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This is to notify all readers that I and Kitty have terminated our PayPal
accounts and can no longer accept transfers to them.
We have taken this action, even though it will undoubtedly incur some hardship
to us, because of PayPal's recent action of denying service to WikiLeaks (if you
don't know about WikiLeaks, just where have you been?).

As I wrote in my comment to PayPal regarding my reason for cancellation:

"Providing a publication site for *any* information can *not* correctly be one
of "any activities that encourage, promote, facilitate or instruct others to
engage in illegal activity" [PayPal's stated reason for its action - see:
https://www.thepaypalblog.com/2010/12/paypal-statement-regarding-wikileaks/].
And besides, the State can and does declare to be "illegal" any action that it
wishes, regardless of whether or not such action is harmful to individual
persons or their property. Therefore, PayPal has clearly capitulated to US
Government pressure (or presumed soon to be made pressure) by its denial of
service to WikiLeaks.

"I will be strongly urging everyone I know to terminate their accounts at
PayPal, unless and until it re-establishes service to WikiLeaks."


Both I and Kitty do strongly urge all MoreLife/SelfSIP readers to also terminate
their PayPal accounts, being sure to give the reason to PayPal, and to report
their actions as widely as possible.

Note that because of Amazon Web Services denial of hosting services to
WikiLeaks, I and Kitty are also trying to terminate our Amazon accounts, but so
far we have found no way to accomplish this.

All fully identified readers are also invited to post comments to this message
or to post other messages regarding this issue.

--Paul Wakfer

[I posted comments on this issue and our account terminations at
readwriteweb.com where this is being highly discussed - mine is #356 :)
http://tinyurl.com/27xyftt **Kitty]



Mon Dec 6, 2010 1:29 am

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This is to notify all readers that I and Kitty have terminated our PayPal accounts and can no longer accept transfers to them. We have taken this action, even...
Paul Wakfer
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Dec 6, 2010
1:58 am

... I do not understand this sentence. Why cannot it be correctly one of any activities? Jack...
Jack42
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Dec 6, 2010
3:59 am

... Hi Jack, Thanks for the question, which gives me a chance to explain the reasoning in more detail. WikiLeaks is essentially an information publishing...
Paul Wakfer
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Dec 6, 2010
5:28 am

[meta Although these readers are not fully identified to us, I and Kitty have chosen to post their response because of its ludicrous statements (to be...
Robert and Irina Camp...
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Dec 6, 2010
4:11 am

... Although these people have been members of MoreLife Yahoo since Aug 13, 2004, and therefore would appear to find some value in what transpires here (not to...
Paul Wakfer
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Dec 6, 2010
6:20 am

When I get my money off PayPal I shall close my account with them and not use them for credit card payments when they are offered as an alternative. Jessie...
Jessie Neagle
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Dec 6, 2010
5:26 am

Moneygram is a possible alternative, as is a check-by-fax or email service. But they would likely succumb to the same pressures as did paypal. Any...
Max Watt
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Dec 6, 2010
6:11 pm

... Thanks for the suggestion. Western Union is also an alternative but they charge very high fees as also do most bank wire transfers, particularly when...
Paul Wakfer
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Dec 7, 2010
1:34 am

... Bitcoin sounds interesting being decentralized from authorities and governments, but I am unclear on how it fully works. Is it a project or are there...
Alton Lindsay Jr.
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Dec 7, 2010
8:28 pm

... By examining the "Trade" page <http://www.bitcoin.org/trade> it can be seen that this currency is in actual use and is acceptable for some goods, services...
Paul Wakfer
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Dec 8, 2010
3:39 am

Here are four more Paypal alternatives I stumbled upon: Venmo <https://venmo.com/> This payment system is fairly new and it uses your cell phone to make...
Alton Lindsay Jr.
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Feb 28, 2011
5:17 pm

Thanks for this follow-up, Alton. I have a couple of comments below, followed by a proposal for you :-) ... This is one for those with cell phones to only...
Paul Wakfer
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Mar 1, 2011
6:21 am

... I got good news about Venmo. I can now register an account and invite others to do the same. Here is the link: https://venmo.com/get-started It looks like...
Alton Lindsay Jr.
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Mar 4, 2011
8:25 pm

... Paul and I do not have cellphones at all and had no problem creating accounts with xipwire.com. We are both linked to our credit union but linking to...
Kitty Antonik Wakfer
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Mar 5, 2011
7:24 pm

[This is a much delayed posting because I wanted to have an answer for Alton, who was notified well within 24 hours of the reason for the delay. **Kitty] ... ...
Alton Lindsay Jr.
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Mar 15, 2011
5:42 am

Here are 2 more alternatives I stumbled upon: Serve.com *U.S. only *Can fund with your bank account *Offers an American Express prepaid card ...
Alton Lindsay Jr.
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Jan 8, 2012
4:53 am

First of all, Wikileaks petition signed. Thanks for pointing that out. eGold has been around for a long time and I've had an account with them for many years....
alexander1924 Offline Send Email Dec 10, 2010
4:13 am

... That is a good use as a place to put excess funds as a hedge against government currency devaluation. It has the advantage of not needing to do a brokerage...
Paul Wakfer
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Dec 20, 2010
6:54 am

... I found a website that has a petition to stop the crackdown on WikiLeaks: http://www.avaaz.org/en/wikileaks_petition/?rc=fb Sigurdur Egill Olafsson [Thanks...
Egill
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Dec 9, 2010
7:30 am

... Here is the petition statement that I and Paul have signed: "We call on you to stop the crackdown on WikiLeaks and its partners immediately. We urge you to...
Kitty Antonik Wakfer
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Dec 9, 2010
8:31 am
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