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Dana Beal <dana@...> wrote:
From: Dana Beal <dana@...>
Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2005 21:40:32 -0400
Subject: [mayday] GMM 2005 #41: Blair Brown-noses Bush, Bans Shrooms!; Athens, Auckland, Buenos Aires, Christchurch, Dunedin, Stockholm Make 68 Cities Already Signed up for the MMM, May 6, 2006
Important: get your city on the list for the Million Marijuana March, May 6, 2006!So far we have confirmed 68 cities:
Albuquerque
Amsterdam
AntwerpAthensAuckland
BakersfieldBaselBernBirminghamBoise
BoulderBuenos AiresCalgaryCapetownChicoChristchurchCordobaDallasDarwinDunedinEugeneFayettevilleFt. Smith
HachitaHartfordKansas CityKnoxvilleLausanneLimaLocarno
Los AngelesLuxembourgLuzernLyonMinneapolisMoscowNagaokaNashuaNashvilleNew York
NimbinOgdenPaiaParisPhoenixPortlandPragueRaleighRio de JaneiroRoanokeRosarioRostockRotterdam
SalemSan DiegoStavangerSteamboat SpringsSteven's PointSt. LouisStockholmTel AvivThunder BayTraverse City
Tucson
ViennaWarsawWashington, D.C.
Zürich---------
There is also some international MMM networking going on at
this CannabisCulture.com message forum:
http://www.cannabisculture.com/forums/postlist.php?Cat=&Board=current
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Million Marijuana March. Banners, posters, handbills,
flyers for 2004 and 2005 MMM. Adapt for your needs! Click:
http://gallery.marihemp.com/mmm2004flyers
http://gallery.marihemp.com/mmm2005flyers
Or go to this other big MMM photo gallery. Click:
http://gallery.encod.org/mmm
and then click on "mmm2004"
and then "Banners Posters Handbills"
Many of the MMM 2004 banners, posters, flyers, and
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images found here. The freeware Adobe Acrobat Reader and the
freeware IrfanView were used.
http://www.adobe.com/products/acrobat/readstep2.html
http://www.irfanview.com - IrfanView is a free image editor
that is useful for adapting these flyers and banners for
your needs. Download the full-size gif images since they use
far fewer kilobytes compared to the 640x480 and 800x600 jpg
versions of the same image. JPG image files are mainly for
photos and images with lots of color gradation. GIF image
files are much better for flyers and banners. IrfanView caneasily edit, reduce, or enlarge gif and jpg images.*****!!!Global Marijuana March--May 6, 2006: Updates, Reports!!!*****NEW ZEALAND: IN PRAGMATIC RETREAT, NANDOR TANCZOS INTRODUCES MARIJUANA DECRIMINALIZATION BILL
In a retreat from the New Zealand Green Party's formal position that marijuana should be legalized, a Member of Parliament introduced a bill that would decriminalize possession.http://stopthedrugwar.org/chronicle/396/tanczos.shtml------------------------------------From: norml@...Hi Dana, we can confirm that Auckland, Christchurch and Dunedin will be taking part. Will let you know about other cities.
Regards,
Chris Fowlie
www.norml.org.nz
National Organisation for the Reform of Marijuana Laws, NZ Inc.PO Box 3307 Auckland New Zealand.------------------------------From: blair@...just keep Christchurch in the mix there Dana.
Im thinking of coming over in November, are you going to DPA at all?
I'm going up to stay with and do some lobbying with Clifford Thornton in Connecticut.
I desire to give the UN a call. I can think of a lot of people I would like to see in NY, whats happening laste October, November December that I shouldnt miss.
What can I do/contribute. I'm traveling 'live' back to my half hour radio show now ready to be syndicated to eleven stations. (and I'll being doing some for Dean Becker as well.,)Im keen to have a chat with you about malatonin 'treatment'. Our elections are shaping up in a battle for some sensible law and order rules vs drugwarsville... ( I think that if we dont have legal regulation well have instant fines with coercive 'treatment' and educatioCheers, Blair----------From: graab419@...Hi Dana,
Thanks for thinking of us. Dunedin is definitely confirmed for 2006,
as far as an address and phone I'll have to see if one of our supporters
is willing to have theirs published and get back to you. My name and
e-mail are still current. Thanks again, we all look forward to slamming
prohibition. Sorry to hear about the supreme court.
Cheers,
Abe Gray
President Dunedin NORML------------tents444@...Schapelle Corby is a top story again in Google News worldwide:
http://news.google.com/ - Please forward widely.
Prosecutors have previously said that they wanted to appeal her 20 year sentence in order to seek life in prison. All for the crime of finding cannabis in unlocked bags after they passed through many baggage handling areas notoriously known to be used for drug smuggling. Bag handlers in one airport pass on drugs to handlers in other airports. The handler-smugglers forgot to take the cannabis out of Corby's bags.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schapelle_Corby
Google. Web: http://www.google.com/search?q=schapelle+corbyGoogle News: http://news.google.com/news?q=schapelle+corby---------------------------------------------------------------------------------PHILIPPINES MAN GETS 15 YEARS FOR TWO JOINTSThe sentencing of a man to 15 years in prison for possessing two marijuana cigarettes shows that the country remains mired in an on-going, full-blown anti-drug frenzy. http://stopthedrugwar.org/chronicle/396/15years.shtml-----------------------------------------------------------------------From: tents444@...
From a Google News search for Boaz Wachtel, an organizer for the Tel Aviv, Israel "Global Marijuana March," a yearly event in around 200 cities worldwide in early May.
Google News:
http://news.google.com/news?q=boaz+wachtel
Google web:
http://www.google.com/search?q=boaz+wachtel
Global Marijuana March:
*Tel Aviv, Israel. Link. 2. Media. 2. 3. CCthread. Gallery. wachtel"at"shani.net lior"at"alternative.org.il eran"at"alternative.org.il (substitute @ for "at" in the email addresses)
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Jerusalem Post, Israel.
Alei Yarok offers new toke on pullout
Jun. 27, 2005 2:05 | Updated Jun. 27, 2005 5:07
Alei Yarok offers new toke on pulloutBy NINA GILBERT
Activists of the pro-cannabis Alei Yarok party are on a mission to bring relaxation to Gaza during disengagement.
On Sunday, party chairman Boaz Wachtel and group members campaigned in Gaza for the government to issue a temporary order to allow settlers and security personnel to use cannabis during planned evacuation of settlements in August to reduce the level of violence.
However, Wachtel and his cohorts, who support the disengagement plan, mostly got a negative response to their idea.
"A brawl started and we were nearly tossed out of the Maoz Hayam Hotel" where settlers were holed up, he said.
The group also blocked a few roads in Gaza to give settlers "a taste of their own medicine in an act of defiance of their violent behavior."
Wachtel said that according to research, cannabis is known for its relaxant properties and for its ability to reduce aggression and violent behavior.
He said a sizeable amount of cannabis was grown in Gush Katif and the Palestinian area of Gaza. "In the extreme settlements there is a wide
use of cannabis," he claimed.
During the visit, he said a few young settlers approached the group and expressed support for cannabis use to reduce violence.
Wachtel had planned to quit politics in 2003 after a second unsuccessful run, but activists encouraged him to continue his efforts. He said he had a feeling that elections would be called in
November, but emphasized that the party was operating year round to support medical use of cannabis.
He said he was not concerned that supplies would diminish after the pullout from Gaza, attributing government prohibition to encouraging a high price on the black market. He blamed the government for what he said was terrorists making money off of the marijuana trade. "It
contributes to the strengthening of terrorist organizations," he said of the prohibition.---------------------------From: iliosporoi@...Hi Dana the contact remains the same, pls avoid
publicising my mobile, email is enough...
Already started preparations for 2006!!!Michalis
-------- Original Message --------
Subject: GMM '05 - Stockholm Report
Date: Mon, 09 May 2005 23:28:25 +0200
From: Jonas Levin <jonas.levin@...>
Organization: Firma Jonas LevinTo: dana@...
Well, in the beginning the rain was pouring down. That caused some problems with the sound system and the crowd became wet.
After a while the sun appeared and we were listening to music from Trinity Sound System and the rapper D-Chi. Mr Tommie Nygren spoke about recreational cannabis and Ms Marie Stenhoff spoke over a dialup connection about medicinal use. Ms Stenhoff is under trial for growing and using medicinal marijuana.
A crowd of 150-200 persons joined the rally which were held at the central square of Hötorget. Discussions about GMM 2006 have already been started.
Pictures can be viewed at:
http://www.swecan.org/modules.php?name=coppermine&file=thumbnails&album=149
Regard---------From: carl@...Hello Dana
Hull, UK has had a cannabis protest for 5 years running and I expect a repeat in 2006.
I have added Hull to the list.
Hull is part of the MMM but is usually held in June or July due to the weather and to avoid a clash with the London event.
Will send you a report on this years (July 24) event soon.
Carl
Carl Wagner
5 Victoria Square
Ella Street
Hull
England
HU5 3AL----------From:ptpeet@... Subject:Europe: Magic Mushrooms Now Illegal in Great Britain
http://stopthedrugwar.org/chronicle/396/ukban.shtml
Europe: Magic Mushrooms Now Illegal in Great Britain
For the past few years, Britons have been enjoying a loophole in Britain's drug law that allowed hallucinogenic mushrooms such as amanita muscaria and psilocbye cubensis to be imported, grown, sold, and used in the British Isles. According to one British magazine, Amsterdam of London, they have been quite popular, with one major "legal hallucinogen" outlet selling 220 pounds of magic mushrooms a week -- enough for 10,000 highs. Some drug policy activists even suggest the popularity of magic mushrooms has lessened the demand for other drugs, particularly Ecstasy.But that has all changed, effective Monday. The British government has reclassified magic mushrooms as Class-A drugs under the Drugs Act of 2005, so what was a legal business activity last week is now punishable by up to life in prison. Even simple possession for personal use can now garner a prison sentence of up to seven years.
In scheduling the trippy fungi as Class-A drugs, the British government is saying it considers them as dangerous as cocaine or heroin.
snip-
--------Knowing how spiritual and verfiably religious I find my own use of mushrooms, I'm sickened that in this late stage of the game officials are STILL adding such ancient substances to their list of "outlawed" substances to ingest. I wonder what their ancient forebearers would think of such an idea, that some government officials could tell communities and religious types they could no longer use their sacrements. What would the Church of England think if I took power and decreed that their wine, evil alcohol-based rotten grapejuice, was a danger to our community and gave the wrong impression to our youth, teaching them to that alcohol use is ok, so it would now be banned and I and my jackbooted thugs in badges would lock up anyone caught using the stuff, that evil- devil-based wine stuff, in prison for terms ranging anywhere from years to life in prison?When one looks at the actual, real damages caused by the use of even moderate amounts of some legal substances, like alcohol and tobacco and refined sugar and factory farmed (and chemically added to, not to mention addled by) meat, and even television, it really is so apparent that there's absolutely no scientific basis for such anti-mushroom (or anti-pot or for that matter, if you get right down to it, anti-cocaine and heroin either) decrees, that they are based on prejudice and biases and ignorance and fear- not one iota of rationality of sense or science whatsoever. I seriously doubt that Britain has been having a problem with mushroom overdoses or mushroom addicts going out and committing horrifically violent crime against others (like alcohol users are wont to do), so this really is nothing more than more anti-drug hysteria and political posturing.Of course, for most of you I'm probably preaching to the choir, but some of you I've addressed this note to may be thinking about this stuff for the first time.
Peace and love,Preston----- Mensaje original -----
De: Dana Beal <dana@...>
Fecha: Lunes, Julio 25, 2005 12:05 pm
Asunto: million marijuana march 2006!
> Important: get your city on the list for the Million Marijuana
> March,
> May 6, 2006!
>
> So far we have confirmed 62 cities:
>
> Albuquerque
> Amsterdam
> Antwerp
> Bakersfield
> Basel
> Bern
> Birmingham
> Boise
> BoulderBuenos Aires
> Calgary
>
> Capetown
> Chico
> Cordoba
> Dallas
> Darwin
> Eugene
> Fayetteville
> Ft. Smith
> Hachita
> Hartford
>
> Kansas City
> Knoxville
> Lausanne
> Lima
> Locarno
> Los Angeles
> Luxembourg
> Luzern
> Lyon
> Minneapolis
>
> Moscow
> Nagaoka
> Nashua
> Nashville
> New York
> Nimbin
> Ogden
> Paia
> Paris
> Phoenix
>
> Portland
> Prague
> Raleigh
> Rio de Janeiro
> Roanoke
> Rosario
> Rostock
> Rotterdam
> Salem
> San Diego
>
> Stavanger
> Steamboat Springs
> Steven's Point
> St. Louis
> Tel Aviv
> Thunder Bay
> Traverse City
> Tucson
> Vienna
> Warsaw
>
> Washington, D.C.
> Zürich>-------------From: emlee_p@...Hey Dana,
About 3 or 4 people have said they have an interest, but from my experience around here I'd say that no one will commit until say February or hopefully no later than March of 2006.
My main reason for not doing it next year is that its been impossible to find committed co-organizers, but also this year I had personal problems that made it taxing and lonely. Plus there were people who said they wanted to do integral things for the march then they didn't even keep in contact with me. I'd rather check out NY next year just to see a large-scale march. I'll do it in 2007 if noone does in 2006.I spoke to Ed Forchion, there's a small chance he'll do something, but he wants to get a group of people to cross the Ben Franklin bridge with him to go to the Liberty Bell, but I think he'l be lucky if he finds 5 people to do that! At any rate, maybe a larger group would be willing to just meet him at the Libby Bell.Next year if I can get the money together I'd like to come to London for 4 days to help out there--but that's just an twinkly idea at the moment. Need to pay of charge cards first!
Have you found anyone who'd want to come to Philly for a night to do a presentation on Ibogaine?I'll forward the list of next years cities to some Philly people, maybe that'll jog their senses.
Keep in touch,
Emily--------COERCED TREATMENT: PENNSYLVANIA LEGAL CHALLENGE THREATENS DRUG COURTS, JUDGE COMPLAINSAn appeal filed a Pennsylvania woman could have national repercussions on the way drug courts work. http://stopthedrugwar.org/chronicle/396/pacase.shtml------------------------------------------------------------------------From: hempreport@...
Ontario Hemp Alliance Field Day 2005 to be held on
Friday August 12 starting at 1:00pm
At The Farm Of Dan Scheele
south-west from Woodstock, Ontario, Canada
Site of Certified seed production of Anka
* On site demonstration of hemp production for seed, grain and post grain harvest fibre.
* Short informal program re hemp breeding initiatives in Ontario, seed production, grain production and fibre production.
* Refreshments and summer treats.
Mr. Dan Scheele and his family farm 200 acres cash crop and run a family hog finishing business. Mr. Scheele has previously grown 2 successful hemp fibre crops under contract and is growing a certified seed crop in 2005.
Directions:
Coming from West/South: 401 east to exit 218, take 19 south (Plank Line) to Sweaburg Rd (12 east), turn left (east) onto Sweaburg Rd to Jordan Line (first crossroad), turn right onto Jordan Line and it's the first farm on the left.
Coming from the North/East: 401 west to 222 exit (just west of Woodstock), take Foldens Line (6 south) to Folden and turn right (west) onto Sweaburg Rd. (12 west), to Jordan Line (first crossroad), turn left onto Jordan and first farm on left.Google Map link (drag to navigate, zoom, and satellite photo available, too): <http://maps.google.com/maps?q=Woodstock,+ON&ll=43.036776,-80.835171&spn=0.056142,0.112361&hl=en>Please visit the Ontario Hemp Alliance web site at <http://www.ontariohempalliance.org>
for more information------------------------------From rmelamed@...Colorado Springs will be doing it.Bob---------------------------From: donnaclee@...http://www.sdnorml.org/
Here's another decison by our self-serving governor of California.
Pax,Donna--------------------.MEDICAL MARIJUANA: CALIFORNIA REINSTATES ID CARD PROGRAMThe suspension of California's pilot state medical marijuana ID card program in the wake of the US Supreme Court's adverse decision in the Raich case has proven short-lived.http://stopthedrugwar.org/chronicle/396/reinstatement.shtml---------------MEDICAL MARIJUANA: NEARLY A THOUSAND RALLY IN SANTA CRUZActivists held the largest medical marijuana demonstration in Santa Cruz since supportive city council members and county supervisors authorizes a medical marijuana-distributing demonstration on the steps of City Hall in support of WAMM after it was raided by the DEA. http://stopthedrugwar.org/chronicle/396/santacruz.shtml--------------------------------------------------------------2006 MMM world map. May 6, 2006 Million Marijuana March. Cities sorted by region. World Cannabis Day. Cannabis Liberation Day. Global Marijuana March. Worldwide since 1999. The first Saturday in May, or that weekend, or thereabouts. Rallies, marches, concerts, events, meetings, parties, raves, info-tables, stands, booths, etc..
http://www.geocities.com/tents444/mmm2006map.htm and
http://corporatism.tripod.com/mmm2006map.htm and
http://www.angelfire.com/rnb/y/mmm2006map.htm andhttp://members.fortunecity.com/multi19/mmm2006map.htm
Click the region names in the left chart column to go to their city lists.
Click the "countries" link to go to the list of countries.Worldwide.
MMM (Million Marijuana March).City list and world map:Yahoo Group:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/cannabisaction
************************* BUSHWHACKED!! ***************************************************From: billder@...CHENEY'S PLAN: NUKE IRAN - TOP
Justin Raimondo, Antiwar.com, 7/25/05
http://antiwar.com/justin/
A recent poll shows six in ten Americans think a new world war is coming:
the same poll says about 50 percent approve of the dropping of the atomic
bomb on the Japanese cities of Hiroshima and Nagasaki at the end of World
War II. Somewhat inexplicably, about two-thirds say nuking those two cities
was "unavoidable." One can only wonder, then, what their reaction will be to
this ominous news, revealed in a recent issue of The American Conservative
by intelligence analyst Philip Giraldi:
"The Pentagon, acting under instructions from Vice President Dick Cheney's
office, has tasked the United States Strategic Command (STRATCOM) with
drawing up a contingency plan to be employed in response to another
9/11-type terrorist attack on the United States. The plan includes a
large-scale air assault on Iran employing both conventional and tactical
nuclear weapons. Within Iran there are more than 450 major strategic
targets, including numerous suspected nuclear-weapons-program development
sites. Many of the targets are hardened or are deep underground and could
not be taken out by conventional weapons, hence the nuclear option. As in
the case of Iraq, the response is not conditional on Iran actually being
involved in the act of terrorism directed against the United States. Several
senior Air Force officers involved in the planning are reportedly appalled
at the implications of what they are doing - that Iran is being set up for
an unprovoked nuclear attack - but no one is prepared to damage his careerby posing any objections." (MORE)Bush Changes Parameters on Plame Punishmenthttp://www.truthout.org/docs_2005/071805Y.shtmlRay McGovern | Plame Case Is about Iraq
http://www.truthout.org/docs_2005/071905Q.shtmlFormer Agents Push Bush for Action on Rove
http://www.truthout.org/docs_2005/072305Z.shtmlJohn Pilger: Blair Is Unfit to Be Prime Ministerhttp://www.truthout.org/docs_2005/072305X.shtmlDid Rove and Libby Obstruct Justice?http://www.truthout.org/docs_2005/072405Z.shtmlWhat Did Bush and Cheney Know?http://www.truthout.org/docs_2005/072505Q.shtmlSteve Weissman | Kill Them There, or They'll Kill Us Here
http://www.truthout.org/docs_2005/072605I.shtmlWitness: Dogs Bit Abu Ghraib Detaineeshttp://www.truthout.org/docs_2005/072605Y.shtmlLondon Mayor: Western "Double Standards" Fuel Terrorhttp://www.truthout.org/docs_2005/072005Y.shtml
Gonzales Admits Giving Plame Warning to Key Bush Aidehttp://www.truthout.org/docs_2005/072505Z.shtmlMarjorie Cohn | The Roberts Court?
http://www.truthout.org/docs_2005/072505I.shtmlCheney Lobbying Against Anti-Torture Legislationhttp://www.truthout.org/docs_2005/072305A.shtmlT H E H U F F I N G T O N P O S TAs I'm traveling around Italy, I've been blogging about matters both weighty and light -- from Iraq to formaggio. Here are three posts from the last week. And for the latest coverage of Iraq -- though not formaggio -- be sure to check out huffingtonpost.com.
The Sicilian Expedition: Ancient History?
Posted July 21, 2005 at 9:52 p.m. EDT
I've just arrived in Palermo in Sicily. On my way over, I decided to brush up on my Sicilian history -- and that meant delving into Thucydides and his epic chronicle of the disastrous Sicilian Expedition.
Of course, I had been forced to read all that as a Greek schoolgirl. But oh what a difference the passage of many, many years and one Iraq war have made in my reading of the great Athenian soldier-historian. The parallels between his rendering of the Sicilian Expedition -- a case study in imperial power gone awry -- and our current situation in Iraq are inescapable and chilling... and Santayana's old saw about those unable to remember the past being condemned to repeat it kept leaping to mind. Or, as Thucydides himself put it back in the day: "It will be enough for me, however, if these words of mine are judged useful by those who want to understand clearly the events which happened in the past and which (human nature being what it is) will, at some time or another and in much the same ways, be repeated in the future." Boy, are they ever.
For those of you who slept through your Ancient History 101 class, here's a quick refresher, courtesy of wikipedia:
"The Sicilian Expedition was an Athenian expedition to Sicily from 415 BC to 413 BC, during the Peloponnesian War. It was an unmitigated disaster for the Athenian forces. As Thucydides recounts wryly in his History of the Peloponnesian War, the generals leading the campaign had scant knowledge of Sicily, or of its population, and thus the forces marshaled for its conquering were woefully inadequate."
Sound familiar?
But that's just the tip of the hubris iceberg when it comes to ancient analogies to the modern mistakes being made in Iraq.
For starters, the Athenian warmongers, led by Alcibiades, were convinced that conquering Sicily would be a cakewalk, leading to easy control of its grain and trade routes -- and would serve as a great warning to other enemies of Athenia. Those on the other side, led by Nicias, argued that the resources needed to conquer Sicily would be much greater than the hawks were advertising (perhaps Nicias was an ancient relative of General Shinseki). Nicias also correctly predicted that the ancient equivalent of the Coalition of the Willing wouldn't be all that willing (or, rather, about as willing as they were almost 25 centuries later).
Starting to get the picture?The invasion of Sicily was part of a larger war -- against Sparta -- which was the first great "clash of civilizations" and it, too, was sold as a war of liberation. But instead of rolling over (and tossing flowers at the Athenians' feet?), the invasion drew the previously divided and ethnically diverse Sicilians together and attracted anti-Athenian forces from throughout the region (no word on whether that included any gimpy Jordanians).
In the end, Athens' ill-fated invasion of Sicily helped bring about the end of the Athenian empire , proving Toynbee's dictum: "An autopsy of history would show that all great nations commit suicide."Karl Rove is famously a student of U.S. history. Maybe someone should send him a copy of Thucydides. I'll see if I can find a FedEx drop-off in Palermo---------------------------------------------------------------THIS WEEK'S CORRUPT COPS STORIESAnother prison guard smuggling dope, another cop caught tweaking, an airport security professional trying to get rich, a horny Florida deputy, and a Michigan police chief who sounds like a real decadent party animal. http://stopthedrugwar.org/chronicle/396/thisweek1.shtml****!!! IBOGAINE TREATMENT NOW EURO 1500 IN HOLLAND--CALL SARA, 0113134-624-1770 !!!****From:nick227@... Subject:RE: [Ibogaine] Report
-----Original Message-----
From: darkmattersfo@... [mailto:darkmattersfo@...]Sent: 19 July 2005 02:15
To: ibogaine@...
Subject: [Ibogaine] Report -
A couple of months ago I did a full session of Ibo, and recently
I did "mini' session of (i think) 9 mg/k. I think the full
session was 17mg/k
It was not as mellow as I thought it would be. I had visions that
were quite disturbing (like the first time.) I don't know if this
is common, but I do have to admit that my internal landscape is
quite fearful.
Much of what I experienced the first time was repeated, but I
remember more of it this time. Shortly after starting and the
visions were going I thought "what the fuck am I doing". I guess
I thought it would be more cognitive processing, but there was
almost the same level of visuals involved.
I didn't take any anti-naseua medication like i did the first
time, but highly recommend it.
The first session was quite intense, and the dopamine influx (i
guess it was an influx) put me in a zen like state for almost a
month. This time, the affect was smaller but no less impressive
I got alot out of this session. But I must admit it is not
pleasant. I would find it difficult to recommend this to anyonebased on my experience. It was worth it to me though.
Hey DM,
If it helps any, I have similar experiences with ibogaine. The run up to
taking it, it seems like a really good idea. I have lots of reasons to do
it. Then, when it starts coming on, it's like "Fuck! Why have I done this
again? Why? I said I wasn't going to do this any more! And now I've got 30
fucking hours of this shit!" This was exactly what it was like, each time
after the first.
I've never had blissful trips on ibogaine, it all seems to be just
processing and processing more negativity, or, more accurately, stuff I
don't want to see or feel. Personally, I think this is OK and actually
pretty healthy. In psychology, the main reason for using psychoactives in
therapy is to break the stranglehold of the ego-dominated mind, deciding
what it does and doesn't want to feel; to allow repressed material to come
out. Thus, it's pretty much inevitable that what is repressed will be
experienced as being unpleasant, as the mind doesn't repressed stuff it
likes, it's only all the "bad shit" (or so it's labelled) that get thrown in
the cupboard.
All the best
Nick
ps - you might wanna consider changing your moniker, darkmattersfo doesn'texactly set one up for a good time maybe.From:ptpeet@... Subject:Re: [Ibogaine] Report - Gotta pretty much agree, although the last couple times, knowing I wasn't taking a full "treatment" dose, I didn't feel that trepidation after eating the dose (or injesting however the case may be) that I did the first three times, thinking each of those times I was taking a real treatment dose, and felt that exact same, "oh shit, why have I done this again," and "now I've got 30 fucking hours of this shit" going through my head- but the visiual states haven't always been stressful by any means, even the really rough ones, not entirely anyway. Some have been real humdingers, but some have been pure bliss.
Peace and love,Preston PeetFrom:HSLotsof@... Subject:Re: [Ibogaine] Report -
Dear Nick,
Regardless of whether the ibogaine experience is disturbing or not, the
sudden realization, of "Fuck! Why have I done this again?" is quite common. When Iwas younger the realization would usually hit about 18 to 20 hours in. As I
grew older, I'd have the same feeling about two hours in, recognizing that
there were too many hours to go.HowardFrom:darkmattersfo@... Subject:RE: [Ibogaine] Report - Hi Nick,
I'm basically OK with the severity of the processing and Ibo really does give you the chance to see and face things that are in back of the head. As has been said multiple times here Ibo gives you what you need, not what you want. It still terrifies me but "I am human, therefore nothing human is alien to me" - I can take it.
My screenname will probably change in the future. I took it because darkmatter is the most prevalent form of matter in the universe, it is unseen and everywhere. Most people interpret as dark and forboding, but for me its about profundity, or the desire for profundity.
TAke care,
MarkFrom:nick227@... Subject:RE: [Ibogaine] Report -
Hi Howard,
Yes, it's really an Encounter drug, ibogaine. Somehow it convinces you to
take it, it suckers you in, and then when you're ataxic and stuck on the
mattress it's like - "OK. Now, you're gonna look!"NickFrom:ekkijdfg@... Subject:Re: [Ibogaine] Report - in my opinion what iboga is depends mainly on the person and the persons mindset and the interaction between the plant/spirit and the person.for me itīs a tool to leave the android ekki-self and become one with the impersonal true self, so taking iboga feels like coming home, like returning.
i canīt imagine thinking "fuck why have i done this again". i like trippin and always did so, because itīs like "wow, now i gonna look!"
-ekkiHSLotsof@... Subject:Re: [Ibogaine] Report - Hi Ekki,
Let me correct myself. It is not that I say why have I done this again but,
at some time when exhausted I say I will never do this again and then, at some
point in the future, do so once more. Though the times between experiences
have become more and more distant. Decades in some cases.
How old are you if I may ask?
Thanks
HowardFrom:ekkijdfg@... Subject:Re: [Ibogaine] Report -
Hi Howard!
i remember on my first journey for detox i found it quite exhausting too, still didnīt want it to stop and felt really bad immediately afterwards. well i felt bad before too, and didnīt realize the change yet.
iīm 31 years old.
itīs cool to email with you Howard, thatīs like talking with hoffman about lsd, only that ibogaine goes deeper. thanks!
cheers ekkiekkijdfg@... Subject:Re: [Ibogaine] Report -
nick, how is it when people in cameroon take iboga and dance?
i read your article on iboga tourism on mindvox. could you tell more about bwiti-partying?
i hope i will see the day when initiated westerners will dance to electronic beats on iboga at iboga-raves, so that i have some company with this.-ekkiFrom:nick227@... Subject:RE: [Ibogaine] Report -
Hey Ekki,
Well, to tell you the truth, I can't remember so much. What I recall is that
for the "3 nights of Ngoze" - the initiation - people were up all the time,
the whole group do rituals, make music, and dance throughout the night.
There's a lot of structure and a clear hierachy. They would pass around an
iboga drink - rootbark mixed with water in a plastic bottle, and swig from
it. During the day they ate and chilled out, though the kombo - the head
woman - would stop them from sleeping and frequently freak out at people,
which kept them on their toes. I think the main thing is they keep moving.
They don't sleep at all for 3 nights. And they drink iboga a little to keep
the energy moving. This what I've described is for the people who are
already initiated and are just taking part to support. Those actually doing
initiation are totally out of it in the back of the temple and being walked
around every now and again.
My impression is that the Bwiti's approach is very body-based and I think a
lot of people in the West using iboga miss out big time on the experience.
Guys space out afterwards, get into some new-agey meditation stuff, write afew emails about how they've seen God. It all very lovey-dovey, and everyone
does their best to mean well, and talk everything right but, a month or so
later they are back hitting up. This is still fine, but I can't help thefeeling that there's a lot more that could be being done for those who are
actually really up for it.
Nickekkijdfg@... Subject:Re: [Ibogaine] Report - Nick, thanks for description--The saying: took drugs. saw god. big fuckin deal.but why not. in the east people first try to life a responsible lifestyle, keeping the commandments of their faith, then they start practicing meditation, and then they attain spiritual insight. for us itīs the other way round, we first trip and see god, then we start a spiritual practice and then we hopefully can live a life that benefits all sentient beings.What could be done for those who are really up for it? and how get it more body-based?From:skrupa20022002@... Subject:Re: [Ibogaine] Report - Hi Ekki,Howard ,nick& All, I think it would be cool for those interested to get together in a country where its legal & experience iboga in the fashion you're discussing, more group conscious & physical, not for detox ,but for the spiritual/communally tribal deal, at least it sounds good for me, do you have the same ataxia/nausea with the way youre discussing that they ingest it? I'd like to experience iboga outside too.love shellFrom:darkmattersfo@... Subject:Re: [Ibogaine] Report -
This is a really good idea. After reading Nick's description of the rituals in Africa, and some of the other posts I started thinking that I would like to ritualize the next event. I used to practice ritual magick as a form of self-expression and a communal event would be attractive.From:ekkijdfg@... Subject:Re: [Ibogaine] Report -
Hi Shelley,sounds like a good idea, would be great. right at the moment itīs only dreaming i guess. anyone willing to organize something like this? a problem maybe that most people with a job have no time and most people without job have no money to travel around the world. -ekkiFrom:nick227@... Subject:RE: [Ibogaine] Report -
Sounds good. Personally, I found keeping the dose low you don't get ataxia but still get an iboga effect. I think it matters if you've been initiated because, if you have, then you should be able to "go there" on much lower doses. If you've haven't taken a "head breaking" dose then maybe it doesn't work. I recall taking 5g of good rootbark back in 98 before I'd done bigger doses. It did not do so much, I was just spacey and awake. These days I could take one tenth this amount and have quite an experience. Don't know if this is the same for everyone.
NickFrom:ekkijdfg@... Subject:Re: [Ibogaine] Report -
itīs similar for me. i donīt need much for an experience any more.still larger doses are attractive,too.From:ptpeet@... Subject:Re: [Ibogaine] Report -
As noted, I can as I have. And I LOVE tripping ekki- your description of your LSD "problem" isn't even close to what I was doing with LSD, very strong good LSD, 21-19 yeas ago, where I was eating 10-12 doses as a time and not feeling anything because I hadn't waited the requisit 3 days between doses to allow my body/brain to both trip again. I used to be able to trip every other day, but eventually could only get it on every third day, as noted. And I did that for quite some time.
I'm not bragging or boasting, only pointing out that my love of tripping goes way back (considering my age anyway) and doesn't have a thing to do with that "oh shit, what have I done" feeling whatsoever. Even with those thoughts, I'll still do it again I'm sure, someday, but will probably do the same thinking too- "oh shit, what have I done? 30 hours AGAIN?"
But that's my life.Peace and love,PrestonFrom:ekkijdfg@... Subject:Re: [Ibogaine] Report -
hi Preston,
i know i am an amateur compared to you when it comes to drugs. maybe i will feel this "fuck why again" sometime in future. i dont do clairvoyance so i canīt be sure. but 10-12 papers is really a lot, wow! have you written more about this time and especially how you felt afterwards? i spend most of my time of lsd in clubs and on raves and chillouts afterwards. i liked it for dancing&music but i hardly talked. my acidfriends were the same and we spend days without talking, only playing music. we were very sensible and rolling a joint or preparing green tea was like a ritual, every movement of the hands with awareness and friendlyness. my career at university suffered from it, the walls were breathing and i could neither focus on higher maths nor on humanities. after doing this a year i somehow got very shy and sensible and then discovered cocain as an antidote (on coke i passed higher maths) and then quickly graduated to freebase. i probably could have spend the coke times more meaningfull.But that's my life.Peace and love,ekkiFrom:nick227@... Subject:RE: [Ibogaine] Report -
It is a BFD! My first iboga experience in 1999 totally changed my life from
the inside. Don't underestimate the god factor! It's just that in that space
of acceptance, when the noribogaine glow wears off, it's very easy to driftback to how you were before.
I figure something with a lot of encounter, sexuality and bodywork; with a
strong limit-situation component and a lot of support; somewhere where
you'll be pushed to go beyond your limits and not allowed to just space out
or run when feelings come up. Should be residential, TC style.NickFrom:ekkijdfg@... Subject:Re: [Ibogaine] Report - oh yes, agree, it is a BFD! enlightening experiences are not so uncomon, with or without drugs. i believe a lot if not most people experience something with the god (only a three letter word btw) factor in their lifes. important to use it and build up on it.
i see you have a therapeutical approach to it.what means TC? sex & iboga is fantastic of course, especially if both partners are iboganized.From:nick227@... Subject:RE: [Ibogaine] Report -
TC = therapeutic community - was one of the earlier concepts in residential
rehab, Phoenix House and Synanon are examples. There are still quite a fewaround. NickFrom:nick227@... Subject:RE: [Ibogaine] Report - I've heard therapist type people say of psychoactives in general that
sometimes you just have very positive blissful experiences to settle you to
the point where you can look at personal stuff you don't want to so much. I
don't imagine there are any set rules here but this does make sense,
psychologically. It's also a pattern you see in therapy - the need to
reinforce the ego in order that it's strong enough to process repressed
material. Of course, who knows with these things and you don't want to start
wishing yourself negative trips because you feel it's more real!
NickFrom:tinkerbell.sarah@... Subject:[Ibogaine] Endocarditis and ibogaine...
I have a friend who is DETERMINED to treat himself and has endo.
Somebody help me out here!! He also has ulcers and pancreas trouble,
and I just don't have enough info to pass along....
Any help greatly appreciated...
Love tinkFrom:ptpeet@... Subject:[Ibogaine] MORE ON Endocarditis and ibogaine...
Let me reiterate now that I know a little more- GO TO THE FUCKING HOSPITAL! Now! Endocaditis is no freaking joke and WILL KILL YOU. Don't put it off, and besides detoxing in the hospital ain't all that bad a way to go- THEN DO THE IBOGAINE WHEN you are released from the hospital! Aftwards! That way, you can take care of those pesky painful stomach issues TOO! Whoa, imagine that, something good out of health care. And if my info is correct and this person is in Canada, don't they have universal health care there anyway? What's the issue here with not going when one KNOWS they've got endocarditis? Does endo ever cure itself ever? Not that I've heard of but I suppose I could be mistaken- but this person sounds as though they're still USING NOW, so why not just go to the hospital? That is the most freakin' sensible, and I'd like to see this person keep posting and not get one of those ultra-depressing, "so and so freaking died because s/he was IMPATIENT!"
As I wrote just a day or two ago, it's patience that is the key in almost everything.
But, with that said, it doesn't behoove anyone to be patient about getting treated if they are suffering with edocarditis. Nor should they be self-treating themselves with ibogaine under such circumstances at all, treatment doses that are geared towards getting off opiates (large doses of ibogaine in other words) with no supervision or assistance from someone who knows what the hell they're doing. Go to the hospital first, and get that endo treated NOW, Please. Quit messing around.
Life is easily gone, and we here all know it, so why mess around with it? Unless that's what you're after. But if you're talking about wanting off an opiate habit by taking ibogaine, something in you prefers the "I'm still alive" opition. So do it smartly and stay alive to enjoy the end results of having taken the ibogaine in the first place. Makes no sense whatsoever to take ibogaine knowing that you've already got the deck stacked against you and you are no longer on mere 50/50 grounds. Wake up, please, and get professional treatment for the endo- THEN, take ibogaine to your heart's content. IF you've gotten yourself healthy enough to deal with it more safely than how it's sounding to me now.Please.
Thanks.
Peace and love,PrestonFrom:beatriceblue@... Subject:Re: [Ibogaine] Endocarditis and ibogaine...
I remember reading somewhere (in the Holland Geerte article, I think), that
she once tried to treat a man whom she found out later had stomach ulcers.
I remember her saying how scared she was while he was throwing up more and
more blood over a period of an hour or so. She thinks that maybe after all
the dry heaving he'd done earlier, that maybe he'd torn the lining or
something, but really didn't know for sure. Doesn't sound fun to do on your
own, and I can only imagine how much worse than that it could get. And
that's just an ulcer! Not a good idea, in my honest opinion (and sounds
like a lot of others who are much more knowledgeable about these things than
me agree). If you want a link to the article, let me know. I'll do my best
to find it. Hope your friend is reading all these.
Love ya all!mcorcoran27@...
Subject:Re: [Ibogaine] Endo is a myth! Hasn't iboga taught you people anything?!? Endocarditis is a made up disease to trick people into taking there expensive antibiotics and spend long unnecessary nights in the hospital so there not out fighting the man. This shit is brought to you by the same people who invented AIDS and Hep C and we all know that those are bullshit.
In my professional opinion I recommend a small therapeutic dose (roughly 50 mg/kg) followed by a long walk in the zoo. Make sure the ibogaine is administered all at once so that not to be bothered with flooding yourself or taking those pesky boosters later on.
But above all else go in with an open heart loving yourself.
Its so good to see this list continue to evolve on such a positive level.
Next suggested topic. " Ibogaine and bungy jumping "From:ptpeet@... Subject:Re: [Ibogaine] Endo is a myth!
a walk in the zoo sounds cool.<
to see the caged animals.
Hmmm.
No, not for me, thanks. I lived across the street from the Atlanta Zoo for a year, when I was first getting into shooting heroin actually, and could hear the big cats roaring and other animals making sounds of wildlife during the nights. It was pretty cool, but still, I hate zoos- they always depress the hell outta me, and I think I might just be reminded of prison if I went right after an ibo session.
Personally I mean.
Peace and love,PrestonFrom:ekkijdfg@... Subject:[Ibogaine] bahnhof zoo - OT
reminds me of "christiane f". itīs the true story of a girl who got into heroin and prostitution at the age of 12 in the seventies in west-berlin. her hangout was the railwaystation at the zoo, still a central as well as notorious place.
we read the novel and saw the movie (with some scenes cut) at high school. the purpose was to warn us of drugs. afterwards everyone was curious how H feels like. must be sooo good if you go through all this shit to get another fix.
book and movie are still worth a glance. it also captures a certain atmosphere during the cold war after the idealism of the 68īgeneration was over. was aynway strange to grow up in a divided country where american and russian soldiers set up their nuclear missiles and impact seemed imminent.
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0553208977/qid=1122395285/sr=8-12/ref=sr_8_xs_ap_i9_xgl14/002-2931691-4133660?v=glance&s=books&n=507846
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