Jen,
   Thanks!  I've had quite a bit of experience with multis... years ago I used to
hang out in newsgroups, notably alt.sexual.abuse.recovery... (yeah I belonged
there... long story), and there was where I met my first multi friends... also
alt.support.dissociation, and recently I've been sort of lurking there again,
too (was looking for someone I knew back then and found her/them again)... a
real-life friend of mine (male body) who is also a multi lived with me for a
while (another long story)... so I could already "speak the language" even
before I met and fell in love with D... didn't *know* he was multi at first, but
it didn't take long to put the pieces (so to speak) together and figure it out,
I get clues all the time.
   Point is, I meant what I said, I'll be happy to talk to any of you(s) anytime,
so pass the word... I'm disgustingly open-minded!  LOL
   About yahoo messenger, when you're online/available it shows the yellow smiley
face... you won't see mine lit up because I actually use messenger under a
different name, but the alias quietmama2003 is linked to that name, so if you
*were* to message it, I'd receive it... also I stay invisible to cut down on
crap from people I call "wannas" who just troll to see who they can find to
bother.  If you don't USE msgr I don't understand why it shows you as being
online... hmm.  We'll have to explore that sometime, but 1230 am would not be my
time of choice... LOL
   I think I'll try to add you to mine, so don't freak if you get an email from a
different name, I'm using an alias (based on D's name, not mine exactly) on this
group... but I am a real person and I'll let you know it's me.  Fair 'nuff?
   Old dog?  Nah.  As for computer literate, I've been online for over 10 years,
so if there's something you'd like to know more about, ask, if I can't tell you,
I'll find somebody who can.
   Tell me more about Jen, et al... love to hear back from you!

   Take care,
   Lissa


JNSWTHRT@... wrote:
   In a message dated 2/6/2006 5:55:41 PM Pacific Standard Time,
lissagifford@... writes:

> but personally, I'm glad you ARE here, because I'm happy to meet you

Well thanks, Lissa, and the feeling is mutual.  It's a refreshing pleasure to
meet singletons that are supportive and have a genuine interest in us
multiples as human beings, with value and see the benefits that we can bring to
their
lives.

You said you see I have 'messenger'; here's the admission - I don't know
anything about that.  You'll have to clue me in.  Old dog here - not all that
computer literate, but willing to learn.

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> I
> know they've helped ME immensely in the year I've been living with my
> DID (apparently, not diagnosed professionally, but I LIVE with him,
> you know?)

Oh - forgot to ask...do you want to share any of your experience or anything?
  Would like to hear whatever you would feel comfortable sharing.  If not -
that's ok too.

Jen


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In a message dated 2/6/2006 7:36:58 PM Pacific Standard Time,
gw6786@... writes:

> I have been a SO of someone whom has DID and it has been wonderful and then
> turned to disaster.  I can't talk too much tonight, but I have been ripped
> apart by all of this.  I understand now, but it is much too late now.
>

Hi Greg;

Hope I'm not butting in - this was addressed to Lissa - just wanted to say
hello, not be offensive.  I'm sorry about your experience and understand if it's
hard to talk about.  If you want to talk - that's what this group is supposed
to be for, right?  We're here to listen

Jen et al.


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lissagifford@... writes:

> I'm not promoting it INSTEAD of this group, merely pointing out that
> it's there, so I hope no one takes offense that I'm bringing it up,
> but if you're interested in learning more, go to the sosupport group
> and see if they might be something you might want to be a part of.  I
> know they've helped ME immensely in the year I've been living with my
> DID

No offense taken here.  Thanks for the lead.  Am a bit wary - just recently
tried to join 3-4 groups for MPD/DID support and was rejected by three.  Ouch.
Have been in groups for about four years now (minimum) and never a problem,
so don't understand why and a little gunshy.  Still looking for good support -
have little in 3D life, aside from a good therapist - so maybe I'll give it a
shot.  You say multiples are participating there as well as SO's - does that
work well?

Jen


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lissagifford@... writes:

> but personally, I'm glad you ARE here, because I'm happy to meet you

Well thanks, Lissa, and the feeling is mutual.  It's a refreshing pleasure to
meet singletons that are supportive and have a genuine interest in us
multiples as human beings, with value and see the benefits that we can bring to
their
lives.

You said you see I have 'messenger'; here's the admission - I don't know
anything about that.  You'll have to clue me in.  Old dog here - not all that
computer literate, but willing to learn.

Jen


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Lissa,

   Two SSs?  Amazingly, I have not logged onto my Yahoo account until today, to
which I signed on the mpdspouses group in August or so last year.  There was
some activity back then, but like I said, amazingly, there is activity tonight! 
I have been a SO of someone whom has DID and it has been wonderful and then
turned to disaster.  I can't talk too much tonight, but I have been ripped apart
by all of this.  I understand now, but it is much too late now.

   Will tak to you again,

   Greg

lissagifford <lissagifford@...> wrote:

Jen,

Hi!

I guess I should point out, I'm not a moderator or anything... was just
going through my groups and deciding which ones to keep and which ones
to leave, and decided to take a shot at seeing if there WAS any "life"
here before I unsubscribed.  I found some... cool!  LOL

So I can't tell you the focus other than what's in the blurb on the
site's page... in other words, I can't say if you belong here or not,
but personally, I'm glad you ARE here, because I'm happy to meet you!

I see you have messenger... me too... quietmama2003 here, add me if
you'd like, I loooove to chat!  LOL

Not your average singleton (meaning I don't get weirded out by messages
from alters/littles/protectors/etc et al, so bring it on, Jen! hehe)...

Lissa the wordy


> This is the first relevant post I've seen since I joined - glad to
see it.
> What is the focus of this group?  Is this for spouses only?  I'm
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Hey, there IS life here!!

LOL... glad I asked the question that sparked the latest
conversation... maybe I will stick around here a little longer, after
all.

I've looked around this group's site, seen that about half the
members mail is bouncing, and that we've already doubled the number
of posts from last month in One Day!!

And they're actually On Topic, too... Very Cool.

I may get in trouble for what I'm about to say (some groups are funny
about having other groups mentioned), but, I'm on another list
(group) through yahoo, sosupport, that is also for people in
relationships with folks having DID... that list is much more active
than this one has been, is full of really nice, helpful people...
some are SOs like me, some there have DID themselves...

I'm not promoting it INSTEAD of this group, merely pointing out that
it's there, so I hope no one takes offense that I'm bringing it up,
but if you're interested in learning more, go to the sosupport group
and see if they might be something you might want to be a part of.  I
know they've helped ME immensely in the year I've been living with my
DID (apparently, not diagnosed professionally, but I LIVE with him,
you know?) SO, D.

HTH someone... in any case, it's done my heart good to see THIS list
becoming more active again... nice to see you folks here!!

Cheers!!

Take care,
Lissa

The plot thickens...

Hi, Graham!  Nice to meet you.  Wonderful, actually, you being a
psychologist and all, that rocks!

Your comment about the administrator sparked an idea... I just
emailed both the listed moderators, katy and mark, but katy's mail
bounced.

Will let you know if I hear anything from mark... I asked if they had
orphaned the group, and if so, if they'd give it to one of us to run
instead... also told them if they were still interested in being
here, to let us know that, too.

So we'll see... if nothing comes of it, we may have to make a new
group and have everybody interested move there instead.  Or just do
the best we can here as far as putting up with the spam.  The delete
key is your friend... LOL

Take care,
Lissa


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>
> Hi Jen
>
> This is also the first relevant post I have seen for a while as
well. There
> seems to be certain groups that use this forum to promote dating
and sex sites.
> Can't the administrator do something about this? I am not DID but
am very close
> to someone who is. I am a psychologist and would like this forum to
do more to
> assist people who are MPD/DID and their partners.
>
> Graham UK
>

Jen,

Hi!

I guess I should point out, I'm not a moderator or anything... was just
going through my groups and deciding which ones to keep and which ones
to leave, and decided to take a shot at seeing if there WAS any "life"
here before I unsubscribed.  I found some... cool!  LOL

So I can't tell you the focus other than what's in the blurb on the
site's page... in other words, I can't say if you belong here or not,
but personally, I'm glad you ARE here, because I'm happy to meet you!

I see you have messenger... me too... quietmama2003 here, add me if
you'd like, I loooove to chat!  LOL

Not your average singleton (meaning I don't get weirded out by messages
from alters/littles/protectors/etc et al, so bring it on, Jen! hehe)...

Lissa the wordy


> This is the first relevant post I've seen since I joined - glad to
see it.
> What is the focus of this group?  Is this for spouses only?  I'm
multiple - so
> let me know.  Hope to see more activity.  Thanks for posting, Lissa
>
> Jen
>

Aaron,

You won't get invalidation from ME, that's for sure...

My SO D is definitely fragmented enough that *I* think he's DID... he
hasn't had it formally diagnosed... he WAS dx'd with Borderline
Personality Disorder some years back, but honestly, I think that
could have been due to the doctor not knowing him well or not being
familiar with DID, maybe both.  I live with him, I've seen the
others, and I think the doc missed the boat.

Feel like sharing some of your wife's story?  *I* believe... surely
others here do, as well.  If they don't, IMNSHO, they shouldn't BE
here, considering what this group is SUPPOSED to be about.  I'd like
to see more from you... email's welcome if you aren't yet comfortable
with the idea of posting here.

I understand about the "general public" not having much of a clue...
a friend of mine at work had no idea that Dissociative Identity
Disorder was a "synonym" for Multiple Personality Disorder... she had
heard of MPD, but not DID, I mean.  That's probably pretty common.

I'm also somewhat familiar with Tourette's, if that makes any
difference... in college I was in a broadcasting society (not a
sorority or fraternity, but similar) and we did some fundraising for
Tourette's, so at least I have a working knowledge of the condition.
Long time ago, now, but I feel for you, just the same.

Glad you posted!
Lissa


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>
> Hello,
>
> I hear you. Posts here are rare, my hypothesis, as to cause, is
> social-political climate around DID/MPD seams to bring out a
> disproportionate amount of negative behavior in laypersons(general
> public), and clinician.  By disproportionate I mean, compared to
> majority of other diagnosis(s).  I'm an SO w/tourette, my Wife's
> reluctance to be outed causes me pause to post, fearing more
invalidation.
>
> Bread & Roses,
>
> Aaron Gilmore
>

Hi Graham;

Thanks for writing.  No worries about causing fear, it wasn't your doing and
it wasn't serious.

I am encouraged by what you wrote, as it is completely in line with my
thinking and most importantly with my experience in life.  My childhood abuses
were
repressed for decades.  When things first started to surface, about four years
ago or so, it terrified me and caused me to fear I was losing my mind.  I
knew nothing about PTSD, flashbacks, body memory and the like, so I feared
insanity.  I cautiously informed the therapist I was seeing, "I think something
might have happened to me when I was a kid" - type of remark.  He told me to
read
a book on "False Memory Syndrome".  What was trying to surface promptly went
back hiding, so to speak, and it was only after a quick change in doctors and
then nearly another year before bits and pieces started to surface again.
Thank you for sharing your beliefs.

I understand your girlfriend's struggle in believing in her worth.  Is she in
good recovery?  It's hard to have a solid sense of self (no pun intended!)
and good self esteem for many of us with our histories.  It's also hampered by
the societal view and even the majority of the mental health field, in my
opinion.  It helps when one can view multiplicity as more of an asset than
liability.  Does she have a supportive and positive network?  Hope so.  Sounds
like
she's lucky to have you in her corner as well as your clients, with the approach
you described having in your practice.  I'm lucky enough to currently have a
therapist who sees things in the same light.

Feel free to write,

Jen



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Hi Jen

In the UK we have the British False Memory Society who believe that it is not
possible to repress memories of abuse. Some argue that poor therapists place
false memories in client’s minds that something happened to them that in
reality did not happen. Others argue that memories can indeed be repressed. My
research found that there is evidence of repression, more so than in cases of
false memory. My take on this is that repression does happen often. I never
suggest to a client that this or that happened but rather work with what the
client tells me. I believe that when a client shares with me that something
happened then it did. If they later change their mind then I work with that. It
is not for me to decide what is true and what is not. I believe that repression
is a valuable defence mechanism. I am sorry if my email caused you some fear. I
can assure you that I believe in repression and although this can’t be proved
scientifically in my heart I know. False memory can happen but like I said
seems to be less common than repression. It is possible that the False Memory
Societies serve to act as an umbrella for accused and convicted abusers. The
lady that I know who is DID is a friend/girlfriend. I have known her for a few
years and she is a wonderful person. Sometimes she finds that hard to accept
but I know all her personalities and respect and admire them all.

I might write to you and please feel free to write to me if you wish.

Take care.
Graham


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>
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>  What is your position/belief/philosophy on false/repressed memory?
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>
> The rest of your email touched hope inside of me, and believe me, that is a
>
> place that is relatively never touched here.  The idea of sharing ideas and
>
> information with someone who is not multiple, who believes in multiplicity,
> who
>
> has personal familiarity with multiplicity (as with your - is it friend?
> wife?;
>
> current relationship? - wasn't clear; not necessary to disclose, if you don't
>
>
> want to), and also a professional that believes and is seemingly supportive
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> I have not as yet seen a client with DID maybe because so many people are
> not
> aware they have DID. If you would like to write to me personally please feel
> free. Maybe we can share information. No pressure either way

Graham;

Your first sentence about so many people are not aware they have DID is so
very true.  Part of my story as well.  I also believe it takes a very sensitive
therapist who has a level of humility and works to provide a 'client-oriented'
therapeutic relationship, with the necessary amount of safety required to let
these issues come to the surface.

If you would like to write to me personally, you are welcome to do so.  If
you're comfortable with this forum, that's ok too

Jen


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In a message dated 2/6/2006 9:46:03 AM Pacific Standard Time,
graham@... writes:

> My PhD was in
> false/repressed memory and included work on DID

Hi Graham;

I have to admit the above sent excitement and fear through me simultaneously!
  What is your position/belief/philosophy on false/repressed memory?

The rest of your email touched hope inside of me, and believe me, that is a
place that is relatively never touched here.  The idea of sharing ideas and
information with someone who is not multiple, who believes in multiplicity, who
has personal familiarity with multiplicity (as with your - is it friend? wife?;
current relationship? - wasn't clear; not necessary to disclose, if you don't
want to), and also a professional that believes and is seemingly supportive
is attractive, to say the least.

Hope to hear from you and about you soon

Jen


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Hi Jen

I work as a counselling psychologist in private practice. My PhD was in
false/repressed memory and included work on DID. My reasons for studying DID
were because the UK is so behind the times in MPD/DID studies. Many
professionals here refuse to accept that DID is real. A few years ago I met
someone who became very dear to me and that I love deeply and she is DID. So
although I had studied DID I had no qualifications in the subject and had to go
to an American College to qualify. Luckily for me they have a UK office. This
has helped me in my personal relationship and so with personal experience of
DID and my studies I hope to be able to assist people with DID. I will share
that I know in my heart that DID exists and is a reaction/defence mechanism to
extreme trauma. According to my research in 2000 only 25% of abuse survivors
have the creative ability to Dissociate to the level of dissociation that DID
uses. This figure is likely now inaccurate.

I have not as yet seen a client with DID maybe because so many people are not
aware they have DID. If you would like to write to me personally please feel
free. Maybe we can share information. No pressure either way.

Best wishes

Graham


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> graham@... writes:
>
>
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>
> > assist people who are MPD/DID and their partners.
>
>
>
> Hi Graham;
>
>
>
> Nice to meet you.  I agree wholeheartedly with the above statement.  Would
>
> like to hear more of what you have to say.  What type of practice do you
> have? 
>
> What is your experience, perspective, opinion, thoughts, etc. about/around
>
> multiplicity - personally and/or professionally?  Whatever you're comfortable
>
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Hi Aaron;

Interesting hypothesis.  Would like to hear more of your thoughts and
perspectives - or anything else you'd like to share, if anything.

I understand your wife's reluctance; The external issues that go along with
this condition are so complex, living with the internal issues is enough on
it's own - let alone having to deal with the externals.  I'm sure it's hard for
someone in the spouse/SO role as well.

Hope to hear more from you

Jen


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In a message dated 2/6/2006 2:15:38 AM Pacific Standard Time,
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> I am a psychologist and would like this forum to do more to
> assist people who are MPD/DID and their partners.

Hi Graham;

Nice to meet you.  I agree wholeheartedly with the above statement.  Would
like to hear more of what you have to say.  What type of practice do you have?
What is your experience, perspective, opinion, thoughts, etc. about/around
multiplicity - personally and/or professionally?  Whatever you're comfortable
sharing or discussing is welcome here.

Jen



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Hi Jen

This is also the first relevant post I have seen for a while as well. There
seems to be certain groups that use this forum to promote dating and sex sites.
Can't the administrator do something about this? I am not DID but am very close
to someone who is. I am a psychologist and would like this forum to do more to
assist people who are MPD/DID and their partners.

Graham UK

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> so
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> So I take it nobody posts anything relevant to MPD/DID here any more?
>
> About to unsubscribe...
> Lissa
>

This is the first relevant post I've seen since I joined - glad to see it.
What is the focus of this group?  Is this for spouses only?  I'm multiple - so
let me know.  Hope to see more activity.  Thanks for posting, Lissa

Jen


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Hello,

I hear you. Posts here are rare, my hypothesis, as to cause, is
social-political climate around DID/MPD seams to bring out a
disproportionate amount of negative behavior in laypersons(general
public), and clinician.  By disproportionate I mean, compared to
majority of other diagnosis(s).  I'm an SO w/tourette, my Wife's
reluctance to be outed causes me pause to post, fearing more invalidation.

Bread & Roses,

Aaron Gilmore

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So I take it nobody posts anything relevant to MPD/DID here any more?

About to unsubscribe...
Lissa

Deb

Thank you for this disclosure. It was wonderful to read such common sense. I am
a therapist and know someone personally who is DID. I have found that
co-operation is the best way to look at the whole issue of DID. Intergration
can cause such inner conflict that is some cases it can make things harder for
the person with DID.


Thank yoi again.

Graham

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> this is really valid and accurate information from my perspective.
>
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> i am concerned though that people might think because one DID system
>
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>
> kinds of relationships.
>
>
>
> DID is a condition that can co-exist with any other set of values, or
>
> other conditions of illness's, or personlity disorders.
>
>
>
> one who is DID could be a serial killer or a devoted nun, faithful
>
> wife and mother of 10 children, or prostitute.
>
>
>
> each DID must be taken as an individual, and collective soul.  and
>
> relationships within DID systemc can and do change.  a DID life that
>
> was being lived as a raging alcoholic in life behavior can suddenly
>
> cghange and the alcoholisim completely vanish as if it never existed
>
> with increasing awareness within, and in internal changes in decision.
>
>
>
> also when one alter enters a serious relationahip, the other's who
>
> step forward may or may not have anything to do with that
>
> relationship.  they will individually make those decisions, and a lot
>
> may depend on how much internal communication or sharing is going on.
>
>
>
> i have had problems with my ex who said, oh i wish i had someone else
>
> to take over my life when i didn't like things...  and this is just
>
> so much ignorance.  when someone else takes over they do not in any
>
> way take up your life, they take up their own life.  i don't know
>
> anyone who glady hands their life over to a five year old, or a 60
>
> year old person of an opposite gender, just because things get
>
> difficult.  in my view there is nothing to glory in living with this
>
> condition apart from sheer survival.
>
>
>
> i found for myself that over time things do change and internal
>
> relationships do change, and life dicisions can be
>
> profoundly "altered" with these changes in communication and shared
>
> information amonst that many perspectives within.
>
>
>
> both my chioldren are in serious relationships with partners who are
>
> either DID or profoundly dissociated, and as  DID parent this is very
>
> painful for me to watch.  i am very familiar with their experiences
>
> of the pain of sudden rejections, and sudden rages, and then deep
>
> expressions of adoration and dependency.  and trying to raise
>
> children in these environments.. it is agonzing to watch.
>
>
>
> there is excellent therapy available, incredible research has been
>
> done, and we just have a country and a world that is not educated
>
> and/or has no priority to provide for the needs of seriously
>
> struggling DID individuals so their lives can have more peace, more
>
> harmony and more achievement and healthy relationships.
>
>
>
> i find as i come more together within.. the internal suffering is
>
> profoundly increased as lives that have been completely independent
>
> begin to touch, when winds going different directions begine to hurl
>
> against each other.  the result of this work is getting on the same
>
> page within and enjoying fuller living, and fuller relationhsips, and
>
> life more abundantly.
>
>
>
> i do not require integration to experience this, just more co-
>
> operation and understanding within.
>
>
>
> deb
>
>
>
> --- In mpdspouses@yahoogroups.com, "mwb53tx" <wboyd1953@n...> wrote:
>
> > good_master_thor (12:40:06 AM): Hey SGX.......How Ya doing??
>
> > sadistic_guardianx (1:27:12 AM): hey there. sorry didn't see you pop
>
> > up. was in the kitchen.
>
> > good_master_thor (1:27:21 AM): mmm food
>
> > good_master_thor (1:27:48 AM): How's it going?
>
> > sadistic_guardianx (1:28:45 AM): Actually, not food, but opening
>
> > bills, sorting through them, and deciding what needs to be done
>
> while
>
> > I have my two days off.
>
> > good_master_thor (1:28:56 AM): yuck.....hate bills
>
> > sadistic_guardianx (1:29:14 AM): I do all the financial management
>
> > around here.
>
> > good_master_thor (1:29:29 AM): I hate it so I let robin take care of
>
> > it......
>
> > sadistic_guardianx (1:29:51 AM): so what's up? you PM'd me.
>
> > good_master_thor (1:30:04 AM): She said I should........lol
>
> > good_master_thor (1:30:12 AM): Never did say why though....
>
> > sadistic_guardianx (1:30:32 AM): perhaps it had something to do
>
> with mpd?
>
> > good_master_thor (1:31:13 AM): Could be......She told Me last
>
> > night.........I have had 2 close friends with mpd....So I am very
>
> > familiar with it.
>
> > sadistic_guardianx (1:33:27 AM): I never heard of it before I met
>
> her.
>
> > It was some time into our relationship when she herself began to
>
> > suspect that she had it. It didn't take long to realize she did. a
>
> > long story. it's been something she's lived with, without realizing
>
> > it, since she was a very young girl.
>
> > good_master_thor (1:34:09 AM): That happens.....How many of Her
>
> alters
>
> > have you met that you know of?
>
> > sadistic_guardianx (1:37:29 AM): I used to keep a file on my laptop
>
> > documenting the different personalities. I've counted and met about
>
> > 25, one or two of whom don't even know who I am... one even was
>
> > convinced that she lived in Virginia Beach, and that I must have
>
> > kidnapped her. However, there are only a few that I deal with on a
>
> > regular basis. The actual core person is Shelly, a name I gave her.
>
> > she's the one I deal with most of the time. But there are children,
>
> > there is a protectress, there is a controller. very interesting
>
> stuff.
>
> > I believe the one you deal with most of the time is rain.
>
> > good_master_thor (1:38:27 AM): So rain is an alter?? How old is
>
> she??
>
> > She thinks I may have met one called carla also.....
>
> > sadistic_guardianx (1:43:17 AM): well.... you know no one knows her
>
> > better than I, and I also joined several mpd support groups for
>
> > awhile. An alter.... no one in there thinks they're an alter. No one
>
> > in there thinks they have multiple personalities except shelly. Each
>
> > is convinced they are not an alter. And in fact, none of the alters,
>
> > per se, have MPD.... they are not multiple personalities. They are
>
> > single personalities within a greater psyche.... this is "their"
>
> > reality.... rain is an alter. But she's shared a great deal with
>
> > shelly, who must have told you about mpd. carla is the gorean slave.
>
> > rain is the bdsm slave. shelly is a submissive wife. and then
>
> there's
>
> > Amber, or Mistress Amber, the protectress, who I'm sure you've met
>
> > when she gets angry. For each of these personalities, this is
>
> complete
>
> > reality.
>
> > good_master_thor (1:44:59 AM): Nods...yep..Same with My
>
> > friends.......I have sat and talked with 60 year old Men and 4 year
>
> > old lil girls.....Thankfully they would tell Me when they would
>
> switich
>
> > sadistic_guardianx (1:47:17 AM): Yes. Though it is common in DID
>
> (the
>
> > correct name for MPD) to have both male and female personalities,
>
> all
>
> > of Shelly's alters as far as I have met are female. Each has a
>
> unique
>
> > personality. Each has blank spots in memory. Unexplained memory and
>
> > time losses as one personality "goes inside"
>
> > sadistic_guardianx (1:47:22 AM): hmmm.
>
> > sadistic_guardianx (1:47:37 AM): she's telling me, "with Thor
>
> everyone
>
> > gets a chance"
>
> > sadistic_guardianx (1:47:42 AM): Amber is talking now.
>
> > good_master_thor (1:47:57 AM): Is she saying I 'm easy???? LOL
>
> > sadistic_guardianx (1:48:02 AM): no, no.
>
> > sadistic_guardianx (1:48:23 AM): As far as I know, a person with MPD
>
> > has a "system"
>
> > sadistic_guardianx (1:48:51 AM): the system is a compartmentalized
>
> > brain that developed to cope with early life trauma, usually sexual
>
> > trauma.
>
> > sadistic_guardianx (1:49:16 AM): each compartment of the brain has
>
> > it's own memory, likes, dislikes.
>
> > sadistic_guardianx (1:49:47 AM): with some people, as with you,
>
> > there's a general consensus in the system. "they" like you.
>
> > sadistic_guardianx (1:50:00 AM): and so multiple personalities
>
> emerge
>
> > good_master_thor (1:50:00 AM): Gotcha
>
> > sadistic_guardianx (1:50:18 AM): Shelly had two failed marriages
>
> > before me.
>
> > good_master_thor (1:50:19 AM): So others may get a chance to come
>
> out
>
> > and meet Me...
>
> > sadistic_guardianx (1:50:25 AM): both due to mpd, we suppose.
>
> > sadistic_guardianx (1:50:45 AM): Amber, the Protectress and Dominant
>
> > one, will be the one who will argue with you
>
> > good_master_thor (1:50:53 AM): oh goody
>
> > sadistic_guardianx (1:51:10 AM): she is the one I'm learning now,
>
> that
>
> > mainly deals with you
>
> > sadistic_guardianx (1:52:05 AM): my advice to you is don't get
>
> caught
>
> > up in wondering what personalities are there.
>
> > sadistic_guardianx (1:52:18 AM): treat her as a whole person, as
>
> > you've been doing.
>
> > good_master_thor (1:52:52 AM): Nods....only that concerns
>
> Me........I
>
> > don't want to be in a room or pm cussing up a storm and have a lil
>
> one
>
> > pop in and not tell Me...
>
> > sadistic_guardianx (1:54:45 AM): There are three main little ones.
>
> > Each has a name. The main one is melody. She is 9 years old and is
>
> the
>
> > system "spy"... she always says, "no body tells me nothing" but she
>
> > knows everything that's going on with the other personalities. she's
>
> > always there, a mischeivous little spy girl. Then there's two other
>
> > younger girls, less prominent, more childlike.
>
> > sadistic_guardianx (1:55:25 AM): so you might deal with melody
>
> > sometimes. the other little one's don't know how to use a computer.
>
> > sadistic_guardianx (1:55:34 AM): but melody, I'm sure, knows
>
> > everything about you.
>
> > good_master_thor (1:55:40 AM): Trust Me.....they learn....LOL
>
> > sadistic_guardianx (1:56:01 AM): brb... she wants me to fill her
>
> in...
>
> > good_master_thor (1:56:06 AM): kk
>
> > sadistic_guardianx (2:02:22 AM): okay, I'm back.
>
> > good_master_thor (2:02:32 AM): kk
>
> > sadistic_guardianx (2:02:37 AM): I believe her past failed marriages
>
> > were due to mpd.
>
> > sadistic_guardianx (2:02:51 AM): different personalities emerged,
>
> and
>
> > things happened.
>
> > good_master_thor (2:03:00 AM): makes sense.....not alot of people
>
> know
>
> > or understand or even believe in it
>
> > sadistic_guardianx (2:03:19 AM): no one could understand what was
>
> > happening. even she could not understand why the relationships
>
> failed.
>
> > sadistic_guardianx (2:03:29 AM): people would tell her she did
>
> things
>
> > that she did not remember.
>
> > sadistic_guardianx (2:04:02 AM): like the time she threw a lanturn
>
> at
>
> > Randy, and his pants caught on fire. Shelly and rain do not
>
> remember.
>
> > Amber says, "he deserved it."
>
> > good_master_thor (2:04:15 AM): oh great...lol
>
> > sadistic_guardianx (2:06:05 AM): I live with it. Over time I came to
>
> > realize it just wasn't that important. At first I absorbed myself in
>
> > it.... and as time went by I even got depressed... feeling lonely.
>
> But
>
> > I got over that. Each personality has a unique relationship with me.
>
> > And therefore, I also allow "them" to get online, and have online
>
> > relationships without feeling threatened.
>
> > sadistic_guardianx (2:07:28 AM): Mostly I ignore which personality
>
> is
>
> > "out" at the time. I just talk with her like a normal person, and
>
> she
>
> > responds. But sometimes, like just before going to bed, melody comes
>
> > out very distintintly. I know it's melody, because she always calls
>
> > me, "Mister Man"... and becomes very playful.
>
> > good_master_thor (2:07:56 AM): Totally understand......I have read
>
> > alot of the books and case histories on it...but I always treated
>
> each
>
> > just like I would you....each one is a special person....and I
>
> showed
>
> > them that in the way I was around them...lil ones are sooo cute
>
> > sadistic_guardianx (2:11:09 AM): The little ones are the oldest
>
> ones,
>
> > if that makes sense. As far as I can see from my personal
>
> observation
>
> > and what I've learned, each personality emerged at a particular
>
> point
>
> > in life to branch out to deal with a terrible trauma. That's why
>
> it's
>
> > called DID these days, disassociative identity disorder, the correct
>
> > medical term. To deal with a trauma, a person sometimes detaches him
>
> > or herself. Sometimes they create an alternate reality to deal with
>
> > the situation until it's over. Since that works so well, in the
>
> > future, any traumatic situation or really really important situation
>
> > may later spin off another alter. Each alter seems stuck in time, at
>
> > the same age as the age they were originally spawned.
>
> > good_master_thor (2:12:07 AM): nods...yep.....I know I should use
>
> > DID....just stuck with the old habit of mpd...
>
> > sadistic_guardianx (2:14:01 AM): Amber is 16 years old. rain is
>
> > older.... I'm not sure how old. carla is about the same age as
>
> Amber.
>
> > Melody is 9. But behind all of this there is the original person.
>
> > That's Shelly, aka Charlotte Jean Eikmeir, her birthname.
>
> > sadistic_guardianx (2:14:23 AM): correction, Amber is 17.
>
> > sadistic_guardianx (2:14:32 AM): there was a marriage scheduled.
>
> > sadistic_guardianx (2:14:38 AM): two young people were to be wed.
>
> > sadistic_guardianx (2:14:42 AM): people were invited
>
> > sadistic_guardianx (2:14:47 AM): invitations sent
>
> > sadistic_guardianx (2:14:55 AM): hundreds of invitations.
>
> > sadistic_guardianx (2:15:00 AM): a big church wedding.
>
> > sadistic_guardianx (2:15:07 AM): and the guy ran away
>
> > sadistic_guardianx (2:15:19 AM): Amber was born to make the phone
>
> > calls to tell everyone not to come.
>
> > good_master_thor (2:15:56 AM): you mean I may have at one point been
>
> > bitched out by a 17 year old girl??? Great...
>
> > sadistic_guardianx (2:16:51 AM): Well, Amber has an important
>
> position
>
> > in the "system" .... She has become the protectress AND the
>
> > gatekeeper. She decides who may "come out" and who may not.
>
> > good_master_thor (2:17:36 AM): kk....I am used to that.......I was
>
> > very good friends with a Protector..........They have a huge
>
> > responsibility..
>
> > sadistic_guardianx (2:17:37 AM): she has online friends, and online
>
> > subs. I've seen her screen name on her computer. Mistress Rinnah.
>
> > good_master_thor (2:18:28 AM): That is who is supposed to be My
>
> > FC........She is a FW of GOR........Mistress Rinnah.......She is
>
> > signed on and pming with Me as that
>
> > sadistic_guardianx (2:20:43 AM): Amber is a wonderful person... who
>
> > over time - after a very rocky beginning, has developed a great
>
> > relationship with me. Yes, well, now you know about Amber, aka
>
> > Mistress Rinnah. But know for certain, that as far as She's
>
> concerned,
>
> > She is a person all to herself. She is NOT rain. rain is NOT
>
> Mistress
>
> > Rinnah. Nor do either of them necessarily know what the other is
>
> doing
>
> > or saying.
>
> > sadistic_guardianx (2:20:47 AM): honest to goodness.
>
> > good_master_thor (2:21:42 AM): Cool with Me...........I won't worry
>
> > about it unless they decide to bring it up or tell Me
>
> > something.......easier that way
>
> > sadistic_guardianx (2:23:26 AM): ignore it, but if one of them PM's
>
> > you under a name, and it can be at the same time you're having a
>
> > conversation with her under another name, assume another alter wants
>
> > to talk with you and treat her as a completely unique person. All I
>
> > can say about that. When switching happens back and forth like that,
>
> > Shelly winds up with a big headache. Right in the middle of her
>
> > forehead. It's a switching headache.
>
> > sadistic_guardianx (2:24:14 AM): she told me tonight, that she was
>
> > really worried that she'd told you about MPD. she didn't want you to
>
> > disappear.
>
> > good_master_thor (2:24:38 AM): Not a prob......I am used to
>
> > it.......each one is a different person to Me anyway so will not be
>
> a
>
> > problem.....I am not the type to run cause of something like
>
> this....
>
> > sadistic_guardianx (2:24:45 AM): Here's something to think about....
>
> > know about computers?
>
> > good_master_thor (2:24:54 AM): yep
>
> > sadistic_guardianx (2:26:46 AM): Well, the newest computers have a
>
> lot
>
> > of memory and very fast processors, so they can multitask. Older
>
> > computers don't multitask as well. This psychological condition DID
>
> > generally develops in people with exceptional intelligence. They can
>
> > compartmentalize their brain - multitasking personalities. Shelly's
>
> IQ
>
> > is 158.... considered a genius.
>
> > sadistic_guardianx (2:29:21 AM): Hope that helps. Good luck, and
>
> know
>
> > that as far as I'm concerned, I have absolutely no "envy" or feel
>
> she
>
> > is cheating. In fact, as far as some of the girls in that system,
>
> > "swinging" with more than one man is perfectly acceptable.
>
>
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this is really valid and accurate information from my perspective.

i am concerned though that people might think because one DID system
is ok with "swinging" that people might think DIDer's are into those
kinds of relationships.

DID is a condition that can co-exist with any other set of values, or
other conditions of illness's, or personlity disorders.

one who is DID could be a serial killer or a devoted nun, faithful
wife and mother of 10 children, or prostitute.

each DID must be taken as an individual, and collective soul.  and
relationships within DID systemc can and do change.  a DID life that
was being lived as a raging alcoholic in life behavior can suddenly
cghange and the alcoholisim completely vanish as if it never existed
with increasing awareness within, and in internal changes in decision.

also when one alter enters a serious relationahip, the other's who
step forward may or may not have anything to do with that
relationship.  they will individually make those decisions, and a lot
may depend on how much internal communication or sharing is going on.

i have had problems with my ex who said, oh i wish i had someone else
to take over my life when i didn't like things...  and this is just
so much ignorance.  when someone else takes over they do not in any
way take up your life, they take up their own life.  i don't know
anyone who glady hands their life over to a five year old, or a 60
year old person of an opposite gender, just because things get
difficult.  in my view there is nothing to glory in living with this
condition apart from sheer survival.

i found for myself that over time things do change and internal
relationships do change, and life dicisions can be
profoundly "altered" with these changes in communication and shared
information amonst that many perspectives within.

both my chioldren are in serious relationships with partners who are
either DID or profoundly dissociated, and as  DID parent this is very
painful for me to watch.  i am very familiar with their experiences
of the pain of sudden rejections, and sudden rages, and then deep
expressions of adoration and dependency.  and trying to raise
children in these environments.. it is agonzing to watch.

there is excellent therapy available, incredible research has been
done, and we just have a country and a world that is not educated
and/or has no priority to provide for the needs of seriously
struggling DID individuals so their lives can have more peace, more
harmony and more achievement and healthy relationships.

i find as i come more together within.. the internal suffering is
profoundly increased as lives that have been completely independent
begin to touch, when winds going different directions begine to hurl
against each other.  the result of this work is getting on the same
page within and enjoying fuller living, and fuller relationhsips, and
life more abundantly.

i do not require integration to experience this, just more co-
operation and understanding within.

deb

--- In mpdspouses@yahoogroups.com, "mwb53tx" <wboyd1953@n...> wrote:
> good_master_thor (12:40:06 AM): Hey SGX.......How Ya doing??
> sadistic_guardianx (1:27:12 AM): hey there. sorry didn't see you pop
> up. was in the kitchen.
> good_master_thor (1:27:21 AM): mmm food
> good_master_thor (1:27:48 AM): How's it going?
> sadistic_guardianx (1:28:45 AM): Actually, not food, but opening
> bills, sorting through them, and deciding what needs to be done
while
> I have my two days off.
> good_master_thor (1:28:56 AM): yuck.....hate bills
> sadistic_guardianx (1:29:14 AM): I do all the financial management
> around here.
> good_master_thor (1:29:29 AM): I hate it so I let robin take care of
> it......
> sadistic_guardianx (1:29:51 AM): so what's up? you PM'd me.
> good_master_thor (1:30:04 AM): She said I should........lol
> good_master_thor (1:30:12 AM): Never did say why though....
> sadistic_guardianx (1:30:32 AM): perhaps it had something to do
with mpd?
> good_master_thor (1:31:13 AM): Could be......She told Me last
> night.........I have had 2 close friends with mpd....So I am very
> familiar with it.
> sadistic_guardianx (1:33:27 AM): I never heard of it before I met
her.
> It was some time into our relationship when she herself began to
> suspect that she had it. It didn't take long to realize she did. a
> long story. it's been something she's lived with, without realizing
> it, since she was a very young girl.
> good_master_thor (1:34:09 AM): That happens.....How many of Her
alters
> have you met that you know of?
> sadistic_guardianx (1:37:29 AM): I used to keep a file on my laptop
> documenting the different personalities. I've counted and met about
> 25, one or two of whom don't even know who I am... one even was
> convinced that she lived in Virginia Beach, and that I must have
> kidnapped her. However, there are only a few that I deal with on a
> regular basis. The actual core person is Shelly, a name I gave her.
> she's the one I deal with most of the time. But there are children,
> there is a protectress, there is a controller. very interesting
stuff.
> I believe the one you deal with most of the time is rain.
> good_master_thor (1:38:27 AM): So rain is an alter?? How old is
she??
> She thinks I may have met one called carla also.....
> sadistic_guardianx (1:43:17 AM): well.... you know no one knows her
> better than I, and I also joined several mpd support groups for
> awhile. An alter.... no one in there thinks they're an alter. No one
> in there thinks they have multiple personalities except shelly. Each
> is convinced they are not an alter. And in fact, none of the alters,
> per se, have MPD.... they are not multiple personalities. They are
> single personalities within a greater psyche.... this is "their"
> reality.... rain is an alter. But she's shared a great deal with
> shelly, who must have told you about mpd. carla is the gorean slave.
> rain is the bdsm slave. shelly is a submissive wife. and then
there's
> Amber, or Mistress Amber, the protectress, who I'm sure you've met
> when she gets angry. For each of these personalities, this is
complete
> reality.
> good_master_thor (1:44:59 AM): Nods...yep..Same with My
> friends.......I have sat and talked with 60 year old Men and 4 year
> old lil girls.....Thankfully they would tell Me when they would
switich
> sadistic_guardianx (1:47:17 AM): Yes. Though it is common in DID
(the
> correct name for MPD) to have both male and female personalities,
all
> of Shelly's alters as far as I have met are female. Each has a
unique
> personality. Each has blank spots in memory. Unexplained memory and
> time losses as one personality "goes inside"
> sadistic_guardianx (1:47:22 AM): hmmm.
> sadistic_guardianx (1:47:37 AM): she's telling me, "with Thor
everyone
> gets a chance"
> sadistic_guardianx (1:47:42 AM): Amber is talking now.
> good_master_thor (1:47:57 AM): Is she saying I 'm easy???? LOL
> sadistic_guardianx (1:48:02 AM): no, no.
> sadistic_guardianx (1:48:23 AM): As far as I know, a person with MPD
> has a "system"
> sadistic_guardianx (1:48:51 AM): the system is a compartmentalized
> brain that developed to cope with early life trauma, usually sexual
> trauma.
> sadistic_guardianx (1:49:16 AM): each compartment of the brain has
> it's own memory, likes, dislikes.
> sadistic_guardianx (1:49:47 AM): with some people, as with you,
> there's a general consensus in the system. "they" like you.
> sadistic_guardianx (1:50:00 AM): and so multiple personalities
emerge
> good_master_thor (1:50:00 AM): Gotcha
> sadistic_guardianx (1:50:18 AM): Shelly had two failed marriages
> before me.
> good_master_thor (1:50:19 AM): So others may get a chance to come
out
> and meet Me...
> sadistic_guardianx (1:50:25 AM): both due to mpd, we suppose.
> sadistic_guardianx (1:50:45 AM): Amber, the Protectress and Dominant
> one, will be the one who will argue with you
> good_master_thor (1:50:53 AM): oh goody
> sadistic_guardianx (1:51:10 AM): she is the one I'm learning now,
that
> mainly deals with you
> sadistic_guardianx (1:52:05 AM): my advice to you is don't get
caught
> up in wondering what personalities are there.
> sadistic_guardianx (1:52:18 AM): treat her as a whole person, as
> you've been doing.
> good_master_thor (1:52:52 AM): Nods....only that concerns
Me........I
> don't want to be in a room or pm cussing up a storm and have a lil
one
> pop in and not tell Me...
> sadistic_guardianx (1:54:45 AM): There are three main little ones.
> Each has a name. The main one is melody. She is 9 years old and is
the
> system "spy"... she always says, "no body tells me nothing" but she
> knows everything that's going on with the other personalities. she's
> always there, a mischeivous little spy girl. Then there's two other
> younger girls, less prominent, more childlike.
> sadistic_guardianx (1:55:25 AM): so you might deal with melody
> sometimes. the other little one's don't know how to use a computer.
> sadistic_guardianx (1:55:34 AM): but melody, I'm sure, knows
> everything about you.
> good_master_thor (1:55:40 AM): Trust Me.....they learn....LOL
> sadistic_guardianx (1:56:01 AM): brb... she wants me to fill her
in...
> good_master_thor (1:56:06 AM): kk
> sadistic_guardianx (2:02:22 AM): okay, I'm back.
> good_master_thor (2:02:32 AM): kk
> sadistic_guardianx (2:02:37 AM): I believe her past failed marriages
> were due to mpd.
> sadistic_guardianx (2:02:51 AM): different personalities emerged,
and
> things happened.
> good_master_thor (2:03:00 AM): makes sense.....not alot of people
know
> or understand or even believe in it
> sadistic_guardianx (2:03:19 AM): no one could understand what was
> happening. even she could not understand why the relationships
failed.
> sadistic_guardianx (2:03:29 AM): people would tell her she did
things
> that she did not remember.
> sadistic_guardianx (2:04:02 AM): like the time she threw a lanturn
at
> Randy, and his pants caught on fire. Shelly and rain do not
remember.
> Amber says, "he deserved it."
> good_master_thor (2:04:15 AM): oh great...lol
> sadistic_guardianx (2:06:05 AM): I live with it. Over time I came to
> realize it just wasn't that important. At first I absorbed myself in
> it.... and as time went by I even got depressed... feeling lonely.
But
> I got over that. Each personality has a unique relationship with me.
> And therefore, I also allow "them" to get online, and have online
> relationships without feeling threatened.
> sadistic_guardianx (2:07:28 AM): Mostly I ignore which personality
is
> "out" at the time. I just talk with her like a normal person, and
she
> responds. But sometimes, like just before going to bed, melody comes
> out very distintintly. I know it's melody, because she always calls
> me, "Mister Man"... and becomes very playful.
> good_master_thor (2:07:56 AM): Totally understand......I have read
> alot of the books and case histories on it...but I always treated
each
> just like I would you....each one is a special person....and I
showed
> them that in the way I was around them...lil ones are sooo cute
> sadistic_guardianx (2:11:09 AM): The little ones are the oldest
ones,
> if that makes sense. As far as I can see from my personal
observation
> and what I've learned, each personality emerged at a particular
point
> in life to branch out to deal with a terrible trauma. That's why
it's
> called DID these days, disassociative identity disorder, the correct
> medical term. To deal with a trauma, a person sometimes detaches him
> or herself. Sometimes they create an alternate reality to deal with
> the situation until it's over. Since that works so well, in the
> future, any traumatic situation or really really important situation
> may later spin off another alter. Each alter seems stuck in time, at
> the same age as the age they were originally spawned.
> good_master_thor (2:12:07 AM): nods...yep.....I know I should use
> DID....just stuck with the old habit of mpd...
> sadistic_guardianx (2:14:01 AM): Amber is 16 years old. rain is
> older.... I'm not sure how old. carla is about the same age as
Amber.
> Melody is 9. But behind all of this there is the original person.
> That's Shelly, aka Charlotte Jean Eikmeir, her birthname.
> sadistic_guardianx (2:14:23 AM): correction, Amber is 17.
> sadistic_guardianx (2:14:32 AM): there was a marriage scheduled.
> sadistic_guardianx (2:14:38 AM): two young people were to be wed.
> sadistic_guardianx (2:14:42 AM): people were invited
> sadistic_guardianx (2:14:47 AM): invitations sent
> sadistic_guardianx (2:14:55 AM): hundreds of invitations.
> sadistic_guardianx (2:15:00 AM): a big church wedding.
> sadistic_guardianx (2:15:07 AM): and the guy ran away
> sadistic_guardianx (2:15:19 AM): Amber was born to make the phone
> calls to tell everyone not to come.
> good_master_thor (2:15:56 AM): you mean I may have at one point been
> bitched out by a 17 year old girl??? Great...
> sadistic_guardianx (2:16:51 AM): Well, Amber has an important
position
> in the "system" .... She has become the protectress AND the
> gatekeeper. She decides who may "come out" and who may not.
> good_master_thor (2:17:36 AM): kk....I am used to that.......I was
> very good friends with a Protector..........They have a huge
> responsibility..
> sadistic_guardianx (2:17:37 AM): she has online friends, and online
> subs. I've seen her screen name on her computer. Mistress Rinnah.
> good_master_thor (2:18:28 AM): That is who is supposed to be My
> FC........She is a FW of GOR........Mistress Rinnah.......She is
> signed on and pming with Me as that
> sadistic_guardianx (2:20:43 AM): Amber is a wonderful person... who
> over time - after a very rocky beginning, has developed a great
> relationship with me. Yes, well, now you know about Amber, aka
> Mistress Rinnah. But know for certain, that as far as She's
concerned,
> She is a person all to herself. She is NOT rain. rain is NOT
Mistress
> Rinnah. Nor do either of them necessarily know what the other is
doing
> or saying.
> sadistic_guardianx (2:20:47 AM): honest to goodness.
> good_master_thor (2:21:42 AM): Cool with Me...........I won't worry
> about it unless they decide to bring it up or tell Me
> something.......easier that way
> sadistic_guardianx (2:23:26 AM): ignore it, but if one of them PM's
> you under a name, and it can be at the same time you're having a
> conversation with her under another name, assume another alter wants
> to talk with you and treat her as a completely unique person. All I
> can say about that. When switching happens back and forth like that,
> Shelly winds up with a big headache. Right in the middle of her
> forehead. It's a switching headache.
> sadistic_guardianx (2:24:14 AM): she told me tonight, that she was
> really worried that she'd told you about MPD. she didn't want you to
> disappear.
> good_master_thor (2:24:38 AM): Not a prob......I am used to
> it.......each one is a different person to Me anyway so will not be
a
> problem.....I am not the type to run cause of something like
this....
> sadistic_guardianx (2:24:45 AM): Here's something to think about....
> know about computers?
> good_master_thor (2:24:54 AM): yep
> sadistic_guardianx (2:26:46 AM): Well, the newest computers have a
lot
> of memory and very fast processors, so they can multitask. Older
> computers don't multitask as well. This psychological condition DID
> generally develops in people with exceptional intelligence. They can
> compartmentalize their brain - multitasking personalities. Shelly's
IQ
> is 158.... considered a genius.
> sadistic_guardianx (2:29:21 AM): Hope that helps. Good luck, and
know
> that as far as I'm concerned, I have absolutely no "envy" or feel
she
> is cheating. In fact, as far as some of the girls in that system,
> "swinging" with more than one man is perfectly acceptable.

good_master_thor (12:40:06 AM): Hey SGX.......How Ya doing??
sadistic_guardianx (1:27:12 AM): hey there. sorry didn't see you pop
up. was in the kitchen.
good_master_thor (1:27:21 AM): mmm food
good_master_thor (1:27:48 AM): How's it going?
sadistic_guardianx (1:28:45 AM): Actually, not food, but opening
bills, sorting through them, and deciding what needs to be done while
I have my two days off.
good_master_thor (1:28:56 AM): yuck.....hate bills
sadistic_guardianx (1:29:14 AM): I do all the financial management
around here.
good_master_thor (1:29:29 AM): I hate it so I let robin take care of
it......
sadistic_guardianx (1:29:51 AM): so what's up? you PM'd me.
good_master_thor (1:30:04 AM): She said I should........lol
good_master_thor (1:30:12 AM): Never did say why though....
sadistic_guardianx (1:30:32 AM): perhaps it had something to do with mpd?
good_master_thor (1:31:13 AM): Could be......She told Me last
night.........I have had 2 close friends with mpd....So I am very
familiar with it.
sadistic_guardianx (1:33:27 AM): I never heard of it before I met her.
It was some time into our relationship when she herself began to
suspect that she had it. It didn't take long to realize she did. a
long story. it's been something she's lived with, without realizing
it, since she was a very young girl.
good_master_thor (1:34:09 AM): That happens.....How many of Her alters
have you met that you know of?
sadistic_guardianx (1:37:29 AM): I used to keep a file on my laptop
documenting the different personalities. I've counted and met about
25, one or two of whom don't even know who I am... one even was
convinced that she lived in Virginia Beach, and that I must have
kidnapped her. However, there are only a few that I deal with on a
regular basis. The actual core person is Shelly, a name I gave her.
she's the one I deal with most of the time. But there are children,
there is a protectress, there is a controller. very interesting stuff.
I believe the one you deal with most of the time is rain.
good_master_thor (1:38:27 AM): So rain is an alter?? How old is she??
She thinks I may have met one called carla also.....
sadistic_guardianx (1:43:17 AM): well.... you know no one knows her
better than I, and I also joined several mpd support groups for
awhile. An alter.... no one in there thinks they're an alter. No one
in there thinks they have multiple personalities except shelly. Each
is convinced they are not an alter. And in fact, none of the alters,
per se, have MPD.... they are not multiple personalities. They are
single personalities within a greater psyche.... this is "their"
reality.... rain is an alter. But she's shared a great deal with
shelly, who must have told you about mpd. carla is the gorean slave.
rain is the bdsm slave. shelly is a submissive wife. and then there's
Amber, or Mistress Amber, the protectress, who I'm sure you've met
when she gets angry. For each of these personalities, this is complete
reality.
good_master_thor (1:44:59 AM): Nods...yep..Same with My
friends.......I have sat and talked with 60 year old Men and 4 year
old lil girls.....Thankfully they would tell Me when they would switich
sadistic_guardianx (1:47:17 AM): Yes. Though it is common in DID (the
correct name for MPD) to have both male and female personalities, all
of Shelly's alters as far as I have met are female. Each has a unique
personality. Each has blank spots in memory. Unexplained memory and
time losses as one personality "goes inside"
sadistic_guardianx (1:47:22 AM): hmmm.
sadistic_guardianx (1:47:37 AM): she's telling me, "with Thor everyone
gets a chance"
sadistic_guardianx (1:47:42 AM): Amber is talking now.
good_master_thor (1:47:57 AM): Is she saying I 'm easy???? LOL
sadistic_guardianx (1:48:02 AM): no, no.
sadistic_guardianx (1:48:23 AM): As far as I know, a person with MPD
has a "system"
sadistic_guardianx (1:48:51 AM): the system is a compartmentalized
brain that developed to cope with early life trauma, usually sexual
trauma.
sadistic_guardianx (1:49:16 AM): each compartment of the brain has
it's own memory, likes, dislikes.
sadistic_guardianx (1:49:47 AM): with some people, as with you,
there's a general consensus in the system. "they" like you.
sadistic_guardianx (1:50:00 AM): and so multiple personalities emerge
good_master_thor (1:50:00 AM): Gotcha
sadistic_guardianx (1:50:18 AM): Shelly had two failed marriages
before me.
good_master_thor (1:50:19 AM): So others may get a chance to come out
and meet Me...
sadistic_guardianx (1:50:25 AM): both due to mpd, we suppose.
sadistic_guardianx (1:50:45 AM): Amber, the Protectress and Dominant
one, will be the one who will argue with you
good_master_thor (1:50:53 AM): oh goody
sadistic_guardianx (1:51:10 AM): she is the one I'm learning now, that
mainly deals with you
sadistic_guardianx (1:52:05 AM): my advice to you is don't get caught
up in wondering what personalities are there.
sadistic_guardianx (1:52:18 AM): treat her as a whole person, as
you've been doing.
good_master_thor (1:52:52 AM): Nods....only that concerns Me........I
don't want to be in a room or pm cussing up a storm and have a lil one
pop in and not tell Me...
sadistic_guardianx (1:54:45 AM): There are three main little ones.
Each has a name. The main one is melody. She is 9 years old and is the
system "spy"... she always says, "no body tells me nothing" but she
knows everything that's going on with the other personalities. she's
always there, a mischeivous little spy girl. Then there's two other
younger girls, less prominent, more childlike.
sadistic_guardianx (1:55:25 AM): so you might deal with melody
sometimes. the other little one's don't know how to use a computer.
sadistic_guardianx (1:55:34 AM): but melody, I'm sure, knows
everything about you.
good_master_thor (1:55:40 AM): Trust Me.....they learn....LOL
sadistic_guardianx (1:56:01 AM): brb... she wants me to fill her in...
good_master_thor (1:56:06 AM): kk
sadistic_guardianx (2:02:22 AM): okay, I'm back.
good_master_thor (2:02:32 AM): kk
sadistic_guardianx (2:02:37 AM): I believe her past failed marriages
were due to mpd.
sadistic_guardianx (2:02:51 AM): different personalities emerged, and
things happened.
good_master_thor (2:03:00 AM): makes sense.....not alot of people know
or understand or even believe in it
sadistic_guardianx (2:03:19 AM): no one could understand what was
happening. even she could not understand why the relationships failed.
sadistic_guardianx (2:03:29 AM): people would tell her she did things
that she did not remember.
sadistic_guardianx (2:04:02 AM): like the time she threw a lanturn at
Randy, and his pants caught on fire. Shelly and rain do not remember.
Amber says, "he deserved it."
good_master_thor (2:04:15 AM): oh great...lol
sadistic_guardianx (2:06:05 AM): I live with it. Over time I came to
realize it just wasn't that important. At first I absorbed myself in
it.... and as time went by I even got depressed... feeling lonely. But
I got over that. Each personality has a unique relationship with me.
And therefore, I also allow "them" to get online, and have online
relationships without feeling threatened.
sadistic_guardianx (2:07:28 AM): Mostly I ignore which personality is
"out" at the time. I just talk with her like a normal person, and she
responds. But sometimes, like just before going to bed, melody comes
out very distintintly. I know it's melody, because she always calls
me, "Mister Man"... and becomes very playful.
good_master_thor (2:07:56 AM): Totally understand......I have read
alot of the books and case histories on it...but I always treated each
just like I would you....each one is a special person....and I showed
them that in the way I was around them...lil ones are sooo cute
sadistic_guardianx (2:11:09 AM): The little ones are the oldest ones,
if that makes sense. As far as I can see from my personal observation
and what I've learned, each personality emerged at a particular point
in life to branch out to deal with a terrible trauma. That's why it's
called DID these days, disassociative identity disorder, the correct
medical term. To deal with a trauma, a person sometimes detaches him
or herself. Sometimes they create an alternate reality to deal with
the situation until it's over. Since that works so well, in the
future, any traumatic situation or really really important situation
may later spin off another alter. Each alter seems stuck in time, at
the same age as the age they were originally spawned.
good_master_thor (2:12:07 AM): nods...yep.....I know I should use
DID....just stuck with the old habit of mpd...
sadistic_guardianx (2:14:01 AM): Amber is 16 years old. rain is
older.... I'm not sure how old. carla is about the same age as Amber.
Melody is 9. But behind all of this there is the original person.
That's Shelly, aka Charlotte Jean Eikmeir, her birthname.
sadistic_guardianx (2:14:23 AM): correction, Amber is 17.
sadistic_guardianx (2:14:32 AM): there was a marriage scheduled.
sadistic_guardianx (2:14:38 AM): two young people were to be wed.
sadistic_guardianx (2:14:42 AM): people were invited
sadistic_guardianx (2:14:47 AM): invitations sent
sadistic_guardianx (2:14:55 AM): hundreds of invitations.
sadistic_guardianx (2:15:00 AM): a big church wedding.
sadistic_guardianx (2:15:07 AM): and the guy ran away
sadistic_guardianx (2:15:19 AM): Amber was born to make the phone
calls to tell everyone not to come.
good_master_thor (2:15:56 AM): you mean I may have at one point been
bitched out by a 17 year old girl??? Great...
sadistic_guardianx (2:16:51 AM): Well, Amber has an important position
in the "system" .... She has become the protectress AND the
gatekeeper. She decides who may "come out" and who may not.
good_master_thor (2:17:36 AM): kk....I am used to that.......I was
very good friends with a Protector..........They have a huge
responsibility..
sadistic_guardianx (2:17:37 AM): she has online friends, and online
subs. I've seen her screen name on her computer. Mistress Rinnah.
good_master_thor (2:18:28 AM): That is who is supposed to be My
FC........She is a FW of GOR........Mistress Rinnah.......She is
signed on and pming with Me as that
sadistic_guardianx (2:20:43 AM): Amber is a wonderful person... who
over time - after a very rocky beginning, has developed a great
relationship with me. Yes, well, now you know about Amber, aka
Mistress Rinnah. But know for certain, that as far as She's concerned,
She is a person all to herself. She is NOT rain. rain is NOT Mistress
Rinnah. Nor do either of them necessarily know what the other is doing
or saying.
sadistic_guardianx (2:20:47 AM): honest to goodness.
good_master_thor (2:21:42 AM): Cool with Me...........I won't worry
about it unless they decide to bring it up or tell Me
something.......easier that way
sadistic_guardianx (2:23:26 AM): ignore it, but if one of them PM's
you under a name, and it can be at the same time you're having a
conversation with her under another name, assume another alter wants
to talk with you and treat her as a completely unique person. All I
can say about that. When switching happens back and forth like that,
Shelly winds up with a big headache. Right in the middle of her
forehead. It's a switching headache.
sadistic_guardianx (2:24:14 AM): she told me tonight, that she was
really worried that she'd told you about MPD. she didn't want you to
disappear.
good_master_thor (2:24:38 AM): Not a prob......I am used to
it.......each one is a different person to Me anyway so will not be a
problem.....I am not the type to run cause of something like this....
sadistic_guardianx (2:24:45 AM): Here's something to think about....
know about computers?
good_master_thor (2:24:54 AM): yep
sadistic_guardianx (2:26:46 AM): Well, the newest computers have a lot
of memory and very fast processors, so they can multitask. Older
computers don't multitask as well. This psychological condition DID
generally develops in people with exceptional intelligence. They can
compartmentalize their brain - multitasking personalities. Shelly's IQ
is 158.... considered a genius.
sadistic_guardianx (2:29:21 AM): Hope that helps. Good luck, and know
that as far as I'm concerned, I have absolutely no "envy" or feel she
is cheating. In fact, as far as some of the girls in that system,
"swinging" with more than one man is perfectly acceptable.

Dear Red,
   Have you ever thought about going to an nutrientiest? I hear that there much
better than those doctors that only want money from you and don't care about
your health and well-being. You also might want to try genepigging your husband
because that's what the doctors your going to are doing to him any way. It's
better if you and your husband do it than they do it because you and your
husband know more about him than those stupid uppty doctors would any day. So
try it and see. I've been doing it to myself and I have had much better results.

                  Sincerely,
                  Elizabeth

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Date: Mon, 30 May 2005 06:42:26 -0000
From: "redheadbarngoddess"
Subject: Stress

Stress has been giving my husband alot of trouble with his multiples
lately. His therapist dropped him because our insurance didnt pay him
enough. Im not sure where to go right now.




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Stress has been giving my husband alot of trouble with his multiples
lately. His therapist dropped him because our insurance didnt pay him
enough. Im not sure where to go right now.

To anyone who can help,

     My husband and I have been on and off in working things out. Once something
is worked out he tends to unwork it out by making it HIS decision and that's
final. How do I get him to understand that he doesn't have the right to just
unwork things out and decide whenever he feels like it when it come to us? I
love my husband but his personalities seem to be trying to figure out what they
can control in their lives as well as how and when. They seemed to think that if
you just put your mind to it and say it that it is done and you can do whatever
you want and get away with it. What should I do and how can I help myself during
this stage that he's in as well as help my 10 almost 11 month old daughter
through it as well? I need guidance through this process is there anyone in here
that has gone through this process and how did they get through it?
   I do not believe in divorcing someone like this because it isn't something
that they EVER asked to have let alone get. I am willing to work all the way
through this rough and tough process but I need someone's expertese in the field
of this. Will and can anyone, someone help me out?

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Welcome Destiny! My name is Terri. There is a chat room but everytime
I'v been in it it's empty. If you'd like to post a time to get some
people together for a chat I'd be all for it. I work 3rd shift so I'm
avail usually till late at night and very early mornings Central Time.
and I usually sleep from about 6:00 am till about 2:00 or so. Let me
know what time would be good for you. Thanks

--- In mpdspouses@yahoogroups.com, "Destiny aka Deztiny"
<deztiny_24@y...> wrote:
> Im wondering if there is a chat here so we can talk dirrectly to each
> other...? Does any one know?

Im wondering if there is a chat here so we can talk dirrectly to each
other...? Does any one know?

I would like to start participating in the group.
                               Thank Youi
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