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Re: [nathaniel_branden] Re: Libertarianism, defended

On Wed, 26 Mar 2003, Peter Smitt wrote:

> So I'd like to know what the position of the objectivists on this list
> is. Either they agree with Peikoff and think that libertarians are the
> archenemy of objectivism, or they agree with Branden (who calls
> himself a libertarian) that objectivism is just one particular brand
> of libertarianism.

There is a world of difference between libertarianism as a political
philosophy and the Libertarian Party. In my experience, the LP tends to
more anti-government than pro-liberty. Far too many of its participants
are motivated by a rebellion against authority and a desire to smoke dope
et al legally than a genuine regard for individual rights. I have neither
love nor respect for the LP.

Small-l libertarianism is a political philosophy of individual rights and
minimal government. Some attempt to justify it in wrong ways, but that
doesn't make libertarianism itself any more problematic than egoism is as
a moral theory. And without a doubt Objectivism's political philosophy is
a libertarian one. However, that doesn't imply that Objectivists must
accept the arguments of non-Objectivist libertarians, although many of
them are compatible with Objectivist and worth attending to. The point is
merely a descriptive one.

So I'm not a Libertarian, but I am libertarian -- and so are other
Objectivists, whether they recognize it or not.

diana.

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In response to Monica Pignotti's posting, (message # 5506, from Monday, 3/24), Monica specifically goes out of her way to cite Peter Schwartz' article,...
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Re the argument about Libertarianism, I invite you to visit my web site and read my article, "We are All Libertarians Nowl" Nathaniel Branden [Non-text...
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Dear Dr. Branden; Thank you, sir. I shall be happy to read your article. Thanks! Steven Barger...
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Although I have no interest in engaging Mr. Barger in a debate on "Libertarianism" on this list serv or anywhere else, if anyone would like to see my rebuttal...
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To all who are interested; Monica Pignotti has offered to send, back channel, her reply to my rebuttal of Schwartz. To all who are interested, I shall be happy...
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... I've been a Libertarian since 1977, and this is certainly not my point of view. Moreover, I think Peter Schwartz makes several errors in his essay, one of ...
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... the ... point of ... I hope you realize that this is an impotent point. Have you thought that maybe if that's not your point of view, you're not really a ...
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... I'll assume that you're not specifically talking about the LP or any particular self described libertarian's point of view, but Libertarianism (as an...
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Among many useful articles against Libertarianism, here's a good one: http://capmag.com/article.asp?ID=2469 And yes this is against all related subjects,...
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Where is it? I couldn't find it. Lance...
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...Go to www.nathanielbranden.org and then click on "Ayn Rand and Objectivism" on the bottom. You should see a link to the essay on the page that comes up. ...
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A week or so ago I was discussing the fact that I thought Dr. B had seemingly lost some of his precision insofar as philosophy was concerned. Among the...
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... There is a world of difference between libertarianism as a political philosophy and the Libertarian Party. In my experience, the LP tends to more...
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Although I fancy myself an independent thinker, I agree with everything Diana wrote below on libertarianism (small 'l')and Objectivism. :-) One exception is my...
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I did not discuss Libertarianism because I have little interest in the Libertarian party and regard it as futile. But libertarianism as a political vision is...
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I would tend to agree with Diane......I mean take a look at the candidates these people have been using!!!! I can't see how they could ever hope to align...
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In any number of surveys to determine what influences led most people to libertarianism, Ayn Rand won out ahead of any other writer. nb [Non-text portions of...
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