Note: The netfirms.com MMM links below no longer work.
For a May 6, 2006 MMM city list and world map go here:
http://members.fortunecity.com/multi19/mmm2006map.htm


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Dana Beal <dana@...> wrote:

From: Dana Beal <dana@...>
Date: Sun, 3 Jul 2005 21:31:08 -0400
Subject: [mayday] GMM 2005 #37: Rove Ratted Plame; Capetown, Prague Make 58 Cities Already Signed up for May 6, 2006

Important: get your city on the list for the Million Marijuana March, May 6, 2006!

So far we have confirmed 58 cities:

Albuquerque
Amsterdam
Antwerp
Bakersfield

Basel

Bern

Birmingham
Boulder
Calgary

Capetown

Cordoba

Dallas

Darwin

Eugene
Fayetteville
Ft. Smith
Hachita
Hartford
Kansas City
Knoxville

Lausanne

Lima

Locarno
Los Angeles
Luxembourg

Luzern

Lyon
Minneapolis
Moscow
Nagaoka

Nashua

New York
Nimbin
Ogden
Paia

Paris

Phoenix
Portland

Prague
Raleigh

Rio de Janeiro

Roanoke

Rosario

Rostock
Rotterdam
Salem

San Diego

Stavanger
Steven's Point
St. Louis

Tel Aviv

Thunder Bay

Traverse City
Tucson
Vienna
Warsaw
Washington, D.C.
Zürich

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There is also some international MMM networking going on at
this CannabisCulture.com message forum:
http://www.cannabisculture.com/forums/postlist.php?Cat=&Board=current
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Million Marijuana March. Banners, posters, handbills,
flyers for 2004 and 2005 MMM. Adapt for your needs! Click:
http://gallery.marihemp.com/mmm2004flyers
http://gallery.marihemp.com/mmm2005flyers
Or go to this other big MMM photo gallery. Click:
http://gallery.encod.org/mmm
and then click on "mmm2004"
and then "Banners Posters Handbills"
 
Many of the MMM 2004 banners, posters, flyers, and
handbills were converted from PDF files to the gif and jpg
images found here. The freeware Adobe Acrobat Reader and the
freeware IrfanView were used.
http://www.adobe.com/products/acrobat/readstep2.html

http://www.irfanview.com - IrfanView is a free image editor
that is useful for adapting these flyers and banners for
your needs. Download the full-size gif images since they use
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easily edit, reduce, or enlarge gif and jpg images.

*****!!!Global Marijuana March--May 6, 2006:  Updates,  Reports!!!*****

From: tents444@...

Hi Dana,
 
I am also sending this to Piotr. Since he also has a 2006 city list.
 
Thanks for starting the 2006 MMM/GMM city list early on, Dana. I finally got mine up to date with the cities on your 2006 city list.
http://www.geocities.com/tents444/mmm2006map.htm and
http://corporatism.tripod.com/mmm2006map.htm and
http://www.angelfire.com/rnb/y/mmm2006map.htm and
http://members.fortunecity.com/multi19/mmm2006map.htm
 
Your 2006 city list, though, is missing Cape Town. See my list for the links, addies, etc..
 
When you add Cape Town then your city list will have 57 cities. As does mine now.
 
regards,
eco man

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From: xchaos@...

Dana Beal wrote:

> Important: get your city on the list for the Million Marijuana March, May 6, 2006!
> So far we have confirmed 56 cities:

57, Prague, as usual.

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2006 MMM world map. May 6, 2006 Million Marijuana March. Cities sorted by region. World Cannabis Day. Cannabis Liberation Day. Global Marijuana March. Worldwide since 1999. The first Saturday in May, or that weekend, or thereabouts. Rallies, marches, concerts, events, meetings, parties, raves, info-tables, stands, booths, etc..
http://www.geocities.com/tents444/mmm2006map.htm and
http://corporatism.tripod.com/mmm2006map.htm and
http://www.angelfire.com/rnb/y/mmm2006map.htm and

http://members.fortunecity.com/multi19/mmm2006map.htm
 
Click the region names in the left chart column to go to their city lists.
Click the "countries" link to go to the list of countries.
Worldwide.

With less than 5% of the world's population
the USA has over 2.2 million of the world's
9 million prisoners!:
http://corporatism.netfirms.com/rates.htm and
http://corporatism.netfirms.com/world.htm

MMM (Million Marijuana March).
City list and world map:
http://corporatism.netfirms.com/mmm2005map.htm
Yahoo Group:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/cannabisaction


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From: Vigilius Haufniensis
To: drugwar@...
Cc: the lawyerdude ; project grasp ; chacon
Sent: Thursday, June 23, 2005 12:43 PM

Subject: [DrugWar] Pain Relief in the 'Land of Plenty'


http://www.lewrockwell.com/orig6/douglass1.html

Pain Relief in the 'Land of Plenty'

by William Campbell Douglass II, MD

God have mercy on you if you live in this "Land of
Plenty" and develop some form of horrific pain. You'll
end up with "plenty" alright: plenty of unnecessary
pain and suffering. The government is so obsessed with
"fighting" drugs that they've destroyed the ability of
doctors to reduce suffering among their patients.

A recent example of this, published in The New York
Times, is typical of the mess we are in. Five years
ago, Frank Fisher, M.D., was arrested by goons from
the California Gestapo (known as the Attorney
General's office) and charged with drug trafficking
and murder. And what was Dr. Fisher actually guilty
of? He was guilty of relieving his patients' severe
pain with legal narcotics for which he had a license
to prescribe. After five months in jail, loss of his
home and practice, he was released and told it was all
a mistake. The patients who had died succumbed from
their injuries or from medical illnesses, not from the
narcotics Dr. Fisher prescribed. But these "apologies"
(if you can call them that) are too little too late
for Dr. Fisher and his family: His practice and his
reputation are ruined. And who's going to compensate
them? No one. The state is the state. It has no sense
of responsibility or morality. It is not a source for
good, as pinko liberals think in their childish minds.
It is a continuous source of evil.

Dr. Fisher's case is not at all unusual. Even patients
are not immune. Richard Paey, a patient suffering from
intractable pain, was unable to obtain enough Percocet
to relieve his pain, so he forged undated prescription
forms his doctor had given him to get what he needed
to relieve his misery. He refused to take a plea
bargain when charged as he maintained he was innocent.
He never sold a pill; he paid for the medication, and
maintained he was being denied his right to pursue a
pain-free life. So he received a 25-year sentence for
pleading not guilty. He is now in jail, in a
wheelchair, and on a morphine pump.
Cops take charge of your medical care

To understand the duplicity of the Drug Enforcement
Agency (DEA) and to be clear as to whose side they are
on, consider their behavior earlier this year. They
publicly acknowledged the need for a "principle of
balance" to address the necessity of access to pain
medications. Their document was, according to Dr.
Sally Satel who authored the New York Times article I
referenced above, a thoughtful and lucid description
of the problem of prosecuting doctors. But the agency
pulled the document from the Web a few months later
claiming there were "misstatements" in it.

How can the narcotic police judge individual cases
intelligently, assuming they are intelligent, when
they do not know the patient and they know nothing
about medicine in the first place?

As Dr. Satel stated in her article, "It is not known
how many patients need long-term treatment with
opioids, particularly at high doses. Dr. Russell K.
Portenoy, chairman of pain medicine and palliative
care at the Beth Israel Medical Center in New York,
cites surveys estimating that as many as 6 to 10
percent of Americans suffer from chronic, disabling
pain. He speculates that maybe 1 in 10 of them could
benefit from long-term, high dose treatment."

I beg to differ. If a patient has "chronic, disabling
pain," I maintain that 10 out of 10 of them could
benefit from long-term, high-dose treatment. Something
tells me that if Russell suddenly found himself in
chronic disabling pain, he might alter his opinion.
Quality of medicine takes a nosedive

Thanks to cases like Dr. Fisher's, which are becoming
increasingly common, doctors are quitting by the
hundreds. Many are switching to nursing because it is
less stressful, less responsibility, less malpractice,

and shorter work hours. As a result of this "doctor
shortage," the quality of applicants admitted to
medical school has decreased to allow more people into
the profession in order to fill the gap.

CAT scans, a multi-million-dollar laboratory and
computerized EKG readings will not compensate for dumb
doctors. I have seen this in many third world
countries: Some of them have remarkably sophisticated
equipment (paid for by guess who) but because of the
low quality of the doctors, they are still dangerous
places to get seriously ill. This is a scenario coming
soon to an operating theater near you.

The quality of medicine and the status of doctors are
deteriorating concomitantly. And so is the publics'
attitude toward them. As doctors become less affluent,
respect for them declines. They envy those with high
incomes, nice cars, and big homes on the water. But if
a doctor drives an old Dodge and wears Wal-Mart shoes,
the consensus seems to be: "Who would go to him? Look
at the car he drives."

This is the road to ruin for American medicine.
Unfortunately, there's not a whole lot we can do about
it.

Action to take:

My best advice to you is to pay close attention to
your doctor's credentials and treatment techniques.
Odds are if you suspect he doesn't know what he's
doing, you're probably right.

If that's the case, I suggest you look for a new
doctor - preferably one who can help you get the pain
relief you need. Physicians with a background in
alternative medicine are usually more understanding
about this sort of thing, and are better equipped to
offer you numerous options for pain relief than
mainstream docs. To locate an alternative physician
near you, contact the American College for Advancement
in Medicine (800-532-3688; 714-583-7666).

References:

"Doctors Behind Bars: Treating Pain Is Now Risky
Business," The New York Times, 10/19/2004

"AAPS Supports Due Process in Licensure," AAPS News
2004: 60(8)

June 23, 2005

William Campbell Douglass II, MD, writes the medical
newsletter, Real Health Breakthroughs, and the free
E-letter, Daily Dose. His numerous books and
monographs are available from www..drdouglass.com.

"In a time of universal deceit - telling the truth is a revolutionary act."-George Orwell
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
"Good intentions will always be pleaded for every assumption of authority.
It is hardly too strong to say that the Constitution was made to guard the
people against the dangers of good intentions. There are men in all ages who
mean to govern well, but they mean to govern. They promise to be good
masters, but they mean to be masters."  -- Daniel Webster
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
"Great empires cannot subsist without great armies, and liberty cannot subsist with them." - Cato, anti-federalist

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From: RhinosBlog@...
To: ptpeet@...
Sent: Friday, June 17, 2005 10:14 PM
Subject: RHINO'S WEEKEND BLOG - June 18 & 19, 2005


Rhino's Blog lives at: http://www.rhinosblog.info

RHINO'S WEEKEND BLOG - June 18 & 19, 2005

THE QUOTE:
"Nine Inch Nails will not be performing at the MTV Movie Awards as previously announced. We were set to perform 'The Hand That Feeds' with an unmolested, straightforward image of George W. Bush as the backdrop. Apparently, the image of our president is as offensive to MTV as it is to me. See you on tour this fall when we return to play in America."
- - Trent Reznor

THE MUSIC VIDEO: "The Hand That Feeds" by Nine Inch Nails
"With Teeth", the 4th studio album from Nine Inch Nails, was released May 3 debuting at #1 on the Billboard Top 200, selling over 270,000 copies in its first week.
http://www.nin.com

THE LYRICS: "The Hand That Feeds" by Nine Inch Nails
http://www.lyriczz.com/lyriczz.php?songid=16424

THE HISTORY:
June 18th, 2001- Gothenburg, Sweden
At precisely 4.08pm, amid smirks & bemused giggles from a row of watching policemen, a small brass band burst into sound & gave the signal for about 2,000 naked buttocks (attached to 1000 anti-shrub protestors) to be pointed in the direction of the SAS Radisson hotel where the US President was staying. American news editors worked overtime to keep the American citizenry from seeing the photo.
June 19th, 1987 -- Ben & Jerry Ice Cream & the Grateful Dead's Jerry Garcia announce a new ice-cream flavor, Cherry Garcia. (Rhino's favorite, alog with B&J's Half Baked.)

THE BOOK TIP: "How the Left Lost Teen Spirit" by Danny Goldberg
Years from now, if the Democrats have long faded from American memory, anthropologists and historians will ask, "Didn't any of them read this book by Danny Goldberg?"
- - Michael Moore
http://www.akashicbooks.com/howtheleft.htm

THE ANIMATION: "Packing Heat" by Mark Fiore
http://www.markfiore.com/animation/heat.html

THE CARTOON: "Downing Street Memo" By Nick Andorsen
http://cagle.slate.msn.com/working/050614/nick.jpg

THE AUDIO FILE: "Deep Throat" by The Capitol Steps
http://www.capsteps.com

RHINO'S BOTTOM LINE
Reefer Absurdity - Supreme Court ruling on pot is sheer madness
by Will Durst, Working For Change, 6/9/05

In its finite wisdom, the US Supreme Court upheld the Federal Government's ban on Medical Marijuana -- screwing all ten states that legalized it and leaving a lot of folks in those ten states with superfluous Glaucoma diagnoses...

... Why do politicians always insist on lumping all drugs together? Even a fourth grader can tell you that crack is to pot like an Uzi is to a banana. Crack: kills. Pot: giggles. Say you do run into a crazed pothead: what's the worst thing that's going to happen to you? Okay, you might get fleas, but that's about it. So there's Twinkie Cream on your shirt, wipe it off. Can't get the song, "Stairway to Heaven" out of your head, deal with it. Potheads don't mug, they hug. The same can not be said about the Supreme Court.

MORE AT: http://www.workingforchange.com/article.cfm?ItemID=19173

Aid Diverted to Iraqi Torture Units
http://www.truthout.org/docs_2005/070305X.shtml

US Retains Control of Web, Worrying Foreign Critics

http://www.truthout.org/docs_2005/070305D.shtml

Karl Rove Was a Source for Time's Plame Story

http://www.truthout.org/docs_2005/070305A.shtml

Drugs manufactured On Campus

A San Diego State student was recently arrested for allegedly manufacturing methamphetamine, ecstasy and fentanyl on campus.

Chemistry graduate student Matt Finley, 26, was arraigned in federal court June 20 and charged with four counts of manufacturing.

The nine-month investigation was prompted by a concerned faculty member who noticed a suspicious, dark liquid in one of the rooms in the Chemical Sciences Laboratory, University Police Detective Steven Harshaw said.

During the investigation, University Police and the Drug Enforcement Agency installed a surveillance camera in the lab Finley was using and began interviewing people within the building, gathering information and continuously sampling materials found in the lab, Harshaw said. When sampling revealed a toxic level, authorities would neutralize it during the night.

"We were in there within 12 hours," Harshaw said. "We would replace the liquid with an inert substance."

According to University Police Chief John Carpenter, the investigation was carried on for nine months in order to learn what Finley planned to do with the illicit drugs.

However, because of the dangerous nature of the lab and chemicals involved, authorities said they arrested Finley because the danger to the university and others involved outweighed learning about the distribution of the drugs.

Finley was arrested in his Ocean Beach home June 15, where authorities found marijuana plants and more methamphetamine, ecstasy and fentanyl. Harshaw said authorities chose to arrest Finley at his home rather than the lab because of a number of factors, including a strong belief they might find more drugs at his home. Authorities obtained a search warrant for both Harshaw home and the lab and conducted searches in both locations at the same time to ensure control of the situation and allow for the safe collection of the toxic materials, he said.

DEA Special Agent Micsha Piestro said his agency provided a clandestine lab group, that specializes in cooking drugs. Its trained chemist secured the evidence and took care to make sure all toxic materials, including fentanyl, were stored properly. Piestro said fentanyl is extremely toxic and can be absorbed through the skin.

Piestro said because of the amount of illicit drugs involved, authorities chose to turn the case over to the U.S. Attorney's Office. If found guilty, Piestro said Finley could potentially be sentenced to 15 years in a federal prison, but an array of factors could affect that number such as acceptance of guilt. For example, any prior convictions are also factors during sentencing, Piestro said. According to Local 8 News's Web site, www.kfmb.com, Finley was placed on probation in 2002 for using a lab at the University of California Santa Barbara to manufacture drugs. In 2003, Finley was again placed on probation for growing marijuana. Both of these incidents will work against Finley's current case.

"I've never seen anything like this in 18 years of work," Piestro said. "I'm dismayed by his lack of concern."

While it is currently unknown whether Finley used chemicals already in the lab or brought his own to campus, university spokesman Jason Foster said a number of safety measures are in place to prevent such activities from occurring. This includes keeping the chemical storage locked at all times and only authorizing keys to faculty and staff. Also, a safety officer routinely reviews chemical orders, monitors injuries and enforces policies, Foster said. Furthermore, graduate students must attend required safety training prior to using the labs and equipment, he said.

Foster cites the safety protocols for catching on to Finley. He said Finley entered SDSU in Fall 2004, and was under surveillance by October. Foster said the university would review its policies to see if there are any other ways to discourage such actions from occurring again.

"If you're going to use our facilities to make drugs," he said, "you're going to get caught."

In addition to federal court proceedings, Finley was issued a "Keep-Off" order by University President Stephen Weber, according to the director of the Center of Student Rights and Responsibilities, Marty Block. The order bars Finley from coming onto campus. Finley has 10 days to appeal the order and the right to a hearing, he said. Block said he is unsure whether Finley will appeal, but whatever the judicial office decides will be final. Finley could face suspension or expulsion, Block said.

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From:     ptpeet@...

Subject:        Re: [Ibogaine] Re:[Ibogaine] Fw: Addiction 'supplement' on cocaine anti-craving drug trials... Dr Andrew Byrne

tink wrote with all sincerity >but none of this methadrone for
life shit.<

Love you tink, but I don't agree. I think that there are so many avenues for change, for HARM REDUCTION that in this day and age of outright prohibition, methadone for those who want it and do better on it, FOR LIFE should be an option.

Did the good doctor mention how bloated and lethargic people become?<

I (and I only speak for me) was more productive while taking methadone than I've ever been in my life.
And I never gained much weight either, although I was heavier then than now- but only a few pounds.

How deep it goes into your marrow?<

I've read this is a myth, the marrow thing.

 How hard it is to get off of? <

Yes, it's a bitch to get off- but until we stop arresting and incarcerating people for using the drugs that make them feel better and stop hurting them even more than they might already be doing themselves by doing so, adding hurt and pain to what can already be a painful and hurtful situation, then allowing those who say "enough already" but are NOT ready to stop using (and may never be) to use methadone for life is just fine with me.

I feel really badly for those of you who have had so much trouble with your methadone providers. I guess I was lucky, or had a different outlook when I got on the stuff. YES, I decided eventually to get off- and there are days even now when I fucking regret it.

I got off of it, methadone, because I decided I wasn't in need of it any longer, that I wasn't using cocaine any more and that methadone hadn't done that, and that I didn't feel any need for dope anymore (HA!). Now I'm a chronic pain patient who can barely walk sometimes, still in need of opiates, and am so fucking sick and tired- and have put myself back through hell again since getting off methadone more times than I want to count. And still don't feel all happy and glowy like so many of you out there. "I'm so happy, ibogaine so fucking rocks," well groovy for you. Glad it helped. But I wish people would stop denigrating methadone, when it's the only option for so many out there still. Yeah, it would be nice to have more options, including ibogaine, but for crying out loud, I didn't get any of the symptoms described by Mathew EXCEPT that I didn't like to tell people all that often that I was taking methadone because they were so damned judgemental and condescending and unfriendly and sure I was broken because I was on methadone, and I let that feeling get to me and decided I wasn't into it anymore- and am STILL not sure I was having my best day that day, when I decided to get off methadone.

I'm sorry, I'm feeling aggrevated, depressed and irritated and this note is NOT aimed at anyone in particular, but I sure do disagree with a lot of what's been said here in this whole entire anti-methadone thread.

Peace and love,

Preston Peet

From:     bleshins@...

Subject:        [Ibogaine] Re:[Ibogaine] Fw: Addiction 'supplement' on cocaine anti-craving drug trials... Dr Andrew Byrne

So, anyway, besides lending Dr Byrne the Rites of Passage DVD, what other "evidence" or "research" can I send his way? I don't want to just send him a tonne of links that will lead him around in circles, and fail to breach his bias barrier, only to confirm his belief the Ibogaine community is just a bunch of delusional loonies. I think he is the kind of guy that gets excited by lots of big numbers and percentages and dramatic graphs and pretty tables and scientific Journal citations. Anything out there resembling such a thing?

Boris

From:     tinkerbell.sarah@...

Subject:        Re: [Ibogaine] Re:[Ibogaine] Fw: Addiction 'supplement' on cocaine anti-craving drug trials... Dr Andrew Byrne

Preston,
I can feel you all the way up here, and I know exactly what you mean.
I have my days when, as a fellow chronic pain and nerve damaged
individual, when I miss the clinic quite a bit.  I was more productive

on suboxone, however, but remain unclear on whether or not I think
either of them are worth the cost, for me personally, anyway.
Harm reduction indeed, and how quickly I forget how glad i was to get
on the clinic in the first place.  I suppose my aggrevation comes from
knowing how hard we all have to fight for the right to lead a life of
any sort of quality (what form that quality comes in being entirely up
to the individual), and how difficult it is to rebuild and restructure
while trying to get and stay off of all dope, government and
otherwise.  If everyone had the advantages I have had in my recovery
with the double ibogaine treatments, I suppose I would feel better
about hearing a friend had just started the clinic for the very first
time, instead of getting that queasy feeling , as if the bottom just
dropped out of their life and I got to see it.
Regardless, I hear the aggrevation in your voice, loud and clear, and
I'm sending you tons of love and comfort, and maybe a little serenity,
if I can find it around here, somewhere.
My love to you,
tink

and Boris...kudos to you for all of your voice of reason in a
definatively unreasonable world.  Hope you and Mandy are doing well,
and i send you my love as well.
Keep posting, we all need it!!
love again,

tink

From:     vector620022002@...

Subject:        Re: [Ibogaine] Re:[Ibogaine] Fw: Addiction 'supplement' on cocaine anti-craving drug trials... Dr Andrew Byrne

The only scientist who has real credentials and gets published in any
journal that has credibility, who has ever published any research about
using ibogaine on drug addicts is Dr. Mash.

Anyone should correct me if I'm wrong, but there is nothing at all
besides her monographs. There are a ton of anecdotal papers, tons of
opinions, there is animal research up the wazoo, but with human
subjects who were on crack or heroin and used ibogaine to stop, there
is patrick's mom ;) that's it.

Her main (last too I think) paper is Ibogaine: Complex
Pharmacokinetics, Concerns for Safety, and Preliminary Efficacy
Measures.

http://ibogaine.mindvox.com/Articles/Mash-01.htm
http://ibogaine.mindvox.com/Articles/Mash-01.pdf

That's the most definitive ibogaine paper that exists, charts, graphs,
phds and md's, published in mainstream medical journals. Science not
opinions.

If you direct Dr. Byrne to her I'm sure she'll be happy to agree with
why Howard Lotsoff is a ratbag, why the underground is the same as back
room abortionists and why ibogaine is very dangerous unless she's the
one selling it to you.

If you want evidence and research, that's it. I don't have the Rites of
Passage dvd yet, but from what's been written on here it's a good film
about ibogaine, Howard and Patrick are both really articulate and smart
and certainly know what's happening with ibogaine and Patrick is listed

on the documentary site as representing the Ibogaine Research Project,
which is Dr. Mash's ibogaine research at the University of Miami, so
there is credibility and Dr. Glick is there also(?) You'd know this
better then me, I haven't seen the movie, sorry.

.:vector:.

From:     ptpeet@...

Subject:        Re: [Ibogaine] Doctors and Ibogaine

up to you to learn them Keith.
Tell them, point them towards websites, alert them to yet another option for patients to AT THE LEAST get through withdrawals in the most beautiful way I've yet found.
Fuck the rest of it. As much as I respect Andrew Byrne, I'm appalled at his and others' attitudes towards ibogaine. It's not a magic bullet and those who claim otherwise are deluded. It's a fucking tool that I have found useful for getting off opiates- not staying off in anyway, shape or form- but GETTING off was the best way ever. The rest is up to me really, or so I would imagine except I keep getting all depressed and puzzled as to the WHY I don't take myself at my word ever in this regard, so who knows if it's really up to me. Come to think of it, I do NOT think it's up to me, I think it's up to the fact I was introduced to opiates at a pretty young age, went through the whole, "you should wait for your next shot another hour/half hour" when asking nurses for shots early even way back then, still in the hospital with my stomach split open, illiostomy bags everywhere and more pain than I knew what to do with. Yet I still had to argue with the nurse, "you're going to get addicted." SO fucking what bitch, you see my innards through that incision line? Fuck you, give me a shot." That attitude as stayed, firmly imbedded in my brain and psychy- I know what helps my pain issues- opiates.

Boy am I going on a lot right now today. Please excuse my multiple posts, I don't really expect any answers, I'm mainly venting frustrations and thoughts both.


Peace and love,

Preston Peet

From:     bcalabrese@...

Subject:        Re: [Ibogaine] painkillers

"Also, does anyone know of any non-narcotic pain meds that work other
>
than torodol? Howard perhaps?
>
I am having facial surgery on Tuesday and I know its gonna hurt like a
>
mother after and I'd like to avoid using any narcotics unless I'm at a
>
point where hanging myself seems like the only alternative"
 
Not really. Load up on tylenol wll help. I use narcotics daily for pain (TMJ and cluster headaches mostly),. I just had a tooth crack and abscess, started a root canal (didn't know it was cracked) and at 29,000 feet (low cabin pressure) after the antibiotics wore off it blew up again - man that hurt!. THANKFULLY I am loaded to the gills with narcotics and have something called Actiq, trans-mucosal fentanyl citrate (dope in lolly-pop form basically). But what I did was put the Actiq lolly-pop right on the gum to absorb a little narcotic in the place of the pain - IT WORKED WONDERULLY,  far better than buiilding up a blood level with narcotics - which beleive me I took plenty.. I nursed an Actiq for 3 days just for the tooth, some seconds at a time 10, 20, 50 seconds and it lasts over an hour - you need lto use it longer as the lolly-pop gets smaller. Normally you suck one of those "suckers" up in about 15-20 minutes for systemic effect (about  50% in the first 3 minutes), I don't use it that way. I doubt anyone will give you one Actiq and it would take control (of you likely) if you suck on the WHOLE  thing, it is like half a dozen bags of dope, itchies and all.

I generally take my narcotics a little at a time, very measured, just up to the level required for the pain and that's it.. If you are in PAIN you might try 1/2 a pill (ie 1/2 perc) and use the medication more often if necessary, not wait 6 hours between pills and clock watching.. Avoid SPIKING blood levels of drugs,  be patient with the pain and don't stomp on it (ie take 2). You may also try a topical product like Ambesol (sp?) or oil of cloves (old remedy, still used) to deaden the pain along with tylenol and maybe ibuprofen. It is better to alternate the 2 if pain/fever is severe - ie tylenol then 3 hours later ibuprofen,  3 hours later tylenol...If you do take narcotics, if/once you start to feel the drug STOP, you have had enough, typically you won't get much more pain relief by more medication once you feel the drug, What can happen is more opiates can actually stop (flaten out) easing the pain and actually make it increase, and of course 1/2 the  bottle will start sounding like a good idea... Warm salt water mouthwash may also help.

Preston, Lighten up on yourself. You are a pain patient just like I am, pain meds and habituation are part of the deal.. 200mg of ibo can wobble someone (depending on them and the day), I know someone who did a tester (100mg) and landed on her ass, but unless you are going to feed yourself a couple hundred mg's of ibo continuously it isn't going to cut the withdrawals enough.  I also suggest staying away from "the dark side" or trying to kill more pain than the medication is going to do *(without making it better...) - meaning don't push it, don't SPIKE it, don't wait till you are in too much pain (I do sometimes).. It sucks,  it is way too much pain to live with without narcotics, it just can't be done successully when someone is in the kind of pain ***WE*** are in. It ain't easy, I had to give up being an "addict"... perfectly, no, mostly perfectly, yes or I couldn't trust myself with the meds I use (dilaudid, oxycodone, valium, SOMA, Fentanyl lolly-pops, not  duragesic one is highly abusable, the other minimally so that Duragesic is often used for treating Addicts in pain - a 600mcg Actiq unloads the entire dose in 15-20 minutes, a 25mgc Duragesic patch unloads the same amount of Fentanyl (600mcg total) over 24 hours. It took 2 years with this doc, he initially FLIPPED when I mentioned Dilaudid. It is a case of you are damed if you do, damed if you don't. A FLAG for addiction is when someone requests a specific medication, it took me 1.5 years before I mentioned Dilaudid . Unfortunately a FLAG for what works is also telling the doctor what kind of medication works... and I could swear that (in the beginning) BIG BROTHER had a camera in the room,  I wanted to switch from 20mg oxycontin twice a day to 10mg 4 times a day (medically nothing wrong with that) but DOCTORS FLIP OUT (one pharmacist in the area won't even fill a script unlless it is Q12H, even though the docs say some people use every 8 hours), Sooo, I came up with an allergy  to the Pink Dye in the 20mg pills. Pretty sad/sick to have to do that and not be able to talk to the doctor - he knows very well what I am doing, but can't write a prescription or talk about it that way. He also couldn't write for Dolphine (would cost me $20 a month!) because flags go off at the DEA that he might be treating addicts, as he put it  he is "not willing to fight that battle" where the DEA comes in and crawls up his ass going over his records.

Also, I started Palladone XL, 12mg extended release hydromorphone (dilaudid), 24 hour capsules they only last me 18-20 hours and I need to fill in with some Dilaudid till my next pill. That is typical for me to metabolize things faster than most folks. It is a good med, low side effects (particularly low sexual side effects for an opiate), expensive though, it is new. Plus percocet, dilaudid, Actiq, valium, SOMA (in relatively small amounts and in combinations), NSAIDS, herbs, smokables, breathing exercises...  Just keep me away from those non-addictive medications, that will really do serious damage, horrible meds (ie topamax, lamictil, gabapentin, depakote...) and people who think taking drugs means life-long addiction, even medical professionals who should (but don't) know better because their CLINICAL GUIDELINES and studies say otherwise.

Brett.

From:     HSLotsof@...

Subject:        Re: [Ibogaine] painkillers

Hi Brett,

I am attaching a pdf file on a very interesting paper that was recently
published, "An Opiate Cocktail that Reduces Morphine Tolerance and Dependence.  I
hope it go through to the list.  In any case you should get it as I coped it to
your email as well.  It was quite surprising in that the researchers found
low dose methadone actually reduces morphine tolerance. We are not discussing
cross tolerance issues but, actual reduction of tolerance by a process known as
endocytosis.  It is a bit complex but, you can show it to your doctor re
requests for methadone.  A lot of pain management doctors are rxing methadone. 
What your doctor's problem is i don't know but, it is his problem and not the
DEA's.

Best regards,

Howard

From:     HSLotsof@...

Subject:        Re: [Ibogaine] WHO'S YOUR DADDY!!!

In a message dated 6/20/05 9:41:50 PM, darkmattersfo@... writes:

lordy, what is a ratbag?

I had to do quite a bit of looking as I didn't know what a ratbag as either
as it is an Australian term, and the meanings might be diverse.  I've also met
Andrew Byrne at one of the last AATOD conferences and he seemed honestly
interested in ibogaine and glad to meet me.  I emailed him asking for an
explanation of his reported statement calling me a ratbag but, have not yet received a
response.  I will keep you informed. I did a bit of looking and came up with
the page indicated below that was the most interesting I found.

Howard

http://www.marquis-kyle.com.au/mt/000142.htm

Ratbag

Thursday 27 December 2001 

Any person whose eccentricity I find appealing I am apt to call a ratbag. To
me, it's a word that implies fondness, an Australian idiom it seems. The
British dictionaries either don't know the word, or don't see any positive
connotation in it, and my old Websters doesn't know the word at all. Here's what I
found:

Macquarie dictionary (1991):
'n. colloq. 1. a rascal; rogue. 2. a person of eccentric or nonconforming
ideas or behaviour. 3. a person whose preoccupation with a particular theory or
belief is seen as obsessive or discreditable: that Marxist ratbag. -ratbaggery,
n. -ratbaggy, adj.'

Australian national dictionary (1988):
'A trouble-maker, a rogue; an eccentric; a person to whom some opprobrium
attaches. Also attrib. Š [examples cut] Š Hence ratbaggery n. Š [examples cut]'

Cobuild English dictionary (1995):
'In British English, if you call someone a ratbag, you are insulting them; an
offensive word. Lying ratbags, that's what they are.
'
Pocket Oxford dictionary of current English (1996):
'n. slang obnoxious person.'

dictionary.com:
No entry.

Shorter Oxford English dictionary (1968):
No entry.

Webster's new twentieth century dictionary (1960):

No entry.

From:     nick227@...

Subject:        RE: [Ibogaine] Re:[Ibogaine] Fw: Addiction 'supplement' on cocaine anti-craving drug trials... Dr Andrew Byrne

If you get into rational discussion and stick with it, my experience is that quite often these guys come round. In the UK there was this guy called Dr Colin Brewer. He ran a big clinic in London and would make loud declaiming statements about ibogaine in the press. He was the regular skeptic the journos would call up when they were writing an article. I would debate with him, taking what he said to task bit by bit. It took a few years but last I heard he was moving away from skepticism and looking anew. Unfortunately, he was also got in a big court case for methadone prescriptions and I think he ended up getting struck off (that's the rumour I heard), so not much came of his apparent conversion, but it was worthwhile anyway. With Addiction magazine, in the UK, I had a long-running dispute with a column writer over ibogaine, all of which got published and attracted attention. Again, it was worth the effort.

If you have a connection with this guy then you can use that. Maybe contact Dr Mash direct and explain what you want to do. She's helped with this stuff before. I figure Dr Byrne could convert, from reading what you've put down. Calling someone a ratbag, that's pretty weak. Ask for clarification. www.ibogaine-research.org is Dr Mash's science site. Ask him to check it out. Stick with it. Be exciting if you could get in a dialogue with him. If he has to resort to name-calling then I figure he's already halfway to Damascus.

Nick

From:     bleshins@...

Subject:        [Ibogaine] Ibogaine related research article

Came across this newish study in my research. Its not listed on the Ibogaine Dossier site.

"Glial Cell Line-Derived Neurotrophic Factor Mediates the Desirable Actions of the Anti-Addiction Drug Ibogaine against Alcohol Consumption"
The Journal of Neuroscience, January 19, 2005



Dao-Yao He,1 * Nancy N. H. McGough,1 * Ajay Ravindranathan,1 Jerome Jeanblanc,1 Marian L. Logrip,1,3 Khanhky Phamluong,1 Patricia H. Janak,1,2,3 and Dorit Ron1,2,3

1Ernest Gallo Research Center, 2Department of Neurology, 3Neuroscience Graduate Program, University of California, San Francisco, Emeryville, California 94608
http://www.egcrc.org/

Alcohol addiction manifests as uncontrolled drinking despite negative consequences. Few medications are available to treat the disorder. Anecdotal reports suggest that ibogaine, a natural alkaloid, reverses behaviors associated with addiction including alcoholism; however, because of side effects, ibogaine is not used clinically. In this study, we first characterized the actions of ibogaine on ethanol self-administration in rodents. Ibogaine decreased ethanol intake by rats in two-bottle choice and operant self-administration paradigms. Ibogaine also reduced operant self-administration of ethanol in a relapse model. Next, we identified a molecular mechanism that mediates the desirable activities of ibogaine on ethanol intake. Microinjection of ibogaine into the ventral tegmental area (VTA), but not the substantia nigra, reduced self-administration of ethanol, and systemic administration of ibogaine increased the expression of glial cell line-derived neurotrophic factor (GDNF) in a midbrain region that includes the VTA. In dopaminergic neuron-like SHSY5Y cells, ibogaine treatment upregulated the GDNF pathway as indicated by increases in phosphorylation of the GDNF receptor, Ret, and the downstream kinase, ERK1 (extracellular signal-regulated kinase 1). Finally, the ibogaine-mediated decrease in ethanol self-administration was mimicked by intra-VTA microinjection of GDNF and was reduced by intra-VTA delivery of anti-GDNF neutralizing antibodies. Together, these results suggest that GDNF in the VTA mediates the action of ibogaine on ethanol consumption. These findings highlight the importance of GDNF as a new target for drug development for alcoholism that may mimic the effect of ibogaine against alcohol consumption but avoid the negative side effects.

From:     mcorcoran27@...

Subject:        RE: [Ibogaine]

1500 bucks is the cheapest in the world. Also it is an extremely expensive medication. There are only 3 sources in the world to get it and if were talking about the HCL I think you'd be surprised how much it actually does cost the providers.
Okay I'm actually sitting next to a provider who has asked me to comment on what was just discussed.
- "First of all, most providers are dead broke and are not making any real money on this. We are risking our freedom to give some people the ability to experience this. Most work on a sliding scale. I agree that people should be able to get Ibogaine if they want it I also believe that you should be able to shoot battery acid in your dick if thats what you want as well. Every provider from St. Kitts to the underground agrees that having a family member in the room is not the best and having them as the only people in the room is just a plain bad idea. Where does the money go? It goes to the cost of the medication which is substantial. Staying awake for three days, cleaning up vomit shit and blood. Helping someone to the bathroom or holding a bottle so they can piss. Calming them down if there having a hard time. Knowing how much and when to give more ibogaine. Making sure they stay hydrated hours spent talking on the phone before and after the treatment. Not to  mention, knowning WHEN to call the ambulance. But most importantly EXPERIENCE. Taking Ibogaine a few times does not give you the ability to see into the future as much as some might like to think so. You never know how this drug is going to effect you.

 I personally don't think that St. Kitts or Mexico or Sara or we charge too much. I was raised to believe that people should be paid for there work and believe me this is work. Yeah your right you can buy a lot of things for 1,500 buck... 15 bundles."
 
So there you go. -M.

"VanAllen, Keith G." <VanAllK@...> wrote:
Thanks Vector, I kinda figured this after reading a little on Erowid and from different online smart shops. I just wanted to make sure I wasn't missing something ;} Sometimes there are ways around these Regs and bylaws.

On a different note, can we discuss price? Ibogaine as a raw material does not cost a substantial amount, even in the stores that do sell and ship. You could conceivably grow it in your yard without anyone taking notice to it, very few people are even aware of it's use as a drug of any kind..I have plenty of dope fien'nin acquaintances that just look at me puzzled like when I mention it. I don't know about anywhere else but in my locale all the authorities are busy enough with hard core narcotics and crime, the average cops would probably say "Ibogaine? What's that?" Why is this so expensive! Earlier someone said that $1500 was a decent price, hell, for that I  could buy a whole lot of ANY thing else...it doesn't seem comprable.

Anyone have thoughts on this?

-Keith

From:     vector620022002@...

Subject:        RE: [Ibogaine]

What is it that's supposed to be in tokion? All I get is a fanzine. No
ibogaine related story if that's what is there? URL please? >
http://www.tokion.com has nothing.

--- mcorcoran <mcorcoran27@...> wrote:

the correct spelling of the mag on the article about the underground

is TOKION

mcorcoran <mcorcoran27@...> wrote:1500 bucks is the cheapest in
the world. Also it is an extremely expensive medication. There are
only 3 sources in the world to get it and if were talking about the
HCL I think you'd be surprised how much it actually does cost the
providers.

No I wouldn't ;) I've been reading this list since 2001 :) I know
ibogaine is expensive, my question was about what Preston said in his
message and what would really be the difference between someone who has
already done ibogaine let's say 4 or 5 times doing it themselves
instead of having someone else treat them. This wasn't a argument it
was only a question I had when reading Preston's posts, he's a walking
encyclopedia on drug addiction and seeing what he's written about

ibogaine from the first time he did it to this last time, without
knowing Preston or what's happening it looks like he is getting less
and less out of the experience every time. Am I wrong in writing this
preston?

Mark since you answered, can I ask you the other half of my question?
What does happen when you relapse. What makes that one time different
then all the other times you thought about it but didn't do it and is
it impossible to stop after that or only very very hard to stop?

.:vector:.

From:     sara119@...

Subject:        RE: [Ibogaine]

will you  send me a copy?

thanks for making this clear, but what most people say  " it is not my fault,

...f*** IT who cares?"

until they get a problem one day and they would have hoped that there
was a person who would have helped ... but everyone is gone to find a new
job.

hey, I also could sell to you 15 bundles, in every street in every city
you can find people who will be happy to sell any kind of drug to help you
get high and fucked up. those drug dealers always get paid.
now , us as treatment provider who are dead broke and still willing to help
everyone even just for improvements of the lifestyle, no preaching  no
judging,
just to create a opportunity for development... and there is so much we could
develop, I have seen with my own eyes how people get infection coming out
of their bodies after the treatment, the iboga detoxify more then only
opiates, those infection are showing not only in addicts also in non
addicts
who have unhealthy lifestyle. and sure ibogaine/iboga have more uses that
we could learn about but only few people care to know.
from all those hundreds of people who used Ibogaine/iboga , only few who

become iboga activist, the rest will forget, but it is like the story of
the 100monkeys. so we must go on doing what we got to do and see what
happens, even without sponsors we will find a way to keep on doing what we
got to do. just because iboga teaches you how to simplify your life and
how important it is to value yourself right, dignity not arrogance.it is
up to the level of understanding what a person can learn, ( I'm not
talking about people who have chronic pains and need painkillers.)

S.

From:     captkirk@...

Subject:        RE: [Ibogaine]

When I got sent Ibogaine in 2000, to NZ even though we have no laws (as yet)
on this stuff (virtually unheard of... )  there was still a little paranoia,
cos they put lavender, patchouli and sage along with charcoal burners to
make it look like it was all herbal stuff.  Stupid customs decided the
lavender and patchouli had seeds in them so they detained them and destroyed
them (hope they got a nice whiff at least! I've never seen real patchouli
:o(   )  well they had to heat the herbs to cook any seeds in them,
anyyyywayyyyy... got the ibo fine, just hope we keep being a way behind

country and don't catch up with USA's policy on Ibo.

From:     rockymcaravelli@...

Subject:        Re: [Ibogaine] relapse and treatment

oh i love this so a few experiences with ibogaine is enough to make a decission on the care and outcome of a detox i have to say i am glad that in the community of treatment and resources for avaliable ibogaine that its not a on the corner and pick it up substance for the pure reason that it has many aspects to be concerned with. that it for the most part is availiable but that theres responsibility for handling it properly and for representing as best it  can that it has a reputation for being effective and basically respected. this is just oppinion but really i don't hear so much about the spirit that dwells in the root that its one of the most  loving and powerful life course rearranging energys on the planet and if it vibrates to you personally it would seem that a little self sacrafice to honor it would be appropriate one of those aspects is having a representitive of the spirit otherwise known as a provider someone who was called and has for the  most part given their lives to do the work of iboga . Its a funny thing most times it just bounces off people and they forget where they came from and get the idea oh i'll just do another session and get clean not spend the time nessissary to redevelope a new way of life to face life and look into their hearts for what is the root cause of discontentment and making the adjustments to eliminate it. everything can become a habit and after 5 ,6 sessions a habit of thought gets established and the usefullness is lost hey if someone wants to get loaded but not suffer consiquences of getting loaded chances are they are  not really interested in changing their lives and being free of addiction on the other hand if your willing to go through it all , the good the bad the ugly ,work with some one who does this everyday, lives and breathes it mabe you gotta chance. I'm an addict i think i know it all without ever doing the work this has been the hardest mind set to break ..  thanx  everyone

         oh by the way doing treatments with family or freind especially like girl freind boy freind why would anyone want to put someone they love  through the fear of if anything went wrong or the agony of watching someone they love struggle through a difficult experience and the truth is you never know what will happen in an ibogaine detox . Its hard to get out of yourself but try it.

             rocky

From:     jeffgallop@...

Subject:        Re: [Ibogaine]

Hello fellow ibonaunts,iboangels,ibospouses etal...
Jeff G here,from foggy,sunny,foggy,sunny, San Fransisco. Reading the list almost regulary and following the many many interesting threads going and coming these past few monthas and especially the past few days, I just wanted to check in.

 To refresh i was treated in NYC almost 7 months ago for a loooong term Methadone  habit, a habit i NEVER thought would end, well apparently it has ended and it was the toughest thing i have ever done bar burying my wife after telling my 6 year old son (now 18) his mother was dead (from an OD)

 I will say firstly as far as a family member present during treatment and post treatment for me it was a LIFESAVER! MY Iboangelspouse is a saint in my eyes for puting up with what we call my rebirth..I was a mewling infant- then an arrogant adolescent- and finally a newly born adult- dealing with things that had not ( and may still not be ) dealt with in/for many many years and with out her support i would never have made it she is as much a part of my success(?) as anything....and her meditating presence in the room during my deepest moments of Ibojourneying was nothing short of amazing( I think for us both tho only she can speak for her...grey hairs not withstanding)

  
As far as providers from my point of view anyway...no  one is getting rich here folks, no one is getting power, no one is getting much of anything except a feeling that they are doing what they have been called to do. Some come out of treatment and feel compelled to do this work,I for one have never felt that way I am glad to help in other ways but to be a provider uh uh not this freak...i would almost rather shoot battery acid in my dick than have that responsibility and calling....

  
Ibogaine  is a fucking miracle...Iboproviders in all there many forms are angels...and to be any less than absolutely grateful (note to Preston not directed only or  specifically at you my man dont freak on me) seems senseless and just plain grumpy!
  
Tink love your writing....Randy miss your smiles call me (D has #)....and  everyone else i love you we are in the coolest "club" ever................... Ibonaunts!!!
  
Grateful dont come close!
 
Freely Freaked
Freaking Free...
 Jeff

 

From:     bleshins@...

Subject:        [Ibogaine] LSD addiction ?!!?

This is hilarious.
http://www.lsdaddictiontreatment.com/

At first I thought they used LSD to treat addiction.

Then it dawned on me that they are treating addiction to LSD.

hahahaha

I cant wait for the first centre that treats addiction to Ibogaine.

hmmm, no, thats not funny..

Actually, the reason I was looking at that is that I read an article somewhere that said LSD promotes growth (repair?) of dopamine receptors.  Cant find that article now.

Has anyone read or knows anything about this?

Boris

From:     vivienneelanta@...

Subject:        [Ibogaine] Thank you Rachel and for Preston

Beautifully put Rachel and thank you.

The medicine belongs to all who need it, each to use in their own way. If
someone decide this is what is right for all, they are naive and coming from a
place of ego.

I found this place through Patrick, who did almost nothing except take control
from the day he got clean with Dr. Mash. He failed or was thrown out of her
"aftercare" treatments, went to ashram in Thailand and found himself again with
massive dose of LSD. The reason all can communicate here and find "underground

railroad" that America makes needed, is because he opened Mindvox to ibogaine,
which again is against all that Dr. Mash has ever said because I am more then
certain she'd happily agree with Preston as underground ibogaine being drug
dealers, her quote is back room abortionists.

Ultimate irony is of course that she take full credit for Patrick, introduce
him as her son and the biggest mess who is biggest success. Same idea apply
last time Patrick said I think he said he had done ibogaine 15 or 16 times with
full doses and dozens or hundreds of lower dose "bioassays" which appear with
him in some talk with psychedelic chemist Jonathan Ott. Patrick of course has
not done any of that with Dr. Mash, because he took responsibility for himself
and is high priest in world's largest ibogaine hcl dealership ;-) I mean to say
instead First church of ibogaine, Sacrament of Transition.

Any who think they have all right answers for everyone, are to say it again
being naive at worst or drug dealers with messiah complex at best. Truth is
also very simple, if you want to take control for yourself and own actions,
then do it and take responsibility. Writing angry childish messages against
those who have risked so much to help you and complaining that they did not

help you exactly how you wanted, is nobody's fault but your own Preston.

Ibogaine should be available to all is truth of course, War on drugs is joke of
course made worse most of all by America where all of you live and have this
sacred medicine in same category as heroin and crack. Almost nowhere else in
the world is the situation like this.

Who is right I think is everyone for themselves. Being angry at someone else
and blaming them for your failure (if that is what it is) or wanting them to
act to you in some other way, is being a selfish child or addict ;-)

If you want control for your own dose, then take control for your own dose,
whining about this on the ibogaine list won't change it. I don't know where

quote originates, Patrick said it in Jonathan Ott talk "love is given and
shared. Power is never given, it is taken. You do not ask permission".

However you want to view it or sugar coat things, ibogaine is both healing and
love, it is also power and very expensive drug in America where there is so
little and so many need it

Blessed be

Vivienne Elanta

From:     sara119@...

Subject:        RE: [Ibogaine] psycho

when you are with a good provider they will help you to change that panic
attack state of mind ,just by talking and breathing exercise,
if that doesn't help a valium just knocks you out of that state of mind
for sure,
but if you have a  good provider he will get into that fear while you
visualize the source of your fears and change that panic attack to a learning
experience and even realizing what is the best way  to gain more balance
within.
 which can be another type of treatment then psychedelics substances.

Starting a trip when you know that the person  with you has an experience
Guiding people is just more relaxing for most people.

And many people come into a bitching state of mind few days after the trip
(Iboga) but feel nice again with mushrooms.
Bitching about.....is the source of their problems and they got to deal
with what
Is not so easy for them, be what ever it is they bitch about(the
reflection). At the same time they feel the glow, like mood swings within
few hours. This is when music can help alot.

Sara

From:     tinkerbell.sarah@...

Subject:        Re: [Ibogaine] relapse and treatment

Preston and all
Having been through the "correct treatment" in Kitts and then an
underground treatment, I have to say that I much prefered the latter.
I didn't feel so -guinee pigged.  I know that they have alot more
information now than when I first went through it , and that the
protocol is completely different, and I realize that the amassing of
information is incredibly important.  I hope that it goes further and

wider, but I also have to say that my providers were fantastic and
nurturing and i know that i had a much better experience with them
there than had I been with someone who had a lesser understanding of
ibogaine or my addiction.
I understand the feeling of invasiveness, certainly, but calling them
dealers is dirty pool.  I think that it's a calling more than anything
else, and though it might not seem to be exactly what you might want,
they aren't exactly pushing the shit on Ave D.
Having been given the opportunity to do it for a second time is like
being given a new lease on my life.  I realize that you might have
particularly extenuating circumstances, given your chronic pain and
all that goes with having been through so much trauma to your body,
but aren't these same providers the ones that are trying to figure out
some sort of ibogaine maintenance therapy to help you out, and help
keep the dilaudids at a more manageable level?
Having some seriously fucked up back issues and nerve damage and
feeling the full throttle of the pain that i actually am in has been
quite the adjustment, so i'm not speaking completely out of my ass
here, and I have to say that i don't know how you do it.  I'm amazed
at your fortitude and strength, and V deserves a gold medal for being
such an incredible support system for you, and much more.
I suppose my hackles went up when you called them dealers, and being
one to talk first and think later, i had to say something.  Not

meaning to step on any toes, just venting a frustration at what i see
as a ridiculous issue.
I'm also not saying that you don't appreciate your provider, just to
clarify.  It just seems a little trite to be so bothered by people's
concern for you and your health.
Love
tink

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M M  M  M M    M M  M  M M    M M  M  M M     MARIJUANA
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Photo galleries. Cannabis events worldwide.
http://gallery.marihemp.com/mmm

MMM (Million Marijuana March).
First Saturday in May, or that weekend, or thereabouts.
Hundreds of different cities worldwide since 1999.
2005 city list, links, world map:
http://members.fortunecity.com/multi19/mmm2005map.htm
Yahoo Group:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/cannabisaction