Re: [nathaniel_branden] Re: Important Question for the List
I wrote:
> > I miss the structured and focused nature of the OWL list.
>
> Has it occurred to you that most lists become moribund
> precisely BECAUSE they are heavily moderated?
In the case of OWL, "modertation" had nothing *at all* to do with its
closing. I'm afraid you don't have the slightest clue what you are
talking about.
> I suspect I'm welcome to do that [post philosophical links/issues].
I think it should be exceedingly obvious that since I tried (and
failed) to have a civil conversation with you on the topic you posted
here, that I have no objection to such topics, per say.
I've already spent too much time explicating why I object to many of
your posts, and unfortunately, I see that my effort has been
completely wasted. If you truly care to understand how I believe
your posts are problematic to this list's focus and purpose, please
re-read what I've already said; you'll not find any objections to
"topic".
... Has it occurred to you that most lists become moribund precisely BECAUSE they are heavily moderated? ... Translated: Nathan Hawking presents a link to...
... In the case of OWL, "modertation" had nothing *at all* to do with its closing. I'm afraid you don't have the slightest clue what you are talking about. ...
RCR: I wasn't going to respond to this post, but I've changed my mind. ... OK ... The effort was wasted because the effort consisted of two massive polemics...
I guess what I'm unclear about at this point is what kind of content would be considered unacceptable. I mean, obviously posts that are offensive or whatever...
... Oh, I completely agree. I'm just trying to establish to what degree folks are married to the unmoderated format. I don't have a clear set of rules in mind...
... Did anyone bother asking The Big Kahuna? I can't help thinking that would be a good idea, since this place has his name on it. For the record, I don't...
I've been way too busy to try to follow the discussion between RCR and Nathan Hawking. However, RCR's "Important Question" post caught my eye. I have my...
... What do you think? ... That this whole thing is a tempest in a teapot. A non-issue. And it's true: moderated lists go into extended states of rigor. Leave...
... OWL didn't. (As I said, I don't think that the OWL format would work here; but the reason OWL is closing isn't because it went into "rigor." The format...
... You are right, on both counts, and for the reasons stated. I remember. Of course, there were some real prissy moments on OWL. I generally stayed away from...
... I'll take your word for that, Ellen. I went to a web page for OWL, though, and read the rather long list of rules. The one-post-daily rule was enough to...
... That rule irritated a number of people. ... Depends what you mean by "over-controlled." Opinions differed. The list wasn't to everyone's taste as a place...
On the issue of a moderated list, I will follow Legendre: "Laissez nous faire, laissez nous passer; la monde va de lui-meme". I think this readily applies to...
... It's a guaranteed way to pry ~me~ out of here... :) rde Leave thought control to James Dobson, Pat Robertson, and all those other smarmy freaks....
... Under most other circumstances, I would completely agree with you, however, the purpose of *this* list has never been to be "free-floating", it is a forum...
... This list has survived for years, since it was over on NB's home page. It has covered a lot of great ground. Why all this sudden interest in putting a...
... As I've already said, Rich, what this is "really about" is bringing an appropriate level of purpose and focus to this list, one way or another. RCR...
... It's about a lot more than that. It's about: (1) preventing offensive messages and personal attacks (what fun would I have here if you censored those?) (2)...
... Considering the simple fact that less that 1% of the list has expressed an opinion on the matter, I'm really not so sure....such an alteration in format...
For the longest time I preferred the structure of a moderated list. There are several advantages to it. It allows for a higher signal-to- noise ratio....
Just thought of one more suggestion. If you truly want to know the thoughts of lurkers & occasional posters, you could could admimister a ~very~ brief survey...
Walter, Unfortunately, a moderator is absolutely necessary not only because cheap talk does drive out dear but human nature in any society needs and requires...
... I tried to mentally run through all the cheap shots I remember since I've been here. Well, really I started out by trying to remember my worst ones, since...
... wrote: a couple of people were kicked, ... couldn't ... I should have said "harrassing," not "annoying." rde Sissies get annoyed: the rest of us get...
... I'm not sure why your post was directed toward me. To be clear, I'm not part of the management of this list. I was only offering my personal opinions on...
First, thanks to the list for what turned into a great conversation on the format and value of "the list"... Second, I apologize for the delay in bringing this...
... one ... A-1 smart move, kimo-sabi. Never doubted you for a second. I've been thinking about that quote, but can't remember which book it's in. Which effing...
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