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yin and yang from Ohsawa   Message List  
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Re: yin and yang from Ohsawa

--- In moderndaymacrobiotics@yahoogroups.com, "phiyak" <phiyak@...>
wrote:


> There is never any need for you to even mention Ohsawa or Michio,
let
> alone discredit them, in order to share you own ideas.


In the last post you encouraged me to say anything I wish, and now
you are strongly suggesting that I refrain from certain expressions.
Am I missing something ? I believe there may be times to mention
Michio's name. Such as when the subject of Kanagi may arise, since
he is the first one that I know of who coined the phrase. As for
discrediting him, I can only say that I am expressing my views and
opinions. These opinions may be right or wrong but they are mine...I
am my own painter with my own brush remember ??? If I allow you to
tell me how to share my ideas, I am in effect allowing you to dabble
on my paintboard, and that would distort my own personal picture. I
wouldn't smear paint on your canvas, so please don't smear mine. In
other words, feel free to express your views and I'll feel free to
express mine. There are literally thousands of quotes, articles, and
stories on the internet discrediting Michio. Did you pass the same
message to all of them ???




> I also ask that you refrain from pretending that you know what
Michio
> knows or doesn't know or what Ohsawa knew or didn't know. You
really
> don't have to do that.


You are free to ask anything you please, and I am free to respond in
the way I choose. That is one instance of verbal freedom. We can go
a step further and look at liberation. If we can both allow and
accept that verbal freedom we then become verbally liberated. You
have at times, yourself, given the pretentious illusion that you have
an idea of what I know and were completely wrong. I didn't ask you
to refrain from doing that because I respect your right to your own
opinions, something you are having difficulty in allowing me.
Anything I state about Ohsawa or Micio is not pretense...it is
something I truely believe either through observation or other
means. It is something I truely believe in my heart.



> It really doesn't matter what they know or don't
> know for your purposes.

What they know or don't know can affect a great number of people,
especially novices to their teachings. To some, that could VERY much
matter. As for me, you don't know what my purposes are, but you are
certainly entitled to speculate. That is your choice...your brush,
and I wouldn't interfere with your canvas, remember ????

Best Wishes

Andy

P.S. Did Marc V. come up with those ancient documents ? Also you
never mentioned where Michio's 729 Ki report is located.











Mon Dec 1, 2008 6:06 pm

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Andy, Thanks for sharing yourself without trying to discredit Michio or Ohsawa (or anyone else). Please keep it up as there may be others here interested in...
phiyak
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Dec 1, 2008
12:26 am

... let ... In the last post you encouraged me to say anything I wish, and now you are strongly suggesting that I refrain from certain expressions. Am I...
andyboyshao
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Dec 1, 2008
6:06 pm

Dear Andy, Thank you for your post. You are always, of course, free to say and do as you wish. I am only offering suggestions for your own benefit. ...
phiyak
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Dec 1, 2008
7:07 pm

Hi Andy, I do have one book by Michio on nine ki where here does explain the 81ki chart briefly. ...
Simon G Brown
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Dec 1, 2008
5:54 pm

Hi Simon - I have seen the chart you are speaking of. The explanation is brief as you said. He mentioned that with proper study many things will become...
andyboyshao
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Dec 1, 2008
6:19 pm

Hi Phiya No it doesn't really matter but sometimes it is interesting for interesting sake and everyone has different areas of interest so who is to say what...
Melanie
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Dear Mel, Although I am not even remotely attracted to definition of macrobiotics, I very much like how articulate your expression bellow is. With love Drags...
Dragana G. Brown
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Melanie, I'm all for making macrobiotics perhaps more accessible to "people in the checkout line" or to make the concepts more comprehensible when I give an...
Leslie
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Learning from my sister in-love, oops law! Love Mel -----Original Message----- From: "Dragana G. Brown" Sent: Nov 28, 2008 5:52 PM To:...
Melanie
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Articulate and funny. What else have you picked up from your sister in love (ha ha ha)....
Dragana G. Brown
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I would like to add these internet sources for father study: http://www.cybermacro.com/macrotimes/yingyang.html http://www.cybermacro.com/articles21.html ...
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Thanks for those links. You all might appreciate this bit, though it is quite long! Sooo, this very long extract from ANCIENT FUTURE by Wayne B. Chandler ...
daniela
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This looks to be very interesting Daniela. I am often amazed at how much ancient cultures of Africa, the Middle East, India and China interacted and how much...
Simon G Brown
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This is interesting.  Nice input. This is interesting. Nice input....
berian flowers
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Hi Berian flowers,   I'm guessing you're on digest which is why the post you're referring to doesn't show up - I guess if I go to the site, I can tell from...
Klara LeVine
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Hi Neon Candle - Thank you for the links. I have seen some of them before, but I have never seen the last one that was quite uncomplimentary toward Michio's ...
andyboyshao
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Hi There (not sure who you are) Many thanks for those links. Melanie -----Original Message----- From: neon_candle Sent: Nov 29, 2008 11:45 AM To:...
Melanie
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I ditto what Melanie said - I love Gary's site and as much as I'm on it, it's so great to know there are more articles I haven't read.   This goes back to all...
Klara LeVine
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Klara, I think there are various kind of conversations going on sort of continuously, and yes, I agree, not much is happening around the topic of food, but...
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Hi Klara, Your description that you shared with your friend sounded great. It's interesting how many people lump the raw foods movement together with ...
Leslie
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Hi Drags Still thinking - ha ha! Maybe too many to note in one post! Love Mel xx -----Original Message----- From: "Dragana G. Brown" Sent: Nov 28, 2008 6:36 PM...
Melanie
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Hi Gang I think good old Hamlet sums it up well in this famous Shakespeare quote! 'There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, Than are dreamt of in...
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Great quote Mel. Thanks, Simon...
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