Ms. Fallon Morell estimates that as many as one million people in the
United States regularly consume unpasteurized milk and that the
number is “rising very quickly,” reflecting trends toward organic and
locally produced food diets...

http://tinyurl.com/ygbomp9

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My best guess would be that the extra Mg is causing an electrolyte imbalance
- are you getting enough calcium, potassium and sodium?

-Lana

"The art of simplicity is a puzzle of complexity."  -Douglas Horton


On Tue, Nov 17, 2009 at 8:02 AM, laughingpeace <laughingpeace@...>wrote:

> Hello!
>
> Last week I finally got in some nigari flakes to make a Magnesum Chloride
> spray.  Has anyone else had issues with getting a headache, and kind of
> feeling foggy headed after using the spray?  The first night I sprayed and
> rubbed in about 8 squirts.  It did tingle and I expected that.... but that
> night I got a mild headache and I don't think I really slept at all.  I kind
> of just calmly laid awake all night long, it seems like.  I've reduced the
> sprays to about 4 squirts every other day, but I almost always get this
> headache.  Could it be detox or maybe I'm just not supposed to be doing this
> for some reason?
>
> I had kind of noticed that when I took epson salt baths I would sometimes
> get a headache afterwards.
>
> What do you think?
>
> Thanks,
> Judy
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>


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I've also been trying to google any kind of information on side effects and
haven't come up with anything negative at all.  Everything I've read says
magnesium should be curing headaches.  Hmmmm, I'll keep searching.

Thanks,
Judy

--- In native-nutrition@yahoogroups.com, "laughingpeace" <laughingpeace@...>
wrote:
>
> Hello!
>
> Last week I finally got in some nigari flakes to make a Magnesum Chloride
spray.  Has anyone else had issues with getting a headache, and kind of feeling
foggy headed after using the spray?  The first night I sprayed and rubbed in
about 8 squirts.  It did tingle and I expected that.... but that night I got a
mild headache and I don't think I really slept at all.  I kind of just calmly
laid awake all night long, it seems like.  I've reduced the sprays to about 4
squirts every other day, but I almost always get this headache.  Could it be
detox or maybe I'm just not supposed to be doing this for some reason?
>
> I had kind of noticed that when I took epson salt baths I would sometimes get
a headache afterwards.
>
> What do you think?
>
> Thanks,
> Judy
>

Paul, I believe what you say is true.  However, I am wondering if you can give
me a good reference for this piece of information.

I am studying to become a nutritionist and it is important to me to have the
references to support what I teach people.



Thanks so much!



"When insulin levels are above a certain levels, the body cannot take fat out of
storage."

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Hello!

Last week I finally got in some nigari flakes to make a Magnesum Chloride spray.
Has anyone else had issues with getting a headache, and kind of feeling foggy
headed after using the spray?  The first night I sprayed and rubbed in about 8
squirts.  It did tingle and I expected that.... but that night I got a mild
headache and I don't think I really slept at all.  I kind of just calmly laid
awake all night long, it seems like.  I've reduced the sprays to about 4 squirts
every other day, but I almost always get this headache.  Could it be detox or
maybe I'm just not supposed to be doing this for some reason?

I had kind of noticed that when I took epson salt baths I would sometimes get a
headache afterwards.

What do you think?

Thanks,
Judy

--- In native-nutrition@yahoogroups.com, "crayfishfeed" <crayfishfeed@...>
wrote:
>
> I was thinking about this one
>
http://www.canaryclub.org/productmenu-combo-kit-comprehensive-profile-hormone-zr\
t.html

I did saliva hormone testing through Canary club. At that time you could choose
ZRT or Diagnostechs. I chose Diagnostechs (because they did saliva thyroid
tests, but stopped that by the time they got my sample :o(

If I had ordered the tests through a doctor, I could have got more comprehensive
testing done, which in hindsight I should have done, then I might know why my
body isn't turning excess progesterone (from over-supplementing) into cortisol
(which I am low in). Diagnostechs have a web site.

So I reckon the basic test is good to give you an idea of where you are at, but
if something is 'out' then more testing may be needed to find out why. It was
good to get proof of adrenal fatigue, which my doctor (at the time) said doesn't
exist - my new doctor has been trying to help me with the adrenal fatigue - but
getting pregnant didn't help (oops).

Jewel

Unfortunately I don't think this type of research will come to much good. The
recent lawsuit against Danon for false advertising over their b.l. regularis is
just the tip of the ice berg as big food starts to tinker with our guts.

This type of research is going to lead to GMO probiotics,  anti-obesity
antibiotics and lord know what else.

Obesity is caused by too much carbohydrate. "Everyone" knew this from the middle
of the 19th to the middle of the 20th century. Too much carbohydrate results in
insulin levels that are too high. Insulin is the fat storage hormone. When
insulin levels are above a certain levels, the body cannot take fat out of
storage. The key solving the obesity problem is to lower people's insulin
levels.

Heart disease is caused by inadequate collagen production in the vascular
system. Collagen gives arteries strength. Atherosclerosis is an adaptation to
this problem. It as an alternative method of strengthen arteries. Fresh meat
provides hydroxlysine and hydroyproline, the building blocks of collagen. This
is why it cures and prevents scurvy. Ascorbic acid can be used to produce
hydroxlysine and hydroxyproline so it is another mechanism to prevent
atherosclerosis (and scurvy). Glucose competes with ascorbic acid so sugar is a
major cause of heart disease. Polyunsaturated fatty acids is another major cause
because it produces free radicals which damage the collagen-poor arteries.

Cheers,

Paul

--- In native-nutrition@yahoogroups.com, "thiscanthappen" <writetruth@...>
wrote:
>
> Whenever someone has heart disease, they say it's because of fat.  In all
these anti-fat years I have yet to hear that someone died of a high-sugar diet. 
In other words, people never "eat too much sugar".  Living people are instructed
not to eat "too much" sugar, and never, when somebody dies, that was too much.
> The occasional article, like this one, which discusses the demerits of sugar,
has to throw fat in too!  Of course the old- and new-style pyramids placed them
in the tip together as "eat sparingly".  That doesn't mean they couldn't ONCE
say sugar causes damage without fat to assist it.
>
> LAURA...
>
> --- In native-nutrition@yahoogroups.com, "Joni" <jonisare@> wrote:
> >
> > hmmmm, could this be why headaches, moods, ADHD, etc come on so fast:
> >
> > "....They found that in less than 24 hours the gut's microbial populations
changed abruptly...."
> >
> >
> > http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=120318757&sc=fb&cc=fp
> >
> >
> > The Gut Response To What We Eat
> >
> > by Nell Greenfieldboyce
> >
> > November 12, 2009
> >
> > A new study suggests that a high-fat and high-sugar diet can dramatically
affect the microbes living in your gut.
> >
> > A high-fat, high-sugar diet can quickly and dramatically change the
population of microbes living in the digestive tract, according.....
> >
> > Joni
> >
>

A farmer in Florida is pushing the envelope by bucking pasteurization
regulations in milk. The milk is safe to drink as long as the cows
are healthy, the farmer says...
http://www.campusprogress.org/fieldreport/4823/the-raw-milk-revolution



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I did a saliva-only test through NeuroScience Inc. - progesterone, estriol,
estradiol, estrone, testosterone, androsterone, cortisol and DHEA.  If I were to
repeat, however, I'd drop some of those and replace with thyroid hormones. 
Neuroscience's test are a la carte - and I think about $17/test.  But I think
you have to be working with an MD or someone who works with an MD (in my case, I
was working with a holistic RN who works in an office with a holistic MD).  I'm
not sure on this point, though.

-jennifer


On Nov 15, 2009, at 1:10 PM, crayfishfeed wrote:

> I was thinking about this one
>
http://www.canaryclub.org/productmenu-combo-kit-comprehensive-profile-hormone-zr\
t.html
>
> In case the link doesn't work it tests
> A complete adrenal function panel in addition to an assessment of reproductive
hormone levels and complete thyroid panel in an all-in-one, easy-to-use Home
Saliva & Blood Spot Kit.
>
> In Saliva
> In Blood Spot
> Estradiol (E2)  freeT3
> Progesterone (Pg)  freeT4
> Testosterone (T)  TSH
> DHEA-S (DS)  TPO
> Cortisol (4 times)
>
>
> Our COMBO kit provides a comprehensive assessment of your thyroid,
reproductive and adrenal hormones. Hormonal symptoms often overlap with one
another so a full evaluation of a patient's overall hormonal profile is critical
in diagnosing the core issues.
>

Never used them, but I've heard a lot of good things about CanaryClub.

-Lana

"The art of simplicity is a puzzle of complexity."  -Douglas Horton


On Sun, Nov 15, 2009 at 11:10 AM, crayfishfeed <crayfishfeed@...>wrote:

> I was thinking about this one
>
>
http://www.canaryclub.org/productmenu-combo-kit-comprehensive-profile-hormone-zr\
t.html
>
> In case the link doesn't work it tests
> A complete adrenal function panel in addition to an assessment of
> reproductive hormone levels and complete thyroid panel in an all-in-one,
> easy-to-use Home Saliva & Blood Spot Kit.
>
>
> In Saliva
>                          In Blood Spot
>  Estradiol (E2)             freeT3
>  Progesterone (Pg)          freeT4
>  Testosterone (T)             TSH
>  DHEA-S (DS)                  TPO
>  Cortisol (4 times)
>
>
> Our COMBO kit provides a comprehensive assessment of your thyroid,
> reproductive and adrenal hormones. Hormonal symptoms often overlap with one
> another so a full evaluation of a patient's overall hormonal profile is
> critical in diagnosing the core issues.
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>


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It even gets perpetuated by contributors to WAPF.  One of the columnists under
"following in his footsteps" thought it makes you fat unless you exercise it
off.

LAURA

--- In native-nutrition@yahoogroups.com, Laree Kline <lareekline@...> wrote:
>
>
> I heard that report too and they make some valid points.  But they did manage
to blame fat again!  First, they start with the assumption that fat will make
you fat, as in "a healthy low-fat plant based mouse chow".  I'ts already been
disproven in research that fat does not make you fat unless you eat it in
excess, but it keeps getting perpetuated by poor science and the media anyway.
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

Whenever someone has heart disease, they say it's because of fat.  In all these
anti-fat years I have yet to hear that someone died of a high-sugar diet.  In
other words, people never "eat too much sugar".  Living people are instructed
not to eat "too much" sugar, and never, when somebody dies, that was too much.
The occasional article, like this one, which discusses the demerits of sugar,
has to throw fat in too!  Of course the old- and new-style pyramids placed them
in the tip together as "eat sparingly".  That doesn't mean they couldn't ONCE
say sugar causes damage without fat to assist it.

LAURA...

--- In native-nutrition@yahoogroups.com, "Joni" <jonisare@...> wrote:
>
> hmmmm, could this be why headaches, moods, ADHD, etc come on so fast:
>
> "....They found that in less than 24 hours the gut's microbial populations
changed abruptly...."
>
>
> http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=120318757&sc=fb&cc=fp
>
>
> The Gut Response To What We Eat
>
> by Nell Greenfieldboyce
>
> November 12, 2009
>
> A new study suggests that a high-fat and high-sugar diet can dramatically
affect the microbes living in your gut.
>
> A high-fat, high-sugar diet can quickly and dramatically change the population
of microbes living in the digestive tract, according.....
>
> Joni
>

I was thinking about this one
http://www.canaryclub.org/productmenu-combo-kit-comprehensive-profile-hormone-zr\
t.html

In case the link doesn't work it tests
A complete adrenal function panel in addition to an assessment of reproductive
hormone levels and complete thyroid panel in an all-in-one, easy-to-use Home
Saliva & Blood Spot Kit.


In Saliva
	 	           In Blood Spot
  Estradiol (E2)  	    freeT3
  Progesterone (Pg)     freeT4
  Testosterone (T)       TSH
  DHEA-S (DS)  	      TPO
  Cortisol (4 times)


Our COMBO kit provides a comprehensive assessment of your thyroid, reproductive
and adrenal hormones. Hormonal symptoms often overlap with one another so a full
evaluation of a patient's overall hormonal profile is critical in diagnosing the
core issues.

Subject: The most coherent vaccine speech by a physician/Nun in Spanish/English
subtitles

Physician/nun delivers the most coherent history of the current H1N1 vaccine
pandemic and its political underpinnings I ever heard.
Very clear!   Eileen

At last, in Spanish!   Pass this you/tube series to your Hispanic friends and
Spanish speaking, workers and colleagues, everywhere
ASAP.

thanks Diana:


There are 6

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A0JqQyl09zQ







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http://www.lewrockwell.com/sardi/sardi134.html



The Flu Vaccine Horror Story You Never Heard About

by Bill Sardi <mailto:BSardi@...>

Recently by Bill Sardi: Why Isn <http://lewrockwell.com/sardi/sardi133.html> 't
the H1N1 Pandemic Flu Being Investigated as a
Designed Bioweapon?

  <http://adserve.lewrockwell.com/www/delivery/ck.php?n=a39b1c5b&>


Pregnant women face an unusual and stressful challenge this year. How do they
really know, with all of the outright false and
misleading information distributed by public health agencies, that this year's
flu shot is safe?

An online <http://miscarriage.about.com/gi/pages/poll.htm?poll_id=4231429812> 
poll reveals 414 of 552 women (75%) would not undergo
flu vaccination against the H1N1 pandemic flu. Yet pregnant women are considered
to be in a high-risk group for flu-related
mortality.

Pregnant women are chatting on internet message boards, and the following
reports, if true, are a bit horrifying. Here are some from
an About.com site, monitored by Krissi Danielsson. (Numbers refer to the online
posting.)

Read this recent posting:

November 3, 2009 at 4:30 pm
(8)
<http://miscarriage.about.com/b/2009/09/29/some-pregnant-women-fearful-of-h1n1-v\
accine.htm/oPermanent%20link%20to%20comment%20#comme
nt-8#comment-8>  Connie says:
I also received the H1N1 vaccination on October 22nd, 2009 and went into labor
on October 25th, at 16 weeks pregnant and we just
heard the heartbeat and everything was fine with my pregnancy on October 16th,
2009, then on October 28th my water broke then on
October 29th, I delivered a stillborn baby boy, and no one can tell me
why.Everyone wants to say it did not come from the shot but I
believe it did. My baby was growing at the correct pace and everyone wants to
brush off the vaccination. I say if you have the
vaccination and suffer a miscarriage if they are able to perform an autopsy have
it done.

There are more stories like these:

October 26, 2009 at 11:07 am
(2)
<http://miscarriage.about.com/b/2009/09/29/some-pregnant-women-fearful-of-h1n1-v\
accine.htm/oPermanent%20link%20to%20comment%20#comme
nt-2>  Regrets says:|
I got both vaccines on Thursday. I was 9 weeks pregnant. I miscarried on Sunday.
I was told by several doctors to get these
vaccines. Now I wish I followed my gut feeling and not get them at ALL!




October 29, 2009 at 8:33 am
(3)
<http://miscarriage.about.com/b/2009/09/29/some-pregnant-women-fearful-of-h1n1-v\
accine.htm/oPermanent%20link%20to%20comment%20#comme
nt-3>  :( says:
I work in a hospital like setting and was told 'the benefits outweigh the risks"
1am I got the vaccine, 3am I started bleeding and
cramming, 3pm miscarried. You decide

October 31, 2009 at 1:29 pm|
(4)
<http://miscarriage.about.com/b/2009/09/29/some-pregnant-women-fearful-of-h1n1-v\
accine.htm/oPermanent%20link%20to%20comment%20#comme
nt-4>  sue says:
I had the H1N1 vaccination and 24 hours later had a miscarriage

Frankly, these could all be coincidence, but then again, read this posting:

November 6, 2009 at 11:00 am
(40)
<http://miscarriage.about.com/b/2009/09/29/some-pregnant-women-fearful-of-h1n1-v\
accine.htm/oPermanent%20link%20to%20comment%20#comme
nt-40#comment-40>  kathy-sd says:
I'm from a town of 2000 in SD, there are several women pregnant and we are all
due within a few weeks of each other. Four of us got
the H1N1 vaccine 2 weeks ago and one by one each of us started to have preterm
contractions. We are all due in Nov and Dec so we are
further along than most of the people that lost their babies. There is no way
you can tell us that our preterm labor was not caused
by the H1N1 vaccine. It may look like a "fluke" to some people when these women
are scattered all over the country but we are
talking about 4 of us in our small community. My heart goes out to all of you
that lost your babies.

There are more pregnancy/flu-shot horror stories involving stillbirths you can
find here
<http://miscarriage.about.com/b/2009/09/29/some-pregnant-women-fearful-of-h1n1-v\
accine.htm> .

Yet pregnant women have been told that the vaccine is safe and they are told
they are in a high-risk group for flu-related
mortality. (Flu-related death does not appear to be due to the flu but rather
the treatment for the flu. See here
<http://www.lewrockwell.com/sardi/sardi125.html> .)

The H1N1 pandemic vaccine has only recently undergone testing in pregnant
females. A report
<http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2009/11/091102172431.htm>  says "To date,
the vaccine appears to be well-tolerated, and no
safety concerns related to the vaccine have arisen."

Poland rejects the vaccine

But a health minister in Poland speaks out on YouTube, stating that there are
numerous websites for manufacturers of this year's
H1N1 pandemic flu vaccine, yet she cannot find reports of any unwanted side
effects for these vaccines. Poland has elected to avoid
use of the vaccine among pregnant women.

Polish health minister Zdrowia challenges her medical colleagues: "I would like
you to visit any of these (vaccine manufacturer)
websites and find any unwanted side effect. Any slightest thing, at least one,
like allergical skin rash. That can happen even with
using the safest medicine. There are none on those websites. It is a 'perfect
medicine'."

She then goes on to ask, why, if this vaccine is perfectly safe, do
manufacturers seek exemption from legal recourse by patients
harmed by the vaccine?

  Stillbirths and the flu

The horror for these women is that they dutifully followed their doctor's advice
to get inoculated for the H1N1 influenza and lost
their pregnancy and now wonder if vaccination was the cause of their lost
pregnancy.

About 26,000 stillbirths occur in the US every year (~70 per day), and an
estimated 3.2 million worldwide. [Obstetrics Gynecology
<http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19888051>  2009 Oct; 114(4):901-14.] Just
how many stillbirths or birth defects are caused by
flu infection during pregnancy has been difficult to ascertain.

Studies involving stillbirths are recognized to be flawed. They almost entirely
rely upon hospital births which are obviously skewed
towards problem pregnancies.

The scuttlebutt circulating on the internet is that some 50 percent of pregnant
women experience stillbirths or lose their pregnancy
anyway (which is erroneous), so how can the loss of a pregnancy be blamed on a
flu shot?

It is generally believed that infection of any kind, bacterial or viral, may
increase the risk for stillbirth.

It is estimated, in developed countries, between 10% and 25% of stillbirths may
be caused by an infection (virus, bacteria,
protozoa). [Seminars Fetal Neonatal
<http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19285457>  Medicine 2009 Aug; 14(4):182-9.]
But again, this
a broad guesstimate.



Chart shows the absolute number of stillbirths in Kanagawa (A) and Osaka (B),
Japan, in the years prior to and during the Spanish
flu pandemic. The continuous line represents the number of anticipated
stillbirths in the absence of the flu, and the circles
represent the observed number of stillbirths in a given month.




Only very recently has a reliable report been produced regarding stillbirths and
influenza. During the Spanish flu, health
authorities in Japan accurately recorded stillbirths during the pre-pandemic
period of 1913-1917, and the pandemic period 1918-1920.
About 7.5 to 9.0 percent of births in two cities (Osaka, Kanagawa) during the
1918 flu pandemic were stillborn.

Using this 1918 data as a model, given 30,000 stillbirths per year among 1.1
million pregnant women in Japan today, which represents
2.7% of births, the flu would increase this number by an additional 3000-9000
stillbirths, to about 3.5% of births. That would be an
increase of less than one stillbirth per 100 live births. [Obstetrics 
<http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19679387> & Gynecology
and Reproductive Biology 147 (2009) 111-115]




If this 1918 model were applied to the US today, where there are ~4 million
births annually, there would be about 32,000 excess
stillbirths due to the flu. But that number is obviously flawed because it
represents more than all the stillbirths reported
annually in the US.

The problem is this model is based upon an unprecedented flu outbreak in 1918
which no other pandemic can be compared to in severity
or loss of life. There were previously unrecognized factors, such as the only
recently recognized worldwide over-use of aspirin
<http://www.lewrockwell.com/sardi/sardi125.html>  to control fever during the
1918 Spanish flu which may have induced vitamin C
deficiency and lung inflammation (pulmonary edema), with resultant mortality.

The question remains, do pregnant women face a significant increased risk for
stillbirth due to the flu? If not, why vaccinate?

Vaccination during pregnancy




The customary practice for pregnant women has been to advise against any
vaccination of any kind during pregnancy and to receive
inoculation against measles, hepatitis B, mumps and tetanus prior to pregnancy
or following birth. [International Journal
<http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/8094357>  Gynaecology Obstetrics. 1993 Jan;
40(1):69-79]

Yes, it is true, that a controlled study did recently show that flu shots reduce
influenza-like illness by more than 30% among
pregnant women and reduce the viral count in the blood circulation among 63% of
pregnant women and infants. [Obstetrics Gynecology
<http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19622998>  2009 Aug; 114(2 Pt 1):365-8]

Yes, fine, the flu shot prevents flu-related illness, the characteristic fever,
diarrhea and cough. Yet the question remains, does
the flu shot reduce flu-related mortality and stillbirths, and is there any
possibility that flu vaccination in any way might
increase the risk for stillbirth?

Higher flu-related maternal mortality was reported in 1918 and 1957 flu
outbreaks, but not in other years. Rates of hospitalization
have been significantly elevated due to seasonal flu infection beginning in the
1st trimester of pregnancy, but vaccination to
prevent serious outcomes is yet to be demonstrated.

Vaccination against influenza is recommended in the US for all women who will be
pregnant during the influenza season to prevent the
occurrence of influenza and the development of pneumonia. There is still no firm
evidence that maternal influenza infection is
associated with an increased risk of spontaneous abortion, stillbirth, birth
defects, or mortality. [Nippon Rinsho
<http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17037370> 2006 Oct; 64(10):1930-3]

Why not let pregnant women endure the symptoms of their bout with the flu and
avoid any untoward side effects caused by the vaccine?

Canadian researchers say "evidence is otherwise insufficient to recommend
routine seasonal flu vaccination as the standard of
practice for all healthy women beginning in early pregnancy." [Vaccine.
<http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19515466>  2009 Jul 30;
27(35):4754-70] That certainly is not what American women are hearing.

Health authorities in Switzerland
<http://thekatycapsule.com/wordpress/switzerland-forbids-swine-flu-vaccine-for-p\
regnant-women/>
do not permit use of the H1N1 pandemic flu vaccine among pregnant women this flu
season (2009-10).

  <http://www.1shoppingcart.com/app/aftrack.asp?afid=662456> 
<http://www.1shoppingcart.com/app/aftrack.asp?afid=662456>
<http://www.1shoppingcart.com/app/aftrack.asp?afid=662456> 
<http://www.1shoppingcart.com/app/aftrack.asp?afid=662456> The question
why pregnant women should rush to be vaccinated popped into the mind of one
woman who wrote:

November 9, 2009 at 3:32 pm
(173)
<http://miscarriage.about.com/b/2009/09/29/some-pregnant-women-fearful-of-h1n1-v\
accine.htm/oPermanent%20link%20to%20comment%20#comme
nt-173#comment-173>  Beth says:
It baffles me that if a woman has a miscarriage during the flu, the flu is the
immediate cause for miscarriage, and reason why
pregnant women should rush to be vaccinated? However, if a woman has a
miscarriage the day after a vaccine, they are told it is
"not" the vaccine. I'm sorry. That makes no sense.

Imagine the anxiety pregnant women are undergoing this flu season. A pregnant
woman, after reading online accounts of stillbirths
following flu vaccination, writes:

November 9, 2009 at 11:57 am
(161)
<http://miscarriage.about.com/b/2009/09/29/some-pregnant-women-fearful-of-h1n1-v\
accine.htm/oPermanent%20link%20to%20comment%20#comme
nt-161#comment-161>  J says:
I'm 7 months pregnant and had the vaccination 2 weeks ago, I am absolutely
terrified after reading this.

November 13, 2009

Bill Sardi [send him mail <mailto:BSardi@...> ] is a frequent writer on
health and political topics. His health writings can be
found at www.naturalhealthlibrarian.com. He is the author of You
<http://www.1shoppingcart.com/app/aftrack.asp?afid=662456>  Don't
Have To Be Afraid Of Cancer Anymore.

Copyright C 2009 Bill Sardi Word of Knowledge Agency, San Dimas, California.
This article has been written exclusively for
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than post at other URLs.





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"Pesticides, insecticides, herbicides, antibiotics, growth hormones
and milk stimulants are harmful to both people and animals," said
Carol Pinckard, owner and operator of Fair Meadow Farm, an East Texas
ranch that focuses primarily on dairy goats...

http://tinyurl.com/yatr7ax

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Thanks for this, Carolyn!
Has anyone tried their Coconut Oil? Is it anywhere near as good as Nutiva brand?

Gina

--- In native-nutrition@yahoogroups.com, Carolyn Graff <zgraff@...> wrote:
>
> http://www.greenpasture.org/community/
>
> savings of 25-45%  off the standard retail price on many selected
> items - CLO, butter oil, coconut oil, coconut ghee
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

I didn't listen to the program and just scanned the article.  Did they specify
what kind of fat?  Fat means something different to the mainstream and scientist
than it does to us native nutrition eaters.  When I think of fat, I think of
lard but the picture showed a doughnut which implies transfats.  I don't think I
can take this seriously.  The sad part is many people will.

Joan

--- In native-nutrition@yahoogroups.com, "Joni" <jonisare@...> wrote:
>
> hmmmm, could this be why headaches, moods, ADHD, etc come on so fast:
>
> "....They found that in less than 24 hours the gut's microbial populations
changed abruptly...."
>
>
> http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=120318757&sc=fb&cc=fp
>
>
> The Gut Response To What We Eat
>
> by Nell Greenfieldboyce
>
> November 12, 2009
>
> A new study suggests that a high-fat and high-sugar diet can dramatically
affect the microbes living in your gut.
>
> A high-fat, high-sugar diet can quickly and dramatically change the population
of microbes living in the digestive tract, according.....
>
> Joni
>

Thought this might be of some interest, especially to folks who are in
Wisconsin.
-jennifer



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> From: American Association for Health Freedom <office@...>
> Date: November 13, 2009 12:15:01 PM EST
> Subject: Protect Your Access to Highly Qualified Nutritionists!
> Reply-To: American Association for Health Freedom <office@...>
>
> Protect your access to highly qualified nutritionists!
> Contact your Assemblyperson today!
>
>  AB440, companion legislation to SB115, will force highly qualified
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nutritional therapy to an organization that is historically geared toward the
practice of dietetics.  The bill is currently pending in the Committee on Health
and Healthcare Reform and your concerns need to be heard.
>
> If the current law in Wisconsin for ‘certification of dietetics’ is going to
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such as the Certification Board for Nutrition Specialists through the American
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>
> Over the past several years, the ADA has been pressing state legislatures to
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>
> AB440:
>
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> Only grandfathers ‘certified dietitians’ and individuals registered with ADA;
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I heard that report too and they make some valid points.  But they did manage to
blame fat again!  First, they start with the assumption that fat will make you
fat, as in "a healthy low-fat plant based mouse chow".  I'ts already been
disproven in research that fat does not make you fat unless you eat it in
excess, but it keeps getting perpetuated by poor science and the media anyway.

There are several other flaws in this study, or at least in the part they're
reporting on the news.  They don't mention what high-fat, high-sugar foods were
fed to the mice, only that they were high-fat and high-sugar.  Their number one
huge mistake here is that they have too many variables.  If they didn't test the
high-fat separately from high-sugar, they don't know which variable caused the
restructuring of the microflora.  It's already proven that sugar can do that all
by itself.

Then they don't make any distinctions about what kind of fats were used, even
though we all know that transfats aren't natural and are killers.  Perhaps bad
fats alone could cause restructuring.  But they're lumping all fat together as
bad.

So, once again, fats get a bad rap in the media even though every cell membrane
in our body is made up of various kinds of fats that are of the utmost
importance to our health, determining what does and doesn't get into our cells! 
Do they ever stop to consider that if all fats were really bad for us, there
would be no such thing as human life?  There is no French Paradox, only stuck
old thought thinking and flawed research!!!

Too bad, as this research could have actually found out if any kinds of fats,
good and/or bad, cause restructuring.



My rant for the day.....

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http://www.greenpasture.org/community/

savings of 25-45%  off the standard retail price on many selected
items - CLO, butter oil, coconut oil, coconut ghee

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I am wondering, does anyone know how many macaroons a person needs to
eat to equal about 3 Tbsps of coconut oil?
--
Betty in Lehi

Raising dairy cows on pastureland seems as natural as growing
tomatoes in the backyard. Yet, most dairy cows in the U.S are raised
in enclosed, confined systems. Feed is grown, harvested and mixed
with grain and other additives. While energy and other input prices
were low for farmers, this system provided inexpensive, safe dairy
products...

http://tinyurl.com/yaaauqt



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hmmmm, could this be why headaches, moods, ADHD, etc come on so fast:

"....They found that in less than 24 hours the gut's microbial populations
changed abruptly...."


http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=120318757&sc=fb&cc=fp


The Gut Response To What We Eat

by Nell Greenfieldboyce

November 12, 2009

A new study suggests that a high-fat and high-sugar diet can dramatically affect
the microbes living in your gut.

A high-fat, high-sugar diet can quickly and dramatically change the population
of microbes living in the digestive tract, according.....

Joni

Here is a blunt article that feels resources will run out if population
increases:

http://tiny.cc/DZJQv

Here are two articles that feel resources aren't a problem but rather the
organization and care of resources are the real issues:

http://tiny.cc/OFtbT

http://tiny.cc/JMvzq

I can't see a shortage in water.  I don't feel water needs to be consumed by
people directly, as we can get it from raw milk, meat, and the vegetation we
eat.

It is apparent that there are issues with the resources our economy promotes. 
While oil won't be necessary in the future the issue is how to shift to other
resources when it runs out.  It's apparent we can switch oil with a more
abundant and efficient resource in the future that won't run out.

I personally look around and see things getting worse.  What will it take for
our world to turn around from the chaos that is multiplying.

So perhaps all it will take is an attitude change from the people of what they
value, just what class means, and what they want to invest into.  Hard to say. 
I'd like to hear a well thought out argument for both sides.  This is what I
have so far.

A very relevant question is "Under the optimal conditions can mankind thrive
with an expanding population with unlimited resources for centuries to come"?

Many researchers are obviously short sited because they aren't knowledgeable
enough on more optimal management of resources and more efficient alternative
resources.

I think the biggest problems that attribute to the world's condition today are
Greed and Ignorance.

Dan Holt




________________________________
From: Daniel H <danthemanholt@...>
To: native-nutrition@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wed, November 11, 2009 6:27:42 AM
Subject: [NN] Re: POLITICAL: Obama's Agricultural Sec Vilsack



Hey Chris, I thought I'd continue this topic with a couple web-sites that raise
questions...

I also thought I'd share with you more of where I stand with this.  I'll start
with this topic and then share the web-sites and my other opinions.

Try reading Dr. David R. Hawkins book "Truth vs. Falsehood" for a very
interesting view on politics.  It's a good alternative to the diarhea
regurgitated and absolutely annoying lamebrain shit of Mr. O' Reilly and all the
other influential members of society that brainwash their bullshit on to us. 
Maybe I'm wrong.  Maybe I'm crazey and I'm just not correctly interpreting their
valuable information.

Also, if you're interested in subjects such as alternative governments, a better
ran society, and the different concept of ruler's opinions, their
positionalities, and the pros and cons of their ideas watch this series,
especially episodes 36-42 of this "cartoon".  This helped mold my opinion. 
Sounds immature huh?  Although I see fact in this fictional fantasy, I don't
completely agree with the series viewpoints.  It does a decent job of covering
soveriegns, dictatorships, democracies, population control, and "utopian
societies" with their "superior race".

http://tiny. cc/TZWGz

I am for a democratic oligarchy republic that has the other branches that hold
it in place with a "checks and balances" system, all classes and ranks of people
have the ability to interact and make this government work more efficiently with
the best of their interests and to maintain balance with humanity and nature. 
Everybody needs the ability to freely questions eachother and work out issues
such as economy, laws, etc.  Lately though there's too much selfishness and one
sidedness.  A Presidency is like a soveriegn, but there's too much corruption,
opposing viewpoints that don't work together, and the fulfilling of parties
interests rather than what's best for everybody in the long run.  Why if there
really is an optimal answer and approach to everything our world leaders are so
divided?  I think then if their is an optimal way of doing things then we need
to combine the best of everyone and turn it all into one cooperative movement. 
Let's kill a
  hundred cajillion birds with one stone rather than one at a time, while 2
billion other birds muliply and multiply.  Metaphor: bird/issues kill/resolve. 
We really need to put a system in place where integrity is a high priority, a
business like government where you get demoted for incompetence and someone more
fit for the position takes that person's place.  By all this I don't mean to
increase Government.. .with more competent people in power there would be less
people running it overall, as a very competent person can literally do the job
of 10 less competent people.  Especially with a reorganization it's hard to
imagine how much more efficient any government can be ran.  For example: I can
do the job of 5 less competent workers at my job, and in fact I even played the
role of my manager.  Obviously I worked with very devolved people so my
competence threatens their job, thus I don't belong there.  However, with
running our country such theoretical
  competent people are necessary and important while it is not for a white trash
backwater crimelord company.

So here is a very interesting link that simplifies the population subject and
includes an insightful chart:

http://tiny. cc/Z5W1P

Here's a couple other links that may be of interest:

http://tiny. cc/FOBwZ

http://tiny. cc/BdUZp

http://tiny. cc/ZybrN

People need to stop doing what they want to do that goes against the big picture
of what will maintain the balance and prosperity if they would instead do what
has to be done.

So there may be a chance our world population could grow.  In a perfect world I
wouldn't mind being stuck with 100 billion people, but in reality this creates
problems.  Lower standard of living, less education, more crime, more injustice,
loss of tradition.  If we all had a higher level of awareness there could be 1
trillion Buddhas on this planet, perfectly happy in their nirvana sitting 1 foot
away from eachother in a meditation therefore no need to eat and no need to work
out any problems as their is none.  That is not the reality of what will happen
and I would hardly call the standard of modern day China or India as ideal.  If
we could all co-exist in peaceful harmony with eachother and climb up our
spiritual ladder with just as much opportunity of today if not more I am all for
a ginormous population.

We seriously need to work out resource organization.  It's apparent fish are
running out.  From what I've seen you can't really run out of cows, chickens,
potatoes, so let's really look into changing what we market.  If we enforced
better standards we may cure most illnesses.  So much meat gets wasted.  With
any resource period we would need to work out how it gets distributed.  It would
be nice to shift from money to having a money free society that works to share
resources with eachother freely, peacefully, and abundantly.  Star Trek style. 
Everyone seems to be ignoring the problems and it's going to come back and
painfully bite our asses off.

I hope I don't sound like Adolf Hitler, after reviewing his work I really don't
feel like he had any true resolutions, and was a very forceful and destructive
person.  Like all war mongering oppressive dictators.  Very strategic, very
effective with application, but for all the wrong reasons and with out humanity
or true positive solutions.

It's so annoying when there is so much biased information out there you can't go
to a definitive source for truth.  I don't believe Dr. Phil, Lance Armstrong,
Bill O' Reilly, Oprah Winfrey, with all of their influence in the world are
doing it justice.  Where are the straightforward teachers that offer something
good?  The most unbiased source I could find was David R. Hawkins.  I don't
trust college or most people.

While I like Ron Paul and Robert Kennedy I find flaws in them.  Therefore I
would prefer Mitt Romney or Huckabee for their conservative principals, but
can't say if they can successfully carry it out in office.  Maybe the above
individuals could do a better choice.  I know there is a way of going about
things and when JFK attempted something different he got assassinated, so I will
say you are useless if you are dead, so accomplish what you can instead of dying
for a dream you can't pull off.  Work with the system, transform the system, but
don't work against it as that never works.  No matter how messed up the system
is you have to play the game right or you lose.

Dan Holt

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--- In native-nutrition@ yahoogroups. com, Daniel Holt <danthemanholt@ ...>
wrote:
>
> I disagree with your definition Chris.  Switzerland is an Oligarchy and look
how well they are run.  Obviously our Oligarchy branch wouldn't quite be like
their government.  This version would work well with our own constitution.  I
don't know what Oligarchy you seem to be referring to.  It's about putting very
experienced older men that are connected to biased financial sources like
politicians.  It would be like how the people in the judicial branch are chosen.
Older men without corruption and bias.  One thing their Oligarchy represents is
tradition like our own government.
>
> We don't have many men at the top that are going out of there way to make
selfless decisions that would massively benefit our country.  These men can take
the time to listen to our concerns and act on them.  It's the politicians that
are more likely to support GMO crops, not selfless statesmen.  It would better
organize our government.  There would be more positive communication with the
governors therefore better communication with the people so people can act
accurately with their freedom of speech and voting.
>
> Our country and maybe even the whole world seems to be surviving on the
backwards conventional concepts that were introduced in the 20th century.   
Poor quality farming, poor quality hospital care, etc. etc. etc.  While an
Oligarchy won't fix all the problems it will certainly be a step in the right
direction to connect the people with the Government without all the diarhea
politic bullshit.
>
> Right now our current government and most of the governments in the world are
already working for the intentions of these rich select few.  I would see an
Oligarchy as a step to being able to spread more financial opportunities to the
common man and given the people more power.
>
> The Oligarchy I am thinking of the the Greek term of it and what Switzerland
is currently using.  What gives you the idea that the Oligarchy supports such
corruption?  List some countries that ran by an Oligarchy like the ones you are
listing.
>
> So yes, an Oligarchy will produce benevolent qualities such as Justinian and
Constantine.  They too will be held by the law and are held accountable by the
people and their peers.  This form of government will influence a higher
integrity out of people.
>
> My take on population control:  If we continue to consume as we do there will
be overpopulation and our resources with dissipate.  This will lead to many
problems, loss of control of our own people, leading to massive chaos, death,
and the beginning of another dark age.
>
> We have two choices:  Limit the amount of children people are allowed to have,
and perhaps we still risk the "NWO" unleashing a plague that will kill off
2/3rds of mankind, or choose to consume less like Native Americans, Chinese, and
East Indians.  The entire world's standard of living would have to go down in
order to support a higher population for the future without major issues
arising.  That would mean giving up the shallow wasteful over consuming American
lifestyle.  I don't know how our economy could work that out...  So a higher
population can thrive with a lower standard of living.  I like how educated
college people like to bend the truth to fit their daisy view of how the world
and make these rich guys out to be pure evil who have no logic.  We have to look
at what they are doing, why they are doing it, and then see if we can work out a
better solution.  Most college people are liberals and they don't seem to
realize just how meek and
>  vulnerable we all are if we don't make the necessary choices.
>
> If we reduce our population down to 90-95% our standard of living would all
rise to rich status.  If we reduced it to two billion everyone in the world
would live by middle class standards.  If we increased it to 10-20 billion
everyone would become lower class with a rich select few in charge
proportionally.
>
> Dan Holt
>
>
>
>
> ____________ _________ _________ __
> From: Chris Masterjohn <chrismasterjohn@ ...>
> To: native-nutrition@ yahoogroups. com
> Sent: Tue, November 3, 2009 7:20:43 AM
> Subject: Re: [NN] Re: POLITICAL: Obama's Agricultural Sec Vilsack
>
>
> Daniel,
>
> > We should develop a type of oligarchy that would work with our constitution.
> >  Based on the description I gave that shouldn't be too hard.  Our government
> > wouldn't be an oligarchy, it would just have an oligarchy branch attached to
> > it.  Voting and rights would still be allowed.  Communication with the
> > people would improve and more positive stuff would get done.
>
> > I define success as low crime, human rights, more and better quality job
> > opportunities, no poverty, affordable better quality education, better
> > healthcare, better health and farming quality.  I'm sure I can put together
> > a much bigger list.  We have much to learn from Switzerland and Singapore.
> > We can even learn from a good quality dictatorship like from Emperor
> > Justinian and Emperor Constantine.  We also have much to learn from a
> > benevolent Soveriegn.  We need to learn what works and what doesn't work,
> > instead of repeating the same mistakes we have been for the past hundred
> > years because our culture is stupid and lazy and don't like to think.
>
> This is exactly how the current shadow-government type oligarchy came
> into being.  All of the modern scientific establishment, especially
> fields like psychology, sociology, genetics, and molecular biology,
> were based on the idea of "social control" promoted primarily by the
> Rockefeller Foundation, with the purported aim of benevolently
> bringing the science of controlling people up to par with
> technological science so that crime and poverty could be reduced while
> opportunity, healthcare, and better food could could be produced.
>
> I would recommend on this subject reading the book "The Rockefeller
> Foundation's Molecular Vision of Life" by the respected science
> historian Lilly Kay, which I've reviewed here:
>
> http://www.choleste rol-and-health. com/Rockefeller- Foundation-
Social-Control- Eugenics. html
>
> I would also recommend viewing how this oligarchic control of American
> and international institutions has differed in theory and practice.
> "Better food" has brought us genetic engineering, which destroys
> health and increases direct oligarchic control of the food supply.
> The benevolent vision of social control was initially associated with
> eugenics, and, after Hitler, switched to overpopulation.  To see the
> potential consequences of this concern among the scientific elite, see
> my review about the extremist Eric Pianka, who got a standing ovation
> from the Texas Academy of Sciences for his speech about how 90% of the
> world's population must be destroyed for the sake of such benevolent
> care about living standards:
>
> http://www.choleste rol-and-health. com/FBI-Anthrax- Terrorist- Army-Insider.
html#Pianka
>
> I think you are missing something when you refer to Constantine and
> Justinian.  Whatever the faults some may identify in their practice as
> benevolent rulers, they held themselves to a law above themselves.  In
> the so-called "Byzantine" (Christian Roman) Empire, political
> philosophy of the time held that even the rulers are subject to the
> law, and that man discovers the divine law and only creates decrees to
> imperfectly adhere to that law, rather than creating law himself.
> Constantine and Justinian sought advice from holy ascetics in the
> dessert who believed that every individual had the ultimate destiny
> of, while remaining completely an individual, nevertheless
> participating fully in the divine nature.  They sought the advice of
> ascetic bishops like Basil the Great, who invented the hospital (as a
> charitable and non-profit institution) and the orphanage.
>
> In the ancient world, the Greek word for person was prosopon, meaning
> "mask."  Thus, like the Asian religious traditions, they held the
> individual was an illusion.  The Trinitarian theologists who advised
> Constantine and Justinian brought a new word to the table for person,
> hypostasis, meaning underlying principle, thus holding that each
> individual had a real, true, indepedent existence.
>
> The current science Czar, JP Holdren, co-authored Ecoscience, a policy
> textbook.  In this book, Holdren and the Erlichs state that the
> question of when life begins is meaningless to the biologist, because
> to the biologist, life began only once when it spontaneously developed
> billions of years ago, and there is no distinction between individual
> lives that have resulted from it, but merely a continuum.
>
> According to the highest scientific authority in this land, you carry
> the same meaning as a bacterium, and I carry the same meaning as a
> bacterium.
>
> This is according to the molecular biology developed by the benevolent
> Rockefeller Foundation, who sought to create a ruling oligarchy that
> would benevolently increase opportunity and healthcare while
> decreasing crime and poverty.
>
> Do you really think that an oligarchy born out of this philosophy will
> produce whatever benevolent qualities you see in Constantine or
> Justinian?
>
> Chris
>
>
>
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>
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[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Hey Chris, I thought I'd continue this topic with a couple web-sites that raise
questions...

I also thought I'd share with you more of where I stand with this.  I'll start
with this topic and then share the web-sites and my other opinions.

Try reading Dr. David R. Hawkins book "Truth vs. Falsehood" for a very
interesting view on politics.  It's a good alternative to the diarhea
regurgitated and absolutely annoying lamebrain shit of Mr. O' Reilly and all the
other influential members of society that brainwash their bullshit on to us. 
Maybe I'm wrong.  Maybe I'm crazey and I'm just not correctly interpreting their
valuable information.

Also, if you're interested in subjects such as alternative governments, a better
ran society, and the different concept of ruler's opinions, their
positionalities, and the pros and cons of their ideas watch this series,
especially episodes 36-42 of this "cartoon".  This helped mold my opinion. 
Sounds immature huh?  Although I see fact in this fictional fantasy, I don't
completely agree with the series viewpoints.  It does a decent job of covering
soveriegns, dictatorships, democracies, population control, and "utopian
societies" with their "superior race".

http://tiny.cc/TZWGz

I am for a democratic oligarchy republic that has the other branches that hold
it in place with a "checks and balances" system, all classes and ranks of people
have the ability to interact and make this government work more efficiently with
the best of their interests and to maintain balance with humanity and nature. 
Everybody needs the ability to freely questions eachother and work out issues
such as economy, laws, etc.  Lately though there's too much selfishness and one
sidedness.  A Presidency is like a soveriegn, but there's too much corruption,
opposing viewpoints that don't work together, and the fulfilling of parties
interests rather than what's best for everybody in the long run.  Why if there
really is an optimal answer and approach to everything our world leaders are so
divided?  I think then if their is an optimal way of doing things then we need
to combine the best of everyone and turn it all into one cooperative movement. 
Let's kill a hundred cajillion birds with one stone rather than one at a time,
while 2 billion other birds muliply and multiply.  Metaphor: bird/issues
kill/resolve.  We really need to put a system in place where integrity is a high
priority, a business like government where you get demoted for incompetence and
someone more fit for the position takes that person's place.  By all this I
don't mean to increase Government...with more competent people in power there
would be less people running it overall, as a very competent person can
literally do the job of 10 less competent people.  Especially with a
reorganization it's hard to imagine how much more efficient any government can
be ran.  For example: I can do the job of 5 less competent workers at my job,
and in fact I even played the role of my manager.  Obviously I worked with very
devolved people so my competence threatens their job, thus I don't belong there.
However, with running our country such theoretical competent people are
necessary and important while it is not for a white trash backwater crimelord
company.

So here is a very interesting link that simplifies the population subject and
includes an insightful chart:

http://tiny.cc/Z5W1P

Here's a couple other links that may be of interest:

http://tiny.cc/FOBwZ

http://tiny.cc/BdUZp

http://tiny.cc/ZybrN

People need to stop doing what they want to do that goes against the big picture
of what will maintain the balance and prosperity if they would instead do what
has to be done.

So there may be a chance our world population could grow.  In a perfect world I
wouldn't mind being stuck with 100 billion people, but in reality this creates
problems.  Lower standard of living, less education, more crime, more injustice,
loss of tradition.  If we all had a higher level of awareness there could be 1
trillion Buddhas on this planet, perfectly happy in their nirvana sitting 1 foot
away from eachother in a meditation therefore no need to eat and no need to work
out any problems as their is none.  That is not the reality of what will happen
and I would hardly call the standard of modern day China or India as ideal.  If
we could all co-exist in peaceful harmony with eachother and climb up our
spiritual ladder with just as much opportunity of today if not more I am all for
a ginormous population.

We seriously need to work out resource organization.  It's apparent fish are
running out.  From what I've seen you can't really run out of cows, chickens,
potatoes, so let's really look into changing what we market.  If we enforced
better standards we may cure most illnesses.  So much meat gets wasted.  With
any resource period we would need to work out how it gets distributed.  It would
be nice to shift from money to having a money free society that works to share
resources with eachother freely, peacefully, and abundantly.  Star Trek style. 
Everyone seems to be ignoring the problems and it's going to come back and
painfully bite our asses off.

I hope I don't sound like Adolf Hitler, after reviewing his work I really don't
feel like he had any true resolutions, and was a very forceful and destructive
person.  Like all war mongering oppressive dictators.  Very strategic, very
effective with application, but for all the wrong reasons and with out humanity
or true positive solutions.

It's so annoying when there is so much biased information out there you can't go
to a definitive source for truth.  I don't believe Dr. Phil, Lance Armstrong,
Bill O' Reilly, Oprah Winfrey, with all of their influence in the world are
doing it justice.  Where are the straightforward teachers that offer something
good?  The most unbiased source I could find was David R. Hawkins.  I don't
trust college or most people.

While I like Ron Paul and Robert Kennedy I find flaws in them.  Therefore I
would prefer Mitt Romney or Huckabee for their conservative principals, but
can't say if they can successfully carry it out in office.  Maybe the above
individuals could do a better choice.  I know there is a way of going about
things and when JFK attempted something different he got assassinated, so I will
say you are useless if you are dead, so accomplish what you can instead of dying
for a dream you can't pull off.  Work with the system, transform the system, but
don't work against it as that never works.  No matter how messed up the system
is you have to play the game right or you lose.

Dan Holt


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--- In native-nutrition@yahoogroups.com, Daniel Holt <danthemanholt@...> wrote:
>
> I disagree with your definition Chris.  Switzerland is an Oligarchy and look
how well they are run.  Obviously our Oligarchy branch wouldn't quite be like
their government.  This version would work well with our own constitution.  I
don't know what Oligarchy you seem to be referring to.  It's about putting very
experienced older men that are connected to biased financial sources like
politicians.  It would be like how the people in the judicial branch are chosen.
Older men without corruption and bias.  One thing their Oligarchy represents is
tradition like our own government.
>
> We don't have many men at the top that are going out of there way to make
selfless decisions that would massively benefit our country.  These men can take
the time to listen to our concerns and act on them.  It's the politicians that
are more likely to support GMO crops, not selfless statesmen.  It would better
organize our government.  There would be more positive communication with the
governors therefore better communication with the people so people can act
accurately with their freedom of speech and voting.
>
> Our country and maybe even the whole world seems to be surviving on the
backwards conventional concepts that were introduced in the 20th century.   
Poor quality farming, poor quality hospital care, etc. etc. etc.  While an
Oligarchy won't fix all the problems it will certainly be a step in the right
direction to connect the people with the Government without all the diarhea
politic bullshit.
>
> Right now our current government and most of the governments in the world are
already working for the intentions of these rich select few.  I would see an
Oligarchy as a step to being able to spread more financial opportunities to the
common man and given the people more power.
>
> The Oligarchy I am thinking of the the Greek term of it and what Switzerland
is currently using.  What gives you the idea that the Oligarchy supports such
corruption?  List some countries that ran by an Oligarchy like the ones you are
listing.
>
> So yes, an Oligarchy will produce benevolent qualities such as Justinian and
Constantine.  They too will be held by the law and are held accountable by the
people and their peers.  This form of government will influence a higher
integrity out of people.
>
> My take on population control:  If we continue to consume as we do there will
be overpopulation and our resources with dissipate.  This will lead to many
problems, loss of control of our own people, leading to massive chaos, death,
and the beginning of another dark age.
>
> We have two choices:  Limit the amount of children people are allowed to have,
and perhaps we still risk the "NWO" unleashing a plague that will kill off
2/3rds of mankind, or choose to consume less like Native Americans, Chinese, and
East Indians.  The entire world's standard of living would have to go down in
order to support a higher population for the future without major issues
arising.  That would mean giving up the shallow wasteful over consuming American
lifestyle.  I don't know how our economy could work that out...  So a higher
population can thrive with a lower standard of living.  I like how educated
college people like to bend the truth to fit their daisy view of how the world
and make these rich guys out to be pure evil who have no logic.  We have to look
at what they are doing, why they are doing it, and then see if we can work out a
better solution.  Most college people are liberals and they don't seem to
realize just how meek and
>  vulnerable we all are if we don't make the necessary choices.
>
> If we reduce our population down to 90-95% our standard of living would all
rise to rich status.  If we reduced it to two billion everyone in the world
would live by middle class standards.  If we increased it to 10-20 billion
everyone would become lower class with a rich select few in charge
proportionally.
>
> Dan Holt
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: Chris Masterjohn <chrismasterjohn@...>
> To: native-nutrition@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Tue, November 3, 2009 7:20:43 AM
> Subject: Re: [NN] Re: POLITICAL: Obama's Agricultural Sec Vilsack
>
>
> Daniel,
>
> > We should develop a type of oligarchy that would work with our constitution.
> >  Based on the description I gave that shouldn't be too hard.  Our government
> > wouldn't be an oligarchy, it would just have an oligarchy branch attached to
> > it.  Voting and rights would still be allowed.  Communication with the
> > people would improve and more positive stuff would get done.
>
> > I define success as low crime, human rights, more and better quality job
> > opportunities, no poverty, affordable better quality education, better
> > healthcare, better health and farming quality.  I'm sure I can put together
> > a much bigger list.  We have much to learn from Switzerland and Singapore.
> > We can even learn from a good quality dictatorship like from Emperor
> > Justinian and Emperor Constantine.  We also have much to learn from a
> > benevolent Soveriegn.  We need to learn what works and what doesn't work,
> > instead of repeating the same mistakes we have been for the past hundred
> > years because our culture is stupid and lazy and don't like to think.
>
> This is exactly how the current shadow-government type oligarchy came
> into being.  All of the modern scientific establishment, especially
> fields like psychology, sociology, genetics, and molecular biology,
> were based on the idea of "social control" promoted primarily by the
> Rockefeller Foundation, with the purported aim of benevolently
> bringing the science of controlling people up to par with
> technological science so that crime and poverty could be reduced while
> opportunity, healthcare, and better food could could be produced.
>
> I would recommend on this subject reading the book "The Rockefeller
> Foundation's Molecular Vision of Life" by the respected science
> historian Lilly Kay, which I've reviewed here:
>
> http://www.choleste rol-and-health. com/Rockefeller- Foundation-
Social-Control- Eugenics. html
>
> I would also recommend viewing how this oligarchic control of American
> and international institutions has differed in theory and practice.
> "Better food" has brought us genetic engineering, which destroys
> health and increases direct oligarchic control of the food supply.
> The benevolent vision of social control was initially associated with
> eugenics, and, after Hitler, switched to overpopulation.  To see the
> potential consequences of this concern among the scientific elite, see
> my review about the extremist Eric Pianka, who got a standing ovation
> from the Texas Academy of Sciences for his speech about how 90% of the
> world's population must be destroyed for the sake of such benevolent
> care about living standards:
>
> http://www.choleste rol-and-health. com/FBI-Anthrax- Terrorist- Army-Insider.
html#Pianka
>
> I think you are missing something when you refer to Constantine and
> Justinian.  Whatever the faults some may identify in their practice as
> benevolent rulers, they held themselves to a law above themselves.  In
> the so-called "Byzantine" (Christian Roman) Empire, political
> philosophy of the time held that even the rulers are subject to the
> law, and that man discovers the divine law and only creates decrees to
> imperfectly adhere to that law, rather than creating law himself.
> Constantine and Justinian sought advice from holy ascetics in the
> dessert who believed that every individual had the ultimate destiny
> of, while remaining completely an individual, nevertheless
> participating fully in the divine nature.  They sought the advice of
> ascetic bishops like Basil the Great, who invented the hospital (as a
> charitable and non-profit institution) and the orphanage.
>
> In the ancient world, the Greek word for person was prosopon, meaning
> "mask."  Thus, like the Asian religious traditions, they held the
> individual was an illusion.  The Trinitarian theologists who advised
> Constantine and Justinian brought a new word to the table for person,
> hypostasis, meaning underlying principle, thus holding that each
> individual had a real, true, indepedent existence.
>
> The current science Czar, JP Holdren, co-authored Ecoscience, a policy
> textbook.  In this book, Holdren and the Erlichs state that the
> question of when life begins is meaningless to the biologist, because
> to the biologist, life began only once when it spontaneously developed
> billions of years ago, and there is no distinction between individual
> lives that have resulted from it, but merely a continuum.
>
> According to the highest scientific authority in this land, you carry
> the same meaning as a bacterium, and I carry the same meaning as a
> bacterium.
>
> This is according to the molecular biology developed by the benevolent
> Rockefeller Foundation, who sought to create a ruling oligarchy that
> would benevolently increase opportunity and healthcare while
> decreasing crime and poverty.
>
> Do you really think that an oligarchy born out of this philosophy will
> produce whatever benevolent qualities you see in Constantine or
> Justinian?
>
> Chris
>
>
>
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I would grab as much of it as possible.

Belinda

--- In native-nutrition@yahoogroups.com, Carolyn Graff <zgraff@...> wrote:
>
> how safe is this to eat? a friend has offered to give me some. she
> wrote "The deer mostly hang out in the ~130 acres of woods but the
> fields surrounding the woods are filled with corn and alfalfa.  I'm
> not sure if pesticides are used but I assume they are."
>
>
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how safe is this to eat? a friend has offered to give me some. she
wrote "The deer mostly hang out in the ~130 acres of woods but the
fields surrounding the woods are filled with corn and alfalfa.  I'm
not sure if pesticides are used but I assume they are."




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That kind of procedure is described in Wild Fermentation. Not sure if I've seen
it elsewhere, but I think I have.

Further processed: Mixed with garlic, ginger and spices, then add salt water,
put in a crock pot and let ferment.