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ALT-711, ACETYL-L-CARNOSINE, FOR CATARACTS   Message List  
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reposted here with the permission of the original poster (Jessie Neagle)
because of its potential interest to a wider audience. --Paul

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Paul, many months ago, as I remember, you posted a messge about the
use of the above for cataracts.

[I am not sure to which message you are referring nor on which group,
but all messages relating to cataracts can be found by searching this
group and the MoreLife yahoo group - http://groups.yahoo.com/group/morelife -
for the word "cataracts".
--Paul]


I have been using mainly ALT-711 in an effort to reduce a cataract I
have in the right eye. I also have macular degeneration in that sme eye.

[ALT-711 should definitely help, but its systemic use will only be
able to do so much. Cataracts are definitely caused by advanced
glycation and oxidation products formed over many decades. ALT-711
should break some of these up, but the underlying cause of their
formation is still there. Therefore at the most, ALT-711 will reverse
the problem at a low rate (in opposition to their reformation) and
likely take many years to show any major effect. A better way,
with which some experimentation in animals has been done, is to bathe
the eye directly with a solution containing ALT-711. I am about to
experiment on myself with this method, (if I can get up my courage)
for the purposes of reducing presbyopia.

I don't think that macular degeneration is directly related to
glycation, so ALT-711 would likely not help much. However, LEF has a
good protocol about macular degeneration at:
http://www.lef.org/protocols/eye_ear/macular_degeneration_01.htm and
another for cataracts at: http://www.lef.org/protocols/prtcl-030.shtml
--Paul]


A year ago when I visited my GP to be tested for retaining my driver's
licence, was unable to read any of the eyechart with my right eye. My
GP put 6/12 on the medicl report, which I believe is the minimum pass.
He told me to see an eye specialist with a view to having ctaract
surgery, which I did not do. Today I did the test again and could
barely make out the first letter with my right eye. The GP again
passed me with 6/12 but made an appointment with an eye specialist for
me. I do not want cataract surgery for a number of reasons, chief of
which there is additional risk for candidates with short sight such as
mine.

[I agree that if at all possible it is better to fix the problem, or
prevent it from worsening, without surgery. --Paul]


I have been using ALT-711 and occasionally adding acetyl-l-carnosine
(NALC) off and on for about eight months, but continuously for the
past two and a half months. It seemed to me that there was
improvement, but today's eye test suggests I am seeing better perhaps
because we are approaching summer and there is more light.

Have you, or any of the group, had any success with the above
chemicals in reducing ctaracts? - Jessie Neagle


[As I said above, even systemic use of ALT-711 (and also NALC) will
help cataracts, but can only either reduce their rate of formation, or
very slowly correct them. With respect to the eye bath about which I
spoke above, it will also include NALC which has been well tested in
humans for ocular use. In fact, LEF (and others) sell an eye-drop
solution containing NALC. You might want to find a source for that and
try it. I already have been using that most days upon awakening for
about 6 months (Kitty puts in the drops and I lie there with my
face down and eyes lightly closed for a couple of minutes) and I think
my eyesight is a little improved. This evaluation of improvement is
based on the fact that I no longer use my stronger pair of bifocals (I
elected to have two different pairs instead of tri-focals) and can
read almost everything with the bifocal of my weaker pair which is not
the full strength that I was tested (about 2 years ago) as needing for
reading purposes. I will find out for sure when I next get my eyes
formally tested. My hope is that with the use of both NALC and ALT-711
in an eye cup to bathe the whole eye for several minutes (a messy
procedure), the positive effect will be much greater than merely using
the current LEF eye drops and the systemic ALT-711/NALC. --Paul]

[Just to comment briefly on my eyes, I had an optometrist's detailed
exam last week and my change from 2 years previously (with a different
optometrist with less sophisticated equipment) was only very slightly
worse, not enough to warrant any change in my glasses (used only for
driving & very close work). I have very pretty color copies of the
photos of my retinas - everything is just perfect! I have not yet been
using the eye drops. **Kitty]



Fri Nov 16, 2007 4:50 am

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Paul Antonik Wakfer
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Nov 16, 2007
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I just want to comment on this part of the post, about the eye drops administration. ... In addition to what is proposed above -- First of all, I wonder if...
Martha
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Nov 17, 2007
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... I am sure that it would be. In fact, I think the rate of change would be directly proportional to the number of times it was done daily, at least up to...
Paul Wakfer
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Nov 17, 2007
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I started using an eye bath to deliver the drops yesterday to my right eye, which has the cttaract. Coincidentally, I used Allegan Liquigel drops. I placed...
Wes and Jessie Neagle
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Nov 19, 2007
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... Generally, one should only use at most a 1-2% solution of NALC (please don't use NAC for the abbreviation of N-acetyl-L-carnosine, since that has long been...
Paul Wakfer
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Nov 20, 2007
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... right ... Correction - the proper spelling of the drops having been mentioned first by Martha, is "Allergan". However, when investigating this online, I...
Kitty Antonik Wakfer
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Nov 20, 2007
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Hi Paul and Kitty I estimate I used approximately 150 mg of each NALC and ALT711 to approximately 8ml of eye drops. What percentage would this be? I am ...
Wes and Jessie Neagle
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Nov 21, 2007
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... The percentage would be figured as follows: The density of the eye drops will be approximately the same as water (1 gram/ml) Therefore, you made a solution...
Paul Wakfer
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... Repeating what I stated in my previous post: I have used "Refresh Liquigel" by Allergan. It was recommended to me as being more efficacious because it is...
Martha
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In message #1664, [http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/morelife/message/1664 ] Paul wrote "A better way, with which some experimentation in animals has been...
Williams, Deane GHS
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Nov 22, 2007
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Thanks Paul. A nice bit of deep research. Please keep us updated on the results of your experiment. Deane ... From: morelife@yahoogroups.com...
Williams, Deane G HS
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Following up - answering my own question: ************************************************** QUESTIONS ABOUT CONCENTRATION OF NALC, and ALT-711 ...
Martha
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[Our apologies to Martha on the posting delay of this message. For some unknown reason Yahoo Groups identified this message as spam and put it into the...
Martha
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Interesting Paul that you are progressing our discussions on the eye treatments for cataract by adding these two substances together.. My experiments were also...
Ken Rudd
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Nov 19, 2007
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... I think that it could be mixed ahead of time and stored at an acid pH. Then all that would need to be done would be to use a pH meter or strips and add a...
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