Hi Chad,

I am very pleased to get your email.
I respond inline below to everything that you say. I am convinced that
such inline and complete response is the hallmark of a forthright
person who wants to be as clear and direct as possible (which
certainly describes me and Kitty). I therefore require this kind of
response method from all correspondents (at least after the first few
rounds of dialog and after it has been explained to the person), or I
simply social preference against that person by refusing to continue
dialog with hir (him/her). However, I am always open to reasoned
argument contrary to this position. (This is stated in more detail in
the policy files section of the Yahoo group MoreLife.)

I note that you have now joined MoreLife Yahoo, so rather than respond
to this email please wait until I have placed it on that group as a
message and then respond there after you have fulfilled the posting
identification requirements of the group.

On 06/09/2009 09:43 PM, Chad Nelson wrote:
> I learned about you through one of the forum posts at www.mises.org
> <http://www.mises.org/> a couple months ago.

I think that I can guess which one, but I would like to know for sure,
please. And even better would be to know what about the post attracted
you to investigate further. This information will be valuable to me
because I am having some difficulty attracting people who are capable
of understanding my ideas and are in sufficient agreement to even wish
to engage me in dialog about them. This is understandable since those
ideas are not part of any currently established and widely known social
model, and one of the major problems with current society is the lack
of truly open minded and analytical people.

> Yesterday, I completed reading your document about social meta-needs.
> I found that your arguments against rights were quite compelling.

Again that's great to hear. When I submitted the Social Meta-Needs
treatise to Libertarian Papers <http://www.LibertarianPapers.org> it
was rejected with the remark from one "reviewer" (I put it in quotes
because the speed of rejection was such that no one could have
actually taken time to study it in detail) that the paper was "just
providing a slightly new and modish vocabulary for the same things
that we all accept".

> What struck me as more surprising, however, was that you are seeking
> to put the ideas of liberty into practise.

I have always been both a theoretician and practical person in many
diverse areas. I don't agree that there is any dichotomy between
theory and practice. If some theory is not practical then it simply is
not a valid theory (one that is true of reality).

> I too am developing a plan to do the exact same thing in (to my
> pleasant surprise) a similar way.
> I have various materials that I can share with you if you are interested.

Yes, I would like to know everything about it. There are far too many
people going off independently in all sorts of directions, and with
most people in current society not knowing how to evaluate, this
greatly weakens the possibility of any one way to attract sufficient
others to get anywhere.

> My plan is to launch a web site by the end of the year that
> facilitates Social Preferencing.

I also want to know precisely what you mean by the phrase "facilitates
Social Preferencing" and how your plans will do that. I sincerely hope
that we can merge our plans into one effort.

> Would you be interested participating in an online meeting with me
> to determine whether it would be beneficial for us to work together?

Absolutely yes! On the MoreLife group Yahoo would be best for me. All
such discussion will be eventually moved to the appropriate wiki
(Valu4Valu.org, OpenLives.net, SelfSIP.org or MoreLife.org) when they
are ready, in order to get more visibility.

> I am most interested in learning more about the following two
> items listed on your site:
>
> * Outline of the Program of Implementation [in progress]

I have written small items about this in several places, but have not
done any comprehensive work, since so far no one has really understood
my work, agreed with it (or got me to change it to be more correct)
and joined me to promote it. As I always state, before one starts to
implement a plan to attain a certain goal (a newly organized society,
in this case) one first needs to know that and how such a goal will be
beneficial (before one begins a journey one needs to know the
destination). Therefore, talk about implementation is a little ways
off, IMO. Nevertheless I do have many ideas already formulated.

> * Self-Sovereign Personal Database Website [planned]

This is already begun as the wiki http://OpenLives.net

> *My Skills:*
> Engineering
> Web Programming
> Enthusiasm

Interesting, These match mine and Kitty's quite well. We are both
Engineering graduates (among other academic areas). I have been
involved with computers off and on for over 35 years. And under the
right circumstances we both have lots of energy and enthusiasm.

> *My Vision:*
> Create a system that permits liberty to flourish anywhere in the universe.

Same here. But not only liberty - more importantly, maximum possible
freedom (in the sense of available actions). See the definitions of
Liberty and Freedom in the Natural Social Contract
<http://selfsip.org/solutions/NSC.html> and their annotations to
understand the difference between Freedom and Liberty (the latter is
merely a prerequisite for maximal Freedom).

> *Location:*
> Winchester, VA
> 703-881-3199
>
> P.S. Where are you located?

Unfortunately you are not close to either of our residences:
May to October inclusive: Harcourt Park Ontario Canada - my legal
residence as a Canadian citizen
November to April inclusive: Casa Grande Arizona USA - Kitty's legal
residence as a US citizen

We sometimes visit people in between during our bi-yearly migration,
but we have rarely been to VA and we refuse to fly, the airport
regulations situation being as it is.


> Chad
> www.downsizedc.org <http://www.downsizedc.org/>

Kitty could not find any sign of you on that web site. How are you
related to downsizedc.org?


--Paul

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