>
> [Paul C, this page at the "Danish Research Centre for Organic
> Farming" is not a published peer reviewed paper. While it may
> reflect some research in progress (though no dates are provided
> on the page at all), none of the 11 papers at PubMed authored
> by C Lauridsen (1st of the 5 authors listed) listed between 1995
> and June 2004 is this paper. Until research is peer-reviewed and
> published it is not scientific evidence and therefore should not
> be taken as credible fact. Please in the future, do the work and
> search PubMed for the "paper" that a website claims as "reseach"
> to determine if it has passed the peer-review/publication test.
> If it has not, do not send it to us except with the proviso that
> it is "interesting" *but* not yet published and therefore yet to
> be deemed acceptable as scientific evidence .... **Kitty]

Fine.....this is "interesting" Paulc.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/4153951.stm

[Please do the research at PubMed to see if the scientific studies are in
existence and provide the PMID(s); if they are not, then that is what you are
expected to state. To expect me to follow-up on your "interesting" link is not
according to the posting guidelines.

Paul and I have already in the past recommended range-fed meat products as
opposed to feedlot for the higher levels of CLA and omega-3 fats. Animals kept
unstressed during their lifetimes would be expected to have lower levels of
stress hormones present in their body tissues. A link to the Range Fed portal
site has been on MoreLife for probably 2 years, since I first discovered it. So
this is not an area for which you need to seemingly take issue with us. **Kitty]


RE the tomato study, yes, I had read that and found the corollary
to the study rather odd...given that the results indicated that the
tomatoes did in fact contain higher levels of various nutrients, it
was odd that they did not impact the plasma levels....Paulc

> Some people reading MoreLife are likely quite financially able and
> willing to spend 1.5 to 5 times the cost of conventionally grown
> fruits, vegetables, nuts, etc. for their organic counterparts. Then
> there is also the time involved in many areas to just find fresh
> organic fruits and vegetable at all. Kitty

Well, I do have better luck here in Ottawa. Organic apples at Loblaws
are exactly the same price as regular apples and the organic farmer
delivers to my door for less than 20% premium on non organic. I also
drive to a farm once annually and purchase grass fed beef at a small
premium over what it would cost from the supermarket.You are right
about weighing the cost/benefits...in my case the equation is
simple.Paulc

[Lucky for you! (Except that in our experience Loblaws prices for fruit and
vegetables are always 50% higher than many other good sources already - usually
at least 100% higher than our Kensington Markert sources). As for beef, we eat
almost none. --Paul]


> [Your comment here deserves to be directly addressed. Your
> inference is that Paul's arrangement for supplements for life
> from LEF is unearned ("blessed").

Ah...my meaning was not clear. Such is often the case with written
communication.

[Which is not necessary if one takes the time to write explicitly what one
means. In fact, written communication can easily be made much *clearer* than
verbal communication. **Kitty]


By "blessed" I was making an ironic pun...as an
agnostic I use that term tongue in cheek. What I meant was that it is fortunate
that Paul could manage to receive payment from a company
that could pay in a currency that Paul values.Paulc

[But merely just "fortunate" is not the implication of using the word "blessed",
even for an agnostic or atheist. In any case, in a sane, honest and just world,
one makes one's own fortune. --Paul]


>
>[If you take on this project, we'd certainly be interested in
> hearing what results you obtain in the way of ingested food
> quantities needed to reach the really healthy levels of
> micronutrients (not the same as the RDAs, of course - even for
> those micronutrients that have RDAs). **Kitty]

A good challenge indeed. I will give it some serious thought, though I certainly
agree that I might lose my slim physique and as you point
out, the process becomes counterproductive. My guess is that I will
compromise between the two theories. I entertain the notion that
evolution has created perfect food and man still has a long way to go
in order for science to imitate that formula. Paulc

[What is your definition of "perfect"? If food was perfect then people would
live forever. Nothing "perfect" ever arises through the forces of evolution. The
only things which arise are those that allow the continued propagation of the
gene. There is no evolutionary mechanism for anything else to arise.
What *is* true is that the sciences of the human body have a long way to go
before they adequately explain its full complexity so that the effects of all
ingested chemicals together can be predicted.
--Paul]