hadn't really thought of it in this way. THanks, Daniel. There is the
perfect time and place for everything and I wouldn't want this
movement to be compromised in any way.

Oprah has a few gurus. i like her spiritual gurus very much, but her
nutrition/health gurus are Dr. Memet Oz and Bob Greene. There is also
another doctor she uses, but I don't know his name. I wish she had at
least followed Dr.Northrup's philosophy in trying to get healthy--I
know Northrup still touts the value of soy, but she at least doesn't
demonize saturated fat and her approach is very holistic.

Anyhow, the other interesting point is that Oprah's chat group people
have apparently censored my e-mails? Seems so strange! I have written
2 posts which they have not put up on site and I am wondering if I
have made some sort of mistake when I tried to post it or are they
actually censoring it? Scary!

Lisa

--- In native-nutrition@yahoogroups.com, Daniel Holt
<danthemanholt@...> wrote:
>
> I hate the narrow mindedness of the mass culture. They always want
a quick fix to their problems rather than to read from the individuals
who know this stuff through and through. I was looking for something
definitive and found Sally Fallon, Mary Enig, and then Weston A. Price
and then others. There have always been massive limitations to many
of the authors I've read beforehand. Always introducing poor science
and saying "that's all you need to do". So the individual will just
stop there and stop questioning things. Then the same cycle of
problems manifest in a different way. That's the reason why I don't
think she will gain that much interest or even gain the right type of
deserved interest even if she is featured. I genuinely like what WAPF
represents. It's my theory, but it could hurt the reputation as the
EatFatLoseFat will become another fad. It will be just another "one
of those fad diets". What it will do is help many of it's
> supporters as perhaps professionals that support WAPF and the
traditional ways will get more clients. Which is good. I think the
true values that we'd like to instill on the mass media will be
overlooked. I don't know if I'm being overly skeptical about the
outcome or too optimistic of the meaning of it. I hate the fact that
everything is in a pill now and find out you get more balance from
natural wholesome sources. My reality is so artificial. So many
people are unaware and exposed to all these modern poisons. I feel if
we don't become extinct in the next decade it will happen in sometime
during this century as we're all being lead more and more astray by
our "shortcuts" of modern society..
>
> I know it represents traditional ways and that's probably one of the
reasons Oprah may reject it. We live in a fast paced society and many
people just do not have time to slow down. We live in hectic times.
There are still many good points, like raw milk and teaching just how
warped our modern views can be, how it's being manipulated. How we're
being mislead about proper fat sources and other various political
issues. That's definately a big issue. I theorize one bad outcome
could be that if raw dairy is legalized many of the farmers that
aren't capable of grasping the concept of wholesome farming will be
forced to push poor quality perhaps dangerous raw milk. That will
also make the WAPF movement look bad. I would definately like these
subjects be thoroughly looked into by Oprah and WAPF advocates such as
Sally Fallon, Mary Enig, Chris Masterjohn, etc. Naw, it would just be
a shallow stint.
>
> Kinda more like ramblings, oh well.
>
> Thank you,
> Daniel Holt
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Jan 13, 2009, at 6:32 AM, "paulsonntagericson"
<paulsonntagericson@...> wrote:
>
> Someone should send her "Eat Fat, Lose Fat". I would guess she gets
> tons of books and has a team to screen them. I think she's at a point
> now where she might consider alternatives to the old ways she's been
> following that have failed her up to this point.
>
> Who are the two "experts" you are referring to? (I only follow Oprah
> on the covers of gossip magazines while I wait in line at the store)
>
> Cheers,
>
> Paul
>
> --- In native-nutrition@yahoogroups.com, Michael <slethnobotanist@>
> wrote:
> >
> > Lisa,
> >
> > > Does this drive anyone else crazy as well? I don't watch much tv or
> > > read much mainstream material, but when I see Oprah advocating a low
> > > fat diet to her millions of viewers after repeated attempts
herself to
> > > lose weight and stay healthy, I get so frustrated! Wouldn't it be
> > > great if Oprah would at least look at the WAPF site? This is the
> > > second e-mail I have sent her. I am hoping someone on her team at
> > > least takes a look. Wow, it could be so life changing for not only
> > > Oprah, but for so many people. I wonder if it's even possible at
this
> > > stage for her to recommend a WAPF diet to her viewers?
> >
> > What does Oprah weigh these days, two fidy? And a goiter problem to
> > boot. Sadly she is surrounded by and taking advice from two "gurus"
> > who would find the WAPF site sacrilegious.
> >
> > Michael
> > --
> > "Every gun that is made, every warship launched, every rocket fired
> > signifies, in the final sense, a theft from those who hunger and are
> > not fed, those who are cold and are not clothed. This world in arms is
> > not spending money alone. It is spending the sweat of its laborers,
> > the genius of its scientists, the hopes of its children…. Under the
> > cloud of threatening war, it is humanity hanging from a cross of
> > iron."
> >
> > ~ Dwight Eisenhower
> >
>
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