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#60 From: groupmaster <groupmaster@...>
Date: Wed Apr 3, 2002 3:25 am
Subject: Karen : [mscured] off of all meds
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From: "Karen Capozza" <kcapozza@...>
Date: Wed, 03 Apr 2002 03:05:42 +0000
Subject: [mscured] off of all meds



Betsy,


I agree with you.  I was on medications for the last 20 years straight.  And
now I am siked to say I am on NO medications at all.  I must say getting off
of the Baclofen was tuff but I knew it had to be done.  I love the feeling
of not being on any drugs.


I have Copaxone sitting in the fridge and I am not even doing that.  I can't
remember who said it either Bernard Jensen or Dr. Schultz that your skin
should remain intact for it is your etheric protection.  I never liked
giving myself those shots.


I am now able to work out at home.  Yesterday I did the bike and our total
gym for a half hour straight.  I got my heart pumping and it felt great.  I
have not been able to do that for 3 years!!!!!!!!!



Karen

#61 From: groupmaster <groupmaster@...>
Date: Wed Apr 3, 2002 11:19 am
Subject: Multiple Sclerosis
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Multiple Sclerosis

Jane was 24, and had always been in good overall health.  She was lactose
intolerant, or at least sensitive enough to dairy products that she didn't
eat them.

She had a two year old running around and had just had her second baby.
And she was terrified.


  "I was told  I have MS.," she said.  Imagine hearing that, at her age,
with two babies no less.

  "I've been having numbness in some of my fingers.  My muscles will twitch
and I get these weird feelings in my face.  My GP told me that it might
just be calcium deficiency, since I don't eat dairy products and have
formed and nursed two children.  So he gave me a calcium supplement to take."

  "And?" I asked.

  "It didn't seem to help, so he sent me to a neurologist.  The neurologist
heard the symptoms and then and there said that I have multiple sclerosis."

  I could see her eyes reddening and some tears forming.

  "What am I going to do?  What will happen to my kids?  Can you do anything
for me?" she said.

  Now there's three good questions.  I wasn't sure about any of them, but
like a good one-trick pony, I began with what I always say.

  "It can't hurt to take a look and see," I said.  "Now what about that
calcium supplement?  How much are you taking?"

  "About 1,000 milligrams a day," she answered.  "I have the bottle with me."

  That amount is close to the RDA, and actually exceeds it if you allow for
some calcium in her foods.  It was time to open my paisley bag, so to
speak, and try to overturn Murphy's Law.  I read the entire label.

  "OK, how many of these tablets do you take each day?" I asked.

  "Three," Jane said.

  "Well, to begin with, the label says that it takes six tablets to
make1,200 milligrams.  You are getting 600 milligrams."

  "Mmm," she said.

  "On top of that, you'd think that each tablet therefore supplies 200
milligrams of calcium but it doesn't.  This is a calcium chelate, which is
a good form to take all right, but in this instance they weighed the entire
compound, not just the calcium it gives you.  That's sort of like weighing
the corn, the water and the can.  We want just the net weight.  It is
called the weight of elemental calcium in this case.  That's only about a
quarter of the label claim."

  "Isn't that misleading people?" she wondered.

  "Perhaps, but the consumer always has to read all the label, especially
the side part with the smaller numbers.  This section, right here," I said,
pointing it out on the bottle.
"You can't just go by the front label.  It's the same with anything you
buy: a car, a service contract, Twinkies; you have to read the fine print."

  "So I need more," she said.

  "Maybe, yes.  And there is little harm, if any, in trying more.  Nobody
dies of calcium overdose."

  "What about stones: gallstones, kidney stones, like that?" she asked.

  "Gallstones are cholesterol stones and have nothing to do with calcium.
Kidney stones are caused by a deficiency of calcium, not an excess.  Most
nutrition texts still get that one wrong, but they'll come around
eventually.  Excess calcium is simply not absorbed.  And you are certainly
not getting an excess."

  "How much was I getting?" she said.

  "Let's see: each tablet provided about 50 milligrams of actual elemental
calcium, and you were taking three.  A hundred and fifty milligrams; not
nearly enough to make a difference.  You'd probably want to try a whole lot
more, and this will sound kind of silly. With these tablets, we're talking
at least twenty."

  "A day?" she exclaimed. "Twenty calcium tablets a day?

  "Well, yes.  That would give you about 1,000 milligrams, plus what you
might pick up in your diet from green leafy vegetables, beans, tofu,
sardine bones, whatever.  That's not even a megadose.  Several thousand
milligrams of calcium have been given, and very safely too, in some
studies.  The biggest side effect of three thousand milligrams a day
appears to be less colon cancer."

  "Less colon cancer?  That's not much of a problem," she said.

  "You will also want to divide the dose.  Your body absorbs calcium
passively, and can't take in much at any one time.  Take it all through the
day, as often as humanly possible.  Its a nuisance, I know, but you'll get
more for your money."

  So off she went, with equal parts hope and skepticism.

  A little over two weeks later I heard from Jane again.

  "They're gone!" she said. "My symptoms are gone!"  What a happy voice on
the phone that was, let me tell you.  "The neurologist was wrong: it wasn't
MS. at all!"

  I silently thought to myself, what a moron that "specialist" was, who had
to be so fast with the big diagnosis.  Even if a patient clearly did have
MS. you'd want to break the news a hell of a lot more gently than he did.
But he never did any tests.  The GP was smarter: he at least considered the
less spectacular, less traumatic, and more likely possibility that her diet
had something to do with it.  His only mistake was not having sufficient
nutrition experience to know how to tailor the dose to deliver the calcium
Jane's body was really demanding.

  Americans generally do what their doctor tells them without many
questions.  I suggest they question their doctor extensively, and not
necessarily do what he says.  Then consult a quack for a really different
second opinion.

  And if someone truly does have multiple sclerosis?  The answer is, and it
is a remarkably good answer, follow the MS protocol of Frederick Robert
Klenner, MD as described in Clinical Guide to the Use of Vitamin C, edited
by Lendon Smith, MD. Far from just considering vitamin C, this book urges
and lists a comprehensive therapeutic program using a large variety of
nutrients in large quantity.

  Why a large variety of nutrients?  Because there is no such thing as
monotherapy with nutrition.  "One drug, one disease" is a failed legend of
the drug doctor.  People often ask me, "What is this vitamin good for?"  My
answer is, "Everything."  They give me "the look," but it's true
nevertheless. All vitamins are important.  Which wheel on your car can you
do without?  Which wing on an airplane can you afford to leave behind?

  Why large quantities of nutrients?  Because that's what does the job. You
don't take the amount that you think should work; you take the amount that
gets results.  The first rule of building a brick wall is that you have got
to have enough bricks.  A sick body has exaggeratedly high needs for many
vitamins.  You can either meet that need, or whine about why you didn't.

  But why try to cure with nutrition?  Well, why not?  Must a cure be
medical for it to be any good?  There is no medical cure for MS; if there
were, you would have heard about it.  I say, if one doctor's black bag is
empty it does not necessarily follow that all other doctors' black bags
are.  Go where you can get the outcome you need.  The first rule of fishing
is to put your hook in the water, for that is where the fish are.

  I've just given you your first semester's education in quackery.  People
go to quacks not because they are stupid, but because nothing else worked
and counterculture healing often does.  And, despite the huge shadow of
monopolistic medicine, the cartel comprising pharmacy, government,
hospitals, insurance and health education, we still live in a more or less
free-market economy.  Honest businesses that don't provide good return to
the consumer fail, unless political influence subsidizes them (which
explains the continued existence of the medical and dietetic professions).
This is America, and you have the right to remain sick.

  So when I tell you that  Frederick Robert Klenner, MD was curing multiple
sclerosis back in the 1950's and '60's, you would not easily believe me.
And who in their right mind would?  A MS patient in a wheelchair, perhaps.
Like the one who was wheeled into my office one day by his private RN.

  I shared the details of Dr. Klenner's protocol with them.  They went home
and did it.  It worked.  In little over two weeks, the man was out of his
wheelchair, walking with a walker or cane.  It was beautiful to see.

  What did they do? Read the Clinical Guide to the Use of Vitamin C and you
will find out precisely what they did.  Why did it work?  Because Dr.
Klenner's experience in treating MS taught him to understand it as a
vitamin deficiency disease.

  Let's consider just one lone nutrient, thiamin, vitamin B-1 and one
oddball disease, beriberi.  Beriberi has been a problem for centuries in
impoverished countries.  It is a disease of the peripheral nervous system.
Beriberi, a description of nutritional exhaustion, literally means "I
can't, I can't."  It results in pain (neuritis) and paralysis, swelling and
anemia, decreased liver function and wasting away.  Note, please, the wide
variety of symptoms.

  No drug on earth, then or now, can cure it.  Then and now, it was known to
have something to do with poor diet.  But the question for centuries was,
what exactly causes it?

  In 1897, a prison doctor named Eijkman first cured beriberi.  Many of his
prisoners had the disease.  They were fed a diet of primarily polished
(milled or white) rice, the stuff Americans eat to this day.  Eijkman fed
the prison diet to pigeons and observed them to have the same beriberi
symptoms.  He then fed the sick pigeons unmilled natural (brown) rice.  The
birds were cured.  He tried whole brown rice on the prisoners, and they
were cured.  Completely.  No drug had done that; it took brown rice, and
something special in that unprocessed rice.

  In 1911, Casmir Funk, a Polish chemist living in London would discover
that special something in the outer, usually wasted rice hulls.  Because it
was a nitrogen compound, he labeled it an amine.  Because it was vital to
health, it was a vital amine, or vitamine, or vitamin.  (Incidentally,
vitamine is the English and Australian pronunciation to this day.)  The
name stuck and became generic, like Kleenex.

  Between 1909 and 1916, the Philippines-based American R. R. Williams began
curing beriberi in young children with outstanding success.  The rice
polishings he used were thereafter called vitamin B (for beriberi?) and
thought to provide a single essential chemical.  Today known to be a team
of vitamins, the B-complex, (along with vitamin C) are all water soluble,
indispensable, and generally not stored by the body.

  So it was just about one hundred years ago that thiamin proved to be the
cure, and the only cure, for beriberi.  It was the first formal vitamin
discovery, hence thiamin's designation as B-1.  One of its parts is a
THIAzole ring, and it is a vitaMIN, hence the name.

  Thiamin is activated by thiamin pyrophosphate (TPP) to form a coenzyme
needed in glucose oxidation to either get energy from glucose or to produce
storage fat (lipogenesis).  Without thiamin, these do not occur.  At all.
Hence, the fatigue and wasting away of beriberi.  The mineral magnesium is
another essential cofactor in this process.

  Thiamin is not stored in tissues.  You need it every moment of every day,
and it plays a crucial role in carbohydrate metabolism, pregnancy,
lactation, and muscular activity.  Less well known is that more thiamin is
needed in tissues during fevers.

  Continued deficiency of thiamin is very grave.  Unchecked, beriberi is
fatal.  But a long-standing inadequate, marginal, or minimal thiamin supply
may cause severe neurological effects, most significantly nerve irritation,
diminished reflex response, prickly or deadening sensations, pain, damage
to or degeneration of myelin sheaths the fatty nerve cell insulation
material, and ultimately paralysis.  Dr. Klenner, aware that this could
well describe multiple sclerosis, went to work trying megadoses of thiamin.
  On the principle that it takes a lot of water to put out a
well-established fire, Klenner ignored the US RDA of one to two milligrams
per day and gave MS sufferers one or two thousand milligrams of thiamin a
day.  He administered other vitamin megadoses as well.  Patients improved.

  That book again? Clinical Guide to the Use of Vitamin C.  It is available
without a prescription.  The multiple sclerosis protocol takes up about
five pages.

Copyright  C  1999 and prior years Andrew W. Saul.  From the books QUACK
DOCTOR and PAPERBACK CLINIC, available from Dr. Andrew Saul,  Number 8 Van
Buren Street, Holley, New York 14470.

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Date: Thu Apr 4, 2002 9:36 am
Subject: Multiple Sclerosis: A Revival of Hope
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Multiple Sclerosis: A Revival of Hope
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by Jonathan V. Wright, MD©

reprinted from Nutrition and Healing newsletter

October 1999


Imagine watching a woman with multiple sclerosis of many years duration
(who had previously needed a "walker" to help her get around) walking
unaided several times around a room at good speed, and with no balance
problems. Imagine listening to her say she’s sleeping better, her energy is
much improved, and that she’s able to think more clearly. She attributes
her dramatic improvement to the natural amino acid derivative she’s been
using for the previous two to three weeks. Imagine hearing another woman,
much more seriously afflicted, report that she’s able to feed herself
again, and that her friends and relatives had all noticed her speech is
easier to understand. Both of these improvements occurred within a month of
starting the "new" natural amino acid derivative.

Your editor has seen and listened to both these women in just the last
month. One of your editor's colleagues at Tahoma Clinic, Dr. George
Gillson, MD, PhD, reports that at first checkback (approximately six weeks
of treatment) for 19 individuals with multiple sclerosis, eleven noted
dramatic improvement, three reported one or more significant improvements
in symptoms, (including reduced numbness, better motor control, improved
speech, much better sleeping, and more energy), one had no change, and four
had no change associated with poor absorption of the natural amino acid
derivative, poor patch adhesion, or an interfering drug.

The nurse responsible for the revival of the use of the natural amino acid
derivative (a now mostly symptom-free MS sufferer herself) has collected
verbal reports from over 200 individuals diagnosed with "MS" who've used
the natural amino acid derivative: 72% report at least one significant
improvement in symptoms, and some many more.


The Natural Amino Acid Derivative

The natural amino acid derivative is histamine, a very small and simple
molecule made by every human (and animal) body from the naturally occurring
(and conditionally essential) amino acid histidine. Yes, that's the same
histamine that most of us are told is the "bad guy" of the allergy world,
against which we're all urged to swallow the latest patent (and
prescription-only, until the patent expires) "antihistamine" medication.
Apparently, individuals with MS either don't make enough histamine in their
own bodies, or just need more. Perhaps both. No one knows for certain.

Isn't it premature to be writing about symptom improvement in MS based on
verbal reports of only 200+ individuals, and only 10 reporting back so far
to Tahoma Clinic? Results achieved with...of all things...histamine? Isn't
it all too new ....and perhaps wacky....to get our hopes up? Please refer
back to title of this report (A Revival of Hope), and then let's travel
back in time to St. Joseph's Hospital, in Tacoma, Washington. The year is
1950; the reporter is Miriam Zeller Gross, who published the article from
which the following paragraphs are excerpted from McCall's Magazine for
December of that year.

"At St. Joseph's Hospital, multiple sclerosis is being arrested in one
victim in six. Others get blessed relief. Many leave their beds for the
first time in years. One man unable to move so much as a toe for seven
years walked again within a week after leaving the hospital.....two
patients....had been diagnosed as totally blind...Today both enjoy normal
vision. Most of the 100 patients with whom I talked at the Clinic told
stories that hold the drama of people suddenly reprieved from a death sentence.

Take Mrs. Alice Meinert. This young mother was stricken shortly after New
Year's Day in 1947. By May, she could not get out of bed. For a year she
grew steadily worse. Her father heard about the Clinic in Tacoma (not
Tahoma Clinic, which was founded in 1973--ed.). He urged that his daughter
be sent there. But the attending physician pooh-poohed the idea, and acting
on his advice, Mrs. Meinert's husband refused.

The father took legal action and gained custody of his daughter – a step
accomplished through the farseeing wisdom of Judge Chester A. Batchelor of
the King County Court, Seattle.

Four days after she reached the Tacoma clinic, Mrs. Meinert took her first
steps in more than a year. One week later she walked from the house to the
street and got into an automobile unaided.....her condition has improved
steadily. She does her own housework, looks after her child, and appears in
every way to be a well, happy woman."


Dr. Hinton Jonez

In 1946, Hinton Jonez, MD a Tacoma general practitioner, was invited by the
Sisters of St. Joseph's Hospital to open an MS clinic in a hospital wing.
The Sisters had observed improvements in several individuals with MS
hospitalized at St. Joseph's under Dr. Jonez’ care. The had observed that
the mainstay of Dr. Jonez' treatment was injectable histamine, and knew
that injectable histamine could cause adverse effects, including severe
headaches or stomach aches with considerable cramping if injected at the
wrong dose or speed of administration. There were even reports of deaths
from too much histamine injected too rapidly. But Dr. Jonez' patients had
had no such adverse effects, and all had improved, so the Sisters were
happy when Dr. Jonez volunteered to open a clinic at St. Joseph's dedicated
to the treatment of MS.

Dr. Jonez had learned of injectable histamine treatment for MS at a meeting
of the American College of Allergy (now called the American College of
Allergy and Immunology) from the then-well-known Bayard T. Horton, MD, of
the Mayo Clinic (Rochester, Minnesota). According to Dr. Jonez, when
discussing allergy and allergy treatment over dinner, Dr. Horton had told
him and a group of physicians: "Take multiple sclerosis. There is good
reason to believe it is an allergic condition."1 According to Dr. Jonez,
Dr. Horton had explained that histamine gives new life to MS victims much
as fresh fighting troops revive an exhausted army. "It's too early to say
much" Dr. Horton told Dr. Jonez "but we believe we are on the right track."2


Histamine for Allergies?

Some fifty or more years after Dr. Horton's time, we've all been thoroughly
convinced by the patent medicine companies propaganda ("advertising") that
patented and formerly patented "antihistamines" are the best way to combat
allergy. Such was not the case in the 1940s. Dr. Jonez explains3:

"Let me review some 1946 medical history.....the antihistamine drugs were
big news that year....pharmaceutical houses worked night and day to rush
the latest and most potent antihistaminic drug to doctors and
druggists....while most doctors dosed their patients with antihistamines,
Dr. Horton did the exact opposite. He administered histamine. And he was
getting results. Both allergic conditions and an impressive array of
illnesses were yielding to Dr. Horton's histamine treatment.

Mysterious, intolerable headaches disappeared. So did the symptoms of
Meniere's disease, characterized by progressive deafness, previously
relieved by highly delicate surgery. A host of bizarre eye and ear
conditions heretofore thought incurable had also responded to histamine.

Horton's method was in a sense fighting fire with fire, and based on the
same line of reasoning as giving cowpox vaccinations to fight
smallpox....Instead of suppressing the action of histamine by
antihistaminics, he used histamine against histamine."

If these successes were achieved by a respected staff member of the Mayo
Clinic in the 1940s, why isn't histamine commonly in use today against
allergic diseases? The answers lie in the nature of histamine itself, and
in the nature of American medicine.

Histamine is a very "unstable" molecule; it "breaks down" very rapidly.
When given orally, it can cause considerable stomach upset and cramping;
when given too rapidly or in too great a quantity by injection it can (as
noted above) give very unpleasant effects. A few people had actually died
after being injected with too much histamine too fast. But administering it
properly, Dr. Horton reported that he had given thousands of injections
without a single ill effect. So why didn't physicians learn and apply Dr.
Horton's methods as Dr. Jonez did?

Histamine's biggest handicap is (and was) that as a molecule produced in
human bodies it isn't patentable. Patent medicine (sometimes called
"pharmaceutical") companies would not work "night and day" to rush
histamine...or news of its latest uses...to doctors and druggists. And in
the 1940s, as now, the vast majority of physicians got most of their "new
treatment" information from patent medicine companies.


Dr. Jonez First “Case”

Mrs. Johnston had suffered from MS for five years. She was bedridden,
unable to move her legs..She was going blind…and had difficulty swallowing.

Dr. Jonez describes her response to histamine treatment:

"[Histamine*] was given slowly, carefully. All the elaborate precautions
Horton outlined were observed. He had said that histamine had an
unwarranted bad reputation because doctors...gave [it] too rapidly, or used
contaminated equipment. They failed to realize that the fault lay in their
own ineptness.....

A rosy glow spread over Mrs. Johnston's face, then down her neck and
gradually down the arms. “I feel better already” she said. As the days went
by, there was no doubt she was getting better…she could swallow with ease
for the first time in months. And to the amazement of her eye specialist,
her vision was back to normal…Less than six months after her first dose of
histamine, she was walking. Sensation had fully returned to the legs that
had appeared hopelessly paralyzed. It began the evening her husband
telephoned in great excitement: ‘She can wiggle her toes!’…. The progress
was steady. Soon she gave away the wheelchair.”4

Dr. Jonez goes on to explain that the natural course of MS can include
unexplained “spontaneous” remissions, sometimes of long duration. As this
was his first case, he couldn’t be certain that the histamine injections
had caused Mrs. Johnston’s improvement. However, five years later, after
administering some 150,000 doses and observing the results, he wrote:
“…histamine is the medication of first choice in multiple sclerosis.”5


Dr. Jonez’ Clinic at St. Joseph’s

After obtaining space at St. Joseph’s, and with the help of the sisters,
Dr. Jonez added several features to the basic histamine treatment. As Dr.
Horton had told Dr. Jonez that MS was caused by allergy, and since Dr.
Jonez’ use of Dr. Horton’s histamine treatment for MS had been successful
in many cases, it’s understandable that Dr. Jonez wrote (in a “professional
report”): “At our clinic, complete allergy management is the basis of
therapy. On all of our patients, allergy histories are taken and scratch
tests [the best tests available at that time – ed.] are made for
sensitivities to foods, epidermals, molds, fungi, pollens, and
miscellaneous allergens.”6 On the basis of these tests, diets and allergy
desensitization programs were individualized for each MS patient. Dr. Jonez
emphasized the importance of allergy control as well as histamine
treatment: “Almost without exception, our chronic, progressive [MS
patients] suffered from food allergies.”7 He recounts the case of a
patient: “…who was out of his wheelchair three times and back again because
he thought a small order of salmon and spinach wouldn’t make any difference.”8

Physical therapy was another important part of Dr. Jonez’ program. The
Sisters of St. Joseph’s helped him to make sure physical therapy was done
adequately and appropriately for each patient. For patients whose muscles
were twisted and contorted with MS spasm, Dr. Jonez prescribed injections
of a powerful muscle relaxant to aid in muscle manipulation.

After five years, Dr. Jonez’ multiple sclerosis program was so successful
that the Sisters decided to erect a new clinic building, to house what
would be named St. Joseph Hospital Clinic for Demyelinating Diseases. The
official “groundbreaking” occurred on December 8, 1951, with opening
scheduled for August 15, 1952. Unfortunately, Dr. Horton died, the Sisters
could not find one physician on St. Joseph’s staff willing to continue his
program, and Dr. Jonez’ clinic and program at St. Joseph’s in Tacoma came
to an end.


Other Natural Treatments for MS

At the same time Dr. Jonez was working at St. Joseph’s, another pioneer in
effective natural MS treatment, Dr. Roy Swank, was developing his MS diet
while on the faculty of the University of Oregon Health Sciences Center. Dr
Swank’s diet is high in “unsaturated fatty acids,” which have been found to
aid MS when supplemented alone. Others (including Dr. Jonez) were exploring
the use of injectable vitamin B12, as well as injectable adenosine
monophosphate (AMP), a natural substance made within every cell of our
bodies. During the intervening years, your editor (as well as others) have
found that a large proportion of individuals with MS have significant
impairments of digestion and assimilation, and that a unique herbal
combination can have a significant effect in MS treatment. I have, as well
as other Tahoma Clinic physicians, observed DHEA to be a small help for
some individuals with MS. All of these valuable natural treatments and
aspects of MS will follow the description of the “improved histamine,”
Procarin, the invaluable contribution of Elaine DeLack, RN.


Elaine DeLack, MS, and Procarin9

Elaine developed her first symptoms of MS in 1985 while living in Montana.
While pregnant with her son, she developed intermittent difficulty moving
her left leg. After delivery, she had variable difficulty moving her left
arm and hand. In 1987, an MRI (magnetic resonance image) showed what
appeared to be MS lesions in her central nervous system; a second MRI
showed more lesions, and the “official diagnosis” of MS was made in 1988.

She continued to worsen until “making dinner was a chore.” Finally, she had
her self-described “wake-up call”: a fall while carrying her son, who
required stitches for his cuts. She knew she needed more help. She received
a telephone call from a caring woman who advised her to call Raymond Bjork,
MD, a Montana physician, who advised her to try injections of vitamin B12
and adenosine monophosphate (AMP). She tried taking vitamin B12 by mouth;
it didn’t help.

She moved with her family to the Seattle area in 1990. She decided to take
vitamin B12 by injection, along with AMP. She reports “it really helped,”
and that she could put herself into remission with these natural substance
injections.

In 1993, she finished work for her RN, which she had started in Montana
before taking “time out” to care for her children. While working at her
first job at a nursing home, she tried to convince the attending physicians
to use injections of vitamin B12 and AMP for MS patients. Only one
physician would listen; he had the injections given to one of the nursing
home residents suffering from MS, who strengthened and went home. Despite
this, none of the other physicians would consent to try the injections for
their MS patients, telling Elaine “there isn’t enough research.”

So in 1994, she enrolled in a research methods course at the Bothell campus
of the University of Washington, determined to find and develop research on
injectable vitamin B12 and AMP. She found research showing that histamine
stimulated the production of the “intrinsic factor” by the stomach. She
knew that vitamin B12 cannot be absorbed without “intrinsic factor,” and
she recalled that vitamin B12 had not worked for her when she swallowed it,
but had been very helpful for her when she injected it. She felt she had
found key information. After that, it seemed that in her research
“everything led to histamine.”

She started giving herself histamine by injection and with transdermal
patches, but found the effects too transient. Further research led her to
other natural substances which would slow the body’s breakdown of
histamine. She found a combination which helped her eliminate all her own
MS symptoms. After first working with Judy Richardson, R.Ph., who helped
develop the delivery system, she located George Ballasiotes, R.Ph., and Jim
Seymour, R.Ph., at Key Pharmacy, in Kent, Washington, who helped compound
and distribute the histamine combination (which she named “Procarin”) more
widely. She obtained a “use patent” for the Procarin; in the course of the
patent research she discovered the work of Dr. Jonez. After she obtained
her “use patent,” she formed a company, and raised money for feasibility
studies.

Once again, she was frustrated by the unwillingness of many doctors to
consider using the Procarin. Even when nothing else was working for their
MS patients, they refused to try. Finally, she located Dr. Daniel Nehls, a
Tacoma neurosurgeon, who conducted a pilot study with encouraging results.


Tahoma Clinic Gets Involved

In the 1980s, I read Dr. Jonez’ book and professional paper, and spoke to a
former patient of his, still “in remission.” Dr. Jonez’ book “rang true,”
and his former patient was convincing, so we tried injectable histamine at
Tahoma Clinic intermittently in the mid-1980s. Unfortunately, we had no
inpatient facility available for the slow, continuous infusions mentioned
by Dr. Jonez. Our patients didn’t have enough results from the histamine
infusions to continue, so we put the project “on the shelf.” (We were
having better results with the allergy work advocated by Dr. Jonez, and
other items.)

This summer, George and Jim from Key Pharmacy told Tahoma Clinic physicians
about their work with Elaine and Procarin, and about Dr. Nehls’ pilot
study. Fortunately, we were aware of Dr. Jonez’ prior histamine work.
Having worked with natural medicine since 1973, we knew that Procarin had a
very low potential for adverse effects, and that the potential benefits for
MS patients were enormous. We started to work with it right away.

We designed standardized, simple to mark questionnaires to be filled out
“before” and “after” Procarin use, so we could keep track of any changes,
for better or worse. A few individuals with MS were kind enough to keep
daily journals; the following is excerpted from one of these,10 a woman who
started to apply Procarin patches twice daily on July 16, 1999:

July 16: No reaction, no improvement

July 18: Getting out of wheelchair improving, less fatigue.

Able to feed myself, no tremors, able better to support myself in bathroom.
Bladder control improvement. Balance improving, to stand longer,
comprehension improvement. Didn’t need to take afternoon nap.

July 19: Over-all I’m feeling better, thinking clearer. Talked to relatives
on the phone & they note a difference in speech and conversation

July 20: Getting out of wheelchair even better, can stand for longer
periods of time, went to P.T., & she noticed how much stronger I was. Less
swelling in ankles. Still feeling better.

July 21: Feeling stronger, more energy, thinking clearer. Swelling still
less in ankles.Standing longer. Less fatigue. Generally feeling stronger.

July 22: Starting to build muscles in my legs (probably from standing?)

July 23: Starting to get a better appetite. Feeling less fatigue and
feeling stronger.

July 24: Same.

July 25: Less numbness in hands and arms. Still don’t take afternoon naps.

July 26: Noticed improvement in legs – getting stronger. Can make “baby
steps.” Not very much, but improving.

July 27: Went to my P.T. and actually walked with help 20 feet twice. Can
move my left leg forward, but can’t on my right side. Was transferring from
wheelchair to P.T. table by myself.

July 28: Can stand up longer (hanging onto something). Arms continue to get
stronger.

July 29: Same.

July 30: Just keep feeling stronger. Can stand with help longer.

July 31: Just over-all feeling better.

August 1: Stayed up late with a relative last night. Was not as tired.
Didn’t have to take a nap. Actually took 3 small steps hanging onto a bar.

August 2: Building muscles in arms and legs. Can stand up straighter if I
am hanging onto something or someone. Can look into my husband’s eyes again!

August 3: Have less swelling in my feet and ankles, but more in my right
foot. Have more energy to do things around the house.

August 4: Building muscles in arms and legs.

August 5: Feeling stronger. A slight rash on my face. Have had it before.
Comes and goes.

August 6: Same.

August 7: Felt stronger. Still rash on my face.

August 8: Fatigued. Exercised a little more than I should have.

August 9: Rash still present.

August 10: Starting to itch at several sites across chest and back. Still
feeling stronger. I only seem to start itching after the second patch comes
off.

August 11: Used cortisone cream on the sites that itched last night and
that helped. Used it also on my face. Rash on my face is practically gone.
I am also getting out of my wheelchair better and standing up straighter.

August 12: Took my first steps today!! Yeah! I had to hold onto a bar in
our bathroom, but I took 3 steps. Then I yelled for my husband and made 3
steps forward and 3 back. Actually picked my feet up off the ground.
Feeling stronger.

August 13: Still can take a few steps. The rash on my face is a lot better.

August 14: I noticed when I have the patches on, I don’t itch. The 8 hours
I have the patch off, I seem to start itching where the previous patches
have been.

August 15: Still generally feeling better every day. Getting stronger and
can exercise longer.

August 16: Didn’t itch at all last night. I have also been eating better.
More fish and poultry. I have always eaten fruits and vegetables, just more
now.

August 17: Same.

August 18: I have been waking up around 2 AM for the last few nights very
hot and sweaty. Almost like having “hot flashes.” Went to have my hair done
and normally I am exhausted by the time we get home. I wasn’t [exhausted]
today. I have new hair growth that is not coming in gray, but my natural
hair color.

August 19: Able to do more exercises.

August 20: Same.

August 21: Basically the same. Got up early and could do it. Getting out a
lot more and feeling like I can.

August 22: Not really feeling tired after yesterday’s adventure.

August 23: Same.

August 24: Still exercising. Feeling stronger.

August 25: Same; still less swelling in my ankles.

(As noted above, of the first ten “return visits” to Tahoma Clinic by
Procarin-aided MS, seven showed at least one significant improvement. Three
did not; it may be co-incidental, but all three non-responders were taking
Baclofen, a “muscle spasm blocking” patent medication. But whether the
Baclofen interfered with Procarin or not, Procarin is not expected to help
100%.)


How Does Procarin (and Histamine) Work Against MS?

Dr. Jonez was convinced that MS was a manifestation of allergy. As noted
above, his opinion was based on the work of Mayo Clinic physician Bayard T.
Horton, MD, as well as on the opinion of Foster Kennedy, MD, Professor of
Neurology at Cornell University Medical School, whom Jonez describes as
“one of the great neurologists of our day.”11 He quotes Dr. Kennedy: “I
have finally reached the conclusion that multiple sclerosis cannot be
explained on any other basis [but allergy].”12 Jonez adopted and extended
Horton’s histamine treatment for allergy, focusing it on MS with
considerable success (as well as safety). As noted above, he also
recommended complete allergy evaluation and treatment, with histamine a
major tool.

However, Jonez also points out that histamine is a potent blood vessel
dilator. He quotes two other histamine-employing MS researchers, who wrote
that the basic therapy for MS “calls for continued vasodilation of the
vessels of the nervous system, as well as for the prevention of spasm. Both
these measures should be enforced for 24 hours a day. A [histamine]-free
interval of even a few minutes would suffice for an attack.”13 According to
this theory, histamine reverses the blood vessel spasm (of unknown cause)
associated with MS, restoring normal blood flow to the affected tissue,
thus promoting healing.

Elaine DeLack has a different point of view.14 Based on her research (she
cites the Journal of Neuroscience Research; Archives of Neurology;
Pharmacology, Biochemistry and Behavior; Journal of Laboratory and Clinical
Medicine; Annals of Neurology; Journal of Neurochemistry) she writes: “I
believe that MS is a result of an infectious agent, very possibly a
provirus, that attacks [histamine] producing cell bodies in the central
nervous system…. Proviruses, or slow viruses, sit dormant in a cell until a
stressor causes them to become active, and they begin to trick the cell
into reproducing [the virus]. The [histamine] producing cells become busy
making the virus rather than [histamine] and a person starts to experience
symptoms of MS due to the lack of [histamine] being produced. Eventually
the [histamine]-producing cell body becomes so full of the virus that it
explodes dumping the virus and the cell contents (which we call enzymes
that the cell is normally intended to make), into the blood and spinal
fluid. This results in an increased level of [histamine], which in turn
stimulates the making of the component that maintains the myelin. This
results in a decrease of MS symptoms and a person goes into remission. But
many of the dumped viruses from the damaged [histamine] producing cells are
able to invade more [histamine] producing cells. The virus in these newly
invaded cells remain dormant until once again a stressor triggers the virus
to become active and the above cycle is repeated. This is what I believe
happens during the Remissive-Relapsing stage of MS. Once the [histamine]
producing cells have been depleted to the point that the body can no longer
produce enough [histamine] to maintain the myelin as well as the many other
functions it is involved in, the MS symptoms begin to worsen steadily. This
I believe is the stage that is called Secondary Progressive MS. I believe
that Chronic Progressive MS happens when a person experiences a severe
attack on these [histamine] producing cells and because of the number of
[histamine] producing cells being destroyed, the person experiences a rapid
steady decline with no remissions – all due to the deficient level of
[histamine].”

No one knows whether Dr. Jonez’ theories or Elaine DeLack’s theories of how
histamine works against MS are true in the whole or in part. Ultimately,
this is very important, but for MS sufferers, the most important questions
are: Can histamine (as Procarin) lessen my symptoms? Is it safe? Although
more work is needed, it appears that the answer is yes.


Procarin (and Histamine): Facts and Observations

It’s obvious that Procarin (histamine and natural substances which slow
histamine breakdown and release) isn’t a cure for MS, but a replacement
therapy, much like insulin for type 1 diabetes, or natural hormone
replacement therapy. As such it needs to be used continuously and
indefinitely (when effective) to maintain symptom relief.

Dr. Jonez wrote: “Our best results were obtained among those able to take
the largest amounts of histamine. Blondes and redheads are watched with
particular care. They seldom tolerate as heavy doses of histamine as those
with darker coloring.”15 He also wrote: “histamine must be given constantly
and in tolerance doses.”16 He concluded a professional paper as follows:
“After treating over 1500 patients…it is our opinion that much can be done
for sufferers of multiple sclerosis. Early diagnosis and treatment result
in a great possibility of bringing about a remission and the retarding or
arresting of the disease…. Treatment as outlined does not cure, but it does
arrest symptoms a great many times…. By this regimen we have made
ambulatory or wheelchair cases out of bedfast ones. Also, we have taken
wheelchair cases and made them ambulatory. Still others become symptom-free
and remained so without an exacerbation up to periods of over five years.”17

Elaine DeLack notes a paradox: The effect of the histamine in Procarin is
completely negated by “H2 blocker” patent medications (medications which
block the action of histamine at “H2” receptors). These include Zantac,
Tagamet, and other “acid-blocker” medications. However, “antihistamines”
found in “cold remedies” (such as Benadryl) do not interfere with the
histamine in Procarin, and in fact can be used to treat the occasional skin
rash associated with its use. Elaine and her husband Marvin have also noted
an apparent association between lack of response to Procarin and
“heat-insensitive” MS; most individuals with MS are very sensitive to heat,
and report their symptoms worsen with “heat stress.”

The “patch” technology for Procarin is still evolving. Instructions for use
must be followed carefully for the Procarin to be absorbed properly and do
its job. Individualization of both patches and dose is sometimes necessary.

Presently, the prevailing price for one month’s supply of Procarin is $249.
However, as more and more of the over-1000 compounding pharmacies start
offering it, the price may well decline.


Other Worthwhile “Natural” MS Therapies: Diet

Dr. Roy Swank, now-retired Professor of Neurology at the University of
Oregon Health Sciences Center, recommended a diet low in saturated fat (20
grams daily or less) with added “unsaturated” fatty acids including cod
liver oil and vegetable oils. The “Swank Diet” eliminated margarine,
“shortenings,” and hydrogenated (partially or otherwise) vegetable oils.
Very long-term follow-up (in some cases over 30 years) showed that
individuals who followed the diet closely had significantly less
deterioration as compared with those who didn’t follow the diet. Notably,
the death rate was 31% among those who had followed the diet, and 80% among
those who hadn’t. Individuals with the least disability at the start of the
study did best: 95% of that group remained only mildly disabled for
approximately 30 years.18,19 Given these statistics, the “Swank Diet”
(modified to eliminate all food additives, preservatives, colorings, and
artificial flavorings, all “refined flour” and sugar, and completely
individualized for food allergy) is always recommended for MS sufferers at
Tahoma Clinic.


Food Allergy

As noted above, Dr. Jonez believed and observed that food allergy could
have a significant impact on MS. Dr. Jonez certainly wasn’t alone. One
study reported that in fifteen individuals with MS, symptoms could be
completely controlled or improved by avoidance of allergenic foods, house
dust, or tobacco.20 Other researchers reported that 31% of 49 MS sufferers
improved when they avoided allergenic foods. When they re-introduced these
foods, symptoms frequently worsened.22 Both myself and my colleague Alan R.
Gaby, MD, (former co-editor of this newsletter) have worked with
individuals whose MS was greatly improved by food allergy avoidance.23


Impairment of Digestion and Assimilation

Even if the very best, individualized diet is strictly followed, it won’t
help as much as it might if it isn’t optimally digested and absorbed. At
Tahoma Clinic, individuals with MS are always evaluated for digestive
impairment. A large majority are found to have either gastric
hypochlorhydria (low production of stomach acid) and/or “pancreatic
exocrine insufficiency” (lack of sufficient pancreatic digestive enzymes to
optimally digest food fiber, fats and oils, or proteins). Stomach tests are
performed as “gastric analysis by radiotelemetry.”24 Pancreatic function is
assessed in a much more “low-tech” fashion, by direct microscopic
observation of a specially-stained stool specimen, along with a
“steatocrit” (a determination of the percent undigested fat in a stool
specimen). Supplementation of betaine hydrochloride with pepsin with meals
and/or pancreatic enzymes (“pancreatin”) after meals is recommended for any
individual whose tests are abnormal.

At least one research paper has reported poor digestion and absorption in a
large proportion of individuals with MS. Quoting from the abstract to this
paper: “Malabsorption tests were studied in 52 patients with multiple
sclerosis. The stools were examined microscopically for fat and undigested
meat fibers and were found to be abnormal in 41.6 and 40.9% respectively
[pancreatic exocrine insufficiency – ed]. Abnormally low five hour
excretion of d-xylose [another test of malabsorption – ed] was demonstrated
in 26.6% of cases. Malabsorption of vitamin B12 was found in 11.9% of
cases….25 Unfortunately, no one has published data on the prevalence of
gastric hypochlorhydria in MS; in practice, Tahoma Clinic has found well
over 50%.


Essential Fatty Acids

Dr. Swank’s diet emphasized high levels of essential fatty acids. A
“meta-analysis” (combined statistical evaluation) of three MS research
trials (not done by Dr. Swank) concluded that supplementation of essential
fatty acids (in this case, sunflower oil) was associated with longer
remissions and less severe exacerbations (worsenings).26 Instead of
routinely recommending sunflower oil, we prefer to monitor “red cell
membrane essential fatty acids” (a blood test), and recommend “omega-3,”
“omega-6,” and “omega-9” unsaturated fatty acids in quantities to keep the
“omega-3/omega-6 ratio” tipped in favor of the “omega-3” oils. Although
this is done for MS on purely theoretical grounds (at this time) the reason
is that omega-3 fatty acids are thought to generally suppress inflammation
and an over-active immune system, while the omega-6 fatty acids generally
are thought to do the opposite.


Injectable Vitamin B12

As noted above, Elaine DeLack’s personal experience was that ingested
vitamin B12 didn’t help her symptoms; injectable vitamin B12 did help. Dr
Jonez reported that injectable vitamin B12 helped his patients with MS. An
early report in the AMA Journal told of improvement in neurologic function
in individuals with MS receiving vitamin B12 injections.27 Much more
recently, Japanese researchers reported more frequent improvements in both
visual and brainstem auditory evoked potentials in individuals with MS
receiving vitamin B12 injections (the methylcobalamin form of vitamin B12)
during the treatment period than during the pretreatment period.28 Perhaps
the positive responses to injectable vitamin B12 may be explained by one
researcher’s statement that “…vitamin B12 is required for the formation of
myelin” [myelin is the “nerve insulation” destroyed in MS sufferers –
ed].29 At Tahoma Clinic, self-injection (or injection by a family member)
of vitamin B12 is always recommended; the large majority who try it report
it helpful.


Injectable Adenosine Monophosphate

Adenosine monophosphate (AMP) is an immediate precursor of adenosine
triphosphate (ATP), an important “energy molecule” in every cell in our
bodies. Since most (nearly 90% by one estimate) AMP is transformed into
ATP, and AMP is considerably less expensive, AMP is usually used. However,
Dr. Jonez was given a supply of injectable ATP (by the Anhauser-Busch
company!) and wrote: “…we used [injectable ATP] on 224 patients…. The most
noticeable improvement has been in bladder symptoms. The patients have been
relieved of incontinence, urgency and frequency of urination, and most
patients have spoken of being able to enjoy more refreshing sleep. Several
have gained better muscle co-ordination and balance in walking. Several
have discarded their canes….”30

In one study, sixteen individuals with severe MS disability were give AMP
injections for six to ten months. Very significant improvements were noted
in endurance and bladder malfunction.31 In another study of 26 MS afflicted
individuals, two were reported to have had “complete and lasting relief of
all symptoms and signs,” eleven were reported to have “moderate but
definite and useful improvement,” four had “slight but definite
improvement,” eight had “slight but variable improvement but not
maintained,” and one had no change.32 An intriguing interconnection:
Examination of a table of “biochemical pathways” reveals that AMP is a
precursor of histidine and histamine, as well as ATP.

When given intravenously, AMP can easily cause tranisent faintness, chest
constriction, and shortness of breath. For this reason, at Tahoma Clinic we
recommend intramuscular injection, which rarely causes these unwanted effects.


Adaptrin (Padma 28)

Adaptrin is an herbal mixture originating in Tibet. Previously known as
“Padma-28,” it was suppressed by the Food and Drug Administration (despite
no complaints or safety concerns). It is now available through a different
supplier who wisely makes no statements about what it might be used for. In
Padma 28/Adaptrin, twenty-two ingredients are combined in a specific order.

In a study of 100 individuals with chronic progressive multiple sclerosis,
some were randomly assigned to treatment with Padma 28 (2 tablets 3 times
daily) for one year, and others to a control group treated only
symptomatically; 44% of those taking Padma 28 experienced improvement,
including improved general condition, increased muscular strength, or
improvement or disappearance of disorders affecting sphincters. Decrease in
paresis33 (paralysis/spasticity) was observed in 36%. In those with
initially abnormal visual evoked potentials, 41% had improvement or
normalization. Patients with both recurrent attacks and slowly progressive
multiple sclerosis both improved, although the frequency of improvement was
higher (55%) in the former group than in the latter (33%). No side effects
were reported. None of the patients in the control group improved; 40% had
deterioration in their condition.33


DHEA

Although there have been as yet no publications concerning DHEA treatment
of MS, Tahoma Clinic physicians have found it useful. DHEA levels are
always measured prior to treatment, and are very frequently found low in
individuals with MS. Supplementing with physiologic quantities of DHEA
frequently results in reports of increased strength in individuals
supplemented with DHEA.


In Conclusion

Elaine DeLack’s revival of Jonez’ (and Horton’s) histamine treatment of MS
and her improvement of it as Procarin is a very significant breakthrough in
the care of MS-afflicted individuals. Procarin has made effective histamine
treatment easily possible on an outpatient, at-home basis, with enormously
more convenience and considerably less cost than in-hospital, continuous
intravenous or intramuscular histamine treatment. Combined with a
“natural-food” Swank diet individually modified for food allergy, detection
of and compensation for defects of digestion and assimilation, essential
fatty acid supplementation, injectable vitamin B12 and adenosine
monophosphate (AMP), and supplementation of Adaptrin and DHEA, Procarin
gives us not only a revival of hope, but a much improved chance of making a
very real improvement in symptoms of individuals suffering from multiple
sclerosis.




References

1. Jonez HD, My Fight to Conquer Multiple Sclerosis, Julian Meissner, New
York, 1952, page 24

2. ibid, page 25

3. ibid, pages 21-22

4. ibid, page 34

5. ibid, page 48

6. Jonez HD, Management of Multiple Sclerosis, Postgrad Med 1952;11(5):415-421

7. Jonez HD, My Fight To Conquer Multiple Sclerosis, op cit, page 50

8. ibid, page 51

9. This section, personal communication, Elaine DeLack, September 1999

10. Data on file, Tahoma Clinic

11. Jonez HD, My Fight To Conquer Multiple Sclerosis, op. cit., page 25

12. ibid, page 26

13. Jonez HD, Management of Multiple Sclerosis, op. cit. Page 420, citing
Brickner RM and Franklin CR, Visible retinal artery spasm associated with
multiple sclerosis, Arch Neurol Psych 1944;51:573, and Franklin CR and
Brickner RM, Vasospasm associated with multiple sclerosis, Arch Neurol
Psych 1947;48:125

14. DeLack E, unpublished paper

15. Jonez HD, My Fight To Conquer Multiple Sclerosis, op cit, pages 42-43

16. ibid, page 47

17. Jonez HD, Management of multiple sclerosis, op cit, page 421

18. Swank RL et al. Effect of low saturated fat diet in early and late
cases of multiple sclerosis, Lancet 1990;336:37-39

19. Swank RL Multiple sclerosis: fat-oil relationship. Nutrition,
1991;7:368-376

20. Meyer MG et al. Is multiple sclerosis a manifestation of idioblaptic
allergy? Psych Quarterly 1954;28:57-71

22. Ehrenthal OF et al. Role of food allergy in multiple sclerosis.
Neurology 1952; 2:412-426

23. Wright JV Gaby AR. Multiple sclerosis and Multiple sclerosis
commentary, Nutrition and Healing Newsletter 1997;4(9):1-7 [Publishers
Management Corporation, Box 84909, Phoenix, Arizona, 85071 USA.

24. Andres MR Bingham JR. Tubeless gastric analysis with a
radio-telemetering pill [Heidelberg capsule]. Can Med Assoc J 1970;102:1087

25. Gupta JK et al. Multiple sclerosis and malabsorption. Am J Gastroent
1977;68:560-565

26. Dworkin RH. Linoleic acid and multiple sclerosis: a re-analysis of
three double-blind trials. Neurology 1984;34:1441-1445

27. Anonymous. Vitamin B12 in multiple sclerosis. JAMA 1950; 143:1272

28. Kira J Tobimatsu S Goto I. Vitamin B12 metabolism and massive dose
methyl vitamin B12 therapy in Japanese patients with multiple sclerosis.
Int Med 1994;33:82-86

29. Sandyk R Awerebuch GI. Vitamin B12 and its relationship to age of onset
of multiple sclerosis Int J Neuroscience 1993;71:93-99

30. Jonez HD My fight to conquer multiple sclerosis, op cit, page 213

31. Lowry ML Moore RW Caillet R. Adenosine-5-monophosphate in the treatment
of multiple sclerosis. Am J Med Sci 1953;226:73-83

32. Shapiro A. Effects of muscle adenylic acid in multiple sclerosis. Ann
NY Acad Sci 1954;58:633-644

33. Korwin-Piotrowska T et al. Experience of Padma 28 in multiple
sclerosis. Phytother Res 1992;6:133-136

#63 From: "mvisconte" <mvisconte@...>
Date: Thu Feb 28, 2002 6:05 pm
Subject: Vitamin B12 made from hog poop? 1) is it true? 2) so what?
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--- In MS-testimonials@y..., it was asserted that:
> Subject: Re: Vitamin B12

> ... 1 cc IM injections of B12 once a week.
> ... really made a difference in my energy level/improved
> my fatigue. I found out (from an MD's web site/videos) that
> injectable B12 is made of sewage sludgeor material
> from animals. Yuk! I mentioned that to my MD and he didn't
> dispute that injectable B12 is made from sewage sludge or
> material from animals.

I think that that is ridiculous.  Anything intended for IM injection
(or any internal use) is pharmacy quality.  No matter WHAT the
origin, it is pure and sterile when it gets to the distribution
bottle.  As an aside, if you have ever used skin/ face cream, you're
putting human waste materials on your skin... one of the main
ingredients is carbamide, aka urea, aka urine.

And if it helps you, so what?  To forgo something that helps you
because of its origin, is silly, childish, and ignorant -- especially
since everything intended for IM injection has been sterilized,
processed, tested, and approved.  The water you drink has been
reclaimed from waste water.  The fact that the water is processed or
sterilized is the key.

It would be nice if there were pure vitamin B-12 trees, grown in a
sterile environment, under glassed geodesic domes, available for
free.  Instead, manufacturers make their products from materials
chosen because of several economic variables -- include price AND
potential for future law-suits.  Companies are being wrecklessly sued
right and left for trying to do good... only a truly foolish director
would have his/her company making toxic medicine, and people don't
get to be directors by being stupid.


> I can't believe that I was shooting that stuff into me!

I can't either.  And I don't.

> I've moved to using a daily vegetarian sublingual B12 supplement.

Possible made from "plant poop".

> According to some MDs, if our intestines are
> functioning correctly, we should be able to get enough B12
> - even from vegan food.

And, if our bodies were functioning correctly, there would be no
cancer, MS, FM, etc.

> I had a blood test from Spectracel
> Laboratories, Inc. for FIA Comprehensive Profile.

How much, where, contact information?

#64 From: mtprn@...
Date: Thu Mar 14, 2002 5:09 pm
Subject: Dancing Bee Acres: Raw Unprocessed Honey, Pollen, Royal Jelly, Propolis, and Natural Health Supplements
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Found this info on net but have no 1st hand experience with it!
http://www.dancingb.com/

#65 From: Espen <groupmaster@...>
Date: Thu Apr 25, 2002 5:40 pm
Subject: diet coke & MS symptoms
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From: "Marlene" <mmacfar@...>
Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2002 11:30:08 -0300
Subject: Re: [Quackbusters] Fw: Suspension of "Marlene"
To: Quackbusters@yahoogroups.com


Judith,

A neighbor of mine had MS symptoms and they checked him for everything and
nothing showed up.

Someone told him about aspartame and he was drinking a lot of diet coke a
day.

He checked it out on the internet and stopped drinking the diet coke and all
symptoms went away.


Just two weeks ago this same experience happened to my girlfriend. She got
numbness and other symptoms. She only drank a small amount and it happened.
She had heard about the connection and stopped immediately.


This stuff is in everything and most of the public is unaware of the
dangers.

Of course they will defend it just like they defend the mercury amalgam
issue when all the research says otherwise.
More and more victims everyday and they just laugh about it. I do not
understand this mentality.

To just shirk it off and make fun of people getting sick and saying it is
all in your head,comes from an individual that I find hard to comprehend.
Thank God there are decent people left in this world who care about this
earth and the people in it.

I would hate to think the whole world consisted of people like this.

Marlene

#66 From: Espen <groupmaster@...>
Date: Sun May 26, 2002 10:31 am
Subject: Bee venom
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From: "albross.fsnet.co.uk" <m.birkenshaw@...>
Date: Sun, 26 May 2002 10:19:31 +0100
Subject: [mscured] Bee venom

The bee venom certainly works for some people with inflammatory diseases,
much to the puzzlement of doctors researching the affects. The venom should
irritate the inflammation, though in some case it does the opposite, as
though it was kicking the autoimune system into working correctly.


I use the do-it-yourself version of Procarin available from a doctor in
Wales who has MS himself. This is a histamine, like bee venom, though you
rub it on rather than be stung - which is essential for big brave me and
needles!


Like venom treatment it does not work for everyone, but it certainly has
helped me, and it's not just imagination. I find myself able to do things
that I had completely forgotten about. Anyway, it's not expensive, comes
already made up, and he is very helpful. All the folk I have recommended
tell me that he is anxious to advise free of charge at 01792-417514 or
bob.lawrence@....


Hope this helps,


Malcolm.
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    From: "Tim & Kathleen" Subject: opinions please


Greetings agian, I am interested in dabling in Bee venom thearapy and came
accross an internet course.  Do you really think that sort of thing would
make much difference or just tackel the legal issues and such?  Those of you
who have used this therapy how did you go about it?  What led you to that
conclusion?


Bees are such wonderful creatures, my door is opened and one just flew in to
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hornet populations. After all nature doesnt allow a void, but if one
creature moves in  others will move away.




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I am a 56-year-old housewife who was diagnosed with MS in January 1985, at the
age of 39. My symptoms varied and fluctuated over the years but included hand
tremors, balancing problems, trouble walking, legs felt very heavy, knees
buckling, frequent falling, leg muscle spasms, loss of appetite, recurring
nausea, severe constipation, incontinence--both bladder and bowel, chronic
bladder and kidney infections, chronic fatigue, pain in hands, stinging and
burning/electric shock sensation in my feet and legs, severe depression, mood
swings, temporary partial paralysis in legs, short term memory loss, loss of
concentration, confusion, slurred speech, difficulty in making even simple
decisions.

My treatments included countless prescription medications, IV steroids
(methylprednisolone), chemotherapy (cytoxan), a daily preventative dose of
antibiotics for the urinary tract infections, and anti-nausea medication to
enable me to eat something because I could not take my other medications on an
empty stomach. For over 9 years I followed medical doctors' advice and only
continued to get worse. My neuro had told me that the chemo would make my
exacerbations less severe and fewer and farther between. It took me a few years
to realize that this was not the case.

We had seen the 60 Minutes report about the dangers of mercury poisoning from
mercury amalgam (silver) dental fillings that aired in December 1990 and the
possibility of a link between mercury poisoning and chronic degenerative
diseases. We started checking into that possibility and bought a copy of the
book "It's All In Your Head" by Dr. Hal Huggins. It sounded pretty far-fetched
to us and pretty unbelievable. So we asked my neurologist and dentist about it.
They both laughed and told us that it was a scam and said there was nothing to
it. Both of them said that amalgam removal would be a waste of time and money.
We asked my neurologist if nutrition would help. He said "It probably wouldn't
help, but it wouldn't hurt. So try it if you want to." We continued listening
to the doctors for four more years. Then finally my neurologist told me he had
done all he could do for me and for me to go home, rest and if I got worse,
call him. We were not satisfied with that suggestion! Duncan felt there must be
SOMETHING we could do. He began countless hours of research on the Internet
checking into alternative medicine.

In April 1994 I went to a chiropractor/nutritionist who started me on juicing
fresh organic fruits and vegetables and taking herbal colon cleansers. My
nausea cleared up and my appetite began to improve in less than a week. I no
longer needed my daily anti-nausea medication. My constipation of six years was
gone in less than two weeks. My then-current neurologist had been telling me
"Constipation is just part of MS. Learn to live with it and take a laxative of
your choice." Well, I learned I didn't have to live with it. When my appetite
came back, my strength soon began to improve.

When we asked my nutritionist about amalgams, he immediately said that it would
be necessary to get them out in order to totally detoxify my body. This was
further reinforced by an organization named DAMS (Defense Against Mercury
Syndromes). They published a book Defense Against Mystery Syndromes with many
first-hand personal stories about different degenerative diseases that were
cured or greatly improved by removal of dental mercury amalgam fillings.

We searched the web and found an incredible amount of information on amalgams.
Since I had 15 fillings, we decided to have them replaced. We weren't sure
amalgam removal would work, but I was desperate and felt I had to give it a
try. I knew that if I didn’t try it, it surely would not work. I had my
amalgams replaced with non-toxic composites in November 1994.

At first I was disappointed and depressed because there was no immediate
change, except for the fact that I was able to gradually taper off taking all
of my prescription medications in December 1994. I did not notice any bad
effects from doing so. Prior to this I had tried to cut down on my medications,
but was unable to.

As recommended by Dr. Huggins, after amalgam removal I began EDTA IV chelation
treatments to remove the mercury poison that had accumulated in my body over
the years. He had explained how mercury vapor is released from the amalgams as
you chew food or gum and drink hot beverages and that it accumulates in your
cells, tissues and organs. Not feeling any different after five chelation
treatments, we decided not to continue with them. We didn't realize at that
time just how significant they could be. In the meantime I kept on juicing and
watching my diet.

The change was so slow and gradual that we didn't notice it was happening for a
while. Then about 6 or 8 months after amalgam removal we started noticing
subtle improvements. Looking back, we realized that my knees had quit buckling.
I quit falling and was soon able to walk some without holding on to anything.
Then we noticed that the tremors, slurred speech had gone, and short-term
memory loss was improving. Prior to amalgam removal I was having bladder
infections almost continuously. I've had only one bladder infection in the past
8 years and I was able to cure it without antibiotics. My immune system was
beginning to work again! I used CranActin capsules made from cranberry juice
concentrate, which are available at the health food store, and I added lots of
cranberries in my juices. I have more energy and no longer need to take daily
naps. When I realized what was happening, we both got very excited and happy.
With the arrival of new hope for recovery, I lost my depression and started
being happy and smiling again for the first time in years.

In trying to get even better, I began the Gerson Therapy at home in February
1996. This is an intensive nutrition and detoxification treatment for cancer,
heart disease, diabetes, arthritis, and other chronic degenerative diseases,
including MS. It consists of flooding your body with pure nutrition and live
enzymes (building blocks to help the body assimilate the nutrients). It
recommends drinking up to thirteen 8-oz glasses of fresh organic vegetable and
fruit juices hourly each day, and eating organic fruits and vegetables, and
detoxifying your body with daily coffee enemas to cleanse the colon of all the
years of accumulated toxins.

On this program, you eat only fresh organic fruits and vegetables, nothing from
a can, box, or jar. You eat nothing with preservatives, sugar, salt, white
flour, or anything that has had insecticide on it. One drinks only purified
water - no chlorine or fluoride is allowed. No insecticides are to be used
inside the house. When needed, use a fly swatter. As many toxins as possible
are to be eliminated, including hair coloring, makeup, hair spray and perfume.
The human body has the ability to heal itself if it is detoxified and fed the
right nutrients (live enzymes) for fuel. It's a shame that what we were taught
as kids to be "good nutrition" really isn't. Also, you should not cook in
Teflon-coated or aluminum cookware. Aluminum is to be strictly avoided,
including alum, baking powder and deodorants made with aluminum.

Nine months after being on the Gerson Therapy, I began taking more chelation
treatments again until I had a total of 26. Since amalgam removal, chelation
and change in diet, ALL my symptoms are either GONE or IMPROVED! I continue to
improve. In the summer of 1997 I even got my driver's license after not driving
for 9 years. I still have problems. My stinging and burning/electric shock
sensation in my feet and legs, although more tolerable now, is still with me.
However, it doesn't "put me under" like it used to. I still ride my electric
scooter around the house, but less than half as much now as I did eight years
ago. I can walk farther from my scooter now, but the more I walk the more my
legs hurt. The pain is my worst problem now, although it is nothing like it
used to be. At its worst now it is far better than it used to be at its best!

Four years before we were ready to listen, a friend of ours had tried to tell
us about the dangers of amalgams. It took me that much longer of going downhill
and getting worse before Duncan and I gave up on the medical profession and
began listening to our friend. He had been through amalgam removal, chelation
and the Gerson Therapy himself and had cured his Chronic Fatigue Syndrome.

For the past 8 years since trying alternative healing methods I have continued
to get better: including shopping for groceries on my own for almost 5 years
now; once again balancing the checkbook, which I had to give up for a while due
to my cognitive problems; doing light house cleaning; not only being able to
type with all ten fingers again, but regaining my 80+ wpm speed.

I am so glad we finally decided to stop listening to my neurologist. I only
wish we had done this sooner. I truly believe I would not have gotten as bad as
I did and would have recovered 100% by now.

Last summer we learned from an email friend about an excellent book "Amalgam
Illness, Diagnosis and Treatment by Andrew Cutler. He explains that EDTA IV
chelation does not cross the blood brain barrier and DMSA and Alpha Lipoic Acid
are needed to pull mercury out of the brain. So we are trying that now. I
highly recommend that you get this book and read it for yourself. I’m not
saying that mercury causes MS, but it definitely is an added load on an already
weakened immune system.

We are doing other things to get even more improvement:

sleeping on a magnetic sleep pad (see
http://www.4optimallife.com/Magnetic-Sleep-Pads-For-Health.html)

zapping with the Zapper (see
http://www.4optimallife.com/Zappers-For-Parasite-Elimination.htm)

drinking LOTS of alkaline water (see
http://www.4optimallife.com/Water-Ionizers-Alkalizers.html)

using a rebounder (mini-trampoline) (see
http://www.4optimallife.com/Health-Benefits-of-Rebounding-Exercise.htm and
http://www.healthbounce.com/). I don't jump, but I do what they refer to as the
"health bounce". This gets the lymphatic system moving in order to release
toxins. I keep my feet flat on the mat and just bounce about 20-40 bounces. I
only last about 30 seconds each time. I know my lymph system needs for me to
bounce longer, but I do what I can. Since we weren't sure I could do it at all
Dunc bought an inexpensive one at first. My legs get very tired and my pain
increases somewhat, but I DO IT!!!! I had done water therapy for a couple of
years, which consisted mostly of walking in a swimming pool at a Rehab Center.
I was not thrilled about the chlorinated water, but I think it did me some
good. That's the first exercise I had been able to do since 1984!

We have been using a shower filter for many years now. It removes chlorine from
the water.

I've taken several treatments on the PAP-IMI machine. It's an
electrotherapeutic device (see http://www.papimi.com) that is supposed to help
with pain management. I think it has helped some.

I also had a phone consultation and Emotional Freedom Technique (EFT) with
Kallie Miller (see
http://www.4optimallife.com/Emotional-Freedom-Therapy-For-Phobias-Depression
-Anxiety.htm . It surprised me how much this helped. I am continuing to
experience relief even using these techniques on my own.

We're doing all these things and a few other things. We are getting pretty
aggressive at fighting MS. It must be working because I've been feeling good,
especially the last month or so. I continue to be able to walk farther and
farther! When we go out to eat, I usually walk in provided it's a small
restaurant and not too far to walk. It makes my legs hurt and it makes me
tired, but I DO IT! I can't say specifically which of these things have helped
the most because I'm trying so many different things at once. I think all of
them together are doing some good. My pain has gotten less intense; and when it
does get intense, it doesn't stay that way as long as it used to. Dunc
mentioned the other day that he used to push me in the wheelchair and now he’s
pushing me OUT of the wheelchair!

Heavy detox and nutrition were the basis for my improvements. Any one of these
things that I have done is good, but I believe it takes a combination of a lot
of things to get the results that I have gotten. I would not have been able to
do it without Duncan’s help and support. He has definitely been a godsend to
me, and I count him at the top of my list of blessings!

There are some people (my previous neuro being one, whom by the way I have not
seen since May 1993!!!) who say that I just had a spontaneous remission, that
nothing I’ve done has made any difference. You won’t get me to believe that for
a minute! There is nothing spontaneous about my improvements. It has been hard
work, but well worth the time, effort and expense. Some people will say that I
have no scientific evidence that any of this worked. I personally don’t need
that. I’m living proof that it works! Also medical insurance does not cover any
of these alternatives. That’s ok. I’d rather have the improvements than the
reimbursements!

Once I became convinced that my progress was greatly due to amalgam removal, I
wanted Dunc to get his amalgams out.  At first he didn't want to do that
because it was so expensive and besides he "wasn't sick".  As I continue to
improve, I finally convinced him to get his out before his immune system
crashed like mine did.  Once he did it, his allergies and hay fever cleared
up.   No one can say he had a spontaneous remission!

Please forgive me for such a long post. There was a time when I could not
complete a sentence without losing my train of thought. Now, as you can see,
you can’t shut me up!


Blessings and good health to you all,

Janie McDowell, USA


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#68 From: William Hunsicker <wildarness@...>
Date: Tue May 28, 2002 2:22 pm
Subject: Re: [MS-testimonials] diet coke & MS symptoms
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Marlene,

    I strongly agree with your take on aspartame.
I have been dx'd with ms for 10 years and have been
fortunate enough to remain almost symptom free.  I
have eliminated aspartame and changed my diet and
supplements to something that is reasonably basic,
modestly inexpensive and easy to live with.  I
strongly encourage all those with MS to follow the
medical community and be active in their own
management of the disease.
    I feel a key is identifying allergenic foods and to
be very aware of Candida Albicans.  Maintaining
intestinal health is important.

Bill

--- Espen <groupmaster@...> wrote:
>
> message originally posted at:
> Quackbusters@yahoogroups.com
>
> =================================
> From: "Marlene" <mmacfar@...>
> Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2002 11:30:08 -0300
> Subject: Re: [Quackbusters] Fw: Suspension of
> "Marlene"
> To: Quackbusters@yahoogroups.com
>
>
> Judith,
>
> A neighbor of mine had MS symptoms and they checked
> him for everything and
> nothing showed up.
>
> Someone told him about aspartame and he was drinking
> a lot of diet coke a
> day.
>
> He checked it out on the internet and stopped
> drinking the diet coke and all
> symptoms went away.
>
>
> Just two weeks ago this same experience happened to
> my girlfriend. She got
> numbness and other symptoms. She only drank a small
> amount and it happened.
> She had heard about the connection and stopped
> immediately.
>
>
> This stuff is in everything and most of the public
> is unaware of the
> dangers.
>
> Of course they will defend it just like they defend
> the mercury amalgam
> issue when all the research says otherwise.
> More and more victims everyday and they just laugh
> about it. I do not
> understand this mentality.
>
> To just shirk it off and make fun of people getting
> sick and saying it is
> all in your head,comes from an individual that I
> find hard to comprehend.
> Thank God there are decent people left in this world
> who care about this
> earth and the people in it.
>
> I would hate to think the whole world consisted of
> people like this.
>
> Marlene
>
>
>


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#69 From: "Dudley Delany" <dudley_delany@...>
Date: Mon Mar 24, 2003 12:21 am
Subject: My MS Testimonial
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Hi All!

I am a retired chiropractor, massage therapist, and registered nurse. I
developed multiple sclerosis in 1991 and gradually, over a two year period,
overcame it using an alternative treatment suggested by Edgar Cayce, a man many
regard as the father of modern holistic medicine. It involved diet, massage,
keeping a positive attitude, maintaining a high spiritual ideal, and consistent
use of an imperceptible mode of electrotherapy (vibratory medicine). I wrote a
120 page, illustrated book about my experience. It can be read online without
cost or obligation by visiting

http://members.tripod.com/~dudley_delany/index-114.html

Check it out!

Very sincerely,

Dudley Delany, R.N., M.A., D.C.

http://profiles.yahoo.com/dudley_delany

#70 From: "kotehok1" <kotehok1@...>
Date: Tue May 20, 2003 1:32 pm
Subject: The Healing of Multiple Sclerosis
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Hello everybody,
Here is a great story of a woman who reversed MS!!!!
I hope it gives you inspiration to go on!
If she did it we can do it too, right?
Good luck everyone! Stay healthy!!!
http://www.alternativesmagazine.com/23/albright.html

#71 From: "David Morgan" <mcp_man@...>
Date: Tue Jun 3, 2003 10:57 pm
Subject: Avonex
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I have been given Avonex by my Doctor, he seems upset when I
informed him that I was not going to take it any longer. Avonex
seems to posion my body further than it all ready is I have begun
taking products from a comopany called
Mannatech.com and when I take them I seem to have more energy and
stamana than before. I will continue these and move away from the
Doctors meds. Any one who has MS should go to Mannatechs web site
and watch some of the testimonials on this site, If you go top this
site and need a recogmendation use my name David Morgan

#72 From: "mndelise" <nancymike@...>
Date: Mon Jun 16, 2003 7:47 pm
Subject: colloidal silver cured my MS
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I am a 60 year female who had relapsing remitting since 1962.  In
1995 it changed to secondary progressive.  After that it was downhill
all the way.  By the time I found colloidal silver in 2000 I was
walking with a cane and the outlook was bleak.
It took 2 1/2 years, but it was well worth it.  MS is a virus, and
silver kills virsus.  It's really that simple.
There have been several posts about bee stings.  They work because
there is anti bacterial qualities in bee venom.  Drinking collodal
silver is much easier.
I have a week by week journal of my experiences with CS.  I would
love to send it to anyone who is interested. My email is
www.nancymike@.... It is probably the easiest way to kill the
MS, and there are NO SIDE EFFECTS.  There are no down sides to
Colloidal silver (CS).

#73 From: "Dudley Delany" <dudley_delany@...>
Date: Sun Jun 22, 2003 1:09 am
Subject: Multiple Sclerosis Alternatives
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Hi All!

I am the ringmaster of "Multiple Sclerosis Alternatives," a collection of
websites devoted wholly or in part to alternative approaches to treating
multiple sclerosis. It includes numerous testimonials and a link to this group.
Its URL is

http://i.webring.com/hub?ring=multiplescleros1

Check it out!

With best wishes,

Dudley Delany, R.N., M.A., D.C.

http://profiles.yahoo.com/dudley_delany

#74 From: "mndelise" <nancymike@...>
Date: Mon Jul 21, 2003 3:50 am
Subject: My MS cured with colloidal silver
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Hello,
I am pretty new to this list.  I want to tell you all that I cured my
MS using colloidal silver.  It took about 2 1/2 years, but I have so
bery few symptoms left, it is amazing.  When I began  with the
colloidal silver, I was walking with a cane, and I could not even go
up a step without holding on to support.  I've had MS since 1962, but
was not diagnosed until 1990.  Since 1995 had been going downhill
very quickly.  I was pretty desperate and decided I had nothing to
lose, and everythingto gain.  And let me tell you I did gain
everything.  I have to remind myself how bad I was.  It is truly
amazing, and certainly cheaper and easier then anything else I have
ever heard of.
Nancy DeLise

#75 From: "MarionThanisch" <callisto_11uk@...>
Date: Mon Sep 1, 2003 6:27 pm
Subject: Colloidal Silver?!
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In response to Nancy's message a few days ago - If you're reading
this Nancy, please tell us more! (your email is NOT visible to other
members of this site!)
Many thanks and kind regards
Marion

#76 From: "detoxitall" <detoxitall@...>
Date: Mon Oct 20, 2003 11:18 pm
Subject: Fwd: RE: [DrClarkMSrelief] Surgery schedule (only four years late)
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--- In DrClarkMSrelief@yahoogroups.com, "Teresa Davenport"
<davend@m...> wrote:
I did the liver cleanse this past weekend and what an experience. I
was
so miserable and sick as those stones were moving through my system,
and
the next day. But, Sunday and today I feel like a million bucks. I¡Çm
eager to see if this feeling continues and if my symptoms continue to
improve.

I passed about five large stones about the size of medium-sized
rocks. I
passed about 10-20 of those smaller pea-like stones. I passed a lot
of
¡Èresidue¡É. Anyway, I expected more stones, but I did not expect the
size of those big ones. I can¡Çt believe those were in my little
body.

I¡Çve noticed my mood is soaring high and I haven¡Çt felt any
tinglings
today or yesterday - I know it is still early but I am hopeful. One
thing interesting I¡Çve noticed - I¡Çm sleeping on my stomach again.
I
haven¡Çt slept on my stomach ever since I started having problems.
Interesting.

Teresa





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I just wanted to let it be known that :
October 22nd
If the day of my surgery!
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#77 From: "detoxitall" <detoxitall@...>
Date: Tue Dec 23, 2003 8:42 pm
Subject: The interview finally
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John's Progress

by Susan Witzel

I first met John in April 2001 when he called me for massage
appointment.  He had heard the grapevine that I believed in
alternative healing methods and decided to give me try.  (I practice
Shiatsu and Swedish massage)

When I saw John, he was sitting in his wheelchair with purple feet
the size of footballs and covered with bedsores.  His speech was
almost incomprehensible, and he emitted an odor of death.  He told
me was on several medications, one was chemotherapy.  I asked him
why in the world he was taking chemo and if he had ever anyone with
MS who had benefited from it.  He shrugged the best he was able to.
Although I was taking a legal chance, I knew I could not let John be
an experiment by the medical profession any longer. I told him about
Dr. Hulga Clark's work and my success with it and implored him to
stop chemo immediately.

Although his parents were insistent he follow his doctors advice,
John took a chance.  I urged him to throw it all of his cleaning
agents and personal care products, to use only vinegar, Everclear,
club soda and baking soda  to clean with.  Then I started him on
liver and kidney cleanses and several supplements from the Dr. Clark
Research Association and Self Health Resource Center.  Additionally,
John purchased a Chi Machine to add circulation and aerobic
exercise to his regimen and got a prescription for occupational
therapy and braces for his hands.  Today, John is virtually sore
free and his feet are a healthy pink.  He has been off of chemo
since I began working with him and has stopped taking all of his
other meds except a low dose of Baclofen which he has been taking
orally.  He is in the process of having his Baclofen pump to removed
from his abdomen this September and has been moving his limbs and is
gaining strength in his hands, arms, legs, heart and lungs.  Though
he is better off than he was only 2 1/2 years ago, despite a
prognosis that would only worsen, the medical community seems to
have no interest in his journey back to health.  A threat perhaps?
John is expecting to walk again in the near future and if he
continues his hard work and positive attitude, I believe he will.
Obviously we are strong advocates of Dr. Clark.

Fighting with MS -- an Interview with John Waters
by Sally Gould

Having been diagnosed with Multiple Sclerosis as a teenager, John
Waters, now 35, has long been seeking other philosophies of
healing.  It is to the world of alternative medicine, specifically
to Dr. Hulga Clark's philosophies of healing, that he has turned to
for help in recovering from MS.  Alternative medicine has largely
existed in an uninhabitable and unprovable world.
That is, up until now.
Dr. Clark's philosophy of healing is predicated on the vitality of
the immune system.  The removal of any and all immune barriers
revitalizes the white blood cells and enables the body's immune
system  to defend against the relentless assalt of parasites,
pathogens and toxins.  Fully embracing Dr. Clark's philosophies of
healing, John has embarked upon Dr. Clark's electronic-based
program: Cleanses, plate-zapping, and taking anti-parasite herbs.
Soon, he will be almost magically homeogrphically imprinting
frequencies to take drops to strengthen organs and to restore immune
chemicals.  All of John's work has culminated in exquisite evidence
that he is beginning to heal that he is persuasively offering in his
computer voice command generated interview is imaginative MS
patients and researchers everywhere.

1.: John, can you briefly tell us something about your professional
background?
I graduated with a Bachelor Of Science in finance/economics from
Rutgers University.  I worked at a financial institution for
summer;  then at an insurance company, a week after a I started to
use a cane, I was given a notice of termination.  Litigation to
redress my wrongful termination failed.  I then went to work as a
financial analyst for a law firm, then as a personal financial
assistant for an individual client.  After that, I worked on writing
projects, and eventually started my own firm called Fund Finder
Associates, specializing in writing substance abuse grants.  I did
that for two years, until my disability became too much to handle.
I'm now attempting work at becoming an independent distributor for
what are considered to be multilevel marketing companies (MLM).

Multiple Sclerosis Background

Multiple sclerosis as a chronic debilitating disease of the brain
and central nervous system for which there is no known cause nor
cure.  The average years of diagnosis is between 20-40 years of age,
and 75 percent of those diagnosed are female.  Basically, there are
three classifications of MS: relapsing remaining is when there is an
appearing of acute symptoms or when there is a sudden medical
deterioration.  Secondary progressive MS is classified by a slow, a
gradual and consistent progression of the disease.  Program
progressive MS is characterized by a slower progressive and
temporary "pauses" in the disease.

The symptoms of Multiple Sclerosis can range from the onset of
visual problems, such as  blind spots, circulation problems, sensory
perception and balance/vertigo problems, bladder and bowel problems,
and even auditory problems.  The disease's progression is
unpredictable.  While 5 percent of MS is severely affected, some
patients are scarcely affected at all.  But for most patients, there
is a ticking time bomb inside of them because they do not know what
tomorrow will bring.

  Diagnosis and Treatment

3: How Old Where You When When You Are Diagnosed with MS?

In 1985, I was 17.  I was diagnosed with MS by an MRI, spinal tap,
evoked response, and a CAT scan.

4: how did the symptoms of MS manifests themselves?

Prior to my diagnosis, the prognosis was unknown.  I could have
remained the same for 20 years, or there was a chance that I could
have rapidly and uncontrollably debilitated, immediately
necessitating a wheelchair.

  5: Through these years, what medicines have been prescribed, and
how would you characterize their efficacy?

During my first hospitalization, when I was diagnosed with MS in
1985, I was given methylprednisolone intravenously.  This treating
only the symptoms, and lasted just three years.  Subsequent
hospitalizations in 1988 in 1993 for methylprednisolone IV
treatments calling continued to quiet the symptoms.  During my
second to last hospitalization, I was given ACTH (adrenal
corticothyroid hormone) to help make cortisone.  By 1995, a new
drug, Betaseron, was released.   Betaseron  was specifically
designed for patients with relapsing remitting MS.  The first time I
took Betaseron, I woke up paralyzed.  But I did continue to take
this  medication for two years.  This drug did not  help.  I have
been walking up to this point, but then it became necessary for me
to rely on a wheelchair.  By 1997, the drug Avonex, again
specifically designed for relapsing remitting MS, was released and
was prescribed for me.  My surgery to have a implanted Baclofen Pump
Was Done in November of 1999; Originally, the Objective of the
Baclofen Pump Was to Dispense Baclofen, a Muscle Relaxant.  I
Remained on Avonex until about 1999, When Copaxone came on the
market.  I took Copaxone for two years, but did not help.  Then it
was recommended that I take a combination of both Avonex and
Copaxone.  I took both drugs for two years but again, it did not
help.  I row of options.  I ran out of medications.  I then tried
Imuran, but it gave me serve blisters on my feet , so discontinued
it.  I remained medicine-free for about two years.  In late 2000, I
took Novatrone, which was a stress that was administered once every
three months.  Basically, Novatrone is a chemotherapy agent; this
drug side effect is permanent heart damage.  I took it for only six
months.   I also took Igg (immunogobulin) to help fight infections.

Lifestyles

7: how long have you been confined to a wheelchair?  What have been
your greatest challenges?

I have been confined to a wheelchair for eight years.  My greatest
challenge the acceptance of the fact that I have lost almost ten
years my life.  I'm now 35.  The majority of people my age had
established careers, family, are financially secure and
accomplishments.  But I have had many accomplishments, too
considering all of the adversity I have faced.  I have written three
screenplays, a short story and poetry.  I am currently working on
business endeavors.  And now that I have been doing this program,
with help Dr. Clark, I hope that I will have the opportunity to know
multiple sclerosis patients in this country and throughout the world
in their daily struggle against MS.
Dr. Clark's Program
8: how did you learn about Dr. Clark's program, and when did you did
you embark upon it?

My massage therapist, Susan Witzel, is a member of the Dr. Clark
Research Association.  She introduced me to Dr. Clark and I started
Dr. Clark's program in April of 2001.  I like to thank Susan for
introduced me to Dr. Clark's program and for all of her help and
encouragement during these past two years.

The res toration of the immune system

Dr. Clark's basic philosophy of healing is the only by restoring the
white blood cells'  vitality with the immune system to be able to
fend off parasites, pathogens, and toxins.  The restoration of the
immune system is dependent upon curing three major defects: removing
4 immunity blockers and azo dyes, avoiding food penolics and
restoration of the body's immune chemicals.

9: a removing 4 immunity blockers and azo dyes, PCB's and dental
metals.

A) the 4 immunity blockers, asbestos, benzene, PCB's, and metals
(magnetic ones and Mercury and thallium) all in some fashion inhibit
phagocytosis, the ability of the white blood cells to eat the
enemy.  Azo dyes, in a different way, inhibit lymphocytes of killing
things, such as viruses.  Since the immune blockers and azo dyes may
be in foods, how are you handling food preparation?  Using a food
Zappicator to get rid of traces of the immune blockers?  How are you
avoiding PCBs in soaps?  How are you handling personal items?

In the future, I would like to get a food Zappicator.  I need only
vegetables, chicken and Turkey.  For fruits and vegetables, there is
a great danger in  pesticides.  Therefore, all fruits and vegetables
should be washed thoroughly. I do not eat grapes or strawberries.
Whenever an apple or pear come into play, I always peel the skin.
With regard to peaches, nectarines and plums, I do not eat the skin.

For soap, I use Dr. Clark's olive oil soap.  With regard to all of
your personal care items, throw them all out (shampoo, conditioner,
skin lotions, colognes/perfumes, and etc.)  instead of using skin
lotion, I use pure olive oil mixed with frankincense oil.  Instead
of a deodorant, I use pure cornstarch.  For shaving, I use aloe vera
or shaving gel. I do not  use "commercial" colognes of any type;
cologne may contain up to 600 chemicals.  For people with multiple
sclerosis, our bodies are Ultra-sensitive to chemicals.  Instead, I
recommend using essential oils.

b) dental metals, Mercury and thallium, can be harmful, reach the
spinal cord, and brain.  Have you had your dental metal out?  done
EDTA chelation?  used l-g (lysine-glutamic acid) powder?  Used a
tooth Zappicator?  Any special recipes to get out Mercury?

The dental cleanup is very important to recover.  I had all of the
dental metals removed in 1986, long before I had ever about Dr.
Clark and her emphasis on the removal of all metals from your
mouth.  I had four dental amalgams removed ; in lieu of the metal, I
had composite material placed in the teeth.  In the future, I do
intend to use l-g powder, and I would like to get a tooth zappicator.

c) natural food chemicals, called phenolics, when not detoxified by
the liver due to the presence of parasites, become allergenic, bring
up the part of the immune system called complement c-3.  Complement
c-3 is necessary for the white blood cells' killer action.  are
there any special food phenolics that you avoiding?

With MS, I'm especially worried about the brain.  This is why I am
taking Dr. Clark's Spice Syrup.  The Spice Syrup, among other
things, kills the parasites, Clonorchis and Strongyloids; in the
presence of these parasites, the liver is unable to detoxify the
food phenolics, phloridzin  and chlorogenic acid, may be
respectively attack the pituitary and hypothalamus glands.

d) the body uses its own natural immunity, in the form of immunity
chemicals, such as benzoquinone (bq) and rhodozonic acid (rz) to
kill our large parasites, our flukes, and our roundworms, including
roundworms, including Ascaris  of two kinds, Ascaris-producing
chemicals quench bq and rz.  How and how to  restore him them?  An
electronic message, in the form of homeographic drops, is sent to an
organ to make BQ and Rz.  Are you making and making all-homeographic
drops for specific organs?

I am currently in the process of obtaining all of my homeographic
supplies.  In the near future, I hope to be able to install immune
chemicals , BQ and Rz in my brain and spinal cord.

11 Cleanses  all help your immune system.  Are you doing the kidney
cleanse?   Liver cleanse?   liver herbs?

I do the kidney cleanse round-the-clock.  I do the liver flush every
six weeks.  The parasite cleanse is done every other day.

12.  Are you taking any special foods and/or supplements to help
your immune system?

Every morning, I take taurine.  I also take calcium and magnesium.
I take oregano oil capsules, diluted with olive oil.  Twice a day, I
take frankincense oil under my tongue.  Additionally, I take
octocosanol (which helps to regenerate nerves), soy lecithin, l-
carnitine (in the liquid form), cayenne (for circulation ) , horse
chestnut (again for circulation) , and cod liver oil liver oil.  At
the night, I t ake one teaspoon of olive oil.

  13.  Special considerations for MS

Xylene and Toluene are founded in carbonated beverages.  I don't
drink soft drinks, bottled water or commercial orange juice.  For
fluids, I only drink natural fruit juice or natural sun tea.

b.  Dr. Clark's sites Shigella bacteria is being toxic to be brain.
Are you taking care to avoid Shigella contamination?

  Shigella, which in dairy food is a stomach and the digestive tract
bacteria.  Dr. Clark writes, "Shigella goes to your nervous system.
In all cases of Multiple Sclerosis I had ever seen has had rampant
Shigella."  Dr. Clark instructs us that it two teaspoon dose of
Black Walnut Hull Tincture Extra Strength kills Shigella and and
takes the Black Walnut hulls herbs and all the time when I zap.
The spices, tumeric and fennel will more gradually kill Shigella.
Fennell is in Spice syrup.

Strategies to  Eliminate Organisms: Zapping Strategies

Fasciolopsis buskii, Fasciola, Eurytrema pancriticum and
EchiostIstoma revolution (resting on the neuromuscular joints and
causing ALS).  And only flourish in an MS patient if there are
immune defects.  But if the immune system can't kill an MS patient's
parasites and pathogens?  What then?

The zapper can kill bacteria,  viruses and parasites.  Classical
zapping helps your whole body's immune system, while plate zapping
focuses on the immune system's of individual organ.  Dr. Clark
states "... turning on an electoral (or magnetic?)  Field of the
correct variety gets Phagocytosis started.  Regardless of which
immune blocker is present, the white blood cells can be stimulated
electrically to begin Phagocytosis.

What zapper are you using?  Are you using any special options?  Are
you plate-zapping?

I am zapping about five hours a  day.  I have the super zapper
deluxe with the program driver for Multiple Sclerosis

Yes, I am doing Plate  Zapping..  I am using the slides for the
kidneys, the bladder, the lungs, the composite brain (cerebellum,
cerebrum, and medulla) and the hypothalamus.  I am using I-C Sets ,
to Bestow Right or Left Sides, When Needed.

14.   Do You Begin Each  Zapping Session by Zapping the Basic set?
(the basic set  included blood, lymph fluid, white blood cells, A
group arteries, veins, nerves, right and  left sides, L-group -lymph
v essels, right and left sides, and cerebrospinal fluid)

I am still in the process of learning how to plate zap.  Although I
do zap  using the blood slide, I am waiting for bottle copies of the
lymph, A and L. Groups, WBCs and cerebrospinal fluid which should
arrive on Friday.  Once I get my bottle copies, I will be able to
more comprehensively plate zap.

15.  Which organs are your organs in distress?  How often are you
strategically zapping them?  Any other special zapping?

The Organs That Are in Distress Are Definitely the Bladder/Kidneys,
the Lungs, the Brain and the Liver (Which I Need to Help with My
Bodies Detoxification)

Strategic Zapping?  Thus Far, I Haven't Done Any Special Zapping.
But Am Going to Acquire a Spinal Ganglion and Nerve Slide with
Myelinated Nerve Fibers; Zapping the Myelinated Nerve Fibers Should
Really Help.  Also, Using the Program Driver Should Make a
Difference.

16.  You Already Said That You Zap for about  Five Hours a Day.  How
Often?

How Often?  7 Days a Week.  After 18 Years of Deterioration to My
Body, I Have A Lot Of Work to Do.

  Protective Drops While Zapping

17.  To Prevent detox-illness, protective homeographic drops should
be taken.  Protecting the training kidneys are of Paramount
importance.  Always starting with the kidney drops, the protective
set also includes the hypothalamus gland, the pituitary gland, the
pineal gland and the cerebral spinal fluid.  Next, blood circulation
drops activate the white  blood cells , then the lymph set, followed
by organs affected in MS.  When you get your homeographic supplies,
which organs do you  plan to make drops for?

I was amazed to read in Dr. Clark's new HIV book about how long
biography strengthens your organs.  According to Dr. Clark's book,
after taking homeographic drops supposed to assist your organs.
Apparently, the sick organs are missing some of the frequencies, and
the drops will supply them for time at least .  The

Since Dr. Clark writes that taking homeographic drops activate the
white blood cells as if they had been zapped.  I apply to make the
drops and zap at the same time to achieve a "double zap".  I
definitely the plan to make and take drops for the brain which,
according to Dr. Clark, is symmetrical symmetrical for the right and
left sides.  I also need  to look into drops for the spinal cord.

Anti- Parasite Herbs while Zapping

The anti- parasite herbs, Black Walnut hull, wormwood and cloves
also kill parasites.  Black Walnut hull and wormwood kill adults and
developmental stages of at least 100 parasites.  Cloves kill the
eggs.  If the anti-parasite herbs are taken while zapping, the
released eggs will be immediately killed.   Zapping Should Continue
for At Least One Half-hour after Zapping.  Are You Taking All Three
Herbs While Zapping?  How Many?

I Take All Three Herbs-- Two Pills Each--Every Other Day like
Clockwork When I Zap.  It Is Part of My Daily Ritual of Herbs,
Vitamins,  Zapping and Meditation.

Other Supplements

19.  Any Post-Zapping Debris, Such As Killed Parasites, That Aren't
cleared-away within Four Hours/Five Hours, Will Develop on This
Growth.  That Is Why Digestive Enzymes Must Be Taken to Digest the
Debris Right Away.  What Kind of Digestive Enzymes Do You Take?  How
Many?

After Zapping, I Take Two Pills of Dr. Clark's mixed Digestive
Enzymes.

20.  Dr. Clark Writes, "You Have Many Successfully Removed the Four
phagocytosis inhibitors so that the WBC are filled with (to
capacity) with viruses, bacteria, PCBs and refuse.  But they will
not be able to unload their cargo at the bladder until they have
enough selenite and germanium."  And vitamin C also helps the WBCs.
Are you taking selenium?  Germanium?  In what forms?  Vitamin C?  At
night, do you take ornithine?

I just started taking selenium.  But I don't take geranium powder,
although I do take germanium in the form of hydrangea root in the
kidney cleanse.  I do take vitamin C powder on a daily basis.  At
night, I also take a varying number of ornithine pills to get rid of
the ammonia and help me sleep.

Special Recommendations for MS Patients

21.  Dr. Clark has determined that certain herbs and non-herbal
products go preferentially to certain organs.  Are you taking any
special herbs?

Although it tastes terrible, I like the effects of the Spice Syrup,
white thyme kills Echinostoma revolutum in the cerebrum and spine.
Coriander kills strongyloids in the hypothalamus.  The fennel oil
should help muscle tendon joints and my whole body.  And the clove
oil should keep killing all of the eggs that are released when I am
killing parasites.

Results of Dr. Clark's Program

22.  Subsequent to the embarking on Dr. Clark's program, has there
been in amelioration of your symptoms?

My Baclofen pump, which is going to be removed shortly, has been
dispensing pure saliine for the past year and a half.  Due to the
pump, I developed very severe bedsores all my feet and legs.  My
circulation will also affected in that there was no blood flow to my
lower extremities.  I was also forced to visit the hospital every
week for over  a year for the care of these wounds.  The doctors
that the time realized that there was no pulse in my feet.  It was
never mentioned, but I am sure that an amputation was on their
mind.  Now the bedsores are all healed, and the color my feet is
normal, light pink.

As far as other improvements, my speech has improved dramatically.
My breathing has also increased dramatically.  And my tolerance for
the heat has improved as well.

Overall, the strength in my body has improved, despite being in a
wheelchair for eight years.  There's been a reduction in spasms in
both legs and arms.  Both of my hands have gained strength and are
much more "loose".

The most telling evidence of my improvement is the advent of pain.
I feeling pain in my back, lakes and arms.  The significance of
this  pain is that my muscles have begun to heal, and I am now able
to feel pain.  In fact, I am now feeling pain in the stomach area,
in the proximity of the installation of the Baclofen pump.
Fortunately, I am  soon going to have the pump removed.

Another improvement is that the movement has returned to my left
thumb.  Upon starting Dr. Clark's program, I set a goal to move my
legs by May 1st.  I Moved My Legs by April 30th, 2003.  This Is the
First Time That I Was Able to Move My Legs in 7-8 Years.

23.  What Has Been Your Neurologists Reaction to All of Your
Improvements?

I Think That My Neurologist, Who Happens to Be One of the Leading MS
researchers in the world is very pleased with my progress.  When I
recently went  to visit him, he noticed immediately my
improvements.  He stated "You look wonderful.  Did your speech get
better?"  Two  nurses also said that I looked better.

24.  What have been the results of your medical tests?  Have you
been able to reduce or complete eliminate your medications?

In January, 2002, my MRI report stated that "there's no active
multiple sclerosis in his brain".  Other medical tests include blood
tests from August 2001 up to the present that I have a normal white
cell count.  Considering I have an autoimmune disease, the WBC is
normal.

Are aware of my independent stance in regard to my medical care.  I
have been "medicine free" for two years.  Specifically, this means I
am not taking any of the five go-go medicines that purportedly slow
down to progression of Multiple Sclerosis.  These medicines also
include four injectable medications and a chemotherapy agent. (My
friend just complete in the two-year cycle of the chemotherapy
agent, and it did not help her.) As pure disease stated, my Baclofen
pump has been dispensing pure saline the past.
18 months.  I do take oral Baclofen, which is primarily for muscle
stiffness, but been able to lower my dosage.  I was taking 30
milligrams three times a day.  Now I am only taking 10 milligrams
three times a day.  And my strength is greater.  The last medicine
that take is oral Neurontin, which is also for muscle
weakness/stiffness.  I have been able to reduce this medication from
500 milligrams three times a day to 300 milligrams three times a
day.  I am taking magnesium from 100 milligrams to 300 milligrams
per day; my muscles seem to be of soaring this magnesium for
regeneration and I am feeling his sensations and pain my back and
bladder.

In a few weeks, I am scheduled to have my Baclofen pump removed
surgically.  Since I have improved, I no longer feel that it is
necessary to have such a device in my body.  The pump resembles in
shape a hockey puck; the dimensions are about 3-3 and one-half
inches round metal object that is about 3/4 of an inch thick.  I
have long been worried about having this pump in my body, about the
metal shedding of innumerable toxins and impeding my healing.  Once
the pump is removed, I'm going to work on getting rid of the
residual metal.  My expectation is that the removal of the pump of
all of my detoxification aphids will help hasten my healing.

25.  Have your improved symptoms comply with good test results
giving you great hope for the future?

Do I have hope for the future?  Considering that I should either be
in a nursing home or either dead, I absolutely believe that my
future  is bright!  My symptoms have dissipated, I'm getting good
test results, and I am lowering or totally eliminating my
medications.
I'm also able to  work 45 hours a week, whereas the majority of my
friends with  Multiple  Sclerosis are unable to function because a
majority of my friends are either suffering and/or dying.  Q

26.  What other aspects of Dr. Clark's program do you plan
implemented in the future?

I'll be religiously practicing Dr. Clark's program for the rest my
life. It is obvious that my body is ultra- sensitive to chemical
pollution; therefore, I have no choice.  Then again, if I had not
found Dr. Clark, I would never have had the chance to be able to
attempt to recover from Multiple Sclerosis, and the odds of
developing another neurological disease such as a Alzheimer's
disease would still exist.

What other aspects of the program do intend to incorporate?  I hope
that sometime in the near future I can be Syncrometer tested.  That
way, I will know precisely which organisms and toxins to target.  In
the meantime, I want to work on making Homeographic drops for my
organs-in distress.  I also plan to take  detoxing agents, such as l-
g powder (lysine-glutamic), as soon as my pump is removed to help
with the chelation of residual metal.

Dr. Clark's program is evolving and is a lifelong learning process.
But I am confident that I will eventually adopt all of the other
programs modalities.

27.  What is the timetable for you to walk again?

I have no schedule, but I certainly want to be  to walk as soon  as
possible.  My hope is that I can walk by the end of the year, which
may be a stretch.

  Inspiration for Others with Multiple Sclerosis

  28.  What would you like to impart to MS patients?

The healing gifts that Dr. Clark has given to me are an honor and
have provided me with an opportunity to begin the process of healing
from MS.  The opportunity is to recover-- an opportunity that I
unreservedly  have chosen--is promised upon each MS patient to make
the huge commitment to lead a responsible, disciplined life of
awareness of and respect for ones own body and for the sanctity of
the environment.  Without understanding a complete dedication to
purging our bodies of pathogens and toxins, and helping to rid the
pollution in our environment, we will  not only that our efforts to
recover from MS or any other disease, but we will put in jeopardy
the health of future generations who will be living in a world
blighted with poisons of pollution.

Dr. Clark expouses an awareness of and respect for our bodies  and
our environment in her books.  To help MS patients heal from
Multiple Sclerosis, I recommend that they first read Dr. Clark's
book "The Cure for All Diseases".  After reading this diseases book,
read it again.  Then, read Dr. Clark's book "The Cure for HIV and
AIDS".  The HIV book will give you instructions on how to zap and
plate zap, take anti- parasite herbs, and make and take homeographic
drops.  I  would also like to advise you to join Dr. Clark's groups
on the Internet so that you will  be able to interact with other
people who are doing the program.

But my most important advice to all MS patie nts is to never give up
hope!  Despite years of failed traditional medical treatments.
kept searching for other methods to help me recover.  Dr. Clark's
program loomed of the fog; and breaking therapies can potentially e
the action is an account that the all of us recover from MS.  While
traditional medicine beguiles us with the easy promise that
pharmaceutical pills can heal us from a disease , the true that
matter is that recovery from MS or any disease is difficult.  It is
a formidable  challenge to purge pathogens and toxins from our
bodies and our environment.  But we can do it.  Keep studying and
reading Dr. Clark's books to learn how to do the cleanses, the plate
zapping, and the homeography.  Slowly but surely learned the
program.  It has taken me time, but little by little I learned the
cleanses in different parts of the program.  I started out by
getting rid of toxic personal care items.  That I started to do
plain zapping and the kidney and liver cleanses.  It hasn't been
that long since I started to plate zap.  In the media future I am
learning something new everyday, and gaining more knowledge.  Use me
as an example: I am an improving MS patient who is enthusiastically
and consciously persevering to Dr. Clark's program.

It is back to basics with Dr. Clark program.  I'm going backwards to
do the basics, but I am also going forward towards a brighter future!

Message to MS Researchers/Physicians

While the cause of MS eludes traditional medicine
researchers/physicians, I am currently in the process of proving
that MS is caused by a variety of factors: bacteria, parasites,
chemicals and metals.  I'm hoping that MS researchers/physicians
will say the evidence that I've begun to heal as they search
relentlessly  for methods to help heal MS patients.  Study my
evidence of healing requires that must researchers be open-minded
and courageous as they look beyond the sphere of traditional
medicine to explore the world of alternative medicine.  I ask only
that the scientists be earnest and honest as they carefully examine
all of the improvements that I have  made doing this program and
contemplate its potential.  We MS patients are deserving of such
principled, creative MS researchers/physicians.

29. Do you think that your evidence of healing will serve as an
instrument of more change for visionary MS researchers to conduct an
MS-Clark study?

I do hope that all of Dr. Clark's methods can be ultimately widely
accepted as a safe and viable alternative for multiple sclerosis as
well as other demyelinating/autoimmune diseases.

And do I think that using my recovery as an example to prove do to
Clark's approach to conditions would be good thing?

Absolutely, I do wish that Dr. Clark and her revolutionary
approaches were recognized by the medical community as a sensible,
responsible and reflection of the dedication that she has shown over
the years.  But, the truth of the matter is that money rules
medicine in the United States.  There is no "money" in Dr. Clark's
treatments.  When Dr. Clark can accomplish more in a few years than
pharmaceutical industry can accomplish in 20 years , it shows how
ineffectual pharmaceutical industries are as well as the brilliance
of Dr. Clark.  The Multiple Sclerosis society in the United States
is under the "control" of the pharmaceutical industry.  If you read
the monthly publications, the drug companies advertisements and
sponsorships are grossly represented.

It would be wonderful if Dr. Clark's therapies  were recognized for
their efficacy, and would be an honor to be her "experiment" to
prove that Multiple Sclerosis is preventable, avoidable and
unquestionably reversible!  I have been told several times by
individuals/friends with Multiple Sclerosis that they will believe
me when I walk.  Well, if that's what it takes, then I will walk.

After eight years of not walking, that can be no retreat!  As far as
I am concerned, there is no question as to my treatment direction:
Dr. Clark's program.  Traditional medicine treatments did not meet
my expectations while, in contrast, the results of doing Dr. Clark's
program for the past thirty months have far exceeded my expectations.

For me, to be an absolute dream to head a study using Dr. Clark's
therapies for Multiple Sclerosis.  Again, our society has been so
brainwashed by the medical community and the media that acceptance
would be difficult.  But with this opportunity, I now have to do
this program, I'm simply planning to lead by example.

I plan to lead by example by proving to hundreds of thousands of
people suffering from MS that there is hope that they, too, will
begin to heal from the healing  involves more than taking a pill.
Indeed, sadly, and the MS drugs that are available have no efficacy,
are harmful to the liver and cost $12,000 a year.  The MS patient
must realize that in order to achieve optimum health, a little work
is necessary, particularly in a world  that is unindated with
chemicals and pollution.

I always knew that I would have a huge impact in the world of
Multiple Sclerosis in helping patients.  I will say that what I'm
doing in the manner in which I'm recovering from what has been
considered an incurable disease.  Due to my bodies deterioration of
the past 10  years or so, I am being forced to work "backwards" to
reverse the damage.  As I said, it will not be easy , but I have no
choice.  All of my work will serve as an example for others.  I'll
persevere in the role I've chosen to assume.

In the novel "The Old Man and the Sea ", Earnest Hemingway memorably
writes "A man can be beaten down, but never defeated".  After 18
years plus a dealing with doctors, medicines and hospitals and all
of the negativity surrounding my prognosis, and especially after
nearly two decades of demyelination, one must realize that as long
as the body and mind are strong, anything can be done!  Do not
believe the naysayers: if you want to live your life to the fullest,
never, never give up, and always remember my example.

30.  Finally, you said that it would be a dream to head an MS-Clark
Study.  If you were to head the Study, how would you design it?

"I call people rich who meet the requirements of their imagination."

If I were to head up a MS-Clark Study, I would hope that my evidence
of healing would persuade MS researchers, with moral and scientific
daring, to join the study.  I would design and international to
encourage MS patients who has to the courage and tenacity to an
alternative treatment.  A multiple sclerosis study using Dr. Clark's
therapies would be absolutely groundbreaking.  I do know many
individuals suffering from Multiple Sclerosis and refuse to accept
anything except what the doctors prescribe.  And previously stated,
unfortunately, there aren't any effective medications available
today.  The only medications that are available today simply "slow"
the progression of the disease.

Dr. Clark has given us clues as to what may cause MS.  The solvents
xylene and toluene, seek the brain.  Shigella is the brain seeking
bacteria.  The metals, Mercury and thallium, are neuro-toxic.  There
are food phenolics, phloridzin and chlorogenic acids and
respectively attracted to and attack the pituitary gland and the
hypothalamus.  The immune-compromised brain provides a safe haven
for the large parasites.

The MS-Clark study will test Dr. Clark's MS clues in the brain and
spinal cords of Multiple Sclerosis patients.  Through the years,
various alternative medicine practitioners have advocated that MS
patients remove the harmful Mercury in dental metals.  While this is
a good recommendation, hasn't been any comprehensive study on the
causation of MS.  Using Syncrometer testing, through resonance, we
will test for the universality of parasites, pathogens and toxins in
MS patients.  Research questions are endless: is a any one parasite
found in 100 percent of all MS patients?  In what part of the
brain?  What brain parts are most heavily parasitized?  Is there
build up of food phenolics?  Which ones?  Where?  All this research
information must be carefully compiled and disseminated to MS
patients and researchers worldwide.

Not only has not only has Dr. Clark given us clues as to what causes
MS, she has given us to tools to remove them.  She has taught how to
remove our immunity blockers and azo dyes.  Using electricity, we
can zap and plate zap the brain, spinal cord and other organs in
distress.  Using herbs, we can kill parasites.  Using the new
science of homeography, we can make and take drops to strengthen
parts of the brain, spinal cord and organs in distress and install
immune chemicals in those locations.  We can you can starve the
large parasite, Fasciolopsis Buski.  We will use all of these tools
of healing and sharpen them until they glitter with precision.  I am
rich with imagination that our MS-Clark study can heal MS patients.
It can happen!

*John W. has started a Dr. Clark MS group on the Internet:
DrClarkMSrelief on Yahoo! groups.com

#78 From: "redtruck99" <redtruck99@...>
Date: Tue Jun 15, 2004 6:56 pm
Subject: re: Anyone battling with candida
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I have had amazing improvement in 4 months with low dose naltrexone,
but still trying to beat back candida brought on during 1 yr of chemo
then 5 months of Avonex & steroids. Finally, no more needles!

I'm trying the candida program by Karen Tripp
http://www.geocities.com/HotSprings/4966/index.html

Here is the survey on LDN:
http://home.earthlink.net/~dflomer/LDN/

#79 From: "redtruck99" <redtruck99@...>
Date: Mon Jul 19, 2004 2:16 am
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Go here to take the new survey, and see earlier survey results:

http://home.earthlink.net/~dflomer/LDN/

Thank you to all who took the first survey. It has accomplished a
huge goal - it helped convince my neurologist. He has put a proposal
for the first clinical trial of LDN for MS to their review board at a
major academic center. If a trial begins, it will no longer be so
hard to get scripts. Will let you know when I hear it gets the green
light. And let me know if you come across a researcher who is open to
LDN trials!

If you have MS and have been on LDN for at least 3 months, please
take the new survey. It was designed with input from a researcher
interested in LDN.

Take the survey results to your doctor to help spread awareness. The
first survey of 267 MS people showed a very positive relapse rate, 1
in 5 years.

SammyJo

#80 From: "Dudley Delany" <dudleydelany@...>
Date: Tue Jul 20, 2004 9:45 am
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Hi All!

Nancy Delise suffered with multiple sclerosis for many years until colloidal
silver gave her a new life. You can read her testimony by visiting

http://testimonials.silvermedicine.org/content/ms-cured-argentyn.html

All the best,

Dudley Delany

http://profiles.yahoo.com/dudley_delany

#81 From: "redtruck99" <redtruck99@...>
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SPECIAL NOTICE: LDN CONFERENCE UPDATE

Saturday August 21, 2004

Date and Fee Set for Possible LDN Conference in New York City

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the First Annual LDN Conference that is tentatively scheduled to be
held in New York City in early December 2004 (see
http://www.lowdosenaltrexone.org/events.htm).

In order to specify existing plans for potential attendees, the
meeting date is now noted as Saturday December 4 and the registration
fee as $45.

As mentioned earlier, because of the advance time needed for visitors
to plan travel and room arrangements, it will be decided by
mid-September whether it is feasible to proceed with the detailed
steps required for the December Conference.

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#82 From: "bills944" <fooledbyasmile@...>
Date: Wed Oct 13, 2004 7:30 am
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The Truth About the Drug Companies
By Marcia Angell

Second, the pharmaceutical industry is not especially innovative. As
hard as it is to believe, only a handful of truly important drugs have
been brought to market in recent years, and they were mostly based on
taxpayer-funded research at academic institutions, small biotechnology
companies, or the National Institutes of Health (NIH). The great
majority of "new" drugs are not new at all but merely variations of
older drugs already on the market. These are called "me-too" drugs.
The idea is to grab a share of an established, lucrative market by
producing something very similar to a top-selling drug. For instance,
we now have six statins (Mevacor, Lipitor, Zocor, Pravachol, Lescol,
and the newest, Crestor) on the market to lower cholesterol, all
variants of the first.

http://www.nybooks.com/articles/17244

Every day Americans are subjected to a barrage of advertising by the
pharmaceutical industry. Mixed in with the pitches for a particular
drug—usually featuring beautiful people enjoying themselves in the
great outdoors—is a more general message. Boiled down to its
essentials, it is this: "Yes, prescription drugs are expensive, but
that shows how valuable they are. Besides, our research and
development costs are enormous, and we need to cover them somehow. As
'research-based' companies, we turn out a steady stream of innovative
medicines that lengthen life, enhance its quality, and avert more
expensive medical care. You are the beneficiaries of this ongoing
achievement of the American free enterprise system, so be grateful,
quit whining, and pay up." More prosaically, what the industry is
saying is that you get what you pay for.

Is any of this true? Well, the first part certainly is. Prescription
drug costs are indeed high—and rising fast. Americans now spend a
staggering $200 billion a year on prescription drugs, and that figure
is growing at a rate of about 12 percent a year (down from a high of
18 percent in 1999).[1] Drugs are the fastest-growing part of the
health care bill—which itself is rising at an alarming rate. The
increase in drug spending reflects, in almost equal parts, the facts
that people are taking a lot more drugs than they used to, that those
drugs are more likely to be expensive new ones instead of older,
cheaper ones, and that the prices of the most heavily prescribed drugs
are routinely jacked up, sometimes several times a year.

Before its patent ran out, for example, the price of Schering-Plough's
top-selling allergy pill, Claritin, was raised thirteen times over
five years, for a cumulative increase of more than 50 percent—over
four times the rate of general inflation.[2] As a spokeswoman for one
company explained, "Price increases are not uncommon in the industry
and this allows us to be able to invest in R&D."[3] In 2002, the
average price of the fifty drugs most used by senior citizens was
nearly $1,500 for a year's supply. (Pricing varies greatly, but this
refers to what the companies call the average wholesale price, which
is usually pretty close to what an individual without insurance pays
at the pharmacy.)

Paying for prescription drugs is no longer a problem just for poor
people. As the economy continues to struggle, health insurance is
shrinking. Employers are requiring workers to pay more of the costs
themselves, and many businesses are dropping health benefits
altogether. Since prescription drug costs are rising so fast, payers
are particularly eager to get out from under them by shifting costs to
individuals. The result is that more people have to pay a greater
fraction of their drug bills out of pocket. And that packs a wallop.

Many of them simply can't do it. They trade off drugs against home
heating or food. Some people try to string out their drugs by taking
them less often than prescribed, or sharing them with a spouse.
Others, too embarrassed to admit that they can't afford to pay for
drugs, leave their doctors' offices with prescriptions in hand but
don't have them filled. Not only do these patients go without needed
treatment but their doctors sometimes wrongly conclude that the drugs
they prescribed haven't worked and prescribe yet others—thus
compounding the problem.

The people hurting most are the elderly. When Medicare was enacted in
1965, people took far fewer prescription drugs and they were cheap.
For that reason, no one thought it necessary to include an outpatient
prescription drug benefit in the program. In those days, senior
citizens could generally afford to buy whatever drugs they needed out
of pocket. Approximately half to two thirds of the elderly have
supplementary insurance that partly covers prescription drugs, but
that percentage is dropping as employers and insurers decide it is a
losing proposition for them. At the end of 2003, Congress passed a
Medicare reform bill that included a prescription drug benefit
scheduled to begin in 2006, but as we shall see later, its benefits
are inadequate to begin with and will quickly be overtaken by rising
prices and administrative costs.

For obvious reasons, the elderly tend to need more prescription drugs
than younger people—mainly for chronic conditions like arthritis,
diabetes, high blood pressure, and elevated cholesterol. In 2001,
nearly one in four seniors reported that they skipped doses or did not
fill prescriptions because of the cost. (That fraction is almost
certainly higher now.) Sadly, the frailest are the least likely to
have supplementary insurance. At an average cost of $1,500 a year for
each drug, someone without supplementary insurance who takes six
different prescription drugs—and this is not rare—would have to spend
$9,000 out of pocket. Not many among the old and frail have such deep
pockets.

Furthermore, in one of the more perverse of the pharmaceutical
industry's practices, prices are much higher for precisely the people
who most need the drugs and can least afford them. The industry
charges Medicare recipients without supplementary insurance much more
than it does favored customers, such as large HMOs or the Veterans
Affairs (VA) system. Because the latter buy in bulk, they can bargain
for steep discounts or rebates. People without insurance have no
bargaining power; and so they pay the highest prices.

In the past two years, we have started to see, for the first time, the
beginnings of public resistance to rapacious pricing and other dubious
practices of the pharmaceutical industry. It is mainly because of this
resistance that drug companies are now blanketing us with public
relations messages. And the magic words, repeated over and over like
an incantation, are research, innovation, and American. Research.
Innovation. American. It makes a great story.



But while the rhetoric is stirring, it has very little to do with
reality. First, research and development (R&D) is a relatively small
part of the budgets of the big drug companies—dwarfed by their vast
expenditures on marketing and administration, and smaller even than
profits. In fact, year after year, for over two decades, this industry
has been far and away the most profitable in the United States. (In
2003, for the first time, the industry lost its first-place position,
coming in third, behind "mining, crude oil production," and
"commercial banks.") The prices drug companies charge have little
relationship to the costs of making the drugs and could be cut
dramatically without coming anywhere close to threatening R&D.

Second, the pharmaceutical industry is not especially innovative. As
hard as it is to believe, only a handful of truly important drugs have
been brought to market in recent years, and they were mostly based on
taxpayer-funded research at academic institutions, small biotechnology
companies, or the National Institutes of Health (NIH). The great
majority of "new" drugs are not new at all but merely variations of
older drugs already on the market. These are called "me-too" drugs.
The idea is to grab a share of an established, lucrative market by
producing something very similar to a top-selling drug. For instance,
we now have six statins (Mevacor, Lipitor, Zocor, Pravachol, Lescol,
and the newest, Crestor) on the market to lower cholesterol, all
variants of the first. As Dr. Sharon Levine, associate executive
director of the Kaiser Permanente Medical Group, put it,

     If I'm a manufacturer and I can change one molecule and get
another twenty years of patent rights, and convince physicians to
prescribe and consumers to demand the next form of Prilosec, or weekly
Prozac instead of daily Prozac, just as my patent expires, then why
would I be spending money on a lot less certain endeavor, which is
looking for brand-new drugs?[4]

Third, the industry is hardly a model of American free enterprise. To
be sure, it is free to decide which drugs to develop (me-too drugs
instead of innovative ones, for instance), and it is free to price
them as high as the traffic will bear, but it is utterly dependent on
government-granted monopolies—in the form of patents and Food and Drug
Administration (FDA)–approved exclusive marketing rights. If it is not
particularly innovative in discovering new drugs, it is highly
innovative— and aggressive—in dreaming up ways to extend its monopoly
rights.

And there is nothing peculiarly American about this industry. It is
the very essence of a global enterprise. Roughly half of the largest
drug companies are based in Europe. (The exact count shifts because of
mergers.) In 2002, the top ten were the American companies Pfizer,
Merck, Johnson & Johnson, Bristol-Myers Squibb, and Wyeth (formerly
American Home Products); the British companies GlaxoSmithKline and
AstraZeneca; the Swiss companies Novartis and Roche; and the French
company Aventis (which in 2004 merged with another French company,
Sanafi Synthelabo, putting it in third place).[5] All are much alike
in their operations. All price their drugs much higher here than in
other markets.

Since the United States is the major profit center, it is simply good
public relations for drug companies to pass themselves off as
American, whether they are or not. It is true, however, that some of
the European companies are now locating their R&D operations in the
United States. They claim the reason for this is that we don't
regulate prices, as does much of the rest of the world. But more
likely it is that they want to feed on the unparalleled research
output of American universities and the NIH. In other words, it's not
private enterprise that draws them here but the very opposite—our
publicly sponsored research enterprise.

Over the past two decades the pharmaceutical industry has moved very
far from its original high purpose of discovering and producing useful
new drugs. Now primarily a marketing machine to sell drugs of dubious
benefit, this industry uses its wealth and power to co-opt every
institution that might stand in its way, including the US Congress,
the FDA, academic medical centers, and the medical profession itself.
(Most of its marketing efforts are focused on influencing doctors,
since they must write the prescriptions.)

If prescription drugs were like ordinary consumer goods, all this
might not matter very much. But drugs are different. People depend on
them for their health and even their lives. In the words of Senator
Debbie Stabenow (D-Mich.), "It's not like buying a car or tennis shoes
or peanut butter." People need to know that there are some checks and
balances on this industry, so that its quest for profits doesn't push
every other consideration aside. But there aren't such checks and
balances.
2.

     What does the eight-hundred-pound gorilla do? Anything it wants
to.

What's true of the eight-hundred-pound gorilla is true of the colossus
that is the pharmaceutical industry. It is used to doing pretty much
what it wants to do. The watershed year was 1980. Before then, it was
a good business, but afterward, it was a stupendous one. From 1960 to
1980, prescription drug sales were fairly static as a percent of US
gross domestic product, but from 1980 to 2000, they tripled. They now
stand at more than $200 billion a year.[6] Of the many events that
contributed to the industry's great and good fortune, none had to do
with the quality of the drugs the companies were selling.

The claim that drugs are a $200 billion industry is an understatement.
According to government sources, that is roughly how much Americans
spent on prescription drugs in 2002. That figure refers to direct
consumer purchases at drugstores and mail-order pharmacies (whether
paid for out of pocket or not), and it includes the nearly 25 percent
markup for wholesalers, pharmacists, and other middlemen and
retailers. But it does not include the large amounts spent for drugs
administered in hospitals, nursing homes, or doctors' offices (as is
the case for many cancer drugs). In most analyses, they are allocated
to costs for those facilities.

Drug company revenues (or sales) are a little different, at least as
they are reported in summaries of corporate annual reports. They
usually refer to a company's worldwide sales, including those to
health facilities. But they do not include the revenues of middlemen
and retailers.

Perhaps the most quoted source of statistics on the pharmaceutical
industry, IMS Health, estimated total worldwide sales for prescription
drugs to be about $400 billion in 2002. About half were in the United
States. So the $200 billion colossus is really a $400 billion
megacolossus.

The election of Ronald Reagan in 1980 was perhaps the fundamental
element in the rapid rise of big pharma—the collective name for the
largest drug companies. With the Reagan administration came a strong
pro-business shift not only in government policies but in society at
large. And with the shift, the public attitude toward great wealth
changed. Before then, there was something faintly disreputable about
really big fortunes. You could choose to do well or you could choose
to do good, but most people who had any choice in the matter thought
it difficult to do both. That belief was particularly strong among
scientists and other intellectuals. They could choose to live a
comfortable but not luxurious life in academia, hoping to do exciting
cutting-edge research, or they could "sell out" to industry and do
less important but more remunerative work. Starting in the Reagan
years and continuing through the 1990s, Americans changed their tune.
It became not only reputable to be wealthy, but something close to
virtuous. There were "winners" and there were "losers," and the
winners were rich and deserved to be. The gap between the rich and
poor, which had been narrowing since World War II, suddenly began to
widen again, until today it is a chasm.

The pharmaceutical industry and its CEOs quickly joined the ranks of
the winners as a result of a number of business-friendly government
actions. I won't enumerate all of them, but two are especially
important. Beginning in 1980, Congress enacted a series of laws
designed to speed the translation of tax-supported basic research into
useful new products—a process sometimes referred to as "technology
transfer." The goal was also to improve the position of American-owned
high-tech businesses in world markets.

The most important of these laws is known as the Bayh-Dole Act, after
its chief sponsors, Senator Birch Bayh (D-Ind.) and Senator Robert
Dole (R-Kans.). Bayh-Dole enabled universities and small businesses to
patent discoveries emanating from research sponsored by the National
Institutes of Health, the major distributor of tax dollars for medical
research, and then to grant exclusive licenses to drug companies.
Until then, taxpayer-financed discoveries were in the public domain,
available to any company that wanted to use them. But now
universities, where most NIH-sponsored work is carried out, can patent
and license their discoveries, and charge royalties. Similar
legislation permitted the NIH itself to enter into deals with drug
companies that would directly transfer NIH discoveries to industry.

Bayh-Dole gave a tremendous boost to the nascent biotechnology
industry, as well as to big pharma. Small biotech companies, many of
them founded by university researchers to exploit their discoveries,
proliferated rapidly. They now ring the major academic research
institutions and often carry out the initial phases of drug
development, hoping for lucrative deals with big drug companies that
can market the new drugs. Usually both academic researchers and their
institutions own equity in the biotechnology companies they are
involved with. Thus, when a patent held by a university or a small
biotech company is eventually licensed to a big drug company, all
parties cash in on the public investment in research.

These laws mean that drug companies no longer have to rely on their
own research for new drugs, and few of the large ones do.
Increasingly, they rely on academia, small biotech startup companies,
and the NIH for that.[7] At least a third of drugs marketed by the
major drug companies are now licensed from universities or small
biotech companies, and these tend to be the most innovative ones.[8]
While Bayh-Dole was clearly a bonanza for big pharma and the biotech
industry, whether its enactment was a net benefit to the public is
arguable.

The Reagan years and Bayh-Dole also transformed the ethos of medical
schools and teaching hospitals. These nonprofit institutions started
to see themselves as "partners" of industry, and they became just as
enthusiastic as any entrepreneur about the oppor-tunities to parlay
their discoveries in-to financial gain. Faculty researchers were
encouraged to obtain patents on their work (which were assigned to
their universities), and they shared in the royalties. Many medical
schools and teaching hospitals set up "technology transfer" offices to
help in this activity and capitalize on faculty discoveries. As the
entrepreneurial spirit grew during the 1990s, medical school faculty
entered into other lucrative financial arrangements with drug
companies, as did their parent institutions.

One of the results has been a growing pro-industry bias in medical
research —exactly where such bias doesn't belong. Faculty members who
had earlier contented themselves with what was once referred to as a
"threadbare but genteel" lifestyle began to ask themselves, in the
words of my grandmother, "If you're so smart, why aren't you rich?"
Medical schools and teaching hospitals, for their part, put more
resources into searching for commercial opportunities.

Starting in 1984, with legislation known as the Hatch-Waxman Act,
Congress passed another series of laws that were just as big a bonanza
for the pharmaceutical industry. These laws extended monopoly rights
for brand-name drugs. Exclusivity is the lifeblood of the industry
because it means that no other company may sell the same drug for a
set period. After exclusive marketing rights expire, copies (called
generic drugs) enter the market, and the price usually falls to as
little as 20 percent of what it was.[9] There are two forms of
monopoly rights—patents granted by the US Patent and Trade Office
(USPTO) and exclusivity granted by the FDA. While related, they
operate somewhat independently, almost as backups for each other.
Hatch-Waxman, named for Senator Orrin Hatch (R-Utah) and
Representative Henry Waxman (D-Calif.), was meant mainly to stimulate
the foundering generic industry by short-circuiting some of the FDA
requirements for bringing generic drugs to market. While successful in
doing that, Hatch-Waxman also lengthened the patent life for
brand-name drugs. Since then, industry lawyers have manipulated some
of its provisions to extend patents far longer than the lawmakers
intended.

In the 1990s, Congress enacted other laws that further increased the
patent life of brand-name drugs. Drug companies now employ small
armies of lawyers to milk these laws for all they're worth—and they're
worth a lot. The result is that the effective patent life of
brand-name drugs increased from about eight years in 1980 to about
fourteen years in 2000.[10] For a blockbuster—usually defined as a
drug with sales of over a billion dollars a year (like Lipitor or
Celebrex or Zoloft)—those six years of additional exclusivity are
golden. They can add billions of dollars to sales—enough to buy a lot
of lawyers and have plenty of change left over. No wonder big pharma
will do almost anything to protect exclusive marketing rights, despite
the fact that doing so flies in the face of all its rhetoric about the
free market.

As their profits skyrocketed during the 1980s and 1990s, so did the
political power of drug companies. By 1990, the industry had assumed
its present contours as a business with unprecedented control over its
own fortunes. For example, if it didn't like something about the FDA,
the federal agency that is supposed to regulate the industry, it could
change it through direct pressure or through its friends in Congress.
The top ten drug companies (which included European companies) had
profits of nearly 25 percent of sales in 1990, and except for a dip at
the time of President Bill Clinton's health care reform proposal,
profits as a percentage of sales remained about the same for the next
decade. (Of course, in absolute terms, as sales mounted, so did
profits.) In 2001, the ten American drug companies in the Fortune 500
list (not quite the same as the top ten worldwide, but their profit
margins are much the same) ranked far above all other American
industries in average net return, whether as a percentage of sales
(18.5 percent), of assets (16.3 percent), or of shareholders' equity
(33.2 percent). These are astonishing margins. For comparison, the
median net return for all other industries in the Fortune 500 was only
3.3 percent of sales. Commercial banking, itself no slouch as an
aggressive industry with many friends in high places, was a distant
second, at 13.5 percent of sales.[11]

In 2002, as the economic downturn continued, big pharma showed only a
slight drop in profits—from 18.5 to 17.0 percent of sales. The most
startling fact about 2002 is that the combined profits for the ten
drug companies in the Fortune 500 ($35.9 billion) were more than the
profits for all the other 490 businesses put together ($33.7
billion).[12] In 2003 profits of the Fortune 500 drug companies
dropped to 14.3 percent of sales, still well above the median for all
industries of 4.6 percent for that year. When I say this is a
profitable industry, I mean really profitable. It is difficult to
conceive of how awash in money big pharma is.

Drug industry expenditures for research and development, while large,
were consistently far less than profits. For the top ten companies,
they amounted to only 11 percent of sales in 1990, rising slightly to
14 percent in 2000. The biggest single item in the budget is neither
R&D nor even profits but something usually called "marketing and
administration"—a name that varies slightly from company to company.
In 1990, a staggering 36 percent of sales revenues went into this
category, and that proportion remained about the same for over a
decade.[13] Note that this is two and a half times the expenditures
for R&D.

These figures are drawn from the industry's own annual reports to the
Securities and Exchange Commission (SEC) and to stockholders, but what
actually goes into these categories is not at all clear, because drug
companies hold that information very close to their chests. It is
likely, for instance, that R&D includes many activities most people
would consider marketing, but no one can know for sure. For its part,
"marketing and administration" is a gigantic black box that probably
includes what the industry calls "education," as well as advertising
and promotion, legal costs, and executive salaries—which are whopping.
According to a report by the non-profit group Families USA, the
for-mer chairman and CEO of Bristol-Myers Squibb, Charles A. Heimbold
Jr., made $74,890,918 in 2001, not counting his $76,095,611 worth of
unexercised stock options. The chairman of Wyeth made $40,521,011,
exclusive of his $40,629,459 in stock options. And so on.[14]
3.

If 1980 was a watershed year for the pharmaceutical industry, 2000 may
very well turn out to have been another one—the year things began to
go wrong. As the booming economy of the late 1990s turned sour, many
successful businesses found themselves in trouble. And as tax revenues
dropped, state governments also found themselves in trouble. In one
respect, the pharmaceutical industry is well protected against the
downturn, since it has so much wealth and power. But in another
respect, it is peculiarly vulnerable, since it depends on
employer-sponsored insurance and state-run Medicaid programs for much
of its revenues. When employers and states are in trouble, so is big
pharma.

And sure enough, in just the past couple of years, employers and the
private health insurers with whom they contract have started to push
back against drug costs. Most big managed care plans now bargain for
steep price discounts. Most have also instituted three-tiered coverage
for prescription drugs—full coverage for generic drugs, partial
coverage for useful brand-name drugs, and no coverage for expensive
drugs that offer no added benefit over cheaper ones. These lists of
preferred drugs are called formularies, and they are an increasingly
important method for containing drug costs. Big pharma is feeling the
effects of these measures, although not surprisingly, it has become
adept at manipulating the system—mainly by inducing doctors or health
plans to put expensive, brand-name drugs on formularies.

State governments, too, are looking for ways to cut their drug costs.
Some state legislatures are drafting measures that would permit them
to regulate prescription drug prices for state employees, Medicaid
recipients, and the uninsured. Like managed care plans, they are
creating formularies of preferred drugs. The industry is fighting
these efforts—mainly with its legions of lobbyists and lawyers. It
fought the state of Maine all the way to the US Supreme Court, which
in 2003 upheld Maine's right to bargain with drug companies for lower
prices, while leaving open the details. But that war has just begun,
and it promises to go on for years and get very ugly.

Recently the public has shown signs of being fed up. The fact that
Americans pay much more for prescription drugs than Europeans and
Canadians is now widely known. An estimated one to two million
Americans buy their medicines from Canadian drugstores over the
Internet, despite the fact that in 1987, in response to heavy industry
lobbying, a compliant Congress had made it illegal for anyone other
than manufacturers to import prescription drugs from other
countries.[15] In addition, there is a brisk traffic in bus trips for
people in border states, particularly the elderly, to travel to Canada
or Mexico to buy prescription drugs. Their resentment is palpable, and
they constitute a powerful voter block—a fact not lost on Congress or
state legislatures.

The industry faces other, less familiar problems. It happens that, by
chance, some of the top-selling drugs —with combined sales of around
$35 billion a year—are scheduled to go off patent within a few years
of one another.[16] This drop over the cliff began in 2001, with the
expiration of Eli Lilly's patent on its blockbuster antidepressant
Prozac. In the same year, AstraZeneca lost its patent on Prilosec, the
original "purple pill" for heartburn, which at its peak brought in a
stunning $6 billion a year. Bristol-Myers Squibb lost its best-selling
diabetes drug, Glucophage. The unusual cluster of expirations will
continue for another couple of years. While it represents a huge loss
to the industry as a whole, for some companies it's a disaster.
Schering-Plough's blockbuster allergy drug, Claritin, brought in fully
a third of that company's revenues before its patent expired in
2002.[17] Claritin is now sold over the counter for much less than its
prescription price. So far, the company has been unable to make up for
the loss by trying to switch Claritin users to Clarinex—a drug that is
virtually identical but has the advantage of still being on patent.

Even worse is the fact that there are very few drugs in the pipeline
ready to take the place of blockbusters going off patent. In fact,
that is the biggest problem facing the industry today, and its darkest
secret. All the public relations about innovation is meant to obscure
precisely this fact. The stream of new drugs has slowed to a trickle,
and few of them are innovative in any sense of that word. Instead, the
great majority are variations of oldies but goodies—"me-too" drugs.

Of the seventy-eight drugs approved by the FDA in 2002, only seventeen
contained new active ingredients, and only seven of these were
classified by the FDA as improvements over older drugs. The other
seventy-one drugs approved that year were variations of old drugs or
deemed no better than drugs already on the market. In other words,
they were me-too drugs. Seven of seventy-eight is not much of a yield.
Furthermore, of those seven, not one came from a major US drug
company.[18]

For the first time, in just a few short years, the gigantic
pharmaceutical industry is finding itself in serious difficulty. It is
facing, as one industry spokesman put it, "a perfect storm." To be
sure, profits are still beyond anything most other industries could
hope for, but they have recently fallen, and for some companies they
fell a lot. And that is what matters to investors. Wall Street doesn't
care how high profits are today, only how high they will be tomorrow.
For some companies, stock prices have plummet

#83 From: "redtruck99" <redtruck99@...>
Date: Wed Nov 17, 2004 12:25 am
Subject: FIRST TRIAL OF LDN FOR MS
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An English translation of an LDN trial protocol is available at the
Evers Multiple Sclerosis Clinic in Germany http://www.klinik-dr-
evers.de

This should encourage other researchers to proceed as well, and it
will make it easier for patients seeking LDN prescriptions, now that
a trial has launched.

The protocol calls for a very short duration trial (10 days). Dr. Mir
indicates this is an initial pilot study, to be followed by longer
term studies.

SammyJo
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#84 From: "blackthought40" <armondjenkins@...>
Date: Sun Mar 13, 2005 5:26 pm
Subject: Hello All, I'm New to the Group
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Hello All,

This is my first post here, I believe. I want to tell you a little
about me and what I hope to accomplish. My dad has MS. I'm in the
process of gathering the list of medications that the VA has him on.
He has vertigo at times, little appetite, and I am sure that one
prescription is for stomach acid, which I'm sure should be easier to
deal with. I want some advice or information on the "success stories"
from the peolple who post here. I am working to get him on a more
responsible diet so that he gets proper nutrition and that we remove
any food/food items that would exacerbate his condition. I would
really value your feedback in this area. I would also like to be made
aware of any exercise regimens that I could start him on. He is not in
a wheelchair, and he still drives, so he his MS stage is not as severe
as some others might be, who are confined to wheelchairs. He stays in
the bed usually until around 2-3 in the afternoon, and I can assume
that this is due to muscle discomfort or complications of the disease.
Please help get this newbie on board on some ways that I can assist my
dad in his time of suffering. I've heard mention of colloidal silver -
I don't know exactly what that's about, however I'm open to reliable
information on toxin removals and/or cleanses that have proved
beneficial to you. I thank you in advance.

Armond Jenkins

#85 From: "frenlymeggie" <frenlymeggie@...>
Date: Tue May 31, 2005 10:10 am
Subject: fighting with MS
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hi!!! all i m new to this group. I m 23 yr old and suffering from MS
from past 5 yrs.i m on steroids and my doctor says that i should give
a try to chemotherapy treatment.
well i exercise and do yoga regularly. I guess that helps. i m not in
such a bad shape but i have difficulty in walking and my hands tremble
a lot. According to me diet plays a very important role in MS. can
sumone tell me what kind of diet should i follow?
there is sumthing as natural healing which involves visualizations
about ur body and affected areas. cud sumone tell me more about this?
eagerly waiting for good suggestions and honest replies.:-)

#86 From: "Betty Iams" <betty@...>
Date: Sat Oct 1, 2005 3:04 pm
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I invite all to visit my www.BettysHouseLifeAfterMS.com website.

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Date: Sat Dec 3, 2005 2:54 pm
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Come check out my website www.ginakopera.com

Cheers,

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Date: Sun Mar 5, 2006 9:28 am
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#89 From: "donnalynnlively" <donnalynnlively@...>
Date: Wed Aug 29, 2007 10:48 pm
Subject: Personal MS stories wanted
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Hi, I'd like to introduce myself,

My name is Donna Lively and I have been diagnosed with MS since
1993.
I am an author and I am looking for personal stories from people who
are living with Multiple Sclerosis and/or friends and loved ones of
someone living with MS for a new book.
I'm looking for your story. If you, yourself or friend/loved one is
living with Multiple Sclerosis I want to hear your story. I'm
currently
writing a book called :

We Are Not Alone
True Multiple Sclerosis stories from patients and their loved ones.

This book is dedicated to all who live daily with multiple sclerosis
and
their loved ones who also live their lives care giving and supporting
us.

As you will read, so many of us experience similar paths and issues
with this disease. Not only the physical and emotional aspects but
also the spiritual.

The intent of this book is that these stories will help both the one
suffering from MS as well as their loved ones understand that
although we live in different parts of the world with different
stories
and views WE ARE NOT ALONE in this vast universe.

A portion of proceeds of this book will go to the MS society.

To share your own story for publication in this book, please submit
your story to my e-mail address:

health_thru_herbs@...
Donnalynnlively@...
Health_thru_herbs@...

  or visit my website at :

donnalively.com





Or you can snail mail your story to me:

Donna Lively
PO Box 1921
Winter Park, CO 80486
Attn: MS Story

I look forward to hearing from you and your personal story. If you
do submit a story, please see if your friends or loved ones will also
submit their story. Just be sure that they reference your name to
their story  because I am going to keep each patients story with
their family and loved ones in their own chapter.

If you have further questions, please send me your name with e-mail
and phone number so that I contact you. You can also visit my website
at: donnalively.com to send me your questions or e-mail me.


Donna Lively CHC
PO Box 1921
Winter Park, CO 80482
970-726-2360

www.donnalively.com
www.mynsp.com/health_thru_herbs
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