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Re: [NN] Fish Oils and Food Intolerance (was Food Intolerance Diet   Message List  
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Steph,

> The asthma got worse, and I now believe that's because I
> started eating so many salicylates with NT, which we started gung ho
> on 2 1/2 years ago. Before that, for most of my life, I didn't eat
> high salicylate foods - I just didn't like those kinds of foods (well,
> except for tea, which I've always loved! LOL). I do think I had mild
> signs of the asthma throughout my life, like when I went around heated
> swimming pools and hot tubs.

> 2 years ago, I went dairy and gluten free (got tested through
> Enterolab).

Did your dairy and gluten intolerance seem to be precipitated at the
same time? If so, I am having a discussion with someone offlist about
the possible role of EPA from fish oil and cod liver oil causing
dietary intolerances. We've looked at some studies showing that in
mice, inhibitors of the COX2 enzyme, which converts the omega-6
arachidonic acid into hormone metabolites, cause massive villous
atrophy when administered with egg protein, but egg protein causes no
symptoms without the COX2 inhibitors. (Examples of this drug include
all NSAIDs -- aspirin, ibuprofen, naproxyn, etc, as well as the
COX2-specific newer drugs).

Turns out that arachidonic acid is necessary for sealing the tight
junctions in the intestines and preventing immune-mediated villous
atrophy.

But the omega-3 EPA antagnoizes the conversion of arachidonic acid
(AA) to those metabolites, so in high doses it's probably doing the
same thing as the COX2 inhibitor drugs, and leading to food
intolerance.

Many of us have used a lot more cod liver oil than Price considered
safe -- 3/4 tsp per day, in combination with 3/4 teaspoon of butter
oil. His use of generous organ meats and butter in the diet may have
provided sufficient omega-6 arachidonic acid to balance the omega-3
EPA in the cod liver oil.

By far and away the best source of AA is brain. Fish-eating cultures
that Price studied ate FISH HEADS. Which one of us, after switching
to NT, has eaten most of our fish with the heads on?

Chris
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Fri Oct 27, 2006 10:49 am

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Steph, ... Did your dairy and gluten intolerance seem to be precipitated at the same time? If so, I am having a discussion with someone offlist about the...
Chris Masterjohn
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Oct 27, 2006
11:01 am

Wow Chris, ... I am so glad you shared this information. It is worth looking into further. ... That is not the case for this dairy/gluten intolerant girl; I...
yoginidd Offline Send Email Oct 27, 2006
12:45 pm

Deanna, ... Yes that would count to whatever extent you eat much of them. ... I'm not sure. Liver is a good source of AA, but I don't have any numbers on it...
Chris Masterjohn
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Oct 27, 2006
2:29 pm

Chris, ... Well, looky what I found at the Korean market today! If I like these guys, I will get them weekly. They are roe capelin; now does that mean they...
yoginidd Offline Send Email Oct 27, 2006
7:53 pm

... According to Sally, they may also be an excellent source of Vit. A. ... I'm driving out to Arlington in a few weeks. Want me to bring it to ya? LOL. Steph...
Steph
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Oct 28, 2006
12:39 pm

Hi Steph, ... These fish (roe carpelin) were 15 cm long and had a good 7 grams of roe (aka fish eggs) per piece. They were mild and really good from head to...
yoginidd Offline Send Email Oct 29, 2006
12:12 am

Deanna- ... Freeze-dried liver is defatted, so no, it's not quite an ideal substitute for fresh or frozen liver that's intact. Better than nothing, though. ...
Paul Idol
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Nov 17, 2006
5:24 pm

Would it be just as good though if you added your own fat? Like butter, coconut, olive oil, or lard? ... Elizabeth Parashis artpages@... zine: ...
Elizabeth Parashis
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Nov 18, 2006
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... No, that would not improve it at all, because the problem is that the liver fat is missing, which is unique. Chris -- The Truth About Cholesterol Find Out...
Chris Masterjohn
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Nov 18, 2006
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... Paul, Now Foods liver *powder* isn't defatted. no additives either. Not freeze-dried but low-heat processed. I haven't actually tried eating any, but I...
downwardog7 Offline Send Email Nov 18, 2006
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... I think I had issues with dairy my whole life. I had to be given soy formula as an infant - just found that out recently. I'm actually wondering here...
Steph
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Oct 27, 2006
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... Chris, Would you mind posting some of the studies you're looking at to the list or send to me privately? This is fascinating and important information. I'd...
Suze Fisher
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Oct 27, 2006
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