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Here is a petition I created at Care2 to show support of cryonics --
definitely a possible chance at more life, even if it is a small chance,
I hope everyone will take a moment to sign and possibly give a comment:

http://www.thepetitionsite.com/2/preserve-the-right-of-those-who-are-dying-to-
choose-cryonics

[Here is a tiny URL for those who have trouble with the above long URL.
http://tinyurl.com/6qorq6

I am making the following immediate comments, because to not do so
would confuse the reader and suggest that I and Kitty are supportive
of Shannon's project *as it is*.

What Shannon has written at the above URL is hardly a petition (an
earnest request; a formal written request addressed to an official
person or organized body), but rather a description of what cryonics
is, why people choose it, what value it can be and that it does others
no harm. However, it contains several errors of fact and implication,
which greatly lessen its value.

One that I must point out here will make any knowledgeable person
shake hir head and immediately dismiss the intelligence of all
cryonicists. It is the following:

"[Some cryonicists] are environmentalists who ... are happy that no
electricity is used to upkeep their preserved remains (only liquid
nitrogen), and that their carbon footprint is only pennies each year."

Only in the very last paragraph is there any request that anyone do
anything (actually refrain from doing). A petition should always begin
with something like:

"We, the undersigned, hereby request (list names or organizations) to
do or not do (list of requested actions)."

After such a beginning there can be descriptions of the terms used in
the request and presentations of the reasons for granting the request.

However, I disagree that a petition is the correct or best method for
communicating these ideas and gaining the desire effect. Still I
suppose that it is somewhat beneficial for more information promoting
cryonics, of whatever form, to be on the Internet in various places. --Paul]


I will be at Convergence08 this weekend http://www.convergence08.org/ .
I hope to see any of you in the San Francisco area there :-) I'll be
passing out information for the Venturists, CI, Alcor and Immortality
Institute (as well as have some of my books for any of you with young
children you'd like to teach transhumanist ideas to ;-) ). But I always
love to chat about Calorie Restriction, supplements and my views of
exercise as well :-).

Take care,

Health, Happiness, Wisdom & Longevity :-)
-- best wishes from... Austin, Texas

--Shannon Vyff
"21st Century Kids"
http://www.amazon.com/21st-Century-Kids-Shannon-Vyff/dp/1886057001



Wed Nov 12, 2008 3:25 pm

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Here is a petition I created at Care2 to show support of cryonics -- definitely a possible chance at more life, even if it is a small chance, I hope everyone...
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Nov 12, 2008
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... Upon reading the above, quoted statement of yours, Shannon, about cryonicists being environmentalists I became a bit concerned. I don't think that kind of...
Steve Floyd
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Nov 22, 2008
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... Since Shannon made it clear in her original that it was only some cryoncists who were environmentally concerned, her environmentalist argument was not out...
Paul Wakfer
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Dec 6, 2008
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