i am in need of help and i would appreciate any advice, anecdotes, information

etc. that you can share. but please be kind. i am very embarrassed and scared

about this and i just don't even know what my options are going to be or what to

do.



i have not been to a dentist for about 10 years or so. i had a baby almost 4

years ago and i am 9 weeks pregnant now. i was looking at my teeth and i have a

brown spot on the outside of two of my molars and there may be more i just can't

see. i have no pain or sensitivity. i have heard that women have dental issues

after giving birth b/c the baby takes so much of their fat soluble vitamins and

minerals. how would one go about preventing this in future pregnancies?



what can/should i do since i am pregnant? have them filled if indeed they are

cavities? wait until after birth? is there anything i should absolutely decline

if offered?



i actually do have a name of a dental technician who uses more holistic methods

and is a proponent of raw dairy, so that could be a plus.



thank you for anything you can share,

amanda



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--- On Tue, 1/13/09, Amanda Smith <amanda@...> wrote:





> what can/should i do since i am pregnant? have them filled

> if indeed they are cavities? wait until after birth? is

> there anything i should absolutely decline if offered?



1) Don't get them filled with mercury amalgams.  Other than that, I don't know

why you should wait until after birth.  Get them filled.



2) You might try oil pulling.  I have just started it myself.

I don't know if it works or not, but some people claim to have had good results

from it.  It's cheap, so worth a shot.





-Thomas

I have several cavities (apparently from getting hooked on Altoids,

though I didn't want to admit it). I decided I just was not going to

let the dentist make these holes in my teeth bigger, or fill them with

any old toxic stuff, so I *finally* got serious with the natural

remedies I keep reading about. Oil pulling (though I somehow only seem

to get to it half the time), irrigating at least twice a day (WaterPik

type of thing, directed right at every hole and dark or questionable

spot), and one of those calcium sulfate (?) toothpastes (Arm & Hammer

"Age Defying", for one).



Several months later, the little round role in the side of a molar

seems smaller (and is certainly not any bigger), a big nasty black

expanse on a broken molar is almost white now, cavities around two

"leaking" composite fillings are at least not any bigger, and the

extremely sensitive, soft areas of all my teeth at the gumline are

hard and not-sensitive now. I believe I'll keep this up.



I bought an irrigator thing from Oramedia.com that hooks directly to

the faucet, needs no electricity, and is handy-dandy right there where

you need it (if you don't mind it ugly-ing up your faucet). I may not

have kept using the electric irrigator so often...



Joy





--- In native-nutrition@yahoogroups.com, Thomas Seay <entheogens@...>

wrote:

>

>

> --- On Tue, 1/13/09, Amanda Smith <amanda@...> wrote:

>

>

> > what can/should i do since i am pregnant? have them filled

> > if indeed they are cavities? wait until after birth? is

> > there anything i should absolutely decline if offered?

>

> 1) Don't get them filled with mercury amalgams.  Other than that, I

don't know why you should wait until after birth.  Get them filled.

>

> 2) You might try oil pulling.  I have just started it myself.

> I don't know if it works or not, but some people claim to have had

good results from it.  It's cheap, so worth a shot.

>

>

> -Thomas

>

See messages 88811, 88812, and 88813 here - about using iodine to

kill the bacteria that cause cavities.  My daughter had spots on her

front teeth and holes starting to form.  We put iodine on them

(lugol's) and the next check-up a few weeks later the dentist didn't

mention any caries on her front teeth.



I've read other studies where taking high amounts of vitamin C

reduced the need to brush the teeth by somehow keeping them cleaner.

You don't want to take too much vitamin C in your first trimester

because it can cause miscarriages, but Dr. Klenner wrote up his

interesting experiences of pregnant women taking high doses of

vitamin C later in their pregnancies - no problems before, during, or

after the birth and happy healthy babies.  You can google it.

Klenner vitamin C babies.



--- In native-nutrition@yahoogroups.com, "Amanda Smith" <amanda@...>

wrote:

>

>

> i am in need of help and i would appreciate any advice, anecdotes,

information etc. that you can share. but please be kind. i am very

embarrassed and scared about this and i just don't even know what my

options are going to be or what to do.

>

> i have not been to a dentist for about 10 years or so. i had a baby

almost 4 years ago and i am 9 weeks pregnant now. i was looking at my

teeth and i have a brown spot on the outside of two of my molars and

there may be more i just can't see. i have no pain or sensitivity. i

have heard that women have dental issues after giving birth b/c the

baby takes so much of their fat soluble vitamins and minerals. how

would one go about preventing this in future pregnancies?

>

> what can/should i do since i am pregnant? have them filled if

indeed they are cavities? wait until after birth? is there anything i

should absolutely decline if offered?

>

> i actually do have a name of a dental technician who uses more

holistic methods and is a proponent of raw dairy, so that could be a

plus.

>

> thank you for anything you can share,

> amanda

>

> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

>

   >See messages 88811, 88812, and 88813 here - about using iodine to

   kill the bacteria that cause cavities. My daughter had spots on her

   front teeth and holes starting to form. We put iodine on them

   (lugol's) and the next check-up a few weeks later the dentist didn't

   mention any caries on her front teeth.



   >I've read other studies where taking high amounts of vitamin C

   reduced the need to brush the teeth by somehow keeping them cleaner.

   You don't want to take too much vitamin C in your first trimester

   because it can cause miscarriages, but Dr. Klenner wrote up his

   interesting experiences of pregnant women taking high doses of

   vitamin C later in their pregnancies - no problems before, during, or

   after the birth and happy healthy babies. You can google it.

   Klenner vitamin C babies.







   thank you for listing out those messages! i have been taking 5% iodine daily

for the past few months so maybe i could try it directly on my teeth.



   also, i am using the Klenner protocol for this pregnancy. i take the suggested

4 grams a day right now in my first trimester. i have been looking into this for

the past year or so ever since it was brought to my attention and i am excited

that i can actually follow it now!



   amanda







   .





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Have you looked at Ramiel Nagel's "Cure Tooth Decay" book - it includes

some of the things already mentioned, as well as emphasizing the need

to avoid carbs, sugars (even most fruit if you have active decay), not

because the sugar causes decay but pulls needed minerals away from more

important uses for you at the moment.  High vitamin butter oil,

fermented CLO, raw milk, butter, bone marrow, grass fed meats, lentils,

fish roe... both for you and baby you really need as much nutrient

dense, high fat soluable and mineral content foods you can get.



John

--- Amanda Smith <amanda@...> wrote:

> i was looking at my teeth and i have a brown spot on the outside of

> two of my molars and there may be more i just can't see. i have no

> pain or sensitivity.



Amanda, it might just be tartar:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Calculus_(dental)



Bryan

Amanda,



> i have not been to a dentist for about 10 years or so. i had a baby almost 4

> years ago and i am 9 weeks pregnant now. i was looking at my teeth and i

> have a brown spot on the outside of two of my molars and there may be more i

> just can't see. i have no pain or sensitivity. i have heard that women have

> dental issues after giving birth b/c the baby takes so much of their fat

> soluble vitamins and minerals. how would one go about preventing this in

> future pregnancies?

>

> what can/should i do since i am pregnant? have them filled if indeed they

> are cavities? wait until after birth? is there anything i should absolutely

> decline if offered?



I would be curious as to your current diet before saying much of

anything. You might however order some fermented CLO and butter oil,

and use that combination to help with this issue.



http://www.wolfrivernaturals.com/butter-oil-cod-liver-oil-blend.htm



Michael

--

"We have tried spending money. We are spending more than we have ever

spent before, and it does not work... I say after eight years of this

administration, we have just as much unemployment as when we started

-- and an enormous debt to boot."

- Henry Morgenthau (FDR's Treasury Secretary)

   >I would be curious as to your current diet before saying much of

   >anything. You might however order some fermented CLO and butter oil,

   >and use that combination to help with this issue.







   i have been taking cod liver oil and butter oil for the past almost 4 years.

like 1 teaspoon BO and it used to be 1-2 T. HVCLO and now it's 2 t. fermented

CLO. i have also worked very hard to eat a traditional diet for that long as

well and within the last year have cut out grains and all but very little fruit

and sugar. i eat a high fat diet and low carb. i also have been taking vitamin C

in large amounts (well, relative to the RDA) and iodine, but only started this

in the past few months. now i don't eat liver, but take a liver supp. i eat a

little shellfish/fish, but not consistently. i used to have some bone broth

every day for months, but have been out of that habit and have it at least a

couple of times a week. my digestion seems to be great as far as i know. i eat

at least 8 raw egg yolks a day. i eat mostly raw dairy, but i do often buy past.

cheese and butter.



   does this help give you an idea?



   amanda









   .





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Amanda,



> i have been taking cod liver oil and butter oil for the past almost 4 years.

> like 1 teaspoon BO and it used to be 1-2 T. HVCLO and now it's 2 t.

> fermented CLO.



Why the discrepancy in the amounts taken of butter oil and clo?



> i have also worked very hard to eat a traditional diet for

> that long as well and within the last year have cut out grains and all but

> very little fruit and sugar. i eat a high fat diet and low carb. i also have

> been taking vitamin C in large amounts (well, relative to the RDA) and

> iodine, but only started this in the past few months. now i don't eat liver,

> but take a liver supp. i eat a little shellfish/fish, but not consistently.

> i used to have some bone broth every day for months, but have been out of

> that habit and have it at least a couple of times a week. my digestion seems

> to be great as far as i know. i eat at least 8 raw egg yolks a day. i eat

> mostly raw dairy, but i do often buy past. cheese and butter.

>

> does this help give you an idea?



Yes it does. My guess is if you are getting your complement of fat

soluble vitamins and your diet truly has little or any sugar, and you

truly have tooth decay and not tartar as Bryan has suggested, then you

have a endocrinological problem that is creating a body chemistry

issue leading to tooth decay.



You might want to check out Dr. Melvin Page

(http://www.ppnf.org/catalog/ppnf/page.htm) and his book, _Your Body

is Your Best Doctor_ : http://snipurl.com/a4eaq



Michael

--

"We have tried spending money. We are spending more than we have ever

spent before, and it does not work... I say after eight years of this

administration, we have just as much unemployment as when we started

-- and an enormous debt to boot."

- Henry Morgenthau (FDR's Treasury Secretary)

How about using birch xylitol as a mouthwash?-I do this but would not

recommend consuming the xylitol.

Use grassfed butter to oil swish for 15 minutes in mouth then spit

out.

If you buy pasteurized butter get kerrygold butter(available in

stores) in addition to the butter oil for activator X.

eat shellfish 2x week at least

If your not in pain I wouldnt recommend filling them, I have a cavity

I wont be filling-tooth material is not replaceable and composite

fillings contain toxins like BPA and formaldehyde.



What kind of sugars do you eat? I've read maple syrup is better and

wont cause cavities due to the minerals. Honey promotes cavities.

Try eating only cooked fruit with fat or cutting out fruit/sugars for

a time.



I also recommend having a dentist check your teeth every few  months

to see if they improve or get worse.

You could try applying uncle harrys bee propolis to your decayed

spots.

Eat more cheese

Eat as much nutrient dense foods as you can afford because you need

more than usual during pregnancy to supply fetus



2-4+ cups of raw grassfed milk daily (add 1 ounce of raw cream to

every 6 ounces of milk for regular whole milk, drink at room

temperature if possible).

2 cups daily of bone soup, made from slow cooking the bones & organs

of fish, chicken, beef and so on.

1-4 tablespoons of grassfed bone marrow. Either raw or cooked.

>>From-http://www.curetoothdecay.com/Tooth_Decay/foods_stop_decay.htm

   i appreciate all of the responses i have had on this subject!



   >If you buy pasteurized butter get kerrygold butter(available in

   stores) in addition to the butter oil for activator X.

   eat shellfish 2x week at least



   i actually buy Organic Pastures "pastured butter" that is grass fed.





   >What kind of sugars do you eat?



   i don't eat sugar. occasionally i eat commercial ice cream, but i usually

can't get past a few bites b/c it's just too sweet. i never eat honey. if i have

fruit, it is frozen rasberries. but maybe i should cook them.





   >I also recommend having a dentist check your teeth every few months

   to see if they improve or get worse.

   You could try applying uncle harrys bee propolis to your decayed

   spots.

   Eat more cheese

   Eat as much nutrient dense foods as you can afford because you need

   more than usual during pregnancy to supply fetus



   i eat a lot of cheese and butter and i have been making considerable effort to

spend our budget on only nutrient dense foods. i don't buy junk or superfluous

produce and grains. i drink more cream than milk and add lots of egg yolks.

thank you for the link to curetoothdecay. about the only things i don't eat are

bone marrow--haven't scoped out a local place to get it, and shellfish--at least

not very regularly.



   from my original post i was basically saying i don't *know* if i have

cavities, just that when i looked at my teeth i had spots that looked unusual. i

have not yet been to a dentist, which is why i wanted some advice before i made

the appointment--i wanted to know what to expect. but yes, since i do not have

pain or sensitivity i have been ignoring them and hoping i am doing things

right.



   amanda







   .





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>   i actually buy Organic Pastures "pastured butter" that is grass



thats good butter too if you go to the organic valley website you can

get coupon for a dollar off the butter





>   i eat a lot of cheese and butter and i have been making

considerable effort to spend our budget on only nutrient dense foods.

i don't buy junk or superfluous produce and grains. about the only

things i don't eat are bone marrow--haven't scoped out a local place

to get it, and shellfish--at least not very regularly.



I remember reading sally fallon recommends eating at least 3 eggs a

day and 3-4 cups raw milk while

whole foods sells marrow bones

kerrygold makes a cheese that is grassfed in most grocery stores





>   from my original post i was basically saying i don't *know* if i

have cavities, just that when i looked at my teeth i had spots that

looked unusual.



I have a spot on my molar and i'm not sure if its a cavity but i'm

not in pain.