ointment for diaper rashes.  I
wonder if the lanolin played a role in the practical non-existance of
diaper rash until we switched to PUL covers?  I know the wool is more
breathable in general and I always thought that was the reason, but maybe
there's something more to it.

I am fairly certain the majority of the lanolin is removed by the time the
wool becomes a garment, but lanolin is used in skin creams and ointments
because it has some unique healing properties.  I wonder how much of that
is due to it's Vitamin D content.

-Lana

"We are here to add what we can to life, not to get what we can from life."
- William Osler



On Thu, Jul 26, 2012 at 10:16 AM, Garth & Kim Travis
<gartht@...>wrote:

> Greetings,
> Not all wool sheep are high in lanolin, some like Gulf Coast have very
> low lanolin levels.  So, it would depend on the breed of sheep.  Also,
> most spinning today is done with washed wools, very well washed wools.
> The lanolin is removed before spinning.
>
> Bright Blessings,
> Garth & Kim Travis
> www.TheRoseColoredForest.com <http://www.therosecoloredforest.com/>
> Bedias, Texas
>
> On 7/26/2012 11:58 AM, lazlo75501 wrote:
> > These questions will probably sound strange. Lanolin in wool appears to
> contain crazy high levels of vitamin D. Can a person get vitamin D
> transdermally from wearing wool garments or by consuming food touched after
> handling wool garments? It may be that all the lanolin is extracted from
> wool during processing. Can sheep shearers get too much vitamin D?
>


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2) Please trim your posts.  This means removing quoted messages older than the
most recent one from your post.  When replying to large emails, please prune the
message to contain only the points which you are replying to.  You can replace
the removed text with "<snip>" if you wish to denote where you've altered it.

3) Please proof read your posts at least twice.  Once to verify that you are
getting the message you intend through and once to verify that the way you have
worded things could not possibly be construed as offensive to anyone reading it.
We really appreciate your help keeping this list the friendly community we all
wish it to be.

4) Please do not CC members of the list on your post.  This gives them two
copies of the same email and can result in them inadvertantly replying directly
to you instead of to the entire list.  As our goal here is to discuss these
topics on the list, we request you refrain from CCing members on your posts.

5) Please keep in mind that there are several different ways to eat like native
populations and that it is not guaranteed that others on this list eat the same
way you do.  This is one of the great things about this list - we can compare
and contrast different approaches to nutrition.  As this can sometimes get
heated, we request you do your best to provide references for any claims you
make that are not your personal experience and to mark personal theories clearly
as such.

As a final note: repeated offenses to this list of rules will result in a user
being placed on moderation.

This is different from the NN I'm used to. It used to be easy to follow a thread
by scrolling through the history in my email without having to look it up in the
files. Sometimes  I miss the original message so need to catch up. Frustrating.

Elizabeth

-----Original Message-----
>From: native-nutrition@yahoogroups.com
>Sent: Aug 1, 2012 12:22 AM
>To: native-nutrition@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: [NN] File - Group "Rules"
>
>
>There are several manners that, while common on email groups, I am reiterating
here to ensure everyone is aware of them.
>
>1) Please sign your posts with your name.
>
>2) Please trim your posts.  This means removing quoted messages older than the
most recent one from your post.  When replying to large emails, please prune the
message to contain only the points which you are replying to.  You can replace
the removed text with "<snip>" if you wish to denote where you've altered it.

Elizabeth,

Trimming messages properly is a courtesy to those who receive digest
format, which puts all of the posts into one (sometimes very long) email.
There is nothing new about this rule, however, it isn't strictly enforced
since most members on this list are not moderated.

  There are several email programs and providers which provide "threading"
options that will help you view your email more easily.  Microsoft Outlook
does it (Outlook comes with Office), as does GMail, both of which can be
configured to send and receive your existing email address.  Gmail also
happens to be free.

Please look into using one of these options to remedy your frustration.
Feel free to let me know if you need any assistance by emailing me
privately.

Thanks!

-Lana

"We are here to add what we can to life, not to get what we can from life."
- William Osler



On Wed, Aug 1, 2012 at 5:38 AM, Elizabeth Parashis
<artpages@...>wrote:

> This is different from the NN I'm used to. It used to be easy to follow a
> thread by scrolling through the history in my email without having to look
> it up in the files. Sometimes  I miss the original message so need to catch
> up. Frustrating.
>
> Elizabeth


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