Re: [native-nutrition] calcium from shrimp and small fish
Mike-
>>The prevalence of osteoporosis in developing countries is low
>>compared to most industrialised countries despite an apparent low Ca
>>intake. It is possible, however, that food surveys have overlooked
>>important Ca sources in developing countries. Small fish eaten with
>>the bones can be a rich source of Ca, even though Ca from bone may be
>>considered unavailable for absorption.
Much more likely they're failing to consider hypochlorhydria. Contrary to
popular wisdom, it turns out that stomach acid _is_ necessary for calcium
absorption, and the modern diet, whether in a calcium-deficient form or
not, seems to induce hypochlorhydria quite reliably.
@@@@@@ http://barquall.notlong.com Researchers from Thailand have looked at the calcium content of small fish, which are traditionally eaten whole. A small...
Mike- ... Much more likely they're failing to consider hypochlorhydria. Contrary to popular wisdom, it turns out that stomach acid _is_ necessary for calcium ...
Paul Idol
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Feb 1, 2004 6:08 pm
... Did I miss something? Does this mean that bone broth is NOT a good source of calcium? Jo ___________________________________________________________ BT...
Jo- ... There's probably not that much calcium in bone broth. However, bone broth seems to enhance digestion and absorption, so it likely improves the ...
Paul Idol
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Feb 1, 2004 7:50 pm
... Just checking NT, and Sally states "Acidic wine or vinegar added during cooking helps to draw minerals, particularly calcium, magnesium and potassium into...
Jo- ... The problem is that you need a _lot_ of acid to draw meaningful amounts of minerals out of bone into soluble, absorbable, bioavailable form. I'm sure ...
Paul Idol
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Feb 1, 2004 9:52 pm
... @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@ The point of that sentence is that it's clear bone is rich in Ca, but whether or not it can be *absorbed* is not clear. Then of course the...
... Or use both ... I think Jo was asking earlier (and I seem to have deleted the mail) about making broth with shrimp ... basically the ethnicities that use...
... Ca ... with ... may be ... Contrary to ... calcium ... form or ... @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@ It's even more likely they're failing to consider dozens of other ...
Mike- ... Oh, based on some recent research I've done I'd absolutely include hypochlorhydria in the list, but of course you're right, there are numerous other...
Paul Idol
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Feb 1, 2004 9:54 pm
... And 80% of gluten intolerant people have osteoporosis or osteopenia ... -- Heidi...
Wow! Thanks! And I'd bet that ground up and fermented, that calcium is REALLY absorbable. No wonder they can get by without milk products in Korea. They use...
... wrote: > ... I now have some dried shrimp - can I add it whole to kimchi or should i grind it first? I also have some anchovies (yuk!) The grocery had ...
... You CAN add them whole but they are unappetizing for most Westerners. I grind 'em in the blender. You can put the shrimp, some water and salt, and your...
... I believe sepia is actually the name of the cuttlefish ink. It is used in homeopathy to treat people who withdraw within themselves, cut themselves off....
... Reminds me of a Spanish dish, which is octopus "en su tinta" -- cooked in it's ink. Lots of pigment ... I don't remember what it tasted like though. --...
In a message dated 2/1/04 3:10:34 PM Eastern Standard Time, ... Sorry if someone already mentioned this, but since most recipes outside of NT for bone broths...
In a message dated 2/1/04 4:52:54 PM Eastern Standard Time, ... Since Ca is held in bone by the collagen matrix, if the collagen matrix dissolves, how could...
Chris- ... Bone is made strong by collagen, but think of chalk -- there's no collagen in it, and it's quite shatter-prone and crumbly. Clearly a well-made...
Paul Idol
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Feb 3, 2004 12:32 am
Paul, ... Bone matrix can't be formed at all without collagen. but think of chalk -- there's no collagen > in it, and it's quite ... Would it stay together if...
@@@@@@@@@@@@@@ Approximately 48 ... eggs ... @@@@@@@@@@@@@ i can't think of any reason not to just save the shells from ordinary egg usage and then soak them...
... you'll find a post by Vinny Pinto ... Surely you meant it's much too faffy? ;-) Jo ___________________________________________________________ BT Yahoo!...
This is very interesting ... how many eggs/lemon juice.. or just to cover? ... _________________________________________________________________ Let the new...
Like I said, I haven't yet tried it, but that's my understanding that you use enough juice to cover however many eggs you place in the jar. It's obviously not...
Heidi, I imagine you could use just the egg shells without any problem, but there's something about the membranes containing albumin. I'm no scientist and...
... You can add seseme seeds to the kimchi ... they do add flavor and the fermenting releases the calcium. You can also grind up whole fish, like anchovies,...
... wrote: > ... Heidi Are the dried fish cooked and dried or raw and dried? I'm just wondering about buying a tin of sardines, rinsing the sauce off and...
... In terms of calcium, the fact they are canned doesn't make a difference. Canned sardines DO have a lot of oil, which might change the kimchi (and the fish...
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