From: Dana Beal <dana@...>
Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2005 20:49:58 -0400
Subject: [mayday] GMM 2005 #39: WAMM March Tomorrow!; Join 59 Cities Already Signed up for May 6, 2006

Important: get your city on the list for the Million Marijuana March, May 6, 2006!

So far we have confirmed 59 cities:

Albuquerque
Amsterdam
Antwerp
Bakersfield

Basel

Bern

Birmingham

Boise
Boulder
Calgary

Capetown

Cordoba

Dallas

Darwin

Eugene
Fayetteville
Ft. Smith
Hachita
Hartford
Kansas City

Knoxville

Lausanne

Lima

Locarno
Los Angeles
Luxembourg

Luzern

Lyon
Minneapolis
Moscow

Nagaoka

Nashua

New York
Nimbin
Ogden
Paia

Paris

Phoenix

Portland

Prague

Raleigh

Rio de Janeiro

Roanoke

Rosario

Rostock
Rotterdam
Salem

San Diego

Stavanger
Steven's Point

St. Louis

Tel Aviv

Thunder Bay

Traverse City
Tucson
Vienna
Warsaw
Washington, D.C.
Zürich

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There is also some international MMM networking going on at
this CannabisCulture.com message forum:
http://www.cannabisculture.com/forums/postlist.php?Cat=&Board=current
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*****!!!Global Marijuana March--May 6, 2006:  Updates,  Reports!!!*****

FORMER OGILVY EXECUTIVES GUILTY OF OVERBILLING DRUG CZAR

Two former senior executives of the flagship New York office of Ogilvy
&  Mather  Worldwide,  part  of the WPP Group, have been sentenced and
fined after being found guilty of overbilling a federal antidrug agency
for advertising work.

Shona Seifert, who had been senior partner and executive group director
at Ogilvy New York, was sentenced yesterday by a federal district judge
in  Manhattan  to  18  months.  She  also  must  pay  a $125,000 fine.
Additionally, the judge, Richard Berman, ordered Ms. Seifert to write a
code of ethics for the advertising industry.

On Wednesday, Judge Berman sentenced Ms. Seifert's co-defendant, Thomas
Early, a former senior partner and finance director at Ogilvy New York,
to 14 months and ordered him to pay a $10,000 fine.

Ms.  Seifert  and  Mr.  Early  were found guilty in February on all 10
counts  against them: one count of conspiracy and nine of making false
claims.  The  charges  stemmed  from work Ogilvy did for the Office of
National  Drug Control Policy in 1999 and 2000; the indictment accused
them of ordering employees to alter time sheets and other documents to

make  up  for  a  shortfall  in  anticipated revenue from the account.

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From: heff01@...

State Rep. Tony DeLuca, D-Allegheny, has introduced a bill (HB 1884) that would publish the names of those arrested for possession or distribution of marijuana and hashish in local newspapers.  It would work similarly to the law for people convicted of a second offense of soliciting a prostitute, requiring the police to report the incident and a newspaper of general circulation in the community of the person's residence to print it, and to add insult to injury, the defendant would be required to pay the cost of publishing.  The fundamental difference here is that the "john law" requires not just one, but a second conviction, while HB 1884 requires no charges to be filed for a first arrest, let alone a conviction!  In other words, an innocent person or a person whom the law had no business searching to begin with could suffer irreparable harm to his reputation or even loss of a job as a result!

    Obviously DeLuca could care less if the police are conducting legal searches in enforcing his proposed bill.  Even if the police know that the arrest was unjustified and unlikely to stand in court, it still would be subject to mandatory reporting and the damage still done, regardless of whether they'd pursue the possession charge(s).  In this day and age of increasing police powers and proactivity, hundreds of thousands of otherwise law-abiding people stand to suffer unjustly if this is allowed to become law.  While many nations and US states are moving toward greater tolerance of marijuana, Pennsylvania seems intent on continuing its trend in the negative direction.  We must not allow such a bill to encourage illegal searches and "fishing expeditions."
    With such laws coming from Democrats like DeLuca, who needs the GOP majority?  Will the General Assembly ever be satisfied that our laws are tough enough?  In professions where an arrest for immoral conduct is equated with guilt, the last thing we need is a legal green light for a larger-than-ever MJ dragnet.  Let's send a message to our legislators that who gets stoned is none of our business and that they have much better things to do with their time and our tax money than encourage a further expansion of this witch hunt!---BDH

http://politicspa.com/Press_Releases/070805deluca.htm

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From: iamm@...

Pot ministers to get new trial

By COLIN PERKEL

TORONTO (CP) - Mall rats across Canada, take heart: two ministers of a church that uses marijuana in its holy sacraments have won a new trial in their quest for damages from a mall owner whose security guards arrested them for trespassing.

The Ontario Court of Appeal decided Tuesday that a lower court did not properly consider whether mall security were justified five years ago when they arrested Rev. Michael Baldasaro and Rev. Walter Tucker for trespassing. Tucker, the founder of the Church of the Universe, said the ruling should offer solace to teenagers and others who like to hang out in shopping centres.

"It's going to change the way malls treat people," Tucker said from Hamilton.

 "Maybe that's a good thing, because they were treating people with a great deal of contempt before and as though they could do what they wanted to do - and do it with impunity."

In November 2000, security employed by Cadillac Fairview at a mall in Hamilton asked the men to leave, saying they were breaking the rules by handing out campaign leaflets and buttons for the Marijuana Party.

Tucker and Baldasaro - the party's candidate for Hamilton East - maintain they offered to leave as soon as they had bought a book.

The guards said they arrested the men because they refused to go.

The pair, who represented themselves in court, sued Cadillac Fairview for false arrest and false imprisonment.

In June 2002, an Ontario Superior Court jury decided the arrests were lawful, but awarded $15,000 to Tucker, 72, because the guards had roughed him up, dragged him through the mall, and threatened to break his arm.

The judge, meanwhile, ordered Baldasaro, who is in his mid-50s, to pay $20,500 in legal costs to Cadillac Fairview.

A spokesman for the corporation praised its security teams as trained professionals who don't mistreat customers.

"Unfortunately, it's a very difficult environment," said Neil Murphy, national manager of communications for Cadillac Fairview.

"We're policing massive amounts of square feet of space."

The appeal court said the "justification to arrest is very much a live issue" that should have been left to the jury.

It also cited an earlier decision from the Supreme Court of Canada that "many trespasses are of trivial importance . . best handled by means short of an arrest," which the appeal court described as a drastic step.

Neither Baldasaro nor Tucker, who are known for their long, grey beards and colourful woven hats made of hemp, have previously complained that church members were being persecuted by police because of their faith, which advocates marijuana usage as a holy sacrament.

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Dear Brothers and Sisters,

DATE: 20050712
DOCKET: C42950
COURT OF APPEAL FOR ONTARIO
WEILER, MOLDAVER and LANG JJ.A.

Conclusion

[29]          In the result, the appeal is allowed, the judgment below is set aside and a new trial is ordered.

[30]          As the appellants were successful on this appeal they are entitled to their costs of the appeal before this court and before the Divisional Court. We fix those costs in the total amount of $3000 - inclusive of GST and disbursements - for each appellant. The costs awarded on the first trial are set aside and left to the judge hearing the second trial.

Click on either link below to view the entire Judgment and Reasons of the Court of Appeal for Ontario

which was released on July 12, 2005.

HTML Version: http://www.ontariocourts.on.ca/decisions/2005/july/C42950.htm

PDF Version: http://www.ontariocourts.on.ca/decisions/2005/july/C42950.pdf

 

Thank you for your continued interest in these matters.

Be well and prosper.

In peace, bless you, bless us all.

 

Reverend Brother Walter A. Tucker

Reverend Brother Michael J. Baldasaro

www.iamm.com 

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From: revtombrown@...

Greetings Rev. Eddy Lepp,
 
Here is a brief outline for your use.
______________________________________________________________________
 
1.   What do we want the trial of Rev. Eddy Lepp to look like?
 
We want the trial to be the occasion for the government to have to prove that Eddy's growing marijuana is a palpable threat to public health and welfare.  That proof must be factually based, supported by scientificaly produced evidence, and evaluated by the factfinder at trial according to the methods used in the Sherbert and Yoder cases.
 
And in response we want Eddy to be able to enter evidence, testimony and argument that his growing marijuana was not a threat to public health and safety.
 
2.   So what is the problem?  Can't Eddy get this kind of trial?
 
In 1878, the Reynolds decision first ruled that religious exercise that is impacted by law must be proven to be a threat to public health and safety in order for the government to be able to prohibit it.  George Reynolds v. United States, 25 L.Ed. 244 (1878).   Unfortunately, those fact based tests are not available in any other kind of case - other then a case of religious exercise.
 
To make things worse, in 1967, Dr. Tim Leary pled religious exercise defense to his possesion of marijuana on the border.  The fifth circuit ruled that Leary could not force the government to prove that marijuana hurts anyone in order to be able to enforce the marijuana prohibition on him.  Nor could Leary defend himself with proofs that marijuana and his use of it are harmless to anyone.  Since then, almost every religious use of scheduled drugs case was controled by the Leary decision.
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Leary v. U.S., 383 F.2d 851 (5th Cir. 1967)

see page 860 for denial of Sherbert  -  the court states that, "The district judge properly refused an instruction to the jury that they should acquit the defendant if they found his religious practices were in good faith.

 

"Appellant's (Leary) reliance on Sherbert . . . for authority that the constitutionally guaranteed right of free religious exercise imposes on the government the burden of showing a compelling interest in its abridgement, is misplaced and inapposite on the facts.

 

"In Sherbert the Supreme Court held that the disqualification of a member of the Seventh Day Adventist Church for unemployment benefits under the South Carolina Unemployment Compensation Act, because of her refusal to work on Saturday, imposed a burden on the free exercise of her religion.

 

"The Court in arriving at its conclusion considered whether there was 'some compelling state interest' in the statute which justified 'the substantial infringement of appellant's First Amendment right'. . . and found no such state interest. . . .

 

"Congress has made it a crime to traffic in marihuana and it was not incumbent upon the Government to produce evidence to controvert the testimony of witnesses on the controversial question whether use of the drug is relatively harmless.

 
"Thus the question is whether the conduct or action so regulated and prohibited under severe criminal penalties by Congress . . . has posed some 'substantial threat to public safety, peace or order'. . .

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3.   So that's almost every case, what about the cases that don't rely on Leary?

Well, in 1993 Congress passed the Religious Freedom Restoration Act (42 USC sec. 2000 bb et al) and made it the law that any religious use case had to be judged by the Sherbert and Yoder decisions methods.  Unfortunately the federal courts have tried to find ways to not do that.

Since then, there have been several cases published in the federal reporters that correctly rule that the Sherbert and Yoder tests must be applied at trial.  However, the judges said it in such a way that there never was any trial.  That would be the Bauer case and the Gurrero case.

In the Bauer case, the court ruled that Rastafarian personal use of marijuana could be protected by RFRA, but that the trial record did not have any evidence to support the proposition that RFRA could protect sales of marijuana and the use of the money to buy homes and property and other things that money is used for.

Of course, the Catholic Church owns the Christian Brothers Winery, which sells brandy to non-members of the church for their recreational purposes and the church uses the profits to buy churchs and pay salary's.  So we know that Rastafarian's selling marijuana should be judged by the same standards - but in Bauer they are not.

If we can get the court to agree with the general proposition set out in Bauer - then we should be able to enter evidence about Eddy's growing to support his church work in the same ways that the Catholic Church runs bingo gambling, has unregulated bake sales and mardi gras, and sells liquor to finance the church.

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United States v. Bauer, 75 F.3d 1366 (9th Cir. 1996)

 

Note -  Bauer is the first published federal case considering religious use of marijuana under RFRA.

 

Bauer is the first published case that overturns the Leary case ( see page 373 and 375 in this report on Bauer below )  ( see Leary on page 8 below where the Marijuana cases are reported. )

 

Bauer overturns Leary because RFRA requires the Sherbert and Yoder tests and Leary specifically exempts the drug laws from the Sherbert test.

 

Since Bauer is a RFRA case that requires the Sherbert test, the Leary case is not valid or binding precedent as a matter of law.          

 

The Yoder case had not yet been decided in 1967 when the Leary case came into court.

 

Bauer is published in both the 75 Federal Reporter Third Edition and the 84 F.3d.  Be aware of the change from 75 to 84.

 

see page 1373 for Leary cite. "Relying on several earlier appellate cases, the district court held, however, 'that the government has an overriding interest in regulating marijuana'.  The district court quoted Leary. . ."

 

see page 1375  "The district court treated the existence of the marijuana laws as dispositive of the question whether the government had chosen the least restrictive means of preventing the sale and distribution of marijuana.

"The district court relied on a drug case decided before the enactment of RFRA (Leary).

"We do not exclude the possibility that the government may show that the least restrictive means of preventing the sale and distribution of marijuana is universal enforcement of the marijuana laws.

"Under RFRA, however, the government had the obligation,

 

"first to show that the application of these laws to the defendants was in furtherance of a compelling governmental interest and,

 

"second to show that the application of these laws to these defendants was the least restrictive means of furthering that compelling governmental interest."

 

see page 1376  "III.  EXTRAORDINARY FUNDS FOR THEOLOGY EXPERT" 

 

see page 1381  "NOONAN, Circuit Judge, Dissenting from part I."

 

United States v. Bauer, 84 F.3d 1549 (9th Cir 1996)

see page 1559  "The court may conduct a preliminary hearing in which the defendants will have the obligation of showing that they are Rastafarians and that the use of marijuana is a part of the religious practice of Rastafarians."  

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Then again, we have the Gurrero decision on Rastafarian use of marijuana.  That case says that RFRA applies, but the court ruled that it was obvious - without any evidence in the record to support this - that Guam was endangered by marijuana and therefore there was a compelling interest to prohibit Benny Gurrero from importing any marijuana.  The problem being that the appellate court was anxious to rule even though there was no evidence to rule on - other then the fact of the drug law - remember Leary?

And we have the UDV Church cases.  In that church, they use hoasca tea, made in Brazil, which contains DMT - a powerful hallucinogenic chemical which is declared a Schedule I drug - like marijuana.  And now we are at the nut.  In UDV the court cites the case of Rev. Tom Brown for the proposition that Brown failed to prove that his growing of marijuana did not cause a threat to public health and safety under RFRA, and that therefore the government should not be concerned that a "slew" of new cases might come up using RFRA to avoid marijuana prohibition if the panel OK's the UDV church use of hoasca.

In the case of United States v. Brown, 72 F.3d 134 (8th Circuit 1995) (table), the district court simply said that the drug laws in and of themselves proved that the government has a compelling interest in enforcing them.  The district court never even quoted whatever section of the law that said that, or made a written ruling on the issue.  Fortunately the Eighth Circuit panel could rread the judges mind and they knew what he meant - so that's what they wrote in the decision reported in the 72 Federal Reporter Second, except that they didn't publish what they said so unless you go to the courthouse, you won't know that they said.

But the 10th Circuit district court judge could read minds also, from a distance, so he felt comfortable citing the Brown case in the UDV Church case.

_________________________________

O Centro Espirita v. Ashcroft, 282 F. Supp. 1236 (August 12, 2002)
 
page 1247.   "As the Government observes, the use of DMT reported on the internet differes in scale form the UDV's use, and the authorities may have chosen to target the UDV for reasons other than religion.  The Government notes that 'the possiblity that an internet account of a single dose may be accurate and could be reliably traced to the perpetrator cannot compare to the actual interception of 3,000 doses of an illegal substance being imported for distribution."
 
page 1252.   "However, the Plaintiffs (UDV Church) also raise a religious freedom claim that has a statutory, rather than Constitutional basis." (RFRA).
 
page 1253.   "First, as observed above, the Government concedes for purposes of this motion that the UDV is a religion, and that the application of the Controled Substances Act to the UDV's cerimonial use of hoasca substantially burdens the Plaintiff's practice of their religion."
 
page 1253.   "United States v. Meyers, 95 F.3d 1475. . ."
 
page 1253.   "United States v. Bauer, 84 F.3d 1549. . ."

page 1253.   "Guam v. Guerrero, 290 F.3d 1210. . ."
 
page 1253.   "There is a second major distinction betrween the present case and the caess involving claims that the principles of religious freedom reflected in the Free Exercise Clause and RFRA should be interpreted as permitting the sacramental use of marijuana.  This distinction stems from the significant differences in the charecteristics of the drugs at issue.  Affirming a trial court's denial of a criminal defendant's request to rely in RFRA as a defense to marijuana charges, the Eighth Circuit states "that the government has a compelling state interest in controling the use of marijuana."  United States v. Brown, 72 F.3d 134 (8th Circuit 1995) (table). (this is Rev. Tom Brown's case) (no Sherbert or Yoder in this case.)

page 1254.   "United States v. Greene, 892 F.2d 453, 456-57 (6th Circuit 1989) ("Every federal court that has considered this issues has accepted Congress's determination that marijuana poses a real threat to individual helath and social welfare and had upheld criminal penalties for possesion and distribution efven where such penalties may infringe to some extent on the free exercise of religion.") (no Sherbert or Yoder.)
 
page 1254.   "United States v. Middleton, 690 F.2d 820, 825 (11th Circuit 1982), quoting Leary v. Unites States, 383 F.2d 851, 860-61 (5th Circuit 1967) ("It would be difficult to imagine the harm which would result if the criminal statutes against marihuana were nullified as to those who claim the right to posses and traffic in this drug for religious purposes.") (no Sherbert in this case - Yoder was not decided at that date.)
 
page 1254.   "Marshall v. United States, 38 L.Ed.2d 618 (1974)."
 
page 1254.   "United States v. Oakland Buyers Club, 149 L.Ed.2d (2001)." (no Sherbert or Yoder.)
 
page 1254.  "Under RFRA, Congress mandated that a court may not limit its inquiry to general observations about the operation of a statute.  Rather 'a court is to consider whether the application of the burden to the claimant is in furtherance of a compelling governmental interest and is the least restrictive means of furthering that compelling governmental interest. 42 U.S.C. sec. 2000bb-1(b)."
 
page 1255.   "This Court cannot find, based on the evidence presented by the parties, that the Government has proven that hoasca poses a serious health risk to the members of the UDV who drink the tea in a ceremonial setting.  Further, the Government has not shown that permitting members of the UDV to consume hoasca would lead to significant diversion of the substance for non-religious use.  The Court bases its determinations on the following facts. . ."
 
__________________________
 
 
4.   What is the problem with the UDV Church case?
 
Well as we see above, the UDV judge has quoted from a lot of old cases that derive from Leary, including the Brown case of 1995.  As it stands right now, it is a toss up whether or not Eddy's judge would go with UDV or Bauer/Gurrero as precedent.  And even if they go with Bauer/Gurrero, there is no guarantee that they will allow a full RFRA defense - unless the attorneys are aggressive in documenting the need for and arguing for that.
 
Which brings us to the complication in all this.  The UDV case is now in the US Supreme Court and will be ruled on sometime before Christmass 2005.
 
If the Supreme Court makes the same ruling that the UDV court made - Eddy can be screwed out of his Sherbert and Yoder tests.  This situation is complicated by the fact that the UDV lawyers insist that they will not object to that.  They are working for the UDV Church and no other.  They are not here to defend RFRA and to ensure it's application to all drugs.  They are only there to defend the UDV Church use of Hoasca tea.
 
So, the Supreme Court is now considering RFRA, what it means and how it works.  They will rule on that question.  Once they rule, that will be the ball game for Eddy and any other religious use of marijuana case.
 
So, we win Eddy's case, or we lose Eddy's case, by the way that the Supreme Court rules on the UDV Church case.

5.   So what can we do about that?
 
Well, what I am doing is I am filing a Writ of Habeas Corpus to the Supreme Court since the UDV case cites my unpublished decision and I have objected to denial of due process that has resulted in the conviction of a factually innocent person.  Any other person whose case is cited in the UDV case, and who objects to the original deicison in their case or to the use of it in UDV -  they can also file a Writ in their own name.
 
For the hundreds of other marijuana churchs, their only option is to file an Amicus Curie brief to the Supreme Court - within the timeframe for the UDV Church lawyers to file their response to the government's arguments.  If those churchs - read Eddy's Medicinal Gardens and Multidenominational Ministry of Cannabis and Rastafari - file the Amicus they obtain "stakeholder" status and get to make arguments on issues that will affect them - by the way the Supreme's decide UDV.

If we fail to object to the way the UDV decisions mistate and misconstrue the Sherbert and Yoder tests as applied to the marijuana churchs, then we have no grounds to object to whatever the Supreme's cook up for us.
 
The fundamental objection is that the prior decisions on marijuana churchs did not use the Sherbert and Yoder tests - they didn't - and that RFRA calls for their use.
 
If the Supreme's come down saying that RFRA applies to the drug laws, that RFRA can force exemptions to the drug laws, and that such exemptions can be recognized in spite of the terms of the international drug treatys, then we win.  If they say something less, we will continue to lose.
 
So that is the nut.  Now crack it, please!
 
We must be able to force the government to prove that our religious exercise is going to kill someone outside the church.  That is the proof in UDV and the government failed to make it - even though Hoasca tea can be reasonably interpreted by a court as being potentially life threatening to the church member that uses it.  We know that marijuana never hurt anyone in 5,000 years of recorded history.  The DEA Adminsitrative Law Judge ruled that way in 1988.  The problem is that every single lawyer on every single case since then has sabataged our efforts to get that decision into the record.  If the Supreme's rule that the fact tests apply to the drug laws, to all the drug laws, then Eddy wins and we win too.
 
Thanks and praises for your efforts and I leave you in the,
 
One Love,  revtombrown, 
 

Rev. Tom Brown,  First Church of the Magi,  P.O. Box 2827,  Fayetteville,  Arkansas,  72702;  http://wwwfirstchurchmagi.org

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SEARCH AND SEIZURE: UTAH FEDERAL COURT JUDGES SPLIT ON WARRANTLESS DOORKNOB DRUG TESTS

Police in Utah have been using a machine that lets them search people's go to people's exterior home doorknobs for the presence of illicit drugs. Utah judges have split on the legality. http://stopthedrugwar.org/chronicle/395/drugknobs.shtml

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From: MEHEMP@...

Oh  sorry Dana ... heh , my bad.   My name is FloorTom Hayes, My organization is M.E.H.E.M.P. (Musicians & Entertainers Helping End Marijuana Prohibition). I work with the local NORML chapter  headed by Tim Teater and I also run the Local Compassion Club called the A.C.C.C.  and I'm a member of the MPP(Marijuana Policy Project) I'm the only one in Boise, I think.  lol anyway ....My address is ,  5645 Woodcross Dr. , Boise, Idaho  83716   my Phone number is (208)384-1421 ....  my website addy is www.MEHEMP.com   you can contact me through my personal E-mail  FloorTomHayes@...  or  MEHEMP@...   Oh by the way  I don't have a Cell phone  the hard line will have to do....too many mountains  up here for a cell phone to be necessary.   so  If you need anymore info  ....just  let me know ....the website is almost totally  finished ...just  loading up the galleries and FAQ pages  etc etc  ..... check it out ....    PEACE  Forever  ......     Signed: FloorTom Hayes  {Guerilla Drummer}                                                                     P.S.  here is a pic of me ....maybe we've met or you've seen me play ....or  not.....heheh  Enjoy!!!!

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From: gear2000@...

fyi

For the first time apparently since 1970 Barry Plunker stayed home and

didn't make it to the rainbow gathering apparently a condition of

his 3 month jail time this year over his role in a previous national

annual gathering.  I am going to try to get him to do a CA rainbow
tour through medical marijuana locals that might profit from a
little rainbow love energy and experience.



----- Original Message -----
From: David Crockett Williams <gear2000@...>
To: peacetribes (Barry "PLunker" Adams")<peacetribes@...>
Sent: Sunday, July 10, 2005 6:44 AM

Subject: Re: in memory of Nancy and Vicki, 1980

Thanks for this info Barry, so Beard did it and got cut loose by

our gullible media without reference to facts such as Dave's research?

Must have been hard for you to sit this one out, but I appreciated

your updates these weeks since I couldn't go either.

After a year living without amenities in a tent in the sierra foothills

and visiting the neighbors for phone and internet access etc, now

I am finishing this week moving in and setting up in my own place,

first time since ever, on 2.5acres here in "Walker Basin" bowl of

foothills just north of Tehachapi on West side of Sierra's upper

Caliente Creek area of Twin Oaks Ranches.  A rundown single

wide trailer house, another smaller Airstream trailer, my tent village

growing in the back, etc.  Main thing is now my computer is fixed

after several months down, and I have my own phone and desk.

I have flat rate long distance so gearing up to make lots of long

distance phone calls and supplement that with internet and local

client agency contracts to get cash flowing (been many years but

especially this last year trying to stay out of the money world but

now have to focus there full force).

I negotiated a lease with option to buy should the owners decide

to sell in future, but the property was left to them by their mom

who was friends with my neighbor friends who say she wanted

the property preserved for the boys future when they get their

heads together.  Both have a meth problem and one getting out

of jail over it in a month.  I gave them the ibogaine tape and both

brothers want to take it to get straight.   I hope my new business

here will offer them a finanancial future as well as many other folks.

My neighbor must have caught the national news report about

the gathering as he mentioned it around July 3.

Would like to talk to you some on the phone, if you have a number

please send or phone me and I can call you right back to pay for the call.

Beloving,

david

Here is my new business card text:

From: David Crockett Williams <gear2000@...>

Subject: General Agency Services 2005 [text]

General Agency Services

http://www.angelfire.com/on/GEAR2000/GeneralAgencyServices.html

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----- Original Message -----

From: peacetribes <peacetribes@...>

To: <peacetribes@...>

Sent: Saturday, July 09, 2005 9:19 PM

Subject: in memory of Nancy and Vicki, 1980

Howdy,

          sometimes, as in this case, the media is wrong... freeing the

wrong man... allowing some sleezy guy to say just any ole thing and get

away with it..

            beap

CBS, Court TV ignore Channel 12's role in freeing man

By Greg Paeth, Post staff reporter

The ''We Freed Jake Beard'' bandwagon is getting rather crowded.

CBS' ''60 Minutes II'' did the Jake Beard story Wednesday night, reporting

about a West Virginia man who served six years in jail for a double murder

that apparently was committed instead by serial killer Joseph Paul Franklin.

Beard, now living in Florida, was released from prison earlier this week

after being sentenced to life in prison in 1993 for the 1980 slayings of

Nancy Santamero and Vicki Durian.

Claiming its reporting was credited with getting Beard freed from prison,

Court TV aired an interview with Beard in its ''Pros & Cons'' series

Thursday.

Over at the WKRC-TV (Channel 12) newsroom, reporter Deborah Dixon and news

director Steve Minium are kind of shaking their heads, surprised that

anyone but their station could be credited with the reporting that led to

Beard's release.

Both Ms. Dixon and Minium insist the most important point is that an

innocent man has been given his freedom. But they also believe that,

if anyone deserves a pat on the back, Channel 12 should be first in line.

Ms. Dixon, who specializes in crime reporting, said Franklin - an avowed

racist who was convicted last fall of killing two Bond Hill boys with a

high-powered rifle - confessed to her about the West Virginia killings in

an interview that aired on Channel 12 in November 1996.

That interview was one of the byproducts of a long-running

reporter-newsmaker relationship she had with Franklin through the mail.

Over the years, Franklin has made a number of revelations - many of them

incriminating - to female reporters and detectives.

Ms. Dixon pointed out that Franklin said he first confessed to the West

Virginia murders in 1984, when he was arrested in Wisconsin in another

slaying.

She said Wisconsin police passed on the information to authorities in West

Virginia, who never followed up on the allega tions and wound up convicting

Beard for the killings.

Wednesday night's ''60 Minutes II'' story did not refer to Dixon's

reporting and made only a brief mention of WKRC in the closing credits.

The way the story was presented, a CBS legal correspondent dug up the

story that was presented by Charlie Rose.

''The only reason they knew about it was because I told them about it,''

Ms. Dixon said.

Minium said he knew the network wouldn't make much acknowledgement of

Channel 12's role in uncovering the story. But he said the important thing

is that it got national attention.

Ms. Dixon said she was surprised that Court TV would try

to claim any credit, because she had worked with the cable channel on its

coverage of the case.

Court TV said that Franklin's second confession came in an ''exclusive

interview with Beth Karas'' and that the channel followed up with a prison

interview with Beard.

A Court TV spokesman pointed out Thursday that the carefully worded press

release says Beard's family claims Court TV's reporting led to Beard's release.

The channel isn't claiming credit for the breakthrough in the case, he said.

''Let's just say we worked on it together and quit trying to pat ourselves

on the back,'' Ms. Dixon said Thursday.

''The whole thing is annoying to me, because it's getting in the way of

what we should be thinking about - how much he's lost and how much he's

suffered.

''I honestly think that, if that could happen to Jake Beard, it could happen to anyone.''

Publication date: 02-05-99

© Copyright 1999, The Cincinnati Post. All Rights Reserved.

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From: j_jonik@...

Decreased depression in cannabis users?
   This is yet ANOTHER reason why the corporatocracy
wants natural, public-domain cannabis out of the way.
How obvious must this be to merit discussion? 
Cannabis, for medicinal or agricultural use competes
too well with the industrial synthetics...AND exposes
the harms of the toxic/carcinogenic industrial
products.  The sooner everyone is clear about the pot
wars being basically about MONEY (making it, AND
evading liabilities and PR disasters for the
industrial alternatives), the sooner they will end.

 NORML ought repeatedly note such points:

* If a gov't official is economically linked to the
synthetic anti-depressant industries, make SURE this
info is front and center in discussions. This will not
only show the bias but serve, importantly, to educate
about WHY we have this "war on cannabis".

* If a judge or juror in any cannabis case isn't
removed from decision-making capacity if he/she has
economic links to such industries (or religious bias

against "pagan" natural plants), Constitutaionally
guaranteed Due Process is unlikely, and the crucial
Appearance of Justice is impossible.

*  Comparison of minimal, if any, Side effects of

cannabis vs. bad side effects of barely-tested, often
toxic industrial synthetics must always be available
for scrutiny, perhaps as just a reference link in
relevant articles. It is integral.

* We must not only air benefits of cannabis but
simultaneously air the HARMS of the stuff that pushed
it into ridiculous illegality. 
    - J
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

--- NORML News <letters@...> wrote:

Decreased Depression In Cannabis Users, Study Says

    Los Angeles, CA:  Adults who use cannabis report suffering from less

severe incidents and/or symptoms of depression than non-users, according

to survey data published last month in the journal Addictive Behaviors.

    Researchers at the University of Southern California analyzed survey

results from 4,400 adults who had completed The Center for Epidemiologic

Studies Depression scale (a numerical, self-report scale designed to

assess symptoms of depression in the general population).  Authors

compared "depression scores" among those who consumed cannabis

daily, once a week or less, or never in their lives.

    "Despite comparable ranges of scores on all depression subscales,

those who used once per week or less had lessdepressed mood, more

positive affect, and fewer somatic (physical) complaints than non-users,"

authors wrote.  "Daily users [also] reported less depressed mood and more

positive affect than non-users."

    Authors further noted that a separate analysis of medical cannabis

users versus recreational users "demonstrated that medical users reported

more depressed mood and more somatic complaints than recreational users,

suggesting that medical conditions clearly contribute to depression scores

and should be considered in studies of marijuana and depression.

    "These data suggest that adults apparently do not increase their risk

for depression by using marijuana," researchers concluded.

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Med Pot Activist Dies, Medicine denied

      #1116870 - Wed Jul 13 2005 03:22 PM      

POT proponent dies

http://www.sdcitybeat.com/article.php?id=3339

CityBeat was deeply saddened Tuesday morning to learn that Steve McWilliams, a long-time San Diego medical-marijuana activist, had died earlier that day. Friends said it was suicide.

McWilliams, who had to cease using medical marijuana after a 2002 arrest, suffered from chronic pain and was likely facing prison time after being charged by federal prosecutors three years ago with possessing 25 marijuana plants. A Supreme Court ruling handed down last month said that federal law prohibiting medicinal use of marijuana trumps California's voter-approved Compassionate Use Act.

CityBeat has been a supporter of McWilliams and his cause since the paper began three years ago. He was an activist in the best sense of the word, encouraging medicinal-pot users to stick to city guidelines and state law and form cooperatives so that the most ill folks would have a community to support them. More than that, he was a genuinely kind-hearted person, and we will miss him very much

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From: "Mimi Hill" <mimi@...>

To: "'Mimi Hill'" <mimi@...>

Subject: PRESS RELEASE: WAMM March this Saturday July 16th, 2005 at 12 noon on the Pacific Garden Mall Santa Cruz

Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2005 17:10:57 -0700

PRESS RELEASE

For Immediate Release

THE WO/MEN'S ALLIANCE FOR MEDICAL MARIJUANA

WAMM

309 Cedar Street #39, Santa Cruz, CA 95060

phone 831.425.0580

fax 831.425.0582

Please find our second announcement as follows for immediate release and

join us for this MARCH.

The Wo/Men's Alliance for Medical Marijuana, supporting organizations

and the community at large sponsor the WAMM March for Medical Marijuana

on Saturday, July 16th, 2005 at 12 noon on the Pacific Garden Mall, in

downtown Santa Cruz.

To join the MARCH please meet at the corner of Pacific Avenue and

Cathcart Streets at 11am. (Staging for the event begins at 11am.) The

MARCH will begin at 12pm. We will proceed walking north up Pacific to

Church Street, then assemble at Santa Cruz City Hall where we will hold

a rally & press conference at about 1pm.

We estimate more than 1,000 people will participate in this

demonstration of community solidarity opposing the recent decision of

the Supreme Court and of Congress that leaves sick and dying

Californians vulnerable to persecution from the federal government.

In a symbolic act of compassionate access WAMM patient members will lead

the March carrying live medical marijuana plants. This solemn event will

honor the 154 WAMM members who have died since WAMM's inception in 1993.

Mimi Hill

Executive Administrator

The Wo/Men's Alliance

for Medical Marijuana

(831) 425-0580

WAMM proudly sponsors:

www.wamm.org

www.santacruzvsashcroft.com

www.medical-marijuana-testimonials.org

www.wammguesthouse.org

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INTERVIEW: CALIFORNIA MEDICAL MARIJUANA PROVIDER BRYAN EPIS

Former California medical marijuana provider Bryan Epis is awaiting resentencing this month in the wake of a web of recent Supreme Court rulings. His original sentence was ten years. http://stopthedrugwar.org/chronicle/395/bryanepis.shtml

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DEPUTY DRUG CZAR SAYS AGENCY MAY SHIFT MORE FOCUS TO METH

The  White  House  official  visits  Portland,  calling meth "the most
destructive,  dangerous  .  . . drug that's come along in a long time"

On  a  two-day  tour  of Portland, Scott Burns, the White House deputy
drug  czar,  declared methamphetamine the nation's most insidious drug
problem  and  blamed  it  for  destroying  about  1.5  million  lives.

Burns'  visit  follows the release Tuesday of results from a survey of
500  sheriff's  departments  in  45 states that denounced Washington's
focus  on  marijuana  rather  than  enacting  laws  to  target  meth.

More  than  half  of those interviewed for the National Association of
Counties  survey  considered  meth  the  No.  1  drug problem in their
counties.

"We've  got  something  right in our laps that is absolutely the worst
kind  of  drug the nation has ever seen," Umatilla County Commissioner
Bill  Hansell  said  in  a  statement  Tuesday. "To not address it now
would  be  a huge mistake." Hansell is president-elect of the National
Association of Counties.

Burns'  comments  about  meth are in contrast to his office's official
position  that  marijuana  remains  the nation's most substantial drug
problem.  Federal  estimates show there are 15 million marijuana users
compared to the 1.5 million meth users.

But Burns said his agency's drug policies may be shifting.

"I  think  we would all agree methamphetamine is the most destructive,
dangerous,  terrible  drug  that's  come  along in a long time," Burns
told about 70 lawyers Wednesday at the Advanced Community
Prosecution Workshop at the Benson Hotel.

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2006 MMM world map. May 6, 2006 Million Marijuana March. Cities sorted by region. World Cannabis Day. Cannabis Liberation Day. Global Marijuana March. Worldwide since 1999. The first Saturday in May, or that weekend, or thereabouts. Rallies, marches, concerts, events, meetings, parties, raves, info-tables, stands, booths, etc..
http://www.geocities.com/tents444/mmm2006map.htm and
http://corporatism.tripod.com/mmm2006map.htm and
http://www.angelfire.com/rnb/y/mmm2006map.htm and

http://members.fortunecity.com/multi19/mmm2006map.htm
 
Click the region names in the left chart column to go to their city lists.
Click the "countries" link to go to the list of countries.

Worldwide.

MMM (Million Marijuana March).

City list and world map:

Yahoo Group:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/cannabisaction


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DRUG RAIDS: TWO UNARMED MEN KILLED IN SEPARATE DRUG RAIDS

Hair-trigger police officers in separate drug raids in Utah and Florida shot and killed unarmed men early this month. http://stopthedrugwar.org/chronicle/395/drugraids.shtml

Robert Fisk: The Reality of This Barbaric Bombing
http://www.truthout.org/docs_2005/070905Z.shtml

Jim Lobe | Fighting the Wrong War
http://www.truthout.org/docs_2005/070805D.shtml

The Los Angeles Times | Gonzales' Fatal Flaw
http://www.truthout.org/docs_2005/070805K.shtml

Chalmers Johnson | The Smash of Civilizations
http://www.truthout.org/docs_2005/070805L.shtml

Juan Cole | "The Time of Revenge Has Come"
http://www.truthout.org/docs_2005/070805M.shtml

Experts: No Good Options for Iraq
http://www.truthout.org/docs_2005/070805H.shtml

The Resurgence of the Taliban
http://www.truthout.org/docs_2005/071205H.shtml

Kerry, Clinton: Fire Rove

http://www.truthout.org/docs_2005/071205A.shtml

Permanent Patriot Act Proposed

http://www.truthout.org/docs_2005/071205C.shtml

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T H E   H U F F I N G T O N   P O S T

       

The Rove scandal continues to dominate huffingtonpost.com. Here are two blogs I posted on the story. Be sure to keep checking huffingtonpost.com for the latest.

Has the Turd Blossom Express Reached the End of the Line?
Posted July 12, 2005 at 6:56 p.m. EDT

The Rove Scandal Train is picking up momentum (even here in Nice). Just ask  Scottie McClellan, who is starting to look more and more like Ron Ziegler with every passing press briefing.

Actually, two separate Rove trains have left the station (and, no, this isn't going to be one of those old algebra problems they used to give us). The legal train and the political train -- heading along two very separate tracks. But it's now clear that the White House damage control team has decided to try and link the two. (Maybe this is one of those algebra problems: "If two trains leave the White House heading in opposite directions, one leading to a federal courthouse and the other to political Siberia, can even a Boy Genius keep both of them from going off track?")

The White House strategy is actually a very smart one. As Lawrence O'Donnell has explained in detail , the bar is set very high on proving Rove broke the Intelligence Identities Protection Act. As Victoria Toensing, who was chief counsel to the Senate intelligence committee when the law was enacted, put it, "We made it exceedingly difficult to violate." (Wonder if she passed this tidbit on to her good pal Bob Novak before he outed Plame?)

Indeed, according to the New York Times, only one person has been prosecuted under the relevant statute -- a CIA clerk in Ghana who ID'd two CIA agents to a boyfriend. (Some kind of strange pillow talk? "Yeah, tell me who's covert, baby!")

By linking the potential political fallout to the legal issue at hand, the White House can then hem, haw, and stall -- claiming that we need to let the legal system run its course -- and then hope that if special prosecutor Fitzgerald can't clear the high legal bar and indict Rove, it'll be able to claim that he's somehow been exonerated for his political sins as well.

Which, of course, is utter nonsense. Because while the legal jury may be out, the political jury is definitely in... Whether someone in a position of power and authority has acted inappropriately is not a matter of narrow legal definitions and fine semantic distinctions. Given what we already know about Rove's conversations, we can, right now, without even a single new revelation, and without reservation, say this: he is guilty of behavior that dishonored the White House and that placed the dirty politics of vindictive retribution over national security.

Ethics isn't just about what is legal or illegal. It's about what is right and what is wrong. And what Rove did was wrong -- no amount of legalistic hair-splitting will change that.

So the question is: will the press buy into the White House's attempt to put the two Rove trains on the same track? Perhaps... but after ignoring the story for weeks (hell, years!), it looks like the MSM are smelling blood in the water. ABC's Terry Moran, CBS's John Roberts, and NBC's David Gregory were all  aggressive in their questioning of McClellan at today's press briefing, and even Tim Russert weighed in on the Today show (wearing what Crooks and Liars called "his super double secret serious face"), saying, "One Republican said to me last night, 'If this was a Democratic White House, we'd have Congressional hearings in a second.'" (Don't you just love it when Tim slips on his ultimate insider status and models it like a sexy negligee?)

Here's the bottom line: let's imagine for a moment that Fitzgerald does not indict Rove. Does this in any way mitigate, excuse, or erase what Rove did? Does it take the onus off President Bush's  promise to fire the White House leaker? Of course not. Rove leaked -- and he should be fired. The Turd Blossom Express has reached the end of the line.

Today's Pile of Steaming Turd Blossom
Posted July 13, 2005 at 10:06 p.m. EDT

Sportscasters love to say that a good offense is the best defense. But, as we're seeing, in politics, an offensive offense can be a lousy defense. I mean, if Karl Rove's future -- both political and legal -- depends on the offensive that the White House and its smear machine are frantically mounting, then ol' Karl is in even bigger trouble than we thought.

Their method seems to be a shock-and-awe operation where they bombard us with any and every defense they can, hoping that something sticks. So far, nothing has. And as Harry Shearer  puts it, there is nothing like a White House press corps scorned.

Bush may be  making the claim that he can't comment until "the investigation is complete," but he and Karl obviously have no problem with allowing the sleaze machine they control at the RNC to comment freely.

The attack on Rove's critics and the renewed assault on Joe Wilson are also comically accompanied by calls for civility.

Josh Marshall has this from Sen. Norm Coleman: "We have enough to do in the Senate in minding our own business than to be sticking our noses into someone else's business. Everyone needs to cool the rhetoric, focus on the business of the people, and allow the investigation to run its course."

The sentence before this notes that the Democrats are "out of ideas" and "lack vision." Coleman the peacemaker. Yes, everybody needs to "cool" it. Just as soon we finish destroying Joe Wilson.

You know when Republicans start issuing calls for people to "cool the rhetoric" and "focus on the business of the people," they're in full panic mode.

And they're right to be. Try as they might, they just can't come up with a plausible defense that takes the stink away from what everyone -- including all non-self-deluded Republicans -- knows Turd Blossom was really doing.

Here are the GOP fabrications that are bugging me the most:

First, the question of whether or not Rove actually "named" Plame, or identified her as covert agent. It doesn't matter. Read the law, and you'll find the key phrase is "... discloses any information identifying" a covert agent.

Second, the absurd claim that Rove was just trying to discourage a reporter from writing an incorrect story -- just "doing his job," as one surrogate put it.

If that's the case, then why was Rove's act of good samaritanism on "double super secret background?" Was Karl hiding his "whistle blowing," as the Wall Street Journal called it (apparently with a straight face), because he's incredibly modest? Was he afraid he'd be fired for "just doing his job?" Does he, perhaps, believe that he's the one that's undercover?

Then there is the claim that Wilson is a Kerry supporter. And what difference, pray, does this make? Reading the law, I don't see a "Kerry supporter exemption" anywhere.

This is one element of a wider line of reasoning that somehow what Karl did was okay because "Joe Wilson has been discredited."

Leaving aside the fact that he hasn't been, you don't get to pick which covert agents' identities you reveal based on the relative merits of their spouses. If the Republicans in Congress want that to be the case, they are free to amend the law, but right now this point is utterly irrelevant.

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From:     ptpeet@...

Subject:        [Ibogaine] Re: [DrugWar] Preston you, or someone, knows the answer to this...

Max asked >What country is Ollie North wanted in for drug smuggling?<

Wanted? I'm not actually sure he's exactly "wanted" for trafficking, but I do know he's barred from entering Costa Rica, or at least was for quite some time, supposedly for life last I heard and as near as best I could find out when writing the article just below this brief excerpt by Celerino Castillo (most typos you find when reading my article were fixed before publishing, so please refrain from writing to tell me about this or that typo- it was published almost a year ago now)..

http://www.reconsider.org/tidbits/2003-03-10__Ollie's%20Contra-band_.htm

snip-

In July of 1989, Costa Rica officially declared that Oliver L. North and other Americans were barred from the country because they were part of "an organization made up of Panamanians, Colombians, Costa Ricans, and citizens of other nationalities who dedicated themselves to international cocaine trafficking."

snip-
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Lots more at the above URL, OR, you can read the following story I published in my book for the Disinformation Company (www.disinfo.com), "Under the Influence- the Disinformation Guide to Drugs. "

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Oliver North - Still In Denial

By Preston Peet

           Former U.S. Marine Lieutenant Colonel Oliver North appeared on the FOX network's news program Hannity and Colmes on February 25, 2004 and boldly declared "The fact is nobody in the government of the United States, going all the way back to the earliest days of this under Jimmy Carter, ever had anything to do with running drugs to support the Nicaraguan resistance. Nobody in the government of the United States. I will stand on that to my grave."

With this incredible statement, North was responding to statements by U.S. Presidential candidate John Kerry (D- Massachusetts), on his campaign website, that in the 1980s Sen. Kerry had helped hold Oliver North "accountable" for his actions while illegally assisting the Nicaraguan Contras wage their war. North told hosts Sean Hannity and Alan Colmes that Kerry was "wrong," that Kerry "makes this stuff up and then he can't justify it," specifically talking about the December, 1988 report titled Drugs, Law Enforcement and Foreign Policy, prepared and released by the Senate Subcommittee on Terrorism, Narcotics and International Operations, chaired by Sen. Kerry. The Kerry Committee investigated allegations that North, hired to work in President Ronald Reagan's National Security Council in 1981, and compatriots in the NSC had been funding, arming and training the Contras in contravention of the Boland Agreement, in part by illegally selling missiles to Iran and using the proceeds to fund the Contra war, and in part by working with known drug traffickers in Contra supply operations.

"Oliver North was indicted in March 1988 on 16 Iran-Contra charges," reported former DEA agent and decorated veteran Celerino Castillo in a March 8, 2003 article for ReconsiDer.org, protesting an appearance by North at a Salvation Army fundraising event near Castillo's home in Texas. "After deliberating for 64 hours over a 12-day period, the jury on May 6, 1989 returned a verdict of guilty on three counts which included: (1) aiding and abetting obstruction of Congress, (2) shredding and altering official documents, and (3) accepting an illegal gratuity from General Richard V. Secord. Judge Gesell sentenced North on July 05, 1989 to two years probation, $150,000. in fines and 1,200 hours community service..North's convictions were vacated on July 20, 1990 after the appeals court found that witnesses in his trial might have been impermissibly affected by his immunized congressional testimony." In other words, North was convicted of some charges, such as shredding much of the evidence, but got off on a technicality. North was never tried nor even charged with drug trafficking, (at least not in the U.S.- but he is barred from ever entering Costa Rica due to drug trafficking charges, along with Gen. Secord, and others) even though he enabled the trafficking of literally tons of drugs into the United States while the U.S. was busy ratcheting up the domestic War on Some Drugs and Users.

The actions Sen. Kerry is proud of investigating and subsequently holding North accountable for never included any allegations that North or anyone else in the U.S. government was directly dealing or trafficking drugs, (although there are instances on public record of active CIA agents, not merely assets, trafficking drugs into the U.S., just not in the Kerry Report) or using drug proceeds to fund the Contra war, only that North and others had not reported allegations and knowledge of drug running by certain Contra supporters and U.S. government and intelligence assets.

In one instance described in the Kerry Report, North directly intervened to help obtain a lenient prison sentence at Eglin Air Force Base federal prison camp in Florida for former Honduran general José Bueso Rosa, to help keep Bueso quiet about NSC-supported illegal covert Contra supply missions Bueso had been involved with. The U.S. Justice Department called the Bueso Rosa case the "most significant case of narco-terrorism yet discovered," as Bueso had been plotting to use the proceeds from a 345 pound cocaine shipment estimated by federal agents to be worth $40 million, intercepted on October 28, 1984 in Florida by the FBI, to assassinate Honduran President Roberto Suazo Córdoba.

North also claimed in an email message to Admiral John Poindexter on August 23, 1986, to have a "fairly good relationship" with Panamanian President and friend to drug traffickers Manual Noriega, when urging that the U.S. government work to help repair Noriega's image in the U.S. press. Poindexter wrote back, saying he had nothing against Noriega except for his "illegal activities." The New York Times had already at that point exposed Noriega's extensive ties to international drug trafficking, yet North still wanted to pay Noriega $1 million out of "Project Democracy" money, raised from the illegal sale of U.S. arms to Iran, to enlist Noriega's help in sabotaging Sandinista facilities.

The Subcommittee report, also known as the Kerry Committee Report, lists on pages 146-147, 15 entries from notebooks filled with Oliver North's own handwriting, detailing drug connections to operations which were supporting the Contras. These included references to arms in Honduras intended for the Contras which had initially been financed with $14 million in drug profits, according to a message from Secord to North, and direct knowledge of planes flying supplies south to the Contras that were returning to the U.S. full of drugs. "Numerous other entries contain references to individuals or events which Subcommittee staff has determined have relevance to narcotics, terrorism or international operations," notes the Kerry Report, "but whose ambiguities cannot be resolved without the production of the deleted materials by North and his attorneys. Accordingly, the Subcommittee continues to believe that the production of the deleted material could shed important light on a number of issues in connections with foreign policy, law enforcement and narcotics and terrorism." The 15 surviving entries taken directly from North's diaries and listed by the Kerry Report, as transcribed by the National Security Archive, an extensive online repository of declassified U.S. government documents, are as follows:
May 12, 1984.contract indicates that Gustavo is involved w/ drugs. (Q0266)
June 26, 1984. DEA- (followed by two blocks of text deleted by North) (Q0349)
June 27, 1984. Drug Case - DEA program on controlling cocaine- Ether cutoff- Colombians readjusting- possible negotiations to move on refining effort to Nicaragua- Pablo Escobar-Colombian drug czar- Informant (Pilot) is indicted criminal- Carlos Ledher- Freddy Vaughn (Q0354)
July 9, 1984. [NOTE: Portions transcribed in Kerry Report but deleted from declassified version] Call from Clarridge- Call Michel re Narco Issue- RIG at 1000 Tomorrow (Q0384)- DEA Miami- Pilot went talked to Vaughn- wanted A/C to go to Bolivia to p/u paste- want A/C to p/u 1500 kilos- Bud to meet w/ Group (Q0385)
July 12, 1984. [NOTE: Portions transcribed in Kerry Report but deleted from declassified version] Gen. Gorman-*Include Drug Case (Q0400) Call from Johnstone- (White House deletion) leak on Drug (0402)

July 17, 1984. Call to Frank M- Bud Mullins Re- leak on DEA piece- Carlton Turner (Q0418) Call from Johnstone- McManus, LA Times-says/NSC source claims W.H. has pictures of Borge loading cocaine in Nic. (Q0416)
July 20, 1984. Call from Clarridge:-Alfredo Cesar Re Drugs-Borge/Owen leave Hull alone (Deletions)/Los Brasiles Air Field-Owen off Hull (Q0426)
July 27, 1984. Clarridge:-(Block of White House deleted text follows)-Arturo Cruz, Jr.-Get Alfredo Cesar on Drugs (Q0450)

July 31, 1984. -Finance: Libya- Cuba/Bloc Countries-Drugs. . . Pablo Escobar/Federic Vaughn (Q0460)
July 31, 1984. [NOTE: Portions transcribed in Kerry Report but deleted from declassified version] Staff queries re (White House deletion) role in DEA operations in Nicaragua (Q0461)
December 21, 1984. Call from Clarridge: Ferch (White House deletion)- Tambs- Costa Rica- Felix Rodriguez close to (White House deletion)- not assoc. W/Villoldo- Bay of Pigs- No drugs (Q0922)
January 14, 1985. $14 million to finance came from drugs (Q1039)
July 12, 1985. $14 million to finance came from drugs
August 10, 1985. Mtg w/ A.C.- name of DEA person in New Orleans re Bust on Mario/ DC-6 (Q1140)
February 27, 1986. Mtg w/ Lew Tambs- DEA Auction A/C seized as drug runners.- $250-260K fee (Q2027)

One might wonder what relevance these events of some 20 years ago and more have today, or why anyone who is against the whole idea of a War on Some Drugs and Users should be bothered in the first place by officially sanctioned drug trafficking. It isn't the officially sanctioned drug running itself that is particularly galling - it's the fact that millions of people's lives were turned into living hell for daring to buy and use the very drugs that the U.S. government, through it's assets, agents and officials like Oliver North, were busy assuring entered the U.S. by the ton.

There's also the whole troubling aspect of the current War on Terror and the variety of ties North had to many bloodthirsty, murderous terrorists and countries that support them, including Iran. What was going through the minds of the folk who hired North to host a FOX News television show (War Stories with Oliver North)? How did North state such nonsense on the national airwaves as he did on Hannity and Colmes and not get called onto the carpet for it by hosts Hannity or Colmes? North wrote in an online column, February 20, 2004, again reacting to the Kerry Campaign website, that his detractors "may even cite some subcommittee hearings that Kerry held months after the close of the official investigation. His little witch hunt eventually did publish a report that was so incredibly biased as to give the word 'slander' an inadequate definition." It's a bit of a mystery that North can make this sort of comment when the Kerry Report is full of North's own diary notations, explicitly outlining a variety of drug connections to what he was doing, connections and allegations involving assets and supporters of the Contras of which he was aware yet never once reported to any proper U.S. law enforcement authorities.

"A lot of people make a lot false statements and inaccurate statements, and statements full of BS on these shows," says Peter Kornbluh, a senior analyst at the National Security Archive and editor of The Iran-Contra Scandal - the Declassified History. "Oliver North is not known for his veracity, accuracy, or frankly his honesty. One of the reasons that my organization [National Security Archive] exists is that there isn't a lot of institutional memory in this town or in this country. There isn't a real clear focus on history. People like Oliver North think they can readily get away with making inaccurate statements but luckily we do have the documentation which is why we get it up there, so people can see the record for themselves." Kornbluh is very careful to point out that, in his opinion, the U.S. government was not directly involved in trafficking drugs nor funding the Contra war with drug proceeds. "You have to be careful with your language. You don't want to be inaccurate like [North] is. The United States government was not itself involved in trafficking drugs. The Contra war was not a situation where drug smuggling was financing the war. What was happening was that we were working with drug smugglers and knew that they were smuggling drugs but really didn't care in the grand scheme of things because what was more important was to kill lots of Sandinista and Nicaraguan peasants, and wage the paramilitary war in Central America." Kornbluh disputes that notion that the Contras needed or used drug funds to support their war, but says "it doesn't really make any difference. It doesn't make it any less reprehensible that the U.S. government collaborated with drug smugglers because they had some contribution to make to the Contra war and allowed their drug smuggling to go forward. Oliver North tried to get a Honduran general [Bueso] off the hook and out of jail in the U.S. because he was less worried about a very high level drug smuggler going to prison than he was about the guy actually turning around and spilling the beans about what was going on. That in my mind is just as criminal. A lot of people thought that there was some need to have drug smuggling money in the pot. There really never was a need."

Castillo, the only DEA officer on the ground in El Salvador while NSC and CIA-run hangers 4 and 5 at Illopango Airfield were being used in Contra supply operations and for drug smuggling, points out that the person sitting behind the wheel of the getaway car outside the bank is just as guilty and is charged the same as the people who go inside with the guns. So it seems a bit like semantics to allege that because North did not have his hands on the drugs that neither he nor any other U.S. officials were involved in drug trafficking. "It's not," Kornbluh says. "It's just being historically accurate. You can be historically accurate and still come out with the same dark, ugly picture of the activities involving Oliver North and Richard Secord, and Admiral John Poindexter and others. The drug smugglers thought they were gaining protection by being part of the CIA operation as well. You had one guy, the country's largest marijuana smuggler, Michael Palmer, a pilot for the humanitarian aid side [of the Contra support operations] in 1986, but who had already been indicted for smuggling huge quantities of marijuana, for distribution and trafficking, at the time he was still flying - and being paid with US government tax dollars I might add. If you just stick to the history you already have a dark enough picture."

Robert Parry, author of Lost History- Contras, Cocaine, The Press and Project Truth, who in the 1980s while writing for the Associated Press wrote the first mainstream press articles about Oliver North's secret Contra-supply network and about Contra cocaine trafficking allegations, thinks that North was perhaps setting up a straw man argument by stating that "Nobody in the government of the United States" was using drug money to support the Contras' war. "Our stories focused more on the elements of the Contras running drugs. I don't think we ever specifically alleged that U.S. officials ran drugs. North may be making a fairly narrow point [in his comments on the Hannity and Colmes show], and I can't recall Kerry ever alleging that any specific US officials ran drugs. I think the issue was really that elements of the Contras were implicated and the strongest criticism of people in the US government was they didn't act as aggressively as they should have to stop it because of political and national security concerns. This was the point that hooked up the San Jose Mercury News [which published Gary Webb's Dark Alliance series in August 1996, outlining certain CIA assets' ties to the crack explosion in the United States, and got blasted in much of the U.S. mainstream press for publishing it] for quite a while. The game often is to overstate what people have alleged then knock it down. I think that the allegations have been that the U.S. government looked the other way as regards the evidence for whatever reasons or tried to discredit witnesses when someone came forward. In those kinds of instances I guess you could say they aided and abetted. I don't think the allegations were made that people in the U.S. government brought the drugs in or sold them on the streets. This was the parody of Gary Webb's story, that the CIA was standing on street corners in Los Angeles slinging the crack cocaine. He never said that and no one did as far as I can tell, but this became the straw man that everyone knocked down. It does sound like he's [North] maybe somewhat exaggerating Kerry's position then giving a fairly narrow response to the exaggeration."

Despite these nuances, there is no denying that Oliver North knew some of his assets were trafficking tons of drugs into the United States while there was a very expensive and deadly serious War Against Some Drugs and Users going on and getting hotter. There's no two ways about it- by allowing his assets and associates to engage in such serious and widespread trafficking, North himself was involved in that drug trafficking, especially since there is no record anywhere of his reporting these allegations to any law enforcement agencies at all. There are plenty of people currently incarcerated inside U.S. prisons on drug conspiracy charges, charges which stem solely from their not having informed law enforcement officials of their personal knowledge of ongoing drug trafficking. These people are no more guilty of explicitly trafficking in drugs than North is, in most cases much less.

Oliver North is "a chronic liar," Castillo emphatically states. "It has been proven time and time again that several arms of the United States government were involved in sleeping with the cartels, specifically during the 1980s. The CIA's final Contra report [The Hitz Report, released in two volumes, in January and October, 1998] indicates and confirmed that assets for the CIA were in fact involved in drug trafficking. The Kerry Committee also confirmed that many of the assets were heavily involved. One thing very important to keep in mind is I have the case files. I have the names, and NADIS numbers of all the traffickers that were involved in the Iran-Contra investigation, many of whom were documented as drug traffickers by other U.S. government law enforcement agencies long before I documented them. These were all people who worked with Oliver North, mainly out of Illopango." Castillo is also bothered by North's connections to genuine terrorists working for the U.S. government's Contra operations. "There's Luis Posada Carriles, the Cuban long-time CIA assert who was working for North at Illopango. He was working with ["former" CIA agent and assassin of Che Guevara] Felix Rodriguez. What the hell was this guy, this terrorist who blew up a Cuban civilian airliner full of civilians in the 1970s, doing working for the US government at Hangers 4 and 5 at Illopango Airbase?"

In a just world, Oliver North would be doing prison time (or rather, non-violent citizens doing time for drugs wouldn't be). It is disheartening that he is able to get away with statements such as he made on Hannity and Colmes and in his column when so many U.S. citizens have served and are now serving time for using, buying and selling the very same drugs he insured made it into the U.S. Whether or not Oliver North or anyone else in the U.S. government ever sat down and plotted to sell drugs is almost irrelevant in this case - the fact remains that there were U.S. officials, agents, politicians and assets who all knew the trafficking was happening but did nothing to stop it, or worse actively participated in the trade and protected the traffickers from law enforcement. The CIA went so far as to institute a Memorandum of Understanding in March 1982 with the U.S. Department of Justice that explicitly allowed the CIA to NOT report drug trafficking by CIA and other U.S. government assets and "non" agents. The MOU exempted them from an Executive Order (E.O. 12333) signed by President Reagan in 1981 requiring any U.S. officials to report drug trafficking by U.S. employees. By changing the classification of thousands of agents to non-agents, or asset status, the CIA and others, like North, were and are able to claim it wasn't actually U.S. government employees who were trafficking, but rather merely private entrepreneurs who took advantage of their covert status to line their pockets while helping the Contras.

The disturbing fact is that certain U.S. government, military and intelligence factions have and will continue working with drug traffickers around the globe, as is the situation today in Afghanistan. There U.S. forces are on the ground working with Northern Alliance forces, which have replanted poppies and are churning out record crop sizes since U.S. forces went in to Afghanistan, completely reversing the Taliban's near complete extermination of Afghanistan's poppies. U.S. Deputy Secretary of State Richard Armitage recently told the September 11 Commission that prior to September 11, the U.S. could not openly work with the Northern Alliance due to pesky details such as their drug trafficking, but since September 11 the U.S. government has been able to work around those details. This obviously doesn't mean that the Northern Alliance has stopped growing poppies, just that political considerations allow the U.S. to turn a blind eye once again to massive drug trafficking by their allies. There's nothing inherently wrong with poppies nor any other currently illegal drugs, but so long as there is a U.S. taxpayer-funded War on Some Drugs and Users underway, U.S. officials, including the FOX-employed Oliver North, should not be allowed to profit in any way off the illegal drug trade, since the drug using citizenry in the United States has to pay for those alliances with their blood and their very lives.

Peace and love,
Preston Peet

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>What country is Ollie North wanted in for drug smuggling?

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From:     HSLotsof@...

Subject:        [Ibogaine] ibogaine at the college of problems of drug dependence conference

POSTER SESSION I (Breakfast) Odd-numbered posters manned first hour;
Even-numbered, second hour Set-up time begins Sunday 1:00 PM Must be removed by Monday
12:30 PM
Room:Exhibition Hall 8:00 - 10:00 AM
Poster Board: 118

Date: Monday, 6/20/2005
Time: 8:00 A.M. - 10:00 A.M.

Offshore Investigations of the Non-Addictive Plant Alkaloid Ibogaine: 1996 to
2004

D.C. Mash, L. Duque, J.D. Kamlet, F.D. Ervin and K. Allen-Ferdinand
University of Miami School of Medicine, Miami, FL, McGill University,
Montreal, Canada and Healing Visions, St. Kitts, WI

The apparent ability of ibogaine to interrupt dependence on heroin and
cocaine was first described in the early 1960s. Anecdotal accounts of the acute and
long-term effects of ibogaine have included only a small series of case
reports of opiate and cocaine addicts(Sheppard, 1994; Sisko, 1993; Alper et al.,
1999) with observations provided for only 7, 4 and 14 subjects, respectively.
Thus, objective investigations of ibogaine's effects on craving for drugs and
alcohol and on the signs and symptoms of opiate withdrawal are not available. We
have evaluated the safety and pharmacokinetics of ibogaine in the setting of
an inpatient detoxification in over 400 patient volunteers assessed from 1996
to the present. We have attempted to collect data from this study using Food
and Drug Administration guidelines for good clinical practices. Our clinical
experience to date indicates that ibogaine has little toxicity in doses ranging
from 1 to 14 mg/kg. Oral administration of ibogaine to opiate-dependent
individuals was associated with significant blockade of the characteristic
opiate-withdrawal signs and symptoms. We have also examined whether ibogaine affects
drug craving using multidimensional craving questionnaires for heroin and
cocaine. To the extent that physical, psychological, and emotional well-being might
impact their self-reports of craving during their course of stay, participants
also completed standardized questionnaires about their health both before and
after ibogaine treatment and at program discharge. To assess whether the
benefits of ibogaine on drug craving would persist outside of a controlled
environment, one month follow-up data were also collected. The results of ibogaine
research conducted offshore indicates that ibogaine diminishes drug cravings and
improves mood. Ibogaine may an adjunct to brief intervention to help patients
to reduce risky or hazardous drug and alcohol use. Ibogaine also motivates
some drug-dependent patients to enter treatment with the goal of long-term
abstinence. (Supported in part by the Addiction Research Fund).
Keywords:
ibogaine

treatment

withdrawal

opiate





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POSTER SESSION I (Breakfast) Odd-numbered posters manned first hour;
Even-numbered, second hour Set-up time begins Sunday 1:00 PM Must be removed by Monday
12:30 PM
Room:Exhibition Hall 8:00 - 10:00 AM
Poster Board: 119
Date: Monday, 6/20/2005
Time: 8:00 A.M. - 10:00 A.M.

Structured Elicitation Narrative Reveals a Variety of Ibogaine Experiences

L. Duque, C. Foord, B. Page and D.C. Mash

University of Miami School of Medicine, Miami, FL

Ibogaine is an indole alkaloid contained in the root bark of tabenanthe
iboga. Ibogaine has been used in equatorial Africa in a ritual context associated
with the Fang Bwiti religion. In the present study, the psychological and
subjective effects of ibogaine were evaluated in patients that met DSM-IV criteria
for dependence on cocaine (N=30; 10 females, 20 males) or opiates (N=30; 11
females, 19 males). Subjects narrated their subjective experience. The
interviewer trained in open-ended elicitation techniques, elicited descriptions of the
acute drug effects. After the initial stimulus question, the interviewer used

a guide questionnaire to assure that key areas of content received coverage in

each interview. The areas of content focused on sensations and perceptions,
and interpretations of the experience. A content coding scheme was developed to
catch key elements from the narrative. Cross coding was repeated until the
coders achieved greater than 90% agreement. The Hallucinogenic Rating Scale
(HRS, Strassman et al., 1994) was used to assess acute subjective responses. There
appears to be common elements to the subjective experiences of drug-dependent

patients treated with ibogaine. Ibogaine was administered as a single p.o.
dose (10 mg/kg) with an acute onset of between 30 to 90 minutes. The duration of
the active 'waking dream stage' was from 4 to 8 hours depending on the
subjects CYP2D6 genotype. All of the sixty subjects reported the experience of
visual phenomena from ibogaine. Approximately 40% (N=24) of the subjects reported
that they relived their negative experiences that resulted from past drug
abuse. Visions of previous early life events were reported by 30% (N=18) of all
participants, with 43% (N=26) reporting visions of self as a child. One-fourth
of the subjects had a vision of their own death and 10% reported death content
with respect to others. Emotional and cognitive effects were marked in these
subjects. The unique subjective effects of ibogaine may be developed as an
adjunct to brief intervention to more effectively promote abstinence in
drug-dependent populations.
Keywords:

Ibogaine

treatment

substance abuse

From:     rickstrcat@...

Subject:        Re: [Ibogaine] a victory note from the battlefield

From: HSLotsof@...
Reply-To: ibogaine@...
To: ibogaine@...
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] a victory note from the battlefield
Date: Thu, 7 Jul 2005 16:17:58 EDT

Hi Ben,

Can you provide information on dose of ibogaine and effects as well as,
amount and type of prior and/or current opioid use?

Sure.  Before this I was taking random amounts of random opiates that I could stabilize at any time to about the equivalent of 180mg - 250mg of codeine per day without any discomfort.

In terms of dosages, I started with a packet of 500mg ibogaine.  From that packet I poured out 1/2 ~= 250mg into a very small dish.  From that dish I poured out half ~= 125mg into a second similar dish.  From that dish I poured out half ~= 62.25mg into a third dish and from that I poured out half into a fourth tiny dish ~= 32mg.  The last, smallest amount, for me, is > 1mg/kg and < 2mg/kg.  All doses were taken intranasally with about 1 hour between doses.  There were no really noticable effects from the first 2 32mg doses.  After the third (65mg) dose I laid down for a few minutes with eyes closed and had a very clear, pleasant visual of driving down the coastal highway near Point Reyes.  This was the only visual and it lasted less than a minute.  After taking the final does I felt a warm, somewhat intense and mostly pleasant physical sensation.  The were no symptoms of nausea at all. During the whole process, I nibbled through one vicodin tablet (mostly at the beginning).

The next day, even though I felt no special craving, I wanted to find out whether my body had really reverted to pre-ibogaine tolerances for opiate-like substances, so I took half of a 5mg oxcycodone tablet to find out.  It had.


Hope this helps.


Thanks

Howard

In a message dated 7/7/05 10:19:08 AM, rickstrcat@... writes:

<< I just woke up after a low dosage self-therapy last night to overcome a
low-level addiction to opiates.  The feeling now is a quiet, happy sense of
empowerment.  After the kind help of someone to help me get the ibo, I did
this on my own, carefully determining the dosages after studying the internet
resources and retreating into my little meditation shrine to read Dharma
books after each dosage and listening to traditional Tibetan music toward
the end.  For me this experience underlines the truth that, ultimately, we
all can - and must - become our own therapists.

This message isn't for everyone, since I know there are some who may
disagree - I wish them all well.  For those few though who insist on doing

things in your own time, in your own space and in your own way, and who have
the insight to do it: this message is for you: don't be afraid - there's a

way. >>

From:     rickstrcat@...

Subject:        Re: [Ibogaine] a victory note from the battlefield

From: HSLotsof@...
Reply-To: ibogaine@...
To: ibogaine@...
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] a victory note from the battlefield
Date: Fri, 8 Jul 2005 21:23:38 EDT

Interesting report.  Thanks

Howard

Yoiu're more than welcome.  Btw, I'd just add that if I were doing this again, I'd probably take closer to 800mg to be sure of binding the ibogaine (or noribogaine, whichever it is that binds) to as many opiate receptors as possible.

Also, in case it wasn't clear, the dosage sequence was from smallest (32mg) to largest (250mg) each dose separated by about an hour.

In case this isn't well known, there's a provider of certified quality ibogaine that accepts orders online at www.ethnogarden.com , though they won't deliver to US addresses.

After having experienced the radically more unpleasant and demeaning alternatives to ibogaine, I want to add my voice to the many others saying that the present US laws against ibogaine are nothing short of insane.

And thanks to /you/ Howard - you're the man.

On 7/8/05, IBEGINAGAIN@... <IBEGINAGAIN@...> wrote:

 Hiya List,
       Yeah.  We've been invited to incorporate the use of ibogaine into two
already existing clinics located in both Tijuana and Cancun.  Information
about treatments is forthcoming either on a separate site or on mine very
soon.  And yes, prices are in a range considerably less than what is
available.  And yet there will be docs and nurses on hand..
       Dr. Tom, who has been posting on the list, is overseeing activities,
as well as myself.  Between us we've conducted over 630 treatments and feel
good about what we're doing, confident about the protocols we're using and
thankful to be involved in making treatments available as inexpensively and
safely as we have already been during these past several years.
      It's going to take a couple of weeks or so to include the specifics.
If you like, please leave a message on the 888 no. on my site with a no. so
i can call you and i'll do so. The phone's good for me as i'm up to about 4
1/2 wpm here.  Thanks.

                       Peace, illusive Peace to all,

                   Eric

From:     ekkijdfg@...

Subject:        Re: [Ibogaine] Kratom

i recently got a 10g sample of kratom resin extract. black and sticky. dissolved in hot water and with lots of honey it still tasted terrible. gave a nice effect but very mild lasting about 5 hours.


Am 12.07.2005 um 16:49 schrieb Preston Peet:

your dose of 20-30 grams ive read is a threshold dose, while 50
grams made into tea is an extreamly strong dose.<

50 grams? What does this stuff look like? Is it stems and roots, bark or other vegetable matter like that, or is it an extract, so you've got this huge mass of powder? I mean, boiling 50 grams of anything (other than fresh shrooms) seems like a lot of matter to be boiled. So, again, what exactly does this stuff look like, because I'm wondering about the size of the pot needed to actually do the boiling.

Thanks kindly.

From:     Learntwolive@...

Subject:        Re: [Ibogaine] Kratom

I boil 50grams at a time.  Yep, it is a pot full, that's for sure.  After boiling it twice, I re-boil the solution to reduce/concentrate the amount left.

I've gotten the Leaf's (used that for the tea) and have gotten the powder in pill form.  Today I used about 10 grams of pills.  It definitely didn't have the same effect of 30 grams of tea.  But it did take the sniffles and sneezing away.  I thought ingesting the total powder, that it would be stronger.  Maybe I'll try 20mg pills tomorrow.
 
I have some "super Kratom" coming.  Supposedly twice as strong.  I believe it was in powdered form.  I have read that you take the powder and just mix it with OJ or something.  Maybe coffee would help extract the good part of the powder before drinking.  I dunno.. any comments on how to use Powder? 

  
The extract sounds like its a lot easier.  Not sure how it measures up price wise. 
  
Bottom line, it sure helps my mornings. 
  
I actually had 2nd thoughts about posting my good results.  Since "The Man" is always watching,  it will only be a matter of time when they cut this supply off, so the pharmacies can resell it to you at 1000% increase in price!

 

From:     abductmeplease@...

Subject:        RE: [Ibogaine] Re: [DrugWar] Preston you, or someone, knows the answer to this...

How do you set up a new topic?

HI people just some thoughts ? and a ramble

I wonder if people are aware of the National Treatment Agency (NTA) here in the UK?  This is a government health authority set up to look at substance misuse services. Their slogan is more treatment, better treatment, fairer treatment familiar? They set this system up called the models of care ? its looks at existing services breaks them down into tiers such as 1, 2, 3, 4 typically tier one is GP, tier two voluntary sector counselling/ advice/ drop in, counselling type stuff. Tier three where I work is statutory specialist agency? typically the folk that have the funding for in patient detox and res rehab etc. Then tier 4a, which is detox, and rehab then tier 4b specialist stuff such as liver units etc.


The NTA have set various targets that agencies must meet to secure ongoing funding. One of the main targets is waiting times. They say that from initial assessment an individual must be in treatment within 3 weeks (one week if your in the criminal justice system) treatment usually means methadone, subutex res rehab etc. The models of care only deals with illicit, usually class A drugs users. This leaves the folk battling with societies favourite drug ? alcohol pissing in the wind. They are developing models of care for alcohol too- probs 3 years before any money comes though.

The agency I work for offer 4 clinics appointment each week with 5 people booked in each. The assessments take approx 30 mins and are aimed at gathering information only, hopefully leading to a referral to the relevant service at the end. If you are already in the criminal justice system or have tested positive whilst in custody this means that you are likely to get a script within 1 week. If you?re out grafting day and night but haven?t been caught yet you could be waiting up to 8 months. If you are screwing yourself over with alcohol then you will wait even longer ? Think back to the afore mentioned targets! A joke? I think so just not funny for the folk literally dying waiting- each agency has to submit data to the NTA which on the face of it look like we are hitting the targets when in fact they are no were near that ? as with most things statistics can be made to fit the fattest of lies.

I wonder what other nations have in comparison to this can you shed any light good people? ?

Methadone and the likes while I?m sure helps some folk just seems to me to be a money making scam designed to turn folk in to more secure addicts quite happy to plug into the system and if their really lucky get meaningless employment and add to the cogs of the this so called life. Come to think of it what is meaningful employment?? Are we all not working- usually for more of our lives than not ? breaking our backs to maybe reach the dizzy heights of mass debt of house, car, credit card hell. Why and how did this happen ? People are starving and dying left right and centre and the system appears to be stamping its mark everywhere ? how did the minority create soo many slaves of the majority? Do we really get that much pleasure out of gadgets and gismos while forgetting about the splendour of the earth?? Each other ? and ourselves ?

It seems that proper research into ibogaine is hampered as it might actually help people ? man that hurts ? churn out the bullshit medical wand of hell tablets onto everyone and stuff the plants and things of the earth that really help? Care, love beauty everything has a bloody price tag attached and if it hasn?t we don?t want to know ?


Surly we as intelligent beings of earth can create something that includes and loves us all?? Before we just disappear up our own arses like the fools we seem desperate to be.

Any thoughts and ideas on a complete system change would be lovely to read??

Much love-

Chris

From:     nick227@...

Subject:        RE: [Ibogaine] Re: [DrugWar] Preston you, or someone, knows the answer to this...