In a message dated 12/31/2003 4:07:04 PM Eastern Standard Time, hfisk@...
writes:
I always think what you wish for another you wish for your life as well. A
nice story Heath!
Thanks for sharing
> This 'feels' very right. It reminds me of an older friend I have in AlAnon.
>
> When her son was drinking heavily and riding a mtorcycle without a helmet,
> she
> felt anxious and helpless. She began blessing motorcyclists whom she saw
> riding without helmets. She'd imagine an umbrella of blessings and lovely
> flowers
> coming down around their heads. Years later, long after her son had shaped
> up,
> she shared this story at an open 12 step meeting. A heavily tatooed and
> well-muscled cyclist came up to her afterwards, and said he must have been
> one of
> those whom she showered with blessings, as he narrowly escaped some bad
> accidents.
>
> Heath
>



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> I would like for the list to bless those people and wish them healing and
> true love and sexuality. I think this is the only way to stop them. So
> before we
> delete bless the person who sent it.
>
This 'feels' very right. It reminds me of an older friend I have in AlAnon.
When her son was drinking heavily and riding a mtorcycle without a helmet, she
felt anxious and helpless. She began blessing motorcyclists whom she saw
riding without helmets. She'd imagine an umbrella of blessings and lovely
flowers
coming down around their heads. Years later, long after her son had shaped up,
she shared this story at an open 12 step meeting. A heavily tatooed and
well-muscled cyclist came up to her afterwards, and said he must have been one
of
those whom she showered with blessings, as he narrowly escaped some bad
accidents.

Heath




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> My feelings are that the more we get upset over them, the more
> energy we send them and they will just multiply. 
>
My feelings, exactly!

Heath




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Thank you purity, I am going to ponder that more intently.
>
> From: Purityint1@...
> Date: 2003/12/30 Tue PM 02:53:28 GMT
> To: mysslist@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: CM Porn messages
>
> In a message dated 12/29/2003 10:23:19 PM Eastern Standard Time,
> kabeth@... writes:
> The Prostitute is the guardian of Faith and for me trust also. The prostitute
> can keep you safe  and will become your ally when you are about to  place
> that faith outside of yourself into another person place or thing you think
has
> power over you and your life.
> At some point you will look at ways in which you sell yourself and make the
> commitment to trust the Divine more than what is placed in front of you.
> Many people will prostitute themselves to be accepted by a group going
> against what they know to be  true and right for them.  Many times in a bad
marriage
> or job for love or money.:) You have to learn this lesson to and be able to
> take a stand in faith.
> I personally think as long as resist the porn it wil lcontinue.
> I would like for the list to bless those people and wish them healing and
> true love and sexuality. I think this is the only way to stop them. So before
we
> delete bless the person who sent it.
> Much Love
> Purity
> > Purity,
> > I do not believe these porn things can be eliminated.  These people spend
> > day and night trying new ways.  Deleteing appears the way to go.  Mark,  I
> > agree also it is difficult to look at the shaddow.  I had been looking at
> > and coming to terms with the aspect of myself that had been a prostitute.  I
> > don't mean in a sexual sense.   Prostitute in the sense how I had
> > comprimised myself in difficult work situations, and relationships, always
> > being the one to compromise first. It was a couple of weeks afterwards that
> > my IE was hijacked by scene after scene of pornographic images.  Before the
> > porn stuff took over, I had been spending time recognizing the negative side
> > of the prostitute in my life and attempting to find a positive aspect, so
> > that I could truly blend her into my life.  After a few weeks of looking at
> > those lewd images, in an attempt to fix the computer, I really came to
> > really know the negative of the Archetypal image.  I am still looking for
> > the positive in the image, but I have had enough of the lewd and crude.  One
> > thing I have learned, is how to recognize those emails, and delete
> > immediately.
> >  Mark,  I do not hold you or any of the other moderators responsible for
> > this. It's impossible to get rid of all of this stuff.  To me it appears to
> > target people that are working on themselves.  One of the technicians that
> > helped with my comp.  said that he had helped a Christian Prayer list
> > similar to this one.
> > I would appreciate any insight to positive aspects of the prostitute, as I
> > am unable to find anything on my own.....
> >
>
>
>
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Hi all this meditation is done world wide every New years eve at 7am est .
I thought I would share it for those who wanted to participate


World Healing Meditation

In the beginning
In the beginning God.
In the beginning God created the heaven
and the earth.
And God said Let there be light:
and there was light.

Now is the time of the new beginning.
I am a co-creator with God, and it is a
new Heaven that comes,
as the Good Will of God is expressed on
Earth through me.
It is the Kingdom of Light, Love, Peace and Understanding.
And I am doing my part to reveal its Reality.

I begin with me.
I am a living Soul and the Spirit of God
dwells in me, as me.
I and the Father are one,
and all that the Father has is mine.
In Truth, I am the Christ of God.

What is true of me is true of everyone,
for God is all and all is God.
I see only the Spirit of God in every Soul.
And to every man, woman and child on Earth
I say:
I love you, for you are me. You are my Holy Self.

I now open my heart, and let the pure essence of
Unconditional Love pour out.
I see it as a Golden Light radiating from the
center of my being,
and I feel its Divine Vibration in and through me,
above and below me.

I am one with the Light.
I am filled with the Light.
I am illumined by the Light.
I am the Light of the world.

With purpose of mind, I send forth the Light.
I let the radiance go before me to join
the other Lights.
I know this is happening all over the world
at this moment.
I see the merging Lights.
There is now one Light.
We are the Light of the world.

     The one Light of Love, Peace and Understanding is moving.
It flows across the face of the Earth,
touching and illuminating every soul
in the shadow of the illusion.
And where there was darkness,
there is now the Light of Reality.

And the Radiance grows, permeating, saturating every form of life.
There is only the vibration of one Perfect Life now.
All the kingdoms of the Earth respond,
and the Planet is alive with Light and Love.

There is total Oneness, and in this Oneness we speak the Word.
Let the sense of separation be dissolved.
Let mankind be returned to Godkind.

Let peace come forth in every mind.
Let Love flow forth from every heart.
Let forgiveness reign in every soul.
Let understanding be the common bond.

And now from the Light of the world,
the One Presence and
Power of the Universe responds.
The Activity of God is healing and harmonizing Planet Earth.
Omnipotence is made manifest.

I am seeing the salvation of the Planet
before my very eyes, as all false beliefs
and error patterns are dissolved.
The sense of separation is no more;
the healing has taken place,
and the world is restored to sanity.

This is the beginning of Peace on Earth
and Good Will toward all,
as Love flows forth from every heart,
forgiveness reigns in every soul,
and all hearts and minds are one in perfect understanding.

It is done. And it is so






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In a message dated 12/29/2003 10:23:19 PM Eastern Standard Time,
kabeth@... writes:
The Prostitute is the guardian of Faith and for me trust also. The prostitute
can keep you safe  and will become your ally when you are about to  place
that faith outside of yourself into another person place or thing you think has
power over you and your life.
At some point you will look at ways in which you sell yourself and make the
commitment to trust the Divine more than what is placed in front of you.
Many people will prostitute themselves to be accepted by a group going
against what they know to be  true and right for them.  Many times in a bad
marriage
or job for love or money.:) You have to learn this lesson to and be able to
take a stand in faith.
I personally think as long as resist the porn it wil lcontinue.
I would like for the list to bless those people and wish them healing and
true love and sexuality. I think this is the only way to stop them. So before we
delete bless the person who sent it.
Much Love
Purity
> Purity,
> I do not believe these porn things can be eliminated.  These people spend
> day and night trying new ways.  Deleteing appears the way to go.  Mark,  I
> agree also it is difficult to look at the shaddow.  I had been looking at
> and coming to terms with the aspect of myself that had been a prostitute.  I
> don't mean in a sexual sense.   Prostitute in the sense how I had
> comprimised myself in difficult work situations, and relationships, always
> being the one to compromise first. It was a couple of weeks afterwards that
> my IE was hijacked by scene after scene of pornographic images.  Before the
> porn stuff took over, I had been spending time recognizing the negative side
> of the prostitute in my life and attempting to find a positive aspect, so
> that I could truly blend her into my life.  After a few weeks of looking at
> those lewd images, in an attempt to fix the computer, I really came to
> really know the negative of the Archetypal image.  I am still looking for
> the positive in the image, but I have had enough of the lewd and crude.  One
> thing I have learned, is how to recognize those emails, and delete
> immediately.
>  Mark,  I do not hold you or any of the other moderators responsible for
> this. It's impossible to get rid of all of this stuff.  To me it appears to
> target people that are working on themselves.  One of the technicians that
> helped with my comp.  said that he had helped a Christian Prayer list
> similar to this one.
> I would appreciate any insight to positive aspects of the prostitute, as I
> am unable to find anything on my own.....
>



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In a message dated 12/29/2003 7:31:19 PM Central Standard Time,
mc1@... writes:
HOWEVER....be careful what you wish for!    Moderating a newsgroup is a small
step away from censorship......do we really want to go there?

Peace,
Mark
NO< A MILLION TIMES no

I used to go to an addiction site; there was what some call trash talking,
some humorous, some nasty

some moderators decided to "clean it up", well, like any topic there are two
or more ways to look at it, so they began to delete those messages that did
not share their view point

The site closed and has been re opened by AOL which takes away anonymity


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In a message dated 12/29/03 8:31:24 PM US Eastern Standard Time,
mc1@... writes:

> HOWEVER....be careful what you wish for!   Moderating a newsgroup is a
> small step away from censorship......do we really want to go there?
>
>

My vote is no.  I just delete them - I don't feel they are that difficult to
recognize.  My feelings are that the more we get upset over them, the more
energy we send them and they will just multiply.
Maureen


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Hi everyone, the way I cut down on the porn is by using the spam control in
settings. I put every word I could think of that may be in a porn message
subject line. Example: breasts, big, sexy... you get the picture. It has almost
stopped these messages. Also, the name of the ones sending the junk, there is a
section for cutting out those names. I really can't understand why they  would
choose a spiritual group, (I wonder if someone has a teenager, with a
problem?). But I also delete quite abit. Just some ideas....
Mark you do an excellent job, we love you!

Jo Anne
Light thru Knowledge....


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In a message dated 12/29/03 10:23:02 PM Eastern Standard Time,
kabeth@... writes:

> I would appreciate any insight to positive aspects of the prostitute, as I
> am unable to find anything on my own.....


We all sell ourselves to some degree in order to put food (ie. meat) on the
table ...

I got over the porn stuff a long time ago when someone tapped into my email
to send out porn .... how horrifying to realize that my name was attached to
150 pieces of porn mail ... and they say I was one of the luck ones most people
don't know that their email address  has been hijacked until 1500+ pieces have
been sent out causing them to be disconnected for improper behavior.  Not
only do these folks keep sending out from different addresses ..... just think
.... soon one of them could be yours.

Peace, blessings and love,  Susan


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Purity,
I do not believe these porn things can be eliminated.  These people spend
day and night trying new ways.  Deleteing appears the way to go.  Mark,  I
agree also it is difficult to look at the shaddow.  I had been looking at
and coming to terms with the aspect of myself that had been a prostitute.  I
don't mean in a sexual sense.   Prostitute in the sense how I had
comprimised myself in difficult work situations, and relationships, always
being the one to compromise first. It was a couple of weeks afterwards that
my IE was hijacked by scene after scene of pornographic images.  Before the
porn stuff took over, I had been spending time recognizing the negative side
of the prostitute in my life and attempting to find a positive aspect, so
that I could truly blend her into my life.  After a few weeks of looking at
those lewd images, in an attempt to fix the computer, I really came to
really know the negative of the Archetypal image.  I am still looking for
the positive in the image, but I have had enough of the lewd and crude.  One
thing I have learned, is how to recognize those emails, and delete
immediately.
   Mark,  I do not hold you or any of the other moderators responsible for
this. It's impossible to get rid of all of this stuff.  To me it appears to
target people that are working on themselves.  One of the technicians that
helped with my comp.  said that he had helped a Christian Prayer list
similar to this one.
I would appreciate any insight to positive aspects of the prostitute, as I
am unable to find anything on my own.....
----- Original Message -----
From: <Purityint1@...>
To: <mysslist@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, December 29, 2003 6:46 PM
Subject: Re: CM Porn messages


Hello mc1@...,
Mark you do a good job moderating and I do believe some things need a little
censorship. LOL. But this is not one of them since it is impossible.
  trying to stop porn is like finding a needle in the haystack anyway. It is
a
shadow no one cares to look at.
It might be wise for list members it offends to take a proactive part by
writing to yahoo themselves. I just delete a lot.
You can also read the digest version of the list and can skip those posts
that seem to be Porn. This way they do not come into your mailbox. You can
still
answer the posts you want to answer.
No matter what server you are on they all have the same problem even without
an email list.


č It's not at all pleasing to look at our shadow, huh?  I am
č not inclined to moderate this group in the fashion that
č has been suggested.   If anyone has the time and
č inclination to volunteer then please let me know and I
č will see what can be arranged.  HOWEVER....be
č careful what you wish for!    Moderating a newsgroup is
č a small step away from censorship......do we really
č want to go there?  Peace, Mark



========Original Message========
Subj:    RE: CM Porn messages
  Date:   12/29/2003 8:31:16 PM Eastern Standard Time
  From:   mc1@...
  Reply-to:   mysslist@yahoogroups.com
  To:     mysslist@yahoogroups.com
  Sent from the Internet (Details)



It's not at all pleasing to look at our shadow, huh?

I am not inclined to moderate this group in the fashion that has been
suggested.   If anyone has the time and inclination to volunteer then please
let me
know and I will see what can be arranged.

HOWEVER....be careful what you wish for!   Moderating a newsgroup is a small
step away from censorship......do we really want to go there?

Peace,
Mark

-----Original Message-----
From: suephipps@... [mailto:suephipps@...]
Sent: Monday, December 29, 2003 7:24 PM
To: mysslist@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: CM Porn messages


I appreciate your suggestion, but I believe this would not only create a
significant delay in recieving messages but, also, put a great deal of
responibility on the moderator.   At some point, we need to take
responsiblity for what
is becoming a predominant issue in the world rather than to expect others to

protect us from it.   Somehow it seems we are buying into  the philospophy
of

"not in my backyard."

Peace, blessings and love, Susan

In a message dated 12/29/03 2:15:28 PM Eastern Standard Time,
lorib@... writes:

>I just read the CM listserve and do not respond, but I must agree that it
>would be better if the moderator filtered these inappropriate e-mails. I
>would really rather not even see them to have to delete them.
>
>Thanks,
>Lori
>



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Hello mc1@...,
Mark you do a good job moderating and I do believe some things need a little
censorship. LOL. But this is not one of them since it is impossible.
  trying to stop porn is like finding a needle in the haystack anyway. It is a
shadow no one cares to look at.
It might be wise for list members it offends to take a proactive part by
writing to yahoo themselves. I just delete a lot.
You can also read the digest version of the list and can skip those posts
that seem to be Porn. This way they do not come into your mailbox. You can still
answer the posts you want to answer.
No matter what server you are on they all have the same problem even without
an email list.


č It's not at all pleasing to look at our shadow, huh?  I am
č not inclined to moderate this group in the fashion that
č has been suggested.   If anyone has the time and
č inclination to volunteer then please let me know and I
č will see what can be arranged.  HOWEVER....be
č careful what you wish for!    Moderating a newsgroup is
č a small step away from censorship......do we really
č want to go there?  Peace, Mark



========Original Message========
Subj:    RE: CM Porn messages
  Date:   12/29/2003 8:31:16 PM Eastern Standard Time
  From:   mc1@...
  Reply-to:   mysslist@yahoogroups.com
  To:     mysslist@yahoogroups.com
  Sent from the Internet (Details)



It's not at all pleasing to look at our shadow, huh?

I am not inclined to moderate this group in the fashion that has been
suggested.   If anyone has the time and inclination to volunteer then please let
me
know and I will see what can be arranged.

HOWEVER....be careful what you wish for!   Moderating a newsgroup is a small
step away from censorship......do we really want to go there?

Peace,
Mark

-----Original Message-----
From: suephipps@... [mailto:suephipps@...]
Sent: Monday, December 29, 2003 7:24 PM
To: mysslist@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: CM Porn messages


I appreciate your suggestion, but I believe this would not only create a
significant delay in recieving messages but, also, put a great deal of
responibility on the moderator.   At some point, we need to take
responsiblity for what
is becoming a predominant issue in the world rather than to expect others to
protect us from it.   Somehow it seems we are buying into  the philospophy of

"not in my backyard."

Peace, blessings and love, Susan

In a message dated 12/29/03 2:15:28 PM Eastern Standard Time,
lorib@... writes:

>I just read the CM listserve and do not respond, but I must agree that it
>would be better if the moderator filtered these inappropriate e-mails. I
>would really rather not even see them to have to delete them.
>
>Thanks,
>Lori
>



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It's not at all pleasing to look at our shadow, huh?

I am not inclined to moderate this group in the fashion that has been suggested.
If anyone has the time and inclination to volunteer then please let me know and
I will see what can be arranged.

HOWEVER....be careful what you wish for!    Moderating a newsgroup is a small
step away from censorship......do we really want to go there?

Peace,
Mark

-----Original Message-----
From: suephipps@... [mailto:suephipps@...]
Sent: Monday, December 29, 2003 7:24 PM
To: mysslist@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: CM Porn messages


I appreciate your suggestion, but I believe this would not only create a
significant delay in recieving messages but, also, put a great deal of
responibility on the moderator.   At some point, we need to take responsiblity
for what
is becoming a predominant issue in the world rather than to expect others to
protect us from it.   Somehow it seems we are buying into  the philospophy of
"not in my backyard."

Peace, blessings and love, Susan

In a message dated 12/29/03 2:15:28 PM Eastern Standard Time,
lorib@... writes:

> I just read the CM listserve and do not respond, but I must agree that it
> would be better if the moderator filtered these inappropriate e-mails. I
> would really rather not even see them to have to delete them.
>
> Thanks,
> Lori
>



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I appreciate your suggestion, but I believe this would not only create a
significant delay in recieving messages but, also, put a great deal of
responibility on the moderator.   At some point, we need to take responsiblity
for what
is becoming a predominant issue in the world rather than to expect others to
protect us from it.   Somehow it seems we are buying into  the philospophy of
"not in my backyard."

Peace, blessings and love, Susan

In a message dated 12/29/03 2:15:28 PM Eastern Standard Time,
lorib@... writes:

> I just read the CM listserve and do not respond, but I must agree that it
> would be better if the moderator filtered these inappropriate e-mails. I
> would really rather not even see them to have to delete them.
>
> Thanks,
> Lori
>



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I totally agree.  I had a porn site totally take over my IE and corrupt several
files, disableing my comp.  The email opened up as a dweb page, and everytime
you tried to close exit or delete, more porn came up.  Adware was added to my
computer.  So now I am afraid to open anything, and it distresses me, that porn
gets into this group.  The discussions otherwise are so pertinent and
interesting.
>
> From: Lori Brown <lorib@...>
> Date: 2003/12/29 Mon PM 07:04:27 GMT
> To: mysslist@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: CM Porn messages
>
> I just read the CM listserve and do not respond, but I must agree that it
would be better if the moderator filtered these inappropriate e-mails. I
> would really rather not even see them to have to delete them.
>
> Thanks,
> Lori
>
> JEANETTE KARREN wrote:
>
> > I'm putting in another strong vote to filter them out!  I block each
> > individual email address but they keep coming under new addresses.  I've
> > been on other groups similar to this and all messages had to pass through a
> > moderator before posted.  The messages weren't sensored or anything, it just
> > kept porn advertisements and such from reaching us.
> > Jeanette
> >
> > >From: Grayhorse Enterprises <funinalaska@...>
> > >Reply-To: mysslist@yahoogroups.com
> > >To: mysslist@yahoogroups.com
> > >Subject: CM Porn messages
> > >Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2003 10:55:16 -0800 (PST)
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >Moderator,
> > >
> > >  I know it is in your capacity to filter out the "porn" messages. I know
> > >some of you do not care and just scroll pass them. I know others believe to
> > >not respond at all, and maybe they will go away. They will not, obviously.
> > >
> > >Please, as I agree, can you allow these expressions to not enter this list.
> > >
> > >Kim
> > >
> > >
> > >________________________________________________________________________
> > >Message: 3
> > >Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2003 00:15:26 -0000
> > >From: "stpatrice705"
> > >Subject: Moderator! Please filter out spam/porn
> > >
> > >Somehow the porno/spam world has linked into this group.. could the
> > >moderator Please filter out such material? I for one do not want it.
> > >Thanks,
> > >cilantro1t@...
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
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I am a newbie here, but old hand at email lists......

If I may make a suggestion?  The best way that I have found and seen used, is to
set all new members to moderation and unmoderate them once they send in a real
post, or have them all send in an intro before allowing them to post.

It takes a little bit more time, but not really any more than having to go back
and delete spam and porn messages.

Blessings,
GL

----- Original Message -----
From: Martie Hughes
Hello Mysslisters.

I certainly understand your dismay with these messages. I find them
offensive as well. And I delete them as soon as they appear.

Unfortunately, there is no automated filter to keep them from getting
posted. If we were to put all messages in a queue for approval by a
moderator, it might take a day or two for the appropriate ones to be
released. All we - Mark or I - can do is manually remove them when
they appear. I promise we will be more diligent in the future.

Many blessings,
Martie Hughes
Discussion Venue Administrator
www.myss.com




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Thank you!!

Martie Hughes wrote:

> Hello Mysslisters.
>
> I certainly understand your dismay with these messages. I find them
> offensive as well. And I delete them as soon as they appear.
>
> Unfortunately, there is no automated filter to keep them from getting
> posted. If we were to put all messages in a queue for approval by a
> moderator, it might take a day or two for the appropriate ones to be
> released. All we - Mark or I - can do is manually remove them when
> they appear. I promise we will be more diligent in the future.
>
> Many blessings,
> Martie Hughes
> Discussion Venue Administrator
> www.myss.com
>
> -- In mysslist@yahoogroups.com, "JEANETTE KARREN"
> <jeanettekarren@m...> wrote:
> > I'm putting in another strong vote to filter them out!  I block
> each
> > individual email address but they keep coming under new addresses.
> I've
> > been on other groups similar to this and all messages had to pass
> through a
> > moderator before posted.  The messages weren't sensored or
> anything, it just
> > kept porn advertisements and such from reaching us.
> > Jeanette
> >
> >
> >
> > >From: Grayhorse Enterprises <funinalaska@y...>
> > >Reply-To: mysslist@yahoogroups.com
> > >To: mysslist@yahoogroups.com
> > >Subject: CM Porn messages
> > >Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2003 10:55:16 -0800 (PST)
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >Moderator,
> > >
> > >  I know it is in your capacity to filter out the "porn" messages.
> I know
> > >some of you do not care and just scroll pass them. I know others
> believe to
> > >not respond at all, and maybe they will go away. They will not,
> obviously.
> > >
> > >Please, as I agree, can you allow these expressions to not enter
> this list.
> > >
> > >Kim
> > >
> > >
> >
> >_____________________________________________________________________
> ___
> > >Message: 3
> > >Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2003 00:15:26 -0000
> > >From: "stpatrice705"
> > >Subject: Moderator! Please filter out spam/porn
> > >
> > >Somehow the porno/spam world has linked into this group.. could the
> > >moderator Please filter out such material? I for one do not want
> it.
> > >Thanks,
> > >cilantro1t@a...
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
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I just read the CM listserve and do not respond, but I must agree that it would
be better if the moderator filtered these inappropriate e-mails. I
would really rather not even see them to have to delete them.

Thanks,
Lori

JEANETTE KARREN wrote:

> I'm putting in another strong vote to filter them out!  I block each
> individual email address but they keep coming under new addresses.  I've
> been on other groups similar to this and all messages had to pass through a
> moderator before posted.  The messages weren't sensored or anything, it just
> kept porn advertisements and such from reaching us.
> Jeanette
>
> >From: Grayhorse Enterprises <funinalaska@...>
> >Reply-To: mysslist@yahoogroups.com
> >To: mysslist@yahoogroups.com
> >Subject: CM Porn messages
> >Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2003 10:55:16 -0800 (PST)
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >Moderator,
> >
> >  I know it is in your capacity to filter out the "porn" messages. I know
> >some of you do not care and just scroll pass them. I know others believe to
> >not respond at all, and maybe they will go away. They will not, obviously.
> >
> >Please, as I agree, can you allow these expressions to not enter this list.
> >
> >Kim
> >
> >
> >________________________________________________________________________
> >Message: 3
> >Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2003 00:15:26 -0000
> >From: "stpatrice705"
> >Subject: Moderator! Please filter out spam/porn
> >
> >Somehow the porno/spam world has linked into this group.. could the
> >moderator Please filter out such material? I for one do not want it.
> >Thanks,
> >cilantro1t@...
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >---------------------------------
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Hello Mysslisters.

I certainly understand your dismay with these messages. I find them
offensive as well. And I delete them as soon as they appear.

Unfortunately, there is no automated filter to keep them from getting
posted. If we were to put all messages in a queue for approval by a
moderator, it might take a day or two for the appropriate ones to be
released. All we - Mark or I - can do is manually remove them when
they appear. I promise we will be more diligent in the future.

Many blessings,
Martie Hughes
Discussion Venue Administrator
www.myss.com


-- In mysslist@yahoogroups.com, "JEANETTE KARREN"
<jeanettekarren@m...> wrote:
> I'm putting in another strong vote to filter them out!  I block
each
> individual email address but they keep coming under new addresses.
I've
> been on other groups similar to this and all messages had to pass
through a
> moderator before posted.  The messages weren't sensored or
anything, it just
> kept porn advertisements and such from reaching us.
> Jeanette
>
>
>
> >From: Grayhorse Enterprises <funinalaska@y...>
> >Reply-To: mysslist@yahoogroups.com
> >To: mysslist@yahoogroups.com
> >Subject: CM Porn messages
> >Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2003 10:55:16 -0800 (PST)
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >Moderator,
> >
> >  I know it is in your capacity to filter out the "porn" messages.
I know
> >some of you do not care and just scroll pass them. I know others
believe to
> >not respond at all, and maybe they will go away. They will not,
obviously.
> >
> >Please, as I agree, can you allow these expressions to not enter
this list.
> >
> >Kim
> >
> >
>
>_____________________________________________________________________
___
> >Message: 3
> >Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2003 00:15:26 -0000
> >From: "stpatrice705"
> >Subject: Moderator! Please filter out spam/porn
> >
> >Somehow the porno/spam world has linked into this group.. could the
> >moderator Please filter out such material? I for one do not want
it.
> >Thanks,
> >cilantro1t@a...
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >---------------------------------
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> >
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Sent to me by a friend and client. Thought I'd pass it on to all of
you.  We're publishing a collection of her stories in the fall and we're
hosting her workshop in March here in Ann Arbor.
Wishing you all the happiness and joy of the season.

Peace,
Rose



The Heart of Gold

The heart of gold is not weighted on the scales of life but scales of
the sacred spirit.  It is with joy that I can say I have met a few
sisters on this path who have that heart of gold.  The heavy hearts that
have lived a full and grateful live here on this Earth Mother will in
time be seen and honored.  The keepers of the hearts of gold, posses an
inner strength and knowing that comes straight from Creator.  The light
shines so bright from there beings, that one can become blinded in their
presence.  Like Angels that dwell here among us they teach and show us
the way to live and to help each other.  Their hearts of gold touch and
nourish the Earth Mother with love and understanding.

These women may not be world known, or well known, but they are of such
goodness that the communities they serve are blessed in many ways.  In
times of trouble and concern, they lay down their sickness and sadness
to gather a basket of food and clothing to help the less fortunate.  It
is often that these women will go that extra step and offer a hand worn
and wrinkled with caring of others.  This same hand wipes the forehead
of the weak, hugs a child, with love and comfort; lets them know it is
all going to be better in time.  Often these women do not have much in
the way of material things; their lives are hard with struggle and
problems.  Nevertheless, they always think of others when they are
blessed with abundance. They will share the last bite of bread with a
person and trust in Creator for their own daily bread.

To be allowed to walk in the foot steps of these women that are carved
in the hard road of life is an honor.  It is with respect that I look to
these women for guidance, strength, and love.

In time we all will be asked to walk in a way of humbleness and serving
others.  I ask only to be allowed to serve and walk with the women who
have shown me a better and more loving way to live.  If you have such a
person in your life honor her now, listen to her and cherish her
teachings on your Earth Walk.

I know for these women when the life here on earth is done, they will be
taken up into a glorious awakening of peace for eternity. The Earthly
struggle will all be forgotten and in its place a heart of pure gold
will beat.

In the time when our hearts are weighed by the Great Mystery, I trust
mine will not be found lacking.


Grandmother Waynonaha Two Worlds


Copyright © 2003 Red Hawk Publishing
All Rights Reserved


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Hello, everyone! Thought you might enjoy this message!
Love,
Alexandra

----- Original Message -----
From: daav maar
To: Bonnie Star ; Candy Eve ; William Molloy,Sr. ; Jason Fox ; Alexandra Lalieu
Sent: Sunday, December 28, 2003 11:05 AM
Subject: Fw: Angels


Sent: Friday, December 26, 2003 8:56 PM
Subject: Fwd: Angels


In a message dated 12/20/2003 3:44:08 PM Eastern Standard Time, EMJAY3131
writes:
     Subject: Fw: angels

     > > Keep reading to the bottom of the page -- don't stop at the feet (You'll
see).
     > >
     > >
     > >
     > >       Two traveling angels stopped to spend the night  in the home of a
     > > wealthy family.
     > >
     > >       The family was rude and refused to let the angels stay in the
     > > mansion's guest room.
     > >
     > >       Instead the angels were given a small space in the cold basement.
     > >
     > >       As they made their bed on the hard floor, the older angel saw a
     hole
     > > in the wall and repaired it.
     > >
     > >       When the younger angel asked why, the older angel replied,
     > >
     > >       "Things aren't always what they seem."
     > >
     > >       The next night the pair came to rest at the house  of a very poor,
     > > but
     > > very hospitable farmer and his wife.
     > >
     > >       After sharing what little food they had the couple let the angels
     > > sleep in their bed where they could have a good night's rest.
     > >
     > >       When the sun came up the next morning the angels found the farmer
     > > and
     > > his wife in tears..
     > >
     > >       Their only cow, whose milk had been their sole income, lay dead in
     > > the
     > > field.
     > >
     > >       The younger angel was infuriated and asked the older angel how
     could
     > > you have let this happen?
     > >
     > >       The first man had everything, yet you helped him, she accused.
     > >
     > >       The second family had little but was willing to share everything,
     > > and
     > > you let the cow die.
     > >
     > >       "Things aren't always what they seem," the older  angel replied.
     > >
     > >       "When we stayed in the basement of the mansion, I noticed there
     was
     > > gold stored in that hole in the wall..
     > >
     > >       Since the owner was so obsessed with greed and unwilling to share
     > > his
     > > good fortune, I sealed the wall so he wouldn't find it."
     > >
     > >       "Then last night as we slept in the farmers bed, the angel of
     death
     > > came for his wife. I gave him the cow instead.
     > >
     > >       Things aren't always what they seem."
     > >
     > >       Sometimes that is exactly what happens when things  don't turn out
     > > the
     > > way they should. If you have  faith, you just need to trust that every
     out
     > > come  is always to your advantage. You just might not know it until some
     > >
     > > time later...
     > >                                        Oooo
     > >      Some people              (    )
     > >      come into our lives    )  /
     > >      and quickly go..       (_ /
     > >
     > >
     > >                 oooO
     > >                 (    )       Some people
     > >                  \  (        become friends
     > >                   \_ )    and stay awhile...
     > >
     > >
     > >
     > >       leaving beautiful          Oooo
     > >      footprints on our         (    )
     > >          hearts...                    )  /
     > >                                        ( _/
     > >
     > >
     > >                        oooO
     > >                        (    )      and we are
     > >                         \  (          never
     > >                          \_ )      quite the same
     > >                                     because we have
     > >                                    made a good
     > >                                      friend!!
     > >
     > >
     > >       Yesterday is history.
     > >      Tomorrow a mystery.
     > >      Today is a gift.
     > >      That's why it's called the present!
     > >
     > >
     > >       I think this is special...live and savor every moment... This is
     not
     > > a
     > > dress rehearsal!
     > >                  (\        /)
     > >                 ( \ ___ / )
     > >                 (  \()/  )
     > >                 (  /   \  )     TAKE THIS LITTLE
     > >                 ( / \/ \ )              ANGEL
     > >                  /        \         AND KEEP HER
     > >                 (          )        CLOSE TO YOU
     > >                                         SHE IS YOUR
     > >                                  GUARDIAN ANGEL
     > >                                    SENT TO WATCH
     > >                                        OVER YOU
     > >                   ____
     > >
     > >
     > >       THIS IS A SPECIAL GUARDIAN ANGEL..... YOU MUST  PASS THIS ON
     > > TO 5 PEOPLE WITHIN THE HOUR OF     RECEIVING HER..AFTER YOU DO
     > > MAKE A WISH....
     > >       IF YOU HAVE PASSED HER ON, YOUR WISH WILL BE GRANTED AND SHE WILL
     > > WATCH OVER YOU FOREVER....
     > >       IF NOT...HER TEARS WILL FLOW AND NO WISHES WILL BE GRANTED....
     > >
     > >       Now don't delete this message, because it comes  from a very
     special
     > > angel.
     > >
     > >                Right Now -
     > >
     > >       -somebody is thinking of you.
     > >      -somebody is caring about you.
     > >      -somebody misses you
     > >      -somebody wants to talk to you.
     > >      -somebody wants to be with you.
     > >      -somebody hopes you aren't in trouble.
     > >      -somebody is thankful for the support you have provided.
     > >      -somebody wants to hold your hand.
     > >      -somebody hopes everything turns out all right.
     > >       -somebody wants you to be happy.
     > >       -somebody wants you to find him/her.
     > >      -somebody is celebrating your successes.
     > >      -somebody wants to give you a gift..
     > >      -somebody thinks that you ARE a gift.
     > >      -somebody loves you.
     > >      -somebody admires your strength.
     > >      -somebody is thinking of you and smiling.
     > >      -somebody wants to be your shoulder to cry on.
     > >
     > >        SOMEBODY NEEDS YOU TO SEND THIS TO THEM
     > >       =====
     > >      Never take away anyone's hope.  That may be all they have.

     > > A Good Friend Is A True Friend, One That Shares, And One That Cares, And
     > > One
     > > That Doesn't Judge

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In a message dated 12/16/03 8:54:31 PM Eastern Standard Time,
jeanettekarren@... writes:

> She didn't know about dilating or anything.  My mom
> only had to stay for three days for a normal, easy delivery but they kept
> the babies in the nursery most of the time.

My mom used to stay at least a week or more .... and needed it.  This was her
bonding time with the newborn before she returned to all the responsiblities
and demands of the other children that awaited her at home.  My mother was
dealt with the same small town doctor and hospital for all her deliveries. 
After
her dissappointment with her first delivery the rest were natural by choice
.... which apparently became quite easy ... # 4 (1950) arrived while she was
standing at the mandatory checkin desk and # 17 (1968) arrived between nurses
checks.  Through them all, she has remained a vibrant and healthy woman .... I
wouldn't even want to try to keep up with her.

In  '69 and '70 when my children were born the typical stay was still a week.
  Personally, I felt that treatment left a lot to be desired as I was dealing
with large city hospitals ..... and had complications as a result of poor
medical treatment during the birth of children.  These complications involved
both
infants as well .... I was not allowed to see my son for two weeks after
delivery ... it was torture.  And, I helplessly observed a nurse abusing my
second
child through the viewing window as she changed her diaper.  Because of my
young age,  health concerns about myself and my second were also ignored which
only created havoc in both our lives ... and could have cost us our lives.  My
one saving grace was a lifetime of observing childbirth and child rearing as
an ordinary part of life ... which still did not leave me prepared for the
powerful and awesome miracle of giving birth.

For far to many parents, I believe there is not enough support when they
return home so quickly.  I think this is true for many post-op patients as well.
Just another aspect of our fast paced society.

Peace, blessings, and love, Susan


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Can you tell "way to much to a partner?"  It would seem to me that such
intimacy, to be seen by the other, is a blessing ... as long as you don't expect
them to fix the problem.  As Sheri points out, we all mirror one another in some
fashion .... thus, it seems to me that the mere fact your partner accepts you
and your history would help in the healing process.  Ultimately, the work
itself is up to the individual.

Peace, blessings, and love, Susan

In a message dated 12/17/03 8:45:30 PM Eastern Standard Time,
mysticalmind@... writes:

> (Quote Inora,)  All of the work that comes before is to develop the trust
> needed for the re-experiencing. I feel kind of proud of myself. In the past I
> have told way too much wanting my partner to heal my trauma for me which they
> can't ever do and now i am so glad i healed it myself.
>
> Yes to feel proud of one self and know that one is doing the best you can,
> is to allow your self your own treasures and knowing that you have the power
> to be healed by others (in relationship with others using them as your mirror
> ) and really it is you healing your self. As healers we are the vehicle
> towards healing yet the real healer in the one who is healing and changing and
> growing :)
>
> We provide the 'conditions' where the 'stunting and warping' can be remedied
> to a better sense of self and the client gets intouch with his or her inner
> sense of power and completeness :)
>
> Warmly Sheri



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Charlotte ... what a beautiful quote .... and timely for me.

Peace, blessings and love,  Susan

In a message dated 12/26/03 5:43:40 PM Eastern Standard Time,
charlotte8@... writes:

> I'll share from "The Tao of Power" by R.L. Wing - his insights into the
> translations of lao tzu's tao. ..."We learn how people tend to behave and
> societies tend to evolve, and we recognize situations that hold no promise
because
> they are structured in a way that will cause their downfall. Thus we develop
> the power to direct our lives into a future we, in fact, participate in
> creating. And, in doing so, we achieve the fulfillment that comes from leaving
> what we touched a little more evolved than we found it."
>
> Charlotte
>



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Blessings to you too Maureen.

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   Sent: Wednesday, December 24, 2003 4:55 PM
   Subject: CM Happy Holidays


   A very blessed Holiday Season to everyone...may the love of this season stay
   in your hearts forever...
   Maureen



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Sue, my condolances for your loss. It is always so hard on the living. But 92!
How awesome!  What a beautiful time to transition - Winter Solstice and the time
of bear. I hope it went easy for him.

Namaste' Charlotte



   ----- Original Message -----
   From: suephipps@...
   To: mysslist@yahoogroups.com
   Sent: Thursday, December 25, 2003 4:44 PM
   Subject: Re: CM Happy Holidays


   Thanks Maureen, Happy Holidays to you to ...

   This has been a difficult one for us ... we buried my husband's dad on Sat.
   At 92 he had lived a long and healthy life .... even so, since they were very
   close it has greatly impacted the rhythm of day to day life.

   Peace, blessings and love to all,

   Susan

   In a message dated 12/24/03 5:01:52 PM Eastern Standard Time,
   Lightowl42@... writes:

   > A very blessed Holiday Season to everyone...may the love of this season
   > stay
   > in your hearts forever...
   > Maureen
   >
   >



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Sue wrote: "Charlotte ... it sounds like the work you are doing with this woman
is meeting her needs .... afterall .... she keeps coming back. Trust this ... I
suspect that she recognizes you as the perfect teacher for her at this time."

Thank you Sue. I have completed the work she has asked me to do and it felt very
good. We both walked away with what we needed. I recognized her to be my perfect
teacher as well. The healing path is an interweaving of our experience with the
experience of those that seek our help. I find myself in many situations where
we are both giving and receiving love, insights and truths. It doesn't always
look like I expect ( or desire ) it to. Sometimes it gets sketchy as to who the
student really is.

Isn't it all of us?

We have trained ourselves, done our homework and hopefully committed ourselves
to our own healing and by our willingness to be open and give we extend that
awareness to others adding insight into their whole SELF.

I'll share from "The Tao of Power" by R.L. Wing - his insights into the
translations of lao tzu's tao. ..."We learn how people tend to behave and
societies tend to evolve, and we recognize situations that hold no promise
because they are structured in a way that will cause their downfall. Thus we
develop the power to direct our lives into a future we, in fact, participate in
creating. And, in doing so, we achieve the fulfillment that comes from leaving
what we touched a little more evolved than we found it."

Charlotte





   ----- Original Message -----
   From: suephipps@...
   To: mysslist@yahoogroups.com
   Sent: Thursday, December 25, 2003 9:43 PM
   Subject: Re: CM Exploring the healing path


   I've really enjoyed the development of this discussion .... and all the great
   imput as much as I can follow it at this time.

   Charlotte asks:  "Thanks for any insights!"

   Charlotte ... it sounds like the work you are doing with this woman is
   meeting her needs .... afterall .... she keeps coming back.  Trust this ... I
   suspect that she recognizes you as the perfect teacher for her at this time.

   Peace, blessings, and love,  Susan




   In a message dated 12/19/03 10:35:49 AM Eastern Standard Time,
   charlotte8@... writes:

   >
   > Wow Sheri. Thank you so much for sharing so in-depth! This was so
   > interesting to me. I could respond to so much but time restraints are
guiding me these
   > days. I did want to relate how it helped me see deeper into the other side
of
   > the couch - so to speak. I had a therapist in my life from the time I was 12
   > until I started looking for teachers to take me to the next step. Here is
   > where the real work begins though. Unfortunately, a lot of people have not
done
   > this work before they show up for alternative therapies.
   >
   > Sheri wrote: " In Kohut’s view, three strong needs must be fulfilled if
the
   > self is to develop fully: the need to be “mirrored,” the need to
idealize,
   > and the need to be like others.” (Kahn 1991:90) If these needs were not
   > adequately met in the client’s early development, the client will have
life
   > problems, therapist aims to provide these needs so that transmuting
internalization
   > of these needs help build a healthier sense of self."
   >
   > I work with my clients to help connect to their true self. However, if they
   > come in without a sense of one my work becomes more complicated. I often
   > refer out when I see the person really needs psychotherapy. However, they
don't
   > always choose to go.
   >
   > As an example:
   >
   > I am seeing a woman who is strictly coming to me to be attuned to 3rd level
   > Reiki. Her goal is to become a Master / Teacher. She was attuned to level
one
   > by me, taught a series of classes I teach to support level two and then went
   > to a weekend workshop for her level two attunement. She came to me with an
   > urgency to be attuned to Master/Teacher before she moved away. In assessing
   > where she was I felt she had not really done the personal work it takes to
work
   > with people on that level.  I worked with her and her guides to develop a
   > program for her that would better prepare her for that level of energy. She
   > agreed with the program and embraced it.
   >
   > Now that we are in to the program the level of her personal work really
   > shows through. There is not much sense of self. This is truly a challenge to
meet
   > the person where they are. It is personally hard for me to encourage people
   > to work on others if they do not do deep work on themselves. I always look
at
   > my students and ask: would I let this person work on me? I have attempted to
   > put together a program for this woman to bring together enough pieces to
   > guide her down her desired path. However, during the sessions she avoids the
   > really deep work and instead we end up letting her establish the
relationship
   > you so beautifully described in your post. I see that is what she needs.
   > Someone to listen, to mirror, to help her feel safe enough to uncover her
truths.
   > She is an elder woman in her late 60's. She is pretty set in her ways. She
   > does not believe she needs deeper work. So, my time with her is limited in
   > several ways.
   >
   > It is a situation that perplexes me. She leaves our sessions without doing
   > the work we agreed to do. Instead we do the work she really NEEDS to do.
Then
   > she's frustrated because it's taking longer and she has a lot of armoring to
   > work through so we could do this for a while before she really felt "safe"
   > enough to do the intended work.
   >
   > I am not judging her for where she is, I am simply trying to show up for her
   > WHERE she is. I am also looking in to my own mirror and asking myself what
   > lessons are here for me? Wouldn't mind some feedback here. A "resistant"
   > student can very easily be the thing I need to ask myself deeper questions.
   >
   > One thing I would like to look at is how driven we souls are that seek the
   > healing of self to help others. This woman has a beautiful desire to help
and
   > serve. My experience has taught me that she will be one of those that gets
   > tagged hard by falling in to the pit of another or wrapped up in the thought
   > that she is the source of the energy that moves through her. I know Reiki is
   > something that harms no one. It is a peaceful energy that shares love and
the
   > promise of healing. However, IMO - the harm can come to the practitioner
when
   > they can't separate themselves from their clients.
   >
   > Thanks for any insights! Charlotte



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I've really enjoyed the development of this discussion .... and all the great
imput as much as I can follow it at this time.

Charlotte asks:  "Thanks for any insights!"

Charlotte ... it sounds like the work you are doing with this woman is
meeting her needs .... afterall .... she keeps coming back.  Trust this ... I
suspect that she recognizes you as the perfect teacher for her at this time.

Peace, blessings, and love,  Susan




In a message dated 12/19/03 10:35:49 AM Eastern Standard Time,
charlotte8@... writes:

>
> Wow Sheri. Thank you so much for sharing so in-depth! This was so
> interesting to me. I could respond to so much but time restraints are guiding
me these
> days. I did want to relate how it helped me see deeper into the other side of
> the couch - so to speak. I had a therapist in my life from the time I was 12
> until I started looking for teachers to take me to the next step. Here is
> where the real work begins though. Unfortunately, a lot of people have not
done
> this work before they show up for alternative therapies.
>
> Sheri wrote: " In Kohut’s view, three strong needs must be fulfilled if the
> self is to develop fully: the need to be “mirrored,” the need to idealize,
> and the need to be like others.” (Kahn 1991:90) If these needs were not
> adequately met in the client’s early development, the client will have life
> problems, therapist aims to provide these needs so that transmuting
internalization
> of these needs help build a healthier sense of self."
>
> I work with my clients to help connect to their true self. However, if they
> come in without a sense of one my work becomes more complicated. I often
> refer out when I see the person really needs psychotherapy. However, they
don't
> always choose to go.
>
> As an example:
>
> I am seeing a woman who is strictly coming to me to be attuned to 3rd level
> Reiki. Her goal is to become a Master / Teacher. She was attuned to level one
> by me, taught a series of classes I teach to support level two and then went
> to a weekend workshop for her level two attunement. She came to me with an
> urgency to be attuned to Master/Teacher before she moved away. In assessing
> where she was I felt she had not really done the personal work it takes to
work
> with people on that level.  I worked with her and her guides to develop a
> program for her that would better prepare her for that level of energy. She
> agreed with the program and embraced it.
>
> Now that we are in to the program the level of her personal work really
> shows through. There is not much sense of self. This is truly a challenge to
meet
> the person where they are. It is personally hard for me to encourage people
> to work on others if they do not do deep work on themselves. I always look at
> my students and ask: would I let this person work on me? I have attempted to
> put together a program for this woman to bring together enough pieces to
> guide her down her desired path. However, during the sessions she avoids the
> really deep work and instead we end up letting her establish the relationship
> you so beautifully described in your post. I see that is what she needs.
> Someone to listen, to mirror, to help her feel safe enough to uncover her
truths.
> She is an elder woman in her late 60's. She is pretty set in her ways. She
> does not believe she needs deeper work. So, my time with her is limited in
> several ways.
>
> It is a situation that perplexes me. She leaves our sessions without doing
> the work we agreed to do. Instead we do the work she really NEEDS to do. Then
> she's frustrated because it's taking longer and she has a lot of armoring to
> work through so we could do this for a while before she really felt "safe"
> enough to do the intended work.
>
> I am not judging her for where she is, I am simply trying to show up for her
> WHERE she is. I am also looking in to my own mirror and asking myself what
> lessons are here for me? Wouldn't mind some feedback here. A "resistant"
> student can very easily be the thing I need to ask myself deeper questions.
>
> One thing I would like to look at is how driven we souls are that seek the
> healing of self to help others. This woman has a beautiful desire to help and
> serve. My experience has taught me that she will be one of those that gets
> tagged hard by falling in to the pit of another or wrapped up in the thought
> that she is the source of the energy that moves through her. I know Reiki is
> something that harms no one. It is a peaceful energy that shares love and the
> promise of healing. However, IMO - the harm can come to the practitioner when
> they can't separate themselves from their clients.
>
> Thanks for any insights! Charlotte



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Thanks Maureen, Happy Holidays to you to ...

This has been a difficult one for us ... we buried my husband's dad on Sat.
At 92 he had lived a long and healthy life .... even so, since they were very
close it has greatly impacted the rhythm of day to day life.

Peace, blessings and love to all,

Susan

In a message dated 12/24/03 5:01:52 PM Eastern Standard Time,
Lightowl42@... writes:

> A very blessed Holiday Season to everyone...may the love of this season
> stay
> in your hearts forever...
> Maureen
>
>



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In a message dated 12/24/03 10:57:32 AM Eastern Standard Time,
lindajb226@... writes:

> I strongly agree this type of spam is not what we are here to learn
>
>

Do you have any suggestions on how to delete it?


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