I want to use sunblock on my face b/c I don't want to photoage in that area

anymore than I have or have to.  I lay out in the sun a few times/week to try

and get my vitamin D in the middle of the day, plus I live in Miami and I do

this in the winter too. I have been getting too much sun on my face lately and

since we all have to pick our battles, I prefer a little toxins once in a while

to wrinkles.



Many of the sunblocks at Whole Food have Titanium Dioxide. According to this

article http://www.organicmakeup.ca/ca/titaniumdioxide.asp, if the size of these

particles are very small they can damage the cell's DNA after sun exposure, so I

want to avoid this ingredient. Has anyone else looked into this and can

recommend a brand?

Thanks.

The EWG just did a report on sunscreens.  (

http://www.webmd.com/skin-beauty/news/20090702/how-safe-and-effective-are-sunscr\

eens?src=RSS_PUBLIC

)

I googled the first result, Soleo Organics sunscreen (

http://www.futurenatural.com/index.html?Action=Commerce.Product&ID=103145)

and it looks like it uses zinc oxide instead of titanium. Here's their

homepage: http://www.soleousa.com/#



<http://www.webmd.com/skin-beauty/news/20090702/how-safe-and-effective-are-sunsc\

reens?src=RSS_PUBLIC>

-Lana



"There is nothing more useful than sun and salt." - Latin proverb





On Sun, Jul 19, 2009 at 3:45 PM, Cray Fish <crayfishfeed@...> wrote:



> I want to use sunblock on my face b/c I don't want to photoage in that area

> anymore than I have or have to.  I lay out in the sun a few times/week to

> try and get my vitamin D in the middle of the day, plus I live in Miami and

> I do this in the winter too. I have been getting too much sun on my face

> lately and since we all have to pick our battles, I prefer a little toxins

> once in a while to wrinkles.

>

> Many of the sunblocks at Whole Food have Titanium Dioxide. According to

> this article http://www.organicmakeup.ca/ca/titaniumdioxide.asp, if the

> size of these particles are very small they can damage the cell's DNA after

> sun exposure, so I want to avoid this ingredient. Has anyone else looked

> into this and can recommend a brand?

> Thanks.

>

>

>

> ------------------------------------

>

> Yahoo! Groups Links

>

>

>

>





[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

I purchased the Soleo Organics suncreen this summer to use on my

daughter who is a very fair redhead. I have been very happy with it.

It goes on easily and so far it works well.



Deborah



On Jul 19, 2009, at 4:54 PM, Lana Gibbons wrote:



> The EWG just did a report on sunscreens. (

> http://www.webmd.com/skin-beauty/news/20090702/how-safe-and-

> effective-are-sunscreens?src=RSS_PUBLIC

> )

> I googled the first result, Soleo Organics sunscreen (

> http://www.futurenatural.com/index.html?

> Action=Commerce.Product&ID=103145)

> and it looks like it uses zinc oxide instead of titanium. Here's their

> homepage: http://www.soleousa.com/#

>

> <http://www.webmd.com/skin-beauty/news/20090702/how-safe-and-

> effective-are-sunscreens?src=RSS_PUBLIC>

> -Lana

>

> "There is nothing more useful than sun and salt." - Latin proverb

>

> On Sun, Jul 19, 2009 at 3:45 PM, Cray Fish <crayfishfeed@...>

> wrote:

>

> > I want to use sunblock on my face b/c I don't want to photoage in

> that area

> > anymore than I have or have to. I lay out in the sun a few times/

> week to

> > try and get my vitamin D in the middle of the day, plus I live in

> Miami and

> > I do this in the winter too. I have been getting too much sun on

> my face

> > lately and since we all have to pick our battles, I prefer a

> little toxins

> > once in a while to wrinkles.

> >

> > Many of the sunblocks at Whole Food have Titanium Dioxide.

> According to

> > this article http://www.organicmakeup.ca/ca/titaniumdioxide.asp,

> if the

> > size of these particles are very small they can damage the cell's

> DNA after

> > sun exposure, so I want to avoid this ingredient. Has anyone else

> looked

> > into this and can recommend a brand?

> > Thanks.

> >

> >

> >

> > ------------------------------------

> >

> > Yahoo! Groups Links

> >

> >

> >

> >

>

> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

>

>

>







[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Go to the environmental working group website ­ they just published a report

on sunblocks. Best on the list is Badger Sunscreen.





On 7/19/09 3:45 PM, "Cray Fish" <crayfishfeed@...> wrote:



>

>

>

>

> I want to use sunblock on my face b/c I don't want to photoage in that area

> anymore than I have or have to.  I lay out in the sun a few times/week to try

> and get my vitamin D in the middle of the day, plus I live in Miami and I do

> this in the winter too. I have been getting too much sun on my face lately and

> since we all have to pick our battles, I prefer a little toxins once in a

> while to wrinkles.

>

> Many of the sunblocks at Whole Food have Titanium Dioxide. According to this

> article http://www.organicmakeup.ca/ca/titaniumdioxide.asp, if the size of

> these particles are very small they can damage the cell's DNA after sun

> exposure, so I want to avoid this ingredient. Has anyone else looked into this

> and can recommend a brand?

> Thanks.

>

>

>

>

>>







[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Where is that website?







On Jul 19, 2009, at 4:12 PM, Katrina Cabral wrote:



> Go to the environmental working group website – they just published a

> report

> on sunblocks. Best on the list is Badger Sunscreen.

>

Elizabeth Parashis

artpages@...



artpagesonline.com

--- In native-nutrition@yahoogroups.com, "Cray Fish" <crayfishfeed@...> wrote:









>

> I want to use sunblock on my face b/c I don't want to photoage in that area

anymore than I have or have to.

>

>





Forget sunblocks. Why risk slathering a bunch of unprounceable, potentially

toxic chemicals on your skin where they'll be absorbed directly into your body?





"The sunscreen myth: How sunscreen products actually promote cancer"



http://www.naturalnews.com/021903.html





"Is Your Sunscreen More Dangerous Than The Sun?"



http://www.ewg.org/node/22305





"Sunscreen Not so Good for the Skin"



http://www.newhuman.co.uk/SunscreensArticle.html







Try taking astaxanthin (pronounced astazanthin) instead, which is a highly

nutritious marine derived carotenoid that, when consumed internally, provides

natural protection from the sun's rays from within your very own body:





http://www.sciencedaily.com/videos/2007/1108-sunscreen_in_a_pill.htm



http://stanford.wellsphere.com/complementary-alternative-medicine-article/is-ast\

axanthin-the-best-natural-antioxidant-to-prevent-sunburn/657177



http://www.nutraingredients.com/Consumer-Trends/New-patent-for-Cyanotech-s-astax\

anthin







The best price I've found online for astaxanthin is here:



http://www.vitacost.com/Nutrex-Hawaii-BioAstin-Natural-Astaxanthin







Elan

> Forget sunblocks. Why risk slathering a bunch of unprounceable, potentially

toxic chemicals on your skin where they'll be absorbed directly into your body?

>

Everything is toxic and bad for us these days, everything. The air we breathe,

the plastic we drink out of, the water we drink, the new car smell, barbequeing,

our toilets not being low enough for squatting, getting into your car without

airing it out before you drive it everyday, cellphone towers, wifi, bras, the

vaccinations you received as a child/adult, cooking with stainless steel,

asphalt fumes, sunlight, xrays, wood dust, the crap the city sprays in the air

to get rid of mosquitoes, the dozens of habits and foods I have already removed

from my life. Why would I worry about a little bit of sunblock when keeping a

youthful appearance is one of my highest priorities?



Astaxathin doesn't have even results with everyone who uses it and for some it

takes time to build up levels considered to be sun protective, if it even works

at all. Not all supplements work for everyone. In the meantime why should a

person get sunburned?

--- In native-nutrition@yahoogroups.com, "Cray Fish" <crayfishfeed@...> wrote:

>

>

> > Why would I worry about a little bit of sunblock when keeping a youthful

appearance is one of my highest priorities?

>

>





To each their own.  If looking young is that important to you and you're willing

to put chemicals on your skin in an effort to achieve that, then by all means do

what you feel you need to do.



Personally, if I was worried about getting too much sunlight on my face while

sunbathing, I'd just turn my body around so I was facing away from the sun while

lying in it, and maybe wear a visor to shade my face rather than use any sort of

synthetic sunblocks, which I know are toxic and have no interest in either

purchasing or putting on my body.





Elan



(who is ok with whatever lines and wrinkles may come naturally with age and sun

exposure)

What about people like my husband who work out in the sun and can't get

out of it some days?  He wears hats but they don't always keep him

covered.  I need a sun block for him as he is getting really red.



I appreciate the safer recommendations!



Dawn





elan_spire wrote:

>

>

> --- In native-nutrition@yahoogroups.com

> <mailto:native-nutrition%40yahoogroups.com>, "Cray Fish"

> <crayfishfeed@...> wrote:

> >

> >

> > > Why would I worry about a little bit of sunblock when keeping a

> youthful appearance is one of my highest priorities?

> >

> >

>

> To each their own. If looking young is that important to you and

> you're willing to put chemicals on your skin in an effort to achieve

> that, then by all means do what you feel you need to do.

>

> Personally, if I was worried about getting too much sunlight on my

> face while sunbathing, I'd just turn my body around so I was facing

> away from the sun while lying in it, and maybe wear a visor to shade

> my face rather than use any sort of synthetic sunblocks, which I know

> are toxic and have no interest in either purchasing or putting on my body.

>

> Elan

>

> (who is ok with whatever lines and wrinkles may come naturally with

> age and sun exposure)

>

> _







[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

daycare centers here require parent-provided sunscreen.



we use the lavera brand of sunscreen.



to compare brands, use EWG's database at

http://www.cosmeticsdatabase.com/index.php



-jennifer



On Jul 20, 2009, at 9:34 AM, Dawn wrote:



> What about people like my husband who work out in the sun and can't

> get

> out of it some days? He wears hats but they don't always keep him

> covered. I need a sun block for him as he is getting really red.

>

> I appreciate the safer recommendations!

>

> Dawn

>

> elan_spire wrote:

> >

> >

> > --- In native-nutrition@yahoogroups.com

> > <mailto:native-nutrition%40yahoogroups.com>, "Cray Fish"

> > <crayfishfeed@...> wrote:

> > >

> > >

> > > > Why would I worry about a little bit of sunblock when keeping a

> > youthful appearance is one of my highest priorities?

> > >

> > >

> >

> > To each their own. If looking young is that important to you and

> > you're willing to put chemicals on your skin in an effort to achieve

> > that, then by all means do what you feel you need to do.

> >

> > Personally, if I was worried about getting too much sunlight on my

> > face while sunbathing, I'd just turn my body around so I was facing

> > away from the sun while lying in it, and maybe wear a visor to shade

> > my face rather than use any sort of synthetic sunblocks, which I

> know

> > are toxic and have no interest in either purchasing or putting on

> my body.

> >

> > Elan

> >

> > (who is ok with whatever lines and wrinkles may come naturally with

> > age and sun exposure)

> >

> > _

>

> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

>

>

>

> !DSPAM:2,4a647fa721172118912886!

Cray Fish is in Florida--have you ever been in the midday summer sun in

Florida--I've had severe burns there even with sunscreen, with hats, etc.

Without sunscreen you can get burned within half an hour.



Bill





--- In native-nutrition@yahoogroups.com, "elan_spire" <elan_spire@...> wrote:

>

> --- In native-nutrition@yahoogroups.com, "Cray Fish" <crayfishfeed@> wrote:

> >

> >

> > > Why would I worry about a little bit of sunblock when keeping a youthful

appearance is one of my highest priorities?

> >

> >

>

>

> To each their own.  If looking young is that important to you and you're

willing to put chemicals on your skin in an effort to achieve that, then by all

means do what you feel you need to do.

>

> Personally, if I was worried about getting too much sunlight on my face while

sunbathing, I'd just turn my body around so I was facing away from the sun while

lying in it, and maybe wear a visor to shade my face rather than use any sort of

synthetic sunblocks, which I know are toxic and have no interest in either

purchasing or putting on my body.

>

>

> Elan

>

> (who is ok with whatever lines and wrinkles may come naturally with age and

sun exposure)

>

Everyone's situation is different. I personally find I'm able to get

by without sunscreen (I did burn my back recently but that was because

I was stubbornly finishing some transplanting before going inside or

putting on a shirt), but if I had to work outside all day in a brutal

climate like, say, Florida, I'd look into the least-toxic ones

available. What I think is unnecessary is swathing babies and kids

with tons of sunscreen and never letting their skin be exposed to the

sun. People go too far one way or the often, it seems.



I can't remember where I read it or the details, unfortunately, but

the gist was that eating enough of the proper fats is necessary to

protect the skin from the inside. Does that sound familiar to anyone?

Jeanmarie



On Jul 20, 2009, at 9:05 AM, lynchwt wrote:



> Cray Fish is in Florida--have you ever been in the midday summer sun

> in Florida--I've had severe burns there even with sunscreen, with

> hats, etc. Without sunscreen you can get burned within half an hour.

>

> Bill

>







[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

I know someone who says that taking their CLO protects them from getting

sunburn.



--- In native-nutrition@yahoogroups.com, Jeanmarie Todd <jaytee3@...> wrote:

>

> Everyone's situation is different. I personally find I'm able to get

> by without sunscreen (I did burn my back recently but that was because

> I was stubbornly finishing some transplanting before going inside or

> putting on a shirt), but if I had to work outside all day in a brutal

> climate like, say, Florida, I'd look into the least-toxic ones

> available. What I think is unnecessary is swathing babies and kids

> with tons of sunscreen and never letting their skin be exposed to the

> sun. People go too far one way or the often, it seems.

>

> I can't remember where I read it or the details, unfortunately, but

> the gist was that eating enough of the proper fats is necessary to

> protect the skin from the inside. Does that sound familiar to anyone?

> Jeanmarie

>

> On Jul 20, 2009, at 9:05 AM, lynchwt wrote:

>

> > Cray Fish is in Florida--have you ever been in the midday summer sun

> > in Florida--I've had severe burns there even with sunscreen, with

> > hats, etc. Without sunscreen you can get burned within half an hour.

> >

> > Bill

> >

>

>

>

> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

>

> To each their own.  If looking young is that important to you and you're

willing to put chemicals on your skin in an effort to achieve that, then by all

means do what you feel you need to do.

>

> Personally, if I was worried about getting too much sunlight on my face while

sunbathing, I'd just turn my body around so I was facing away from the sun while

lying in it, and maybe wear a visor to shade my face rather than use any sort of

synthetic sunblocks, which I know are toxic and have no interest in either

purchasing or putting on my body.

>

>

> Elan

>

> (who is ok with whatever lines and wrinkles may come naturally with age and

sun exposure)

>



How do you go swimming with a visor on? Plus it doesn't protect your whole face.

Some people are okay with lines and some people aren't, like everything else in

life. Do you say to people who fly on a plane, "if it's worth it to you to

breathe in that toxic air and walk through the xray machine and be exposed to

flourescent lights, then by all means do what you feel you need to do."  It's

just odd to be concerned so much over one thing when there are a million things

out there to make us sick. I just find that strangely fascinating.

It's true, there are a million things out there to make us sick.

There's a balance to be found in figuring out what the relative risks

actually are and deciding what's worth taking action on, and what

risks we can live with, and what we can raise the alarm and make a

difference about.



Driving cars is a whole lot more dangerous, considering the actual

risk, than either using sunscreen or getting a little excess sun

exposure. (And I think that if sun exposure is done sensibly, the

benefit from reducing my risk of all kinds of cancers exceeds that

from getting skin cancer.) Personally, I drive with my moon roof open,

weather permitting, to let heat escape from my car without air

conditioning and to balance out the sun exposure on my left arm

(trucker's tan) with more on the right arm.



I'm to the point where I just don't want to use any manufactured

potion that doesn't serve a really important purpose in my life. I

cringe at all the plastic and metal tubes and tubs and vats and jars

that go into the landfill, and the pollutants from the manufacturing

processes of both container and contents.

Cheers,

Jeanmarie



On Jul 20, 2009, at 9:21 AM, Cray Fish wrote:



>

> How do you go swimming with a visor on? Plus it doesn't protect your

> whole face. Some people are okay with lines and some people aren't,

> like everything else in life. Do you say to people who fly on a

> plane, "if it's worth it to you to breathe in that toxic air and

> walk through the xray machine and be exposed to flourescent lights,

> then by all means do what you feel you need to do." It's just odd to

> be concerned so much over one thing when there are a million things

> out there to make us sick. I just find that strangely fascinating..

>

>

>







[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

I agree with you in general, but what's wrong with cooking with

stainless steel? This is new to me. Thanks,

Jeanmarie



On Jul 19, 2009, at 7:20 PM, Cray Fish wrote:



>

> > Everything is toxic and bad for us these days, everything. The air

> we breathe, the plastic we drink out of, the water we drink, the new

> car smell, barbequeing, our toilets not being low enough for

> squatting, getting into your car without airing it out before you

> drive it everyday, cellphone towers, wifi, bras, the vaccinations

> you received as a child/adult, cooking with stainless

> steel, . . .<snip>

>

>







[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

see this article from Wise Traditions, the WAPF journal

http://mercola.fileburst.com/PDF/ToxicMetals.pdf



--- In native-nutrition@yahoogroups.com, Jeanmarie Todd <jaytee3@...> wrote:

>

> I agree with you in general, but what's wrong with cooking with

> stainless steel? This is new to me. Thanks,

> Jeanmarie

>

> On Jul 19, 2009, at 7:20 PM, Cray Fish wrote:

>

> >

> > > Everything is toxic and bad for us these days, everything. The air

> > we breathe, the plastic we drink out of, the water we drink, the new

> > car smell, barbequeing, our toilets not being low enough for

> > squatting, getting into your car without airing it out before you

> > drive it everyday, cellphone towers, wifi, bras, the vaccinations

> > you received as a child/adult, cooking with stainless

> > steel, . . .<snip>

> >

> >

>

>

>

> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

>

what about using coconut oil on the skin as well as eating lots of it? vitamin e

helps protect against the sun, too. also making sure your PUFA intake is very

low and staying away from vegetable oils. eating lots of saturated fats helps

keep wrinkles away. if i use sunscreen, which is rare, i only use Badger or UV

Natural Sunscreen from Australia. i've heard of people making their own with

coconut oil, sesame oil, zinc oxide--i think--i'd have to double check.



amanda







     .







[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Amanda,

I try to do all these things you suggested. I have even had a blend of zinc and

coconut oil but I think I am going to try the Badger. There were many

good/interesting/unique suggestions on this thread as always, so thanks to the

people who took the time to answer my question.



--- In native-nutrition@yahoogroups.com, "Amanda Smith" <amanda@...> wrote:

>

> what about using coconut oil on the skin as well as eating lots of it? vitamin

e helps protect against the sun, too. also making sure your PUFA intake is very

low and staying away from vegetable oils. eating lots of saturated fats helps

keep wrinkles away. if i use sunscreen, which is rare, i only use Badger or UV

Natural Sunscreen from Australia. i've heard of people making their own with

coconut oil, sesame oil, zinc oxide--i think--i'd have to double check.

>

> amanda

Check out Kabana Skin Care. They're an excellent skin care company with a very

effective and very non-toxic sunscreen. Active ingredient: 25% non-nano zinc

oxide. The rest of the ingredients: artesian spring water, organic olive oil,

organic jojoba oil, vegetable glycerin, vegetable emulsifying wax, organic shea

butter, and vegetable vitamin E. SPF 20 if you use as directed, but I find I

often end up using more, with a resultant higher SPF.



Their website: www.kabanaskincare.com. Oh, and I don't have financial ties to

the company (unless you order through my website).



Scott



--- In native-nutrition@yahoogroups.com, "Amanda Smith" <amanda@...> wrote:

>

> what about using coconut oil on the skin as well as eating lots of it? vitamin

e helps protect against the sun, too. also making sure your PUFA intake is very

low and staying away from vegetable oils. eating lots of saturated fats helps

keep wrinkles away. if i use sunscreen, which is rare, i only use Badger or UV

Natural Sunscreen from Australia. i've heard of people making their own with

coconut oil, sesame oil, zinc oxide--i think--i'd have to double check.

>

> amanda

>

>

>

>     .

>

>

>

> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

>

I'm with you, Elan, I don't use sunscreens anymore. I get sun

exposure, moderated by hats and sunglasses and putting on a long-

sleeved shirt when needed. I use coconut oil internally and

externally. Remember also cholesterol is necessary for the skin to

make Vitamin D so eat your butter!

Jeanmarie



On Jul 19, 2009, at 5:54 PM, elan_spire wrote:



> -Forget sunblocks. Why risk slathering a bunch of unprounceable,

> potentially toxic chemicals on your skin where they'll be absorbed

> directly into your body?

>

> "The sunscreen myth: How sunscreen products actually promote cancer"

>

> http://www.naturalnews.com/021903.html

>

> "Is Your Sunscreen More Dangerous Than The Sun?"

>

> http://www.ewg.org/node/22305

>

> "Sunscreen Not so Good for the Skin"

>

> http://www.newhuman.co.uk/SunscreensArticle.html

>

> Try taking astaxanthin (pronounced astazanthin) instead, which is a

> highly nutritious marine derived carotenoid that, when consumed

> internally, provides natural protection from the sun's rays from

> within your very own body:

>

> http://www.sciencedaily.com/videos/2007/1108-sunscreen_in_a_pill.htm

>

>

http://stanford.wellsphere.com/complementary-alternative-medicine-article/is-ast\

axanthin-the-best-natural-antioxidant-to-prevent-sunburn/657177

>

>

http://www.nutraingredients.com/Consumer-Trends/New-patent-for-Cyanotech-s-astax\

anthin

>

> The best price I've found online for astaxanthin is here:

>

> http://www.vitacost.com/Nutrex-Hawaii-BioAstin-Natural-Astaxanthin

>

> Elan

> .

>

>

>







[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Live in Texas in a farming community, people who work out in the sun all

day always wear a hat to cover the soft parts of the face.  Since these

people are slowly exposed to sun all year long they rarely get skin cancer

and if they wrinkle its in the very late 70's and 80's.  It appears that

people who layout in the sun receive more damage.   Maybe if you walked or

did yard work to receive your daily sun your skin would befit in a healthier

way.





Coconut Oil



Skin Conditions - Since coconut oil is moisturizing, antimicrobial,

antifungal and anti-inflammatory, it's a great natural remedy for all kinds

of skin problems ranging from eczema to acne to diaper rash.



Sun screen - Coconut oil provides effective and natural sun protection

without exposing your body to the toxic chemicals and metals in conventional

sun block. Coconut oil protects against free radicals, which provides added

protection against skin cancer.



Twelve Creative Ways to Use Coconut Oil

by Elizabeth Walling, citizen journalist



http://www.naturalnews.com/026433_coconut_oil_health_moisturizer.html



Brenda



On 7/19/09 3:45 PM, "Cray Fish" <crayfishfeed@...> wrote:



I want to use sunblock on my face b/c I don't want to photoage in that area

anymore than I have or have to.  I lay out in the sun a few times/week to try

and get my vitamin D in the middle of the day, plus I live in Miami and I do

this in the winter too. I have been getting too much sun on my face lately and

since we all have to pick our battles, I prefer a little toxins once in a while

to wrinkles.



[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

--- In native-nutrition@yahoogroups.com, ".·:*¨¨*:·.Brenda.·:*¨¨*:· "

<sguava@...> wrote:

>

> Live in Texas in a farming community, people who work out in the sun all

> day always wear a hat to cover the soft parts of the face.  Since these

> people are slowly exposed to sun all year long they rarely get skin cancer

> and if they wrinkle its in the very late 70's and 80's.  It appears that

> people who layout in the sun receive more damage.   Maybe if you walked or

> did yard work to receive your daily sun your skin would befit in a healthier

> way.



I am not sure what you are suggesting or how you could reach this conclusion

about these people in texas. I am not really looking for suggestions about my

lifestyle, just asking about sunblock.

> I am not really looking for suggestions about my lifestyle,

> just asking about sunblock.



What about the good old physical blocking of the sun - if your face is getting

too much, get out of the sun in Miami in the middle of the day if you are seeing

signs of overexposure?



D3 supplementation could ease your mind about vitamin D and also ease up on your

photoaging concerns maybe.



Connie