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Dana Beal <dana@...> wrote:
From: Dana Beal <dana@...>
Date: Sat, 2 Jul 2005 13:20:55 -0400
Subject: [mayday] GMM 2005 #36: Pot Activates Non-Opioid Analgesia; Ibogaine Encounters Dr. Byrne; Dallas Makes 55 Cities Already Signed up for May 6, 2006
Important: get your city on the list for the Million Marijuana March, May 6, 2006!So far we have confirmed 56 cities:
Albuquerque
Amsterdam
Antwerp
BakersfieldBaselBernBirmingham
Boulder
Calgary
CordobaDallasDarwinEugene
Fayetteville
Ft. Smith
Hachita
Hartford
Kansas City
KnoxvilleLausanneLimaLocarno
Los Angeles
LuxembourgLuzernLyon
Minneapolis
Moscow
Nagaoka
NashuaNew York
Nimbin
Ogden
PaiaParisPhoenix
Portland
Raleigh
Rio de Janeiro
RoanokeRosarioRostock
Rotterdam
SalemSan DiegoStavanger
Steven's Point
St. Louis
Tel Aviv
Thunder BayTraverse City
Tucson
Vienna
Warsaw
Washington, D.C.
Zürich---------
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Nobel Prize genius Crick was high on LSD when he discovered the secret of lifeALUN REESFRANCIS CRICK, the Nobel Prize-winning father of modern genetics, was under the influence of LSD when he first deduced the double-helix structure of DNA nearly 50 years ago.The abrasive and unorthodox Crick and his brilliant American co-researcher James Watson famously celebrated their eureka moment in March 1953 by running from the now legendary Cavendish Laboratory in Cambridge to the nearby Eagle pub, where they announced over pints of bitter that they had discovered the secret of life.Crick, who died ten days ago, aged 88, later told a fellow scientist that he often used small doses of LSD then an experimental drug used in psychotherapy to boost his powers of thought. He said it was LSD, not the Eagle's warm beer, that helped him to unravel the structure of DNA, the discovery that won him the Nobel Prize.Despite his Establishment image, Crick was a devotee of novelist Aldous Huxley, whose accounts of his experiments with LSD and another hallucinogen, mescaline, in the short stories The Doors Of Perception and Heaven And Hell became cult texts for the hippies of the Sixties and Seventies. In the late Sixties, Crick was a founder member of Soma, a legalise-cannabis group named after the drug in Huxley's novel Brave New World. He even put his name to a famous letter to The Times in 1967 calling for a reform in the drugs laws.It was through his membership of Soma that Crick inadvertently became the inspiration for the biggest LSD manufacturing conspiracy the world has ever seen--the multimillion-pound drug factory in a remote farmhouse in Wales that was smashed by the Operation Julie raids of the late Seventies.Crick's involvement with the gang was fleeting but crucial. The revered scientist had been invited to the Cambridge home of freewheeling American writer David Solomon, a friend of hippie LSD guru Timothy Leary, who had come to Britain in 1967 on a quest to discover a method for manufacturing pure THC, the active ingredient of cannabis.It was Crick's presence in Solomon's social circle that attracted a brilliant young biochemist, Richard Kemp, who soon became a convert to the attractions of both cannabis and LSD. Kemp was recruited to the THC project in 1968, but soon afterwards devised the world's first foolproof method of producing cheap, pure LSD. Solomon and Kemp went into business, manufacturing 'acid' in a succession of rented houses before setting up their laboratory in a cottage on a hillside near Tregaron, Carmarthenshire, in 1973. It is estimated that Kemp manufactured drugs worth Pounds 2.5 million-an astonishing amount inthe Seventies-before police stormed the building in 1977 and seized enough pure LSD and its constituent chemicals to make two million LSD 'tabs'.The arrest and conviction of Solomon, Kemp and a string of co-conspirators dominated the headlines for months. I was covering the case as a reporter at the time and it was then that I met Kemp's close friend, Garrod Harker, whose home had been raided by police but who had not been arrested. Harker told me that Kemp and his girlfriend Christine Bott by then in jail were hippie idealists who were completely uninterested in the money they were making.They gave away thousands to pet causes such as the Glastonbury pop festival and the drugs charity Release.'They have a philosophy,' Harker told me at the time. 'They believe industrial society will collapse when the oil runs out and that the answer is to change people's mindsets using acid. They believe LSD can help people to see that a return to a natural society based on self-sufficiency is the only way
to save themselves.'Dick Kemp told me he met Francis Crick at Cambridge. Crick had told him that some Cambridge academics used LSD in tiny amounts as a thinking tool, to liberate them from preconceptions and let their genius wander freely to new ideas. Crick told him he had perceived the double-helix shape while on LSD.'It was clear that Dick Kemp was highly impressed and probably bowled over by what Crick had told him. He told me that if a man like Crick, who had gone to the heart of human existence, had used LSD, then it was worth using. Crick was certainly Dick Kemp's inspiration.' Shortly afterwards I visited Crick at his home, Golden Helix, in Cambridge.He listened with rapt, amused attention to what I told him about the role of LSD in his Nobel Prize-winning discovery. He gave no intimation of surprise.When I had finished, he said: 'Print a word of it and I'll sue.'From:kiers10@... Subject:Amazing !
my friend makes this comment:
hey,
i think this story might be bullshit, in part at
least. the woman who discovered how to photograph DNA
was betrayed by her male partner, who passed a picture
of DNA on to Crick and Watson at a cocktail party. She
was on the verge of the double helix model only to
have it taken away from her. science is such a competitive
sport...she later committed suicide.
seems like maybe it's more fun to claim you were frying on acid than that you stole the thing for which you were given a Nobel prize...
On Jun 11, 2005, at 5:43 AM, Sjonnygee . wrote:
You can learn a lot on this site , from the banal to the fascinating but ................. Francis Crick was instumental in the Operation Julie bust ?!?!!!!!!!!!!!! - I don't read mein kampf (sorry , the mail) so I missed that article - Surreal !!!------------------------From: KundaliniY@...hello,
I know this is a lot to read so please save it and when you find the time please do...
What happened to the Florida Medical Marijuana Referendum?
As you probably know ten states have passed voter referendums to allow the usage of medical marijuana. Californiaâ¤s voters passed proposition 215 in 1996. And even though, the Supreme Court recently ruled in favor of the Federal Government making it illegal under federal law, it has been a reality in California for almost ten years. Thousands of seriously ill patients have been able to alleviate their suffering using marijuana that was prescribed by a licensed physician.As Associate Director of the Coalition Advocation Marijuana ( CAMM ),
I saw first hand the plight of patients in Florida who had to obtain there medicine illegally.
AIDS patients beaten up by cops who told them ⤦ die faggot ⤦. Little old ladies facing the loss of their land for growing a few scraggly plants. Counties getting rich off of forfeitures, lending their helicopters and high tech surveillance gear to other counties so they could get rich as well.Dying AIDS & cancer patients not able to afford buying their medicine off the street.
Law abiding, tax paying American citizens criminalized for what's a basic fundamental right, self preservation.
Were talking about sick and sometimes dying patients fighting for their lives.
It's not a pretty sight. But can we look the other way when so many are needlessly suffering
over a simple health care issue? What is the basis for all this hysteria surrounding marijuana? If it wasn't safe and effective medicine would doctors in 10 states, 25% of the nation routinely prescribe it?
In 1997 a Political Action Committee ( PAC ) was formed and legally binding
FL Medical Marijuana voter petition was filed in Tallahassee. CAMM initiated a statewide campaign to gather signatures. 150,000 signatures of registered FL voters were needed to get the initiative on the FL ballot. I personally travelled across the state in my beat up Nissan Sentra with fellow CAMM board members, Kevin Aplin and federal medical marijuana patient Elvy Mussika. Elvy is one of seven federal patients left under the Compassionate Use Act. She suffers from glaucoma and the University of Miami's Baskin Palmer Eye Institute was instrumental in the her winning her case. I knew her from my days as one of the founding members of the University of Miami's Hemp Awareness Council, a student organization formed to educate the public of marijuana's use as a source of food, fuel, fiber and medicine. She receives her medicine monthly from the federal government in the form of big tin full of 300, yes 300 rolled marijuana cigarettes or "joints". Why 300 you ask? The federal marijuana that is grown at University of Mississippi in Biloxi and is very low in THC ( the active ingredient Tetra Hydro Cannabinol ) or in street parlance "swag".Seeds and stems included. That's why she has to smoke 10 joints a day. If she had high grade, potent marijuana she would only have to take a few puffs every hour or so.
This is the our government's Compassionate Use Act at work, a program that was ended under the Bush ( Sr. ) administration. While new patients applying for the program we're denied, the ones already in it we're grandfathered in.So now only 7 people in the entire U.S. are allowed to use marijuana medicinally under federal law. That's because all of the rest of the patients who were part of the Compassionate Use Program have since died.
Now can you picture me driving to every county in Florida in my beat up car with Elvy a nearly blind woman with her tin of 300 joints, collecting signatures and signing people up to collect signatures at every stop along the way? Every day, five days a week we would hold a press conference at a different county seat announcing the FL Medical Marijuana Referendum. All the local media, the newspapers and tv, would be there as well as patients, activists and vocal opponents. Elvy would smoke a joint on the courthouse steps and pandemonium would ensue. We started the campaign in Pensacola and wound our way to every county in the Panhandle ( affectionately known as the Redneck Riviera ) so you can imagine our reception.Thank God, Elvy was only arrested once and that was in Dixie County by some local cops who had to call D.C. to find out she really was legally prescribed to use marijuana. But that was not the case with hundreds of patients we came in contact with. Their stories would break your heart. A Multiple Sclerosis ( M.S.) patient who was severely debilitated, routinely harrassed and arrested by the police. Withering away AIDS patients not able to afford buying their medicine on the streets but not being able to keep food down without it. A seriously ill woman who's husband was arrested for growing a few plants for her on their land in rural Fountain, FL hung herself after he went jail and there was no there one to care for her. And then they tried to seize their land!I came to know these people, they welcomed us into their homes. They became family. I returned from a seven week campaign feeling like I just came back from a war. And I did. The War on Drugs. Regardless of your stand on the illegal use of drugs, sick and suffering patients should be able to obtain their medicine legally by prescription from their doctor.
And as far as marijuana not being a legitimate medicine that is far from the case. The AMA, the American Medical Association itself is in favor of medical marijuana. We had a reknown expert on the subject John P. Morgan M.D. fly in from NYU to testify in Tallahassee at the constitutional revision committee about the efficacy of marijuana as medicine. I highly recommend his book "Marijuana Myths, Marijuana Facts".
The test have been done! The authorites always say that they would be for the legalization of medical marijuana if there was more tests. George Stephanopoulis said that very same thing ( after also candidly admitting he used marijuana in high school ) when confronted by members of CAMM while on speaking tour at the O-dome in Gainesville.
The Federal Government conducted a exhausting study on medical marijuana, the Schafer Commission during the Nixon administration that came out in favor of it. Thousands of clinical trials have shown proof again and again that marijuana is a safe and effective medicine.
When marijuana was made illegal in 1938 under the Marijuana Tax Act, a representative of the AMA testified before Congress that cannabis was one of the most important drugs available and because of it's non toxicity for it's use for the children and the elderly and pleaded that it's use would not be restricted. It has been used since the beginning of time for everything from chronic pain to menstrual cramps. Women we're given it by mid wives to alleviate the pains of childbirth. Nowadays if a mother tests postive for marijuana they try and take away her baby!
This madness has to stop.
Not every state constitution allows for voter referendums and FL is one of the only southern state that does.
That why it is up to us to exercise our rights as voters to have our voice heard.
So what happened to FL Medical Marijuana Referendum?
The number of signatures needed to get it on the ballot was not met and eventually the referendum was rescinded.The doctors and lawyers on the board of CAMM who always complained there wasn't enough funding to get the job done always seemed to favor flying themselves out to conferences and the like then just mobilizing volunteers to hit the streets and get signatures! I personally got thousands and it was never hard to do. The Miami Herald did a poll that stated 60% of all Florida voters we're in favor of medical marijuana. This was in the late 90's and many, many more have been educated on the issue since that time. Of course educating the public of the facts is the key and the long term goal.
Can we the people of Florida come together on this issue and show a message of solidarity with those other ten states that have asserted their right to treat people with compassion?
All is not lost let's work to truly make this the land of liberty and justice for all.
Together we can make a difference.
thank you for taking the time to read this,
I love you all,
Glenn------Confirmation by Phone--Dallas: Doug Robinson 214-417-1564 [14606 Dallas Parkway (Apt 1055), Dallas, TX 75254]--------------Pot-like brain chemicals block pain
SCRIPPS HOWARD NEWS SERVICE
June 24, 2005
Researchers have found that marijuana-like chemicals in the brain help animals and people under extreme stress suppress pain and keep going despite a severe injury.
"This shows for the first time that natural marijuana-like chemicals in the brain have a link to pain suppression," said Daniele Piomelli, a professor of pharmacology at the University of California, Irvine , and senior author of a study published yesterday in the journal Nature.
"Aside from identifying an important function of these compounds, it [the study] provides a template for a new class of pain medications that can possibly replace others shown to have acute side effects," said Piomelli, who directs the Center for Drug Discovery at the school.
The research on rats suggests it is possible to design a pill that would have the same pain-relieving effects as smoked marijuana, but through an indirect mechanism that wouldn't carry the psychoactive side effects or legal perils of pot, the authors said.
The study has its roots in a phenomenon known as stress-induced analgesia. This is part of the body's primitive "fight or flight" survival kit that also makes our hearts race, our breathing quicken, reduces blood flow to some parts of the body and tightens our muscles as the parts of our brain that are key to sensing threats fire up to heightened awareness.
Scientists have long known that a surge of stress hormones gives wounded soldiers, accident victims, injured athletes and others a short period of time in which the body's pain reaction is delayed and they can keep going to complete a task or reach safety.Over time, researchers have determined that there are two types of stress-induced pain blockers, opioid and non-opioid, that work in most animals.
The new study provides the first evidence that the non-opioid form is produced by marijuana-like (cannabinoid) compounds, although other research has shown they play a role in blocking pain.
"If we design chemicals that tweak the levels of these transmitter substances in the brain, we might be able to boost their normal effects," Piomelli said.
Andrea Hohmann, a neuroscientist at the University of Georgia, said a new drug that increased the body's own natural marijuana-like compounds might work something like the antidepressant Prozac, which blocks the reuptake of the brain-signaling compound serotonin, causing it to remain active longer.She added that any new drug based on the research would probably be more effective and specific than smoked marijuana in providing pain relief.-------------------------------------------
Mimi Hill <mimi@...> wrote:
From: "Mimi Hill" <mimi@...>
To: <mimi@...>
Subject: Press Release: Saturday, July 16th -- WAMM March for Medical Marijuana
Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2005 17:44:12 -0700
PRESS RELEASE
For Immediate Release
THE WO/MEN'S ALLIANCE FOR MEDICAL MARIJUANA
WAMM
309 Cedar Street #39, Santa Cruz, CA 95060
phone 831.425.0580fax 831.425.0582The Wo/Men's Alliance for Medical Marijuana will host the WAMM March for Medical Marijuana on Saturday, July 16th, 2005 at 12 noon on the Pacific Garden Mall, in downtown Santa Cruz.The March will begin at the corner of Pacific Avenue and Cathcart Streets walking north and proceed to Church Street, then assemble at Santa Cruz City Hall where a press conference will be held at 1pm.We are expecting more than 1,000 people to participate in this demonstration of community solidarity opposing the recent decision of the Supreme Court and of Congress that leaves sick and dying Californians vulnerable to persecution from the federal government.In a symbolic act of compassionate access WAMM patient members will lead the March carrying live medical marijuana plants. This solemn event will honor the 154 WAMM members who have died since our inception in 1993.Details regarding supporting groups that will join us in the WAMM March for Medical Marijuana will follow.Mimi Hill
Executive Administrator
The Wo/Men's Alliance
for Medical Marijuana
(831) 425-0580
WAMM proudly sponsors:
www.wamm.org
www.santacruzvsashcroft.com
www.medical-marijuana-testimonials.orgwammguesthouse.org
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There are MMM 2005 city lists at these locations:
http://globalmarijuanamarch.org
http://mercycenters.org/events/MMM_Citys_2005.htm
http://www.geocities.com/tents444/mmm2005.htm and
http://corporatism.tripod.com/mmm2005.htm and
http://www.corporatism.netfirms.com/mmm2005.htm and
http://www.angelfire.com/rnb/y/mmm2005.htm and
http://members.fortunecity.com/multi19/mmm2005.htm
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Please forward widely! Million Marijuana March. MMM.
The MMM 2005 city links are always clickable at these mirrors below.MMM world map with many more links. Frequently updated:
http://corporatism.tripod.com/mmm2005map.htm and
http://www.corporatism.netfirms.com/mmm2005map.htm and
http://www.angelfire.com/rnb/y/mmm2005map.htm and
http://members.fortunecity.com/multi19/mmm2005map.htm
Click the region names in the left chart column to go to their city lists.
Click the "countries" link to go to the list of countries.
Worldwide.
With less than 5% of the world's population
the USA has over 2.2 million of the world's
9 million prisoners!:
http://corporatism.netfirms.com/rates.htm and
http://corporatism.netfirms.com/world.htm
MMM (Million Marijuana March).
City list and world map:
http://corporatism.netfirms.com/mmm2005map.htm
Yahoo Group:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/cannabisaction
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*****BUSHWHACKED!!*********************************British Officials Predicted "Disaster" in Iraqhttp://www.truthout.org/docs_2005/062805Z.shtml
Stirling Newberry: The December Decision
http://www.truthout.org/docs_2005/070105X.shtml
Impasse Ends, Clears Way for DeLay Probe
http://www.truthout.org/docs_2005/070105J.shtml
Pace of Troop Deaths up in Iraq
http://www.truthout.org/docs_2005/070105K.shtml
USA Today's Chief: Withdraw from Iraq, Bush 'Lied'
http://www.truthout.org/docs_2005/070105L.shtml
Mike Whitney | Covering Up Napalm in Iraq
http://www.truthout.org/docs_2005/070105M.shtmlCode Dumb: Look Who's Spying on Your Granny
http://www.truthout.org/docs_2005/070105G.shtml
Paul Krugman | America Held Hostage
http://www.truthout.org/docs_2005/070105C.shtml
Bush Speech Changes No Opinions
http://www.truthout.org/docs_2005/070105D.shtml
US Sniper Kills Another Journalist in Iraq
http://www.truthout.org/docs_2005/070105E.shtmlMarjorie Cohn | The Creeping Draft
http://www.truthout.org/docs_2005/070105A.shtml2005-05-29Snowflake babies.* Mike Slaven
From Bush's frozen embryo baby press conference, via CNN:
The bill would allow researchers to use some 400,000 embryos that
were created for in vitro fertilization and would likely otherwise be
discarded. President Bush opposes that and held a news conference last
week to promote adopting the embryos, which he called "snowflake
babies."
What?
Anyone who has any idea, please tell me what the hell it means to be a
"snowflake baby."
But in other news, Sen. Arlen Specter, the moderate Republican who is
pushing for the stem cell bill in the Senate, had a staggering
discussion with Sen. Sam Brownback of Kansas, who is threatening (oh,
the irony) to filibuster the bill.
Throughout the exchange on ABC's This Week you see a distinctive
pattern of Specter delivering level-headed moral appeals and Brownback
tripping over Jesus on his way to making a point. I would bold the
good parts, but they're all unbelievable:
[Brownback] also argued repeatedly during the ABC program that
embryos are "the youngest of human life" and at one point asked
Specter and host George Stephanopoulos when their lives began.
Specter replied that he was "a lot more concerned, at this point,
about when my life is going to end," to which Brownback responded that
he prays for the Pennsylvanian and asked again when life starts.
"It certainly doesn't start in a laboratory dish," Specter
replied. "This potential for life on these embryonic stem cells cannot
begin to occur unless it's implanted back in a woman. We know for
sure, life does not start in a laboratory dish."
Brownback was not persuaded, however, saying that the embryos are
"sacred" and "should be treated as such."
It's hard to pick one line to be particularly amazed at there, whether
it's Brownback's empty, stupid and tacky question to his questioners
(Senator, they're interviewing you, you jackass); whether it's
Specter's germane and deliciously macabre one-line zinger in response;
Brownback's lamely pious retort that he's "praying" for Specter when
his colleague needs treatment, not prayers; or Specter's eminent
reasoning on the beginning of life followed by Brownback's vapid and
wilting rhetoric.
But that's basically the whole debate. Republicans can talk about howa cluster of 100 cells is a human being, but they can't hold a press
event where Bush kisses Arlen Specter's shiny bald head.
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Everybody Must Get Busted Supreme Court Rules Against the Sick
By STEW ALBERT
The Supreme Court says federal law takes precedent over state law and so government agents can break in on pot smoking cancer or HIV patients and arrest them. They can do this even if state laws allow the use of medical marijuana under the directions of a doctor. It seems everyday we must ask ourselves just how far the George Bush Cruelty State can and will go. It's not enough to lie the country into war, or steal from the poor for the ravenous benefit of the super rich, now sick dying people can be arrested for smoking weed in order to alleviate their crushing misery.
A few years back my old friend Anita Hoffman, former wife of Abbie, lay dying of cancer. The murderous disease started out in her breast and spread to her bones. She was a goner and she knew it. My wife and I visited with her in San Francisco and she was sinking fast. She was in considerable pain and suffered from nausea. She fought these horrors by smoking pot kindly provided to her by two woman who grew it and were attempting to develop strains of pot that were especially aimed at helping ease the pain and suffering sick.
Did the marijuana help? It certainly did. Getting a bit high eased Anita's pain and the nausea. Indeed she was even able to eat a few bites of food and her mood, humor and sociability improved considerably. Medical pot could not save her life but it made her last days easier and she was much more able to relate to visiting friends and family.
Now a two-thirds majority of the Supreme Court says the Bush Justice Department would have had the right to arrest Anita on her death bed. And it would have come to that because Anita didn't need laws to tell her she had a right to do whatever was necessary to keep herself together at the end of her life.
I can remember a hopeful time when I visited a medical marijuana club in Los Angeles. It was where sick people came to obtain pot if they had the equivalent of a doctor's prescription. It was also the place where an unbelievable amount of tenderly cared for, appropriately fed and warmed marijuana was grown. Besides the presence of fields of growing weed what most stuck out in my mind was the startling appearance of an LA cop. For a moment I thought the joint was being raided, but how could that be, since the club was operating legally under California law? It turned out the cop benevolently was there to talk with a club member who had earlier been mugged in the street. But all that was before the Welfare State was replaced by its mocking opposite. That was when the suffering Anitas of California didn't have to worry that they might wind up being handcuffed by Feds to their death beds.
Stew Albert runs the Yippie Reading Room. His memoir, Who the Hell is Stew Albert?,
is just out from Red Hen Press. He can be reached at: stewa@...-------------------The Second Coming of Philip K. Dick (continued)
http://www.wired.com/wired/archive/11.12/philip.html?pg=6
The Metaphysics of Philip K. Dick
Don't know Dick? Here's his philosophy in capsule form. (Warning: May
cause anxiety or dizzyness.)
by Erik Davis
1. FALSE REALITIES
Today we are almost bored by the idea that reality is a just a
construct - neuroscience, postmodernism, and The Matrix have made sure
of that. But Dick remains the supreme mythmaker of the false reality.
His 1959 novel, Time Out of Joint, was the original Truman Show, while
his 1964 book, The Three Stigmata of Palmer Eldritch, describes a
society that succumbs to permanent hallucination. Faced with such
illusions, Dick's characters have to ask, "What is real?" because
their lives (and sanity) are on the line. That's why hipster Hollywood
loves him: Dick turned metaphysics into a whodunit.
2. HUMAN VS. MACHINE
Dick wanted to know how, in a technological society, we can recognizethe authentically human. He saw the line between people and machines
become hopelessly blurred. So his human characters often behave like
cruel robots, while spunky gadgets - like the automatic cabbie in Now
Wait for Last Year - can be sources of wisdom and kindness. And in
"The Electric Ant," when businessman Garson Poole discovers that he is
actually an android, he doesn't despair. Instead, he begins toreprogram himself.
3. ENTROPY
One thing you learn from drug addiction, five marriages, and a
visionary imagination is how easily your world can fall apart. Perhaps
this was why Dick was obsessed with how things decay. He even invented
a word for one of entropy's most ordinary manifestations: "kipple,"
which he defined as all the useless crap that creeps into our daily
lives, like junk mail and gum wrappers and old newspapers. Don't
bother fighting it - Dick's First Law of Kipple states that "Kipple
drives out nonkipple."
4. THE NATURE OF GOD
Dick was a garage philosopher, an autodidact who read voraciously in
religion and metaphysics. Sometimes his speculations leaked into
everyday life. In 1974, undergoing a psychotic and/or mystical break,
Dick encountered a cosmic force he later called Valis, which stands
for Vast Active Living Intelligence System - a cybernetic God. But
keep on your toes: To sneak into our fallen world, Valis must disguise
itself as TV ads or trash - or pulpy sci-fi entertainment.
5. SOCIAL CONTROL
Dick was always pretty paranoid. But when thieves broke into his home
in 1971, it sent him over the edge. Soon he came to believe that all
political tyrannies were facets of one cosmic oppressor: the Black
Iron Prison, a timeless archetype that he associated with the Roman
Empire. Dick sometimes thought that history was an illusion and that
the Nixon administration's dirty tricks only proved that "The Empire
never ended." One wonders what he would think today.<< Page 5 Page 7 >>From:marko@... Subject:Philip K. Dick
Hi Dana,
look at this part of the article at
http://www.telegraphindia.com/1050626/asp/foreign/story_4916767.asp
The most lifelike robot on display was one depicting the late science
fiction writer Philip K. Dick created by Dallas start-up Hanson Robotics.
Seated naturally on a sofa, the figure.s face contorted into human
expressions . frowning, blinking, smiling . and replied to visitors.
comments using a software programme that chose from among 10,000 pages of
Dick.s writings. Cameras behind its eyes could .recognise. acquaintances.
Initially a museum piece or fancy toy, the androids could one day become
companions for the elderly, the company.s Steve Prilliman said.
The photo is at
http://www.mikeslist.com/
somewhere towards the middle...
Just thought it would be interesting to you
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First published on Thursday 14 April 2005:'It was like watching a movie of my past'
Extracted from the rootbark of an African plant used in tribal rituals,
ibogaine takes users on a mind-altering journey in which they face their own fears.
Paul Willis reports on a radical new treatment for drug addiction.
ALTHOUGH the details of Louise Young's life make for shocking reading, for
those used to working with drug addicts, they have a depressingly familiar ring.
Louise, from Brotton, near Saltburn, was just 12 years old when she started
using heroin. Beset by family problems and caught up in a relationship with a
drug dealer boyfriend five years her senior, Louise was a lost soul. Between
bouts of pickpocketing and shoplifting to feed her £50 a day habit, Louise
hardly found time for school or her family.
Before long she was living in crack houses in Middlesbrough, stealing, doing
whatever she had to in order to survive and, by her own admission, out of
control.
"Through the drugs I was more violent than anything else," she says. "I think
I was very angry at the world and that came out when I was on heroin."
A short stint in prison for an assault on a girl in a children's home and a
move to London didn't change things and, as Louise drifted from hostels to
crashing on friend's floors, she seemed destined to become just another statistic.
But then, two years ago, something extraordinary happened. At a friend's
health shop in London she bumped into Edward Conn. The pair soon started seeing
one another and Edward, who had had his own issues with drugs in the past, heard
about Louise's heroin habit.
He told her about a treatment clinic for drug addiction he had set up using
an unlicensed drug called ibogaine. Ibogaine is a psychoactive alkaloid derived
from the rootbark of an African plant called iboga.
Iboga has been used for hundreds, if not thousands, of years by tribes in The
Gabon, in central Africa, as part of their social and religious rituals.
In recent years, it has been adopted in the West as a radical, if largely
unknown, treatment for drug and alcohol dependency.
But for Louise, her own immediate concerns and the destructive cycle of
addiction she was caught in meant that, at first, she was not much interested in a
cure, let alone one as crackpot-sounding as an African tribal drug.
She says: "My over-riding concern at the time was getting a roof over my head
and my next fix. I think I was afraid of getting better. For nearly ten years
heroin had been my life and it was really scary to imagine what I'd do
without the drug."
Not long after meeting Edward, Louise's needle use led to an abscess which
needed 12 operations and nearly resulted in her losing her hand.
"I was in hospital a long time and not well at all through the drugs," she
says. "I was very wary of trusting anyone, but Edward came to visit me a lot and
little by little he began to win me over."
Despite continued reservations, Louise, who is now 22, decided to try
ibogaine. Edward, however, was reluctant about giving the treatment to his girlfriend.
The few scientific studies conducted with the drug appear to suggest that a
single dose has the ability to remove the symptoms of drug withdrawal and
reduce drug-craving for a period of time after it has been taken. Taken in large
doses it produces a dream-like state lasting for hours and, during these
trances, users often describe witnessing scenes from their own past.
It is widely believed the drug's psychoactive properties help people
understand and resolve the issues behind their addictive behaviour.
Last year, Edward was featured in a BBC documentary helping film maker David
Scott get off methadone. He has been treating people with ibogaine for four
years.
But this was the first time he considered administering the treatment to
someone so close to him.
Edward, 34, says: "I had a lot of resistance to it because of my emotional
involvement with Louise. Here was someone I was in a very rich relationship with
and who I was starting to get to know, and the idea of unlocking her psyche
actually scared me quite a lot."
Louise's first treatment with ibogaine was unsuccessful. Her father had
recently died and, after taking the drug, she was confronted with images of him. "I
saw his eyes vividly in front of me," she says. "I couldn't really deal with
that emotionally so I went back to heroin, probably to block out the pain."
Despite this setback, a few months later Louise plucked up the courage to
give the treatment a second chance and, under the watchful eye of Edward, she
spent 24 hours under the effects of the drug.
Many of the accounts of those who have taken ibogaine include seeing vivid
hallucinations involving real scenes from the person's past. Tribal members
taking part in rituals involving the iboga plant often describe being visited by
spirits from the forest.
"It was like watching an old movie reel of your past," Louise says. "I saw
lots of scenes from my childhood, scenes where I was abused. And, for the first
time, I could make sense of them. That is, I understood what had happened to
me and I understood why those people had done it. I wasn't afraid because I
could talk about it with Edward as I was seeing it."
Later, during the treatment, Louise vomited, a common side-effect. "I was
sick, but I didn't feel nauseous. It was more like I was getting rid of all the
negative emotions."
That was 18 months ago and Louise hasn't touched heroin since. After spending
half her life under the control of the drug she has finally been able to
reclaim her life. And though she says the ibogaine hasn't taken away the
temptation to use heroin, it has helped put her drug use into context.
Edward, too, is careful to explain that ibogaine is not a one-hit cure for
addiction, but is only effective as part of a long-term course of treatment
which also includes counselling and therapy.
He says: "Ibogaine takes away your need for the drug for a few months but
when it comes to examining the cause of your addictive behaviour, you're talking
about a lot of therapy. I think what ibogaine does as much as anything is
provide addicts with the will to get better."
Despite the apparently miraculous results that ibogaine seems to offer,
health authorities around the world are stalling over its development as a licensed
drug. Although it was licensed for trials in the US in the early 1990s, these
were discontinued. In the UK it is classed as an unlicensed experimental
medication. It is not an offence to possess ibogaine, but distributing it may be
breaking the law, although this is a grey area.
Edward's own treatment centre is one of only three in the UK and is the only
one to provide a full holistic service. The main stumbling block seems to be
the hallucinogenic properties of the drug.
"It is a totally revolutionary way of treating addiction and I think
governments have a lot of difficulty getting their minds round that," he says.
Many in the West wrongly assume that the use of mind-altering drugs is a
modern trend. In fact, right back to the ancients, civilisations from as far apart
as Siberia and South America have been experimenting with drugs.
It is not inconceivable that, at the same time as cultures in Asia were first
learning to get high on the opium flower (from which heroin is produced), the
shamans of Africa were themselves beginning to understand the unique effects
of the iboga plant.
It is ironic that our desire to seek out mind-altering states provides both
the cause and a potential solution to the blight of drug addiction.
For Louise at least this seems to ring true. She is now taking the first
tentative steps towards putting her life back together, including enroling on a
college course.
She says: "It's great to just wake up in the morning and feel happy. That'senough for me at the moment."From:tinkerbell.sarah@... Subject:Re: [Ibogaine] coupla questions
Welcome Home!
You're in the right spot. All I can do is share my personal
experience, and hope that it helps, in whatever way. I've just
finally convinced the eyes to open, and am in the process of
caffeinating, so forgive me if this is a bit disjointed!
The average craving lasts physically for roughly 20 minutes, I've been
told. I've used it as a guideline, occasionally counting off the
seconds until the full twenty minutes was over, using it as a way to
convince myself that if i got through those first 20 minutes, I could
then get through the next 20. The seconds may pass like individual
years, but if you can put a bunch of 20 minute segments together, you
end up with a day, then 2. Meditation helps a bit, if you work at it.
There's one that I was given for panic attacks and the like, and it'sa flexible meditation exercise, in that you use visually what ever isin front of you to start. When driving with my Mom the other day( you
need meditation and benzos to get through a quick jaunt to the store
with her-she's a frightening driver :])I tried it out, and found that
it distracted me away from the immediate freak out. So here's what you
can do. I chose a bird I saw sitting on a telephone pole, and in my
mind went through where the bird was and what the scene around him
was. Example, (mumbling under my breath while Mom looked sideways at
me with growing concern) The sun is shining on the bird, and on thebird is a feather, and on the feather is a mite, and on the mite there
is an eye that looks back up in the sky and sees the sun. Then there
was a rock that lay on the side of the road, and had a bit of moss, in
which lived a flea, who had a leg that stood on the lichen, and stared
back up at the sun. It worked in that it interrupted my thought
process by forcing me to go into detail about something around me, andallowed me to separate the immediate anxiety out for a minute. Itdoesn't always work, but it's a good distraction tool, and it can get
silly depending on the flora and fauna in your neck of the woods. The
sun shines down on the platypus that sits on a rock in the water,
where there is a fish with a digereedoo(sp?) who plays for the koala
that sleeps in the tree above the fish and the platypus? Try it out,
it may help...at the worse, you'll end up giggling :]
I'd like to suggest some sort of counselling for both of you. Withoutmy group therapy and my individual sessions, I would be a completebasket case! I mean, I still am a basket case, but a much more highly
functioning one. I think that this should be right on top of your
list of things to do, especially if there's anyone having suicidal
thoughts. Having a support system in place for both of you is
imperative, and seeing a counselor of some sort together might help
you through some of the stress that addiction and other things put on
your relationship.
I saw red flags all over the place when you said that you had agreed
to let her use once a month, only speed? There is no only once a
month, for me anyway. Stopping your drug use has to be a decision
made by the person that's trying to stop, in my experience. Until I
came to the point where I was literally willing to do absolutely
anything to get and stay clean, I was relapsing over and over, and
though the time in between relapses grew after a while, it only takes
once to die. There's a saying that I've heard repeated to me over andover, and it makes sense: You have to go after your recovery with allof the vigor and enthusiasm of getting high. I've had an incredible
time of it, figuring this one out, and am by far from there, but
getting closer. She has to want to stop and be willing to do anything
it takes. It's that simple and that complicated. Again, this is justfrom my own experiences, but until I said that I was willing to dowhat ever it took to stay clean, and then actually DID what I was
saying I was willing to do, I went through that miserable cycle of
using, a little here and there, then stopping, mild withdrawal,
climbing walls, clean time for a blurb, then right back to it. I
don't believe, for me, any way, that it's possible to just use once a
month. I've never had that work out, and I tried a million times. I
had to remove myself completely from the scene before I got anywhere,
and still have to avoid certain people and places. Some times, a
snippet of a song, or a smell, little things, will bring me right back
into the heart of it in my mind, but I've learned how to deal with it
much more successfully thanks to some wonderful therapists.
Benzo's have a rotten withdrawal to them as well. Is that part of the
problem, maybe?
In brief wrap up ( I had two flat tires yesterday and have to go get
them taken care of-ugh!), I want to stress the importance of having an
outside support system for the both of you!! having a place or a
group, or an individual counselor to down load to , as well as getting
feedback, has been the key to my staying clean. I go a minimum of
once a week, but when I started out, I went to group counseling 3
times a week, and individual sessions twice weekly. NA has helped to
a certain extent, but that's a personal issue on my part :] You can
get an awful lot of info and help from this list, and am glad to see
you made it here! When I first signed up, I was detoxing off of mybupe, and having this list helped me through some exceedingly roughpatches, and in all sorts of ways.
It would be lovely to hear from Amanda herself, and a bit about you aswell, Boris. I've found that having a voice speak for me inevitablyends up with some sort of malfunction, and by making myself face my
issues by speaking up, or typing out, has helped immeasurably.
You can only change yourself, and be there to help another when they
need it, but it has to come from you personally(or it did for me).
Please keep moving forward! You've got a lot of good people here who
will help out, if only to listen and respond, as well as point you in
a direction that might be helpful. It always comes back down to what
you find you're willing to do for yourself, though.
Welcome home!
lovetinkFrom:bleshins@... Subject:RE: [Ibogaine] coupla questions
Hey tink,
Thanks for the advise!
You're right about the counseling. Mandy is seeing a counselor herself
and only once a week, but it would be difficult for me to join her, as I
work full time, and the hours the counselor is available clash with my
work hours. I'll have to have a bit of a think about that and see what
we can do.. maybe see someone else or I could try get some time of work.
You're right, it may be time for me to get some feedback on my handling
of the situation.
And from what you said, makes me think once a week is not really
enough..
The only using once a month thing is a tricky one.. The experience has
been that once Mandy hits that wall of cravings they just peak and it is
pretty constant, to the point of loss of control. We tried the zero use
approach, but in the end it wasn't working (and my questions are about
how to make it work), so the decision was to make use less and less
frequent just for a few months - 2 months, then 2 and half, 3 and then
stop completely. If she used she had to talk to me about it first and
hold out as long as she could - without me monitoring it she would have
quickly spun out of control - she's done plenty of time on the "I'll
just do it occasionally" relapse merry-go-round. She only made it over 2
months once. After every slip up there is always the immediate promise
that it won't happen again, at least for a long time, but when it became
evident that was not going to work we had to be a bit flexible a bit
longer, so Mandy can get her head and her life in order, and be able to
deal with the cravings better. And she has been getting better. Before,
once the cravings started, that was it, they did not go away, just keep
intensifying and staying intense. Now she can get through them a bit,
and they are not as constant, coming and going, intensifying and easing
up just a bit. Still, it's been a slow improvement and still extremely
hard for her, so she is pretty keen to try Ibogaine.
We are at a stage again now, when Mandy has said no more slip-ups againand is trying her best. Has been battling through the cravings so far.
She is trying with everything she's got, I know that for sure.
There is not much to say about me that's really relevant to the list, Ithink. I have not been addicted to any substance besides nicotine, never
used opiates, never anything IV, but have tried most other drugs,
recreationally. Used to like psychedelics, not sure if Ibogaine would be
for me though. I am doing my best to help my girlfriend get through
this. We got together when she was off the H for a couple of months and
things got more serious towards the end of last year.. it was always a
condition of the relationship that she would stay clean, but I've had to
be a little flexible about it last few months, because I decided she is
was worth it to me. So we're battling on together, making slow progress.
Thanks a lot for your feedback, anyways! I've found it helpful, and I
think Mandy has too.. come to think of it, you're the first person who's
had experience with heroin addiction I've really bounced off details of
the situation with. Mandy sometimes talks to some of her friends who've
been through it for some support, but I've been going through it in a
bit of a vacuum, I guess because I am more of a do it yourself kind of
person, not used to asking for help - not last few years anyway.
I was surprised no one else had anything to reply to my questions..
Noone else had any experience that qualifies you to answer any of myquestions or are people too preoccupied with argueing about Dr Mash (who
sounds pretty cool to me, btw)? If anyone missed it, I was basically
asking what techniques people use to fight the cravings and what your
opinion/experience is with using benzos to fight them off. I guess from
what I've read so far and been told the answer to my question reIbogaine is that it would help, but still not sure if to go for a full
dose or smaller doses, as Mandy has not been physically addicted for
over year..
I did get one private reply, thanks for that one too!
Here's a few words from Mandy:
Hi there Tink, Boris showed the email you wrote to him, your reply was
appreciated, well written and very helpful. I've begun to try your
picturing technique, both of us thought it was totally charming, I'll
let you know how I find it. My cravings come and go, though sometimes
they have me in tears. It's so hard sometimes there's a place in me that
wants to give up, it seems impossible to never have that again, I can't
put myself to sleep because there is people who care {sacred) it would
solve nothing and who knows what's just around the corner. As well as
being wrong.I have decided not to use once a month or whatever, as it
causes Boris pain, and is unfair as you know he is doing all he can to
get me past this and be healed. It is an awesome blessing in my life
now, his strength and patience, support and love have saved my life,
surely true. It's sure slow going, as you know, but you get what you
wish, true, and it is great to be moving back to a place to grow, to
have potential. I'd like to hear more about you if you'd like, most of
my using was off my own bat so I know few others that understand, I
believe in you, and that you have faith I can be free gives me heart.
Thank you Tink, may peace go in your heart, now and always. Blessed be.
Cheers
Boris and Mandybleshins@... Subject:RE: [Ibogaine] RE: [Mandy
Boris,
What does Mandy do with her time? I know from past detoxes and staying
clean that I had no direction, hobby, job etc to keep me occupied so
inevitably the ole cravings monster would return because I was doing
nothing and I guess, was bored! Being used to using drugs for
motivation, it's too easy to go back to them.
Just a thought...from the crusty recesses of my brain lol.
Kirk
hey Kirk,
yep, that's a good point, but not quite Mandy's problem at the moment.
She is working part time and for a while was actually too busy with work
(mostly waitressing) and other things and the stress (new job too) and
tiredness only added to the cravings. Now its kind of some days arereally busy and stressful with work and stuff and other days there is
not much to do. She is getting a better balance now, asked for shorter
shifts at work and trying to get back into doing some yoga and
meditation, as she used to do years ago, before drugs took over from
everything else.
A slight problem is lack of day to day rhythm, work roster changing all
the time, having various other things on, like councelling changing time
week to week, seeing a Chinese doctor to treat her back twice a week,
etc keeps her busy, but a bit unsettled.. hard to set a daily time to do
yoga, for example, as every day is different.
Yep, motivation is a big thing, when you're used to using drugs to do
anything - to go to work, to clean the house, doing it all straight is
hard to get used to, especially when your body is battered from years of
drug abuse - especially amphetamines. It will take her a while to get
her energy back.
I don't think the cravings are worse on days when she has not much to
do, compared to days when she is busy. But they ARE worse on days when
she is TOO busy.
Borisbleshins@...
Subject:RE: [Ibogaine] amino acid
I've read about a number of amino acids being used to treat drug cravings and restoring the balance of neurotransmitters in the brain, but as someone already said, don't know of one that works like magic for withdrawal.
Here's a couple of links that may jog your memory, that list amino acids useful in treating addiction.
http://www.counselormagazine.com/display_article.asp?aid=Nutritional_Gene_Theraphy.asp
http://www.docbluminc.com/
Mandy is currently following the amino acid program from the book "End your addiction now".
Just started recently, says its helping to ease the cravings a bit, might post a report in a few weeks if we find they help.
About the book and the program in it here:http://www.powerrecovery.com/PR/
Of the top of my head, DLPA (DL-phenalalanine) restores endorphins and leucine + methionine restore enkephalids, depleted by opiate use. DLPA has been shown to be a very powerful painkiller (google that one, heaps of info around). So maybe that's the one?
Glutamine (or theanine) help the brain restore GABA supplies. GHB, which has been shown to ease withdrawal, also restores GABA. Sabril, an epilepsy drug, shown in studies to ease cravings in cocaine addicts, also restores GABA. So perhaps this is why glutamine is useful. Have not read anything about it being used in actual withdrawal though - only after, to ease cravings.
You can read about the other amino acids useful for treating addiction at the sites above.
cheersBoris
-----Original Message-----
From: ROCKYM CARAVELLI [mailto:rockymcaravelli@...]
Sent: Thursday, 9 June 2005 11:18 AM
To: ibogaine@...Subject: [Ibogaine] amino acidi've got a question about the name of a specific amino acid in the reconstruction of cells during detox the same amino acid that the body has to replace an enzyme that causes the sickness of withdrawl i worked with a guy who was on 180 mg. methadone and we used a daily regiment of 30mg of ibogaine for 4 days after the initial 15mg per kilo flood on day one .i for the life of me cannot remember the amino acid i wrote it down but some how lost track.. anyway i had my own doctor at the clinic for methadone i attended the year before explain this process so i understand the importance of this specific amino acid if anybody knows please let me know its not the combo of , its one.... the results were amazing at 8;30 am. when he would take this he felt almost as if there was no sence of discomfort as if there was no internal struggle in the body happenning by 12:00 pm. some symptoms would begin mostly cold in the core of the legs at that time we would administer the 30 mg. booster of ibogaine that would arrest any further symptoms .this seems to be a helpful agent in the post accute withdrawls .. thanx rockyFrom:bleshins@... Subject:Re: [Ibogaine] RE:Neurotransmitters depletion - Avoid anti depressants. Feed the brain with the good stuff.
Interesting link..
It talk about boosting serotonin with 5htp and boosting dopamine with l-dopa and that both serotonin and dopamine need to be boosted together, as boosting either one will result in the depletion of the other. I didn't know that, thanks for the info!
Just wanted to add that L-phenylalanine is the pre-cursor to L-tyrosine. And l-tyrosine is the precursor to L-dopa.
So supplementing L-phenylalanine or L-tyrosine will also work in boosting dopamine (and the other catecholamines), as per links I posted earlier.
Boris
---- "E. Claudia Bilbao-Love" <ecbl@...> wrote:
http://www.neuroreplete.com/
My name is Claudia I've been doing amino acid therapy since 2 years ago. Check the neuroreplete web site has a lot of information. Guys my husband Pat is in Mexico Tijuana right now in the vision stage. I have to say that the amino acids combined witha healthy life style, healing chacras w/ meditation is my way to be in harmonyThanks so much for your thoughts. It help me to understand my husband disease.Good night,
Claudia
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Am 14.06.2005 um 22:43 schrieb Beatrice Blue:
How is the Ethnogarden's extract different from Indra's? Anyone know?
Seems very expensive comparatively. Just curious.
Thanks!
beatriceblue
the ethnogarden extract is pure alkaloids while what is usually labeled "extract" is concentrated root bark with something between 3 to 15% alkaloids, afaik. the ethnostuff sounds interesting, maybe it feels like somewhere in the middle between HCl and rootbark.
i wonder if the ethnogarden extract isn´t HCl, too? and how "ordinary" extract is made out of the root bark?-ekkiFrom:slowone@... Subject:Re: [Ibogaine] Re: OT anti-depressants
On Sat, 11 Jun 2005 01:32:44 -0700 stowe01@... wrote:
I found a chat line like this on bupe
and i became interested in it. ...
I am on my 5th day and I feel great.
I feel like myself again. My sleep is wonderful. I have
absoulutely no cravings and no w/d at all.
... I really feel great today.
I thought that I would miss the euphoria that hydrocodone gave me
but I dont. My only adverse reacions that seem like they are
common is that I will be tired for the firt two weeks and I have
twitches from the way that it works against the neutrons. I asked
for something to sleep because the twitches keep me up he said
that they will go away and he asked me to go a week and we will
see. I have to work so I have to sleep so I talked to some people
on the chat line that had tapered perfect ly and they said they
used valium to sleep so I got some and that helped to make this
even better.
It's great that you found something that is working for you. Watch
out for the valium though - benzodiazepines are apparently one of
the harder addictions to break, and ibogaine will not help withthem.From:sara119@... Subject:Re: [Ibogaine] Re: OT anti-depressants
what I have noticed as helpful was magic mushrooms tea mix before bedtimeso even if you don't sleep you have a good time ; ). small doses during
day time (without the tripping)to ease withdrawals and good mood.From:rockymcaravelli@... Subject:Re: [Ibogaine] Re: OT anti-depressants neurontin is an anti convulsion medication and used for manic bi polar 1st. hand exp. used it 2 days after my detox 1200 mg. helped peel me off the ceiling is stable and helped for sleep compatable with detox and was very helpful went up to 1800 after 3 days stabalized mood i know it helped without major side effects in some cases we used it with patients in mexico its known as gabapentina over the counter there . little note after 2nd. treatment i no longer have had to treat bi polar have had no mania and have been off all psycotropic mood stabalizers for 1 year amazing considering i was a registerd J cat in institutions wasn't bad always got my own room and a little camera to watch how i was doing . for 10 years the pumped every combonation of mood stabalizers my favorite self med. was methamphetamine though it got rid of the mania it had this psycotic side effect . I sometimes wonder if doctors ever really had a fair chance of knowing what was really wrong with me other than the obvious being an addict..thanx everyone for your personal experiences rockyFrom:bleshins@... Subject:[Ibogaine] gabapentin
300 mg gabapentin before bed works well for some (good sleep and
good feeling in the morning), but makes others uneasy:
http://www.psycom.net/depression.central.gabapentin.html
decided to look this one up, as a possibity for controlling cravings, and found some interesting info that may particularly apply to Steve's case.
http://www.crazymeds.org/neurontin.html
"Neurontin (gabapentin) has a weird drug-drug interaction with opiates. The opiates make Neurontin (gabapentin) work better, but the Neurontin (gabapentin) makes the opiates less efficient! It's weird, and since Neurontin (gabapentin) isn't really metabolized, who the hell knows what the deal is with that. This is spelled out in the PI sheet, but who reads those, right? When you take Neurontin (gabapentin) along with hydrocodone (a.k.a. Vicodin), it decreases the bioavailability of the hydrocodone by up to 22%! While the bioavailability of Neurontin (gabapentin) is increased by 14%. It's even odder when combined with morphine. As Mouse points out there's an element of timing involved, as the one article on the interaction has morphine administered two hours before the Neurontin (gabapentin). The morphine was unaffected, having pretty much been on its way towards peak plasma, but the Neurontin (gabapentin) bioavailability was increased by a whopping 44%! We have no idea if this effect carries over to the artificial opiods, like Demerol or buprenorphine."
Also seems like a good alternative to benzos for anxiety - much less side-effects, much less severe withdrawal, much less addictive.
http://www.priory.com/focus8.htm#Tolerability
http://www.vcu-cme.com/gaba/overview.html
its similar to vigabatrin, which can been used to treat cravings
http://www.scienceblog.com/community/older/2003/G/20034697.html
but may have some advantages over it, including less side effects.
It seems using these drugs for a few months to control cravings reduces cravings in the long run, as opposed to using benzos, which have all those side-effects which would increase cravings.
There is also a form of it, Pregabalin
http://anxietyhelp.org/treatment/medication/pregabalin.html
that is stronger, is as effective as Xanax for anxiety, but is very new and seems to have more severe side effects than gabapentin. was only approved in Europe last year.
cheersBorisFrom:bleshins@... Subject:Re: [Ibogaine] gabapentin pt2
further googling came up with this:
Letter to the Editor
Gabapentin Therapy for Cocaine Cravings
WILFRID NOËL RABY, PH.D., M.D.
New York, N.Y.
To the Editor: A difficult aspect of treatment for cocaine addiction is the recurrent nature of cravings, even long after active use has ceased. Cravings can be controlled in the early stages of withdrawal, but pharmacological agents that can abate cocaine cravings beyond the withdrawal phase are still wanting. I report on two patients with a long history of cocaine addiction in whom cravings were greatly reduced by daily use of gabapentin.
Mr. A was a 42-year-old man with a history of cocaine addiction since the age of 17 and heroin addiction since age 28. After repeated attempts at detoxification and rehabilitation, he was able to forgo the use of cocaine, then heroin, and later methadone. During his 15 years of substance abuse treatment, he had received imipramine for depression at doses of 75-300 mg/day. During the year after his last use of methadone, Mr. A became increasingly engaged in restoring his relationship with his children and in computer training through a vocational program. The many difficulties and setbacks he faced often discouraged him; it was at these times that his cravings for cocaine returned. After a discussion about the experimental nature of gabapentin treatment, he agreed to a trial of gabapentin while continuing treatment with imipramine, 200 mg/day. His dose of gabapentin was increased to 400 mg b.i.d. over 1 week. His blood level of gabapentin at that dose was 12.4 mg/liter (>2 mg/liter is needed for seizure control). He reported that his cravings had completely disappeared within a month of reaching a dose of 800 mg/day.
Ms. B was a 31-year-old woman with a diagnosis of schizoaffective disorder and cocaine abuse. Her psychotic symptoms were well controlled with a bimonthly injection of 50 mg of fluphenazine decanoate. She required supplements of oral fluphenazine, up to 20 mg/day, to control auditory hallucinations immediately after she used crack cocaine, which she typically consumed night and day during binges lasting up to 10 days. Afterward she could be abstinent for several months. Her relapses usually coincided with returning to live with her mother in a crack-infested neighborhood, which would prompt strong cravings and vivid dreams about smoking crack. She began a course of oral gabapentin therapy, reaching a dose of 1200 mg b.i.d. At that dose, her blood level of the drug was 15.6 mg/liter. She reported a marked reduction in cravings, at times being able to live in the crack-infested neighborhood without relapsing. In the 9 months since she began gabapentin treatment, she has experienced one relapse, which consisted of smoking two crack cigarettes.
Frustration with the difficulty of treating cocaine cravings led me to an extensive review of the neuroanatomy of the ventral tegmental area, including the nucleus accumbens, which is thought to drive many aspects of addictive behaviors (1). Within the nucleus accumbens, a large number of {gamma}-aminobutyric acid (GABA) neurons and axon fibers have been noted (2). Repeated cocaine use inhibits GABA release from nucleus accumbens axon terminals in the ventral tegmental area, where the mesolimbic dopaminergic neurons are located (3). This effect attenuates the GABA-mediated feedback inhibitory action of nucleus accumbens neurons onto ascending mesolimbic dopaminergic neurons, leading to increased activation of dopamine neurons projecting to the nucleus accumbens. Gabapentin increases brain GABA levels proportionally with dose, typically in the 800-2400-mg range (4). It was thus hypothesized that gabapentin restores the altered feedback inhibition from the nucleus accumbens. These neurobiological data, the excellent pharmacological profile of gabapentin, and a report about an addicted woman who noticed a decrease in her cravings for cocaine after she began taking 600-1500 mg/day of her husband's gabapentin (5) prompted the trials described previously. Neither patient experienced significant side effects, such as sedation or ataxia, which are common with gabapentin therapy.
Should these findings be corroborated by further clinical observations and studies, gabapentin could become a safe, effective, and well-tolerated pharmacological agent to target this most vexing problem of recurrent cravings for cocaine.
References
1. Withers NW, Pulvirenti L, Koob GF, Gillin JC: Cocaine abuse and dependence. J Clin Psychopharmacol 1995; 15:63-78[CrossRef][Medline]
2. Parent A, Cote PY, Lavoie B: Chemical anatomy of primate basal ganglia. Prog Neurobiol 1995; 46:131-197[CrossRef][Medline]3. Cameron DL, Williams JT: Cocaine inhibits GABA release in the VTA through endogenous 5-HT. J Neurosci 1994; 14:6763-6767[Abstract]
4. Taylor CP, Gee NS, Su TZ, Kocsis JD, Welty DF, Brown JP, Dooley DJ, Boden P, Singh L: A summary of mechanistic hypotheses of gabapentin pharmacology. Epilepsy Res 1998; 29:233-249[Medline]
5. Markowitz JS, Finkenbine R, Myrick H, King L, Carson WH: Gabapentin: abuse in a cocaine user: implications for treatment? (letter). J Clin Psychopharmacol 1997; 17:423-424[CrossRef][Medline]younger1us@... Subject:[Ibogaine] Methadone & Ibogaine
Hello,
My name is Colby and I'm a 30 soon to be 31 year old
guy. I was given Ibogaine to get off of Methadone &
Xanax about 6 weeks ago. I was on Methadone for about
a year in a half(120 mg to start, 20mg before Ibo) for
OxyContin abuse. My question is how long does the
Methadone stay in your blood AND your bones? The
reason I ask is I still don't feel that my receptors
have "healed", and I don't really feel right yet. I
still only sleep about 5 hours a night at best, and I
still feel irritably and anxious. I also still see
tracers in my vision at night. I have been taking some
B-12, 5-HTP, and I just started St. John's Wort. Is
there anything else I should be doing besides THIS and
exercising? If someone could please get back to me
with some answers, I would greatly appreciate it.
Kind regards,ColbyFrom:sara119@... Subject:Re: [Ibogaine] Methadone & Ibogaine a sauna and plenty of water and fresh fruit juices at least 2 liter,
everyday for two weeks or until you feel totally detoxed.
one of my clients who was on 180 mg did it for a month long, 3 hours per
day he spent in the sauna, swimming + the drinking, and still
it wasn't easy but he is now four years clean and happy, he was on themethadone for 19 years.From:younger1us@... Subject:Re: [Ibogaine] Methadone & Ibogaine
Hey Randy,
I was on Methadone about a year and a half. I was on
Oxys hard for about two years 160 to 240 mgs per day
BEFORE Methadone. I think the total dose was
24(grams?). I had a gradual treatment down in Florida.
I actually considered Subutex because I was feeling
like such shit, but I decided against it. I thought I
would just tough it out for a couple months instead.
So, it's been 9 months for you? How did you feel after
6 weeks?
Colby
--- BiscuitBoy714@... wrote:
Colby, you sound like your in the position that I
was about 9 months ago. How
long were you on Methadone and how much Oxy were you
using before the Ibo?
Also, do you know how much total Ibogaine you took
and did you have a gradual
treatment or did you just take a bunch on your own.
These things make a
difference. Methadone is a problem and is maybe the
hardest opiate to get off of. If
it weren't for this list I would have taken Subutex
or something. Your in the
right place bro. randyFrom:younger1us@... Subject:Re: [Ibogaine] Methadone & Ibogaine
Hey,
I was treated in Florida and it's been 6 weeks without
Methadone or Xanax.
--- mcorcoran <mcorcoran27@...> wrote:
Hey Colby. I'm roughly your age and was on 110 mg of
Methadone (90mg and the time of my treatment) and it
took me a good two months before I felt completely
back to normal. I was on methadone for 7 years prior
to my treatment. I don't know how long its since
your treatment but if your still seeing trails its
probably not that long and if your getting 5 hours a
night of sleep your probably way ahead of the game.
If you have access to Ibogaine you might want totake a small booster. Its not gonna help your sleep
but it could help with the other stuff. I know that
although I felt like shit for a long time after I
still felt "clean" and positive.
I put about 4 months together after my first
treatment but eventually I fucked up and had to be
retreated for heroin. This time around I'm almost 3
months out and for the first month I was feeling a
little off. No sleep at all for the first week or so
and then over the course of a month I was able to
get back into a normal sleeping pattern. So possiblysome of the things you are going through are
ibogaine side effects and not waithdrawal. Just roll
with it and FEEL whatever it is that you are
FEELING and in no time you'll be on the other end.
Whatever that is.
Good luck man and hang in there it definitely gets
better. -M.Where were you treated if you don't mind me asking?From:BiscuitBoy714@... Subject:Re: [Ibogaine] Methadone & Ibogaine Colby, now that you said where you were treated, I know you got the real deal. Listen up dude, Methadone is rough, but can be beat. You are in a rough place right now, I was there. Stay with us and talk about how you feel. We will help you any way we can. I think at this point I can talk for the others now. I know I can for most. We all had a rough time after Ibo. Take the time to figure out what you want to do. The Ibogaine gave you clues to what is important to you. Pay attention. I was like you afterwards and it lasted for about a month. That doesn't mean that you will experience the same thing. Ibogaine is like nothing else. It gives us what we need. You are the only one who knows what that is. Your here, your smart enough to figure it out. Give yourself a chance. RandyFrom:rockymcaravelli@... Subject:Re: [Ibogaine] Methadone & Ibogaine Colby,how much xanax were you on ? and how much ibogaine were you given ?, the half life of methadone is 6 months and it will be evident because you'll feel like the lights went back on and actually Xanax is longer up to 9 mo., benzos are hard to get through thats why i wonder if mabe some of this is associated with that sence the ibogaine deosn't seem to stop those withdrawls, not to promote getting high but grass/pot deos help with the anxiety and stabalize the mood of being worn down. also omega 3 fatty acids (fish oil) will help to stabalize the chemistry in the brain . the other question to know which detox your experiencing is the coldness in your legs in the core if that is still present then the methadone is still leaching if not its more than likely the benzo. whatever normal is when i detoxed it lasted 3-4 weeks that bone cold in the legs from methadone. and it seemed to be pretty much the same for others that i got to stay in contact with after detox. Valarian root for sleep 2 and 2 melatonin to help fall asleep see if that helps . hopefully you will be through this soon .From:iboganaut420@... Subject:Re: [Ibogaine] Methadone & Ibogaine
It took me about 2 months to feel "normal". I have
been clean for over a year now. I was on Methadone
(100mgs a day for 3 years) and I tapered down to like
12mgs before doing Iboga.
After Iboga it was only minor symptoms, like anxiety
type feelings and minor stomach discomfort. High
quality cannabis helped almost all my symptoms, and I
didn't even take any special vitamins or do any sauna,
but i walked regularly...
I took melatonin or benadryl sometimes to help sleep,
but I still only slept about 4-5 hours a night. I got
used to it and now I still only sleep maybe 7 hours
tops, but I don't feel like I need more. Smoking good
herb (or eating it prepared properly is even better)
helps with sleep as well..
Time is all that really helps, but I think in about
2-3 months you should feel near 100%... Hope this
helps! Hang in there, you aren't far away from
freedom.Peace and Best WishesFrom:tinkerbell.sarah@... Subject:Re: [Ibogaine] Methadone & Ibogaine
I just got treated again about a week and a half ago, and i still
don't feel right, but i feel better than I ever did on methadone orbuprenorphine. I was on 120mgs of methadrone the first time they
treated me, and i never felt right, but that was many m,oons ago, and
they know a lot more about gradual protocal, etc, than they used to.
xanax is a really tough one, and I don't know how much the ibogaine
will help with it, but I'm not the one to ask about that.
The second treatment, that got me off of the suboxone, was one of the
most incredible experiences I have EVER had. I'm sleeping in fits and
starts, still twisting my sheets into knots, and feel like a live wireis running through me at times, but in comparison to what it COULd be
like, I feel freakin' fantastic. I have a feeling that at the end of
the week, I'll be much more motivated, and maybe even sleeping
better(though i'm not going to hold my breath on that one :])
Stick with it, keep posting...
it helps A LOT!!!
love to you, and congrats!!
tinkdarkmattersfo@... Subject:[Ibogaine] Tweak
Hi everyone,
I did a session a couple of months ago in SF. It was life changing and a welcome change to my life as a gay tweaker.
I feel that I have missed so much. My development as a man has been stunted. My ability to let love in and to trust is muted. I am taking care of an ex lover who is schizophrenic, has AIDS, and occasionally tweeks. I can't walk away from this but I can't quite find my place.Ibo has given me so much, and Im not asking any questions or for help. I guess I just wanted to say that it was worth the risk, and that its important to establish a supportive community/network so that after one does Ibo, you are not alone when facing life's tribulations.From:tomo7@... Subject:[Ibogaine] sleepytime for tink
Get a liquid DMAE and take about 10 drops 3X a day...foul taste so
juice is OK This will take a few days to increase acetylcholine
levels in the brain helping with memory and deeper sleep levels with
the parasympathetic nervous system.
Meanwhile a 1/3 tsp of clean seasalt in a glass of water in late
afternoon and 45 minutes before bed helps when the adrenal gland
cranks out too much cortisol and keeps people hyper at the wrong
time of the day. This is the issue in about 1/3 of the insomnia
cases I have encountered.
About another third are low blood sugar, which also hammers down on
the adrenal system from the back door so to speak. A low stress test
is about half a teaspoon of organic honey with a half a glass of
water sipped afterward, just before bed. When people snap awake
after only a few hours of sleep and can't get back to sleep, this
low blood sugar is often at fault. Have another half a tsp at the
nightstand to see if that helps.
Between the salt and sugar tricks, many people with your, er,
pharmaceutical "milage" have these underlying organ exhaustion
states that make sleep, and effective recovery from injury and
stress, really tricky. Good luck with your efforts. About a third of
my insomnia patients are not responding with a clean "cure" from all
my ideas. Various reasons. If you put it together and find something
works for you, please share it with the group.
The problem with weed for some of us is that it floods both
melatonin and a phyto-estrogen into the brain chemistry, and those
are both exhausting factors that decrease the effectiveness of rest
and oxygen. I like the amino acid theonine, at around 150mg an hour
before dinner and bedtime, with no other proteins. This also usually
helps, but not always.
Sorry if all this uncertainty makes you feel like a crash test
dummy, but you know how unique you really are? Well that just keeps
getting more unique when you get into the mysterious lands of your
biochemistry. Keep us all posted.Dr. TomFrom:bleshins@... Subject:[Ibogaine] Re:[Ibogaine] Fw: Addiction 'supplement' on cocaine anti-craving drug trials... Dr Andrew Byrne
Comments by Andrew Byrne ..
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Dr Andrew Byrne MB BS (Syd) FAChAM (RACP)
Dependency Medicine,
........
New South Wales, 2016, Australia
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Author of: "Addict in the Family" http://www.csdp.org/addict/
So I went and had a bit of a chat to Dr Byrne yesterday. His surgery is close to my work and I wanted to get a copy of his book from him ("Addict in the Family").
Walk in there and the only person that happens to be sitting in reception is an old friend of Mandy's - the very one who gave her her first hit of H. Getting his bupe after another relapse. Interesting start to the experience.
Dr Byrne invites me into his office between patients (I had a quick chat to him on the phone already) and the first thing he says is "ok, I am really busy, you've got 4 seconds". Fair enough, I am not a patient, I am grateful for any time he can spare to see me.
Dr Byrne specialises in prescribing methadone and bupe and it seems he is mostly interested in talking to me to see if he can get another patient. Which was not my intention in the slightest - I was just after the book and just wanted to ask him a couple of questions, if I had the chance, which I now did. Firstly, I wanted to ask if he can recommend a good group or counselor, preferably not NA. Secondly, if he can recommend some drugs or whatever for cravings.
He starts off asking me Mandy's drug history with heroin, speed, addiction relapse patterns etc and I'm trying to answer his questions and ask mine all in the allocated 4 seconds. Then he asks "Do you use speed?"
"No".
"Then why are your pupils so large?"
"Err... caffeine and heavy metal".
I have a bit of a laugh about this to myself and carry on. I was actually on my lunch break from work, so have been sitting at a computer all day, sipping copy, headphones on and the music loud (and fast). Definitely no speed in the system... something in the office tap water perhaps? For maximum productivity?
I asked him about the group stuff and he recommended the SMART Recovery group at St Vincent's hospital. Conveniently located exactly halfway between the injection centre in Kings Cross and the nearest chemist that sells fits, in Surry Hills. I hope they cover "environmental cues" in their first session.
Anyway, now onto the relevant stuff. I asked him about what he'd reccomend for cravings. Having read his commentary, that Preston posted, I thought he may know something about that. I rattle off some of the things we've been looking into - gabapentin, vigabatrin, ghb, ibogaine...
"Forget ibogaine", he says. "There is no proof that it works, there have been been no studies done..."
So I begin to argue that no, it does work and there has been research, I have spoken to people for whom it worked etc
"You can find someone that says anything worked.. One person will say acupuncture worked another says .... " (something about vegimite extract and drinking a cup of tea or something, I think). "Where are the studies? These people have been talking about ibogaine for the past 40 years. Where is the proof? Where are the studies?"
"There have been studies... But all you need to do is talk to the providers, talk to the people it has helped."
"Well, I think maybe there was one study.. But all you have is some person in Mexico, another in Brazil another somewhere else or whatever that says it worked. It doesn't mean anything... Its like those Naltrexone Rapid Detox people" (draws some vague comparison about zealous ignorance promoting a dangerous and inaffective practice or something.. my interpretation, dont quote me on this part).
"I know one of them, in New York", he says... Scrunches his forehead trying to remember the name.. I ask if its Patrick Kraupa or Howard Lotsof.. He says, yep, Howard.
"He is a ratbag", he continues..
"Look, I've spoken to a dozen people for whom its worked."
"What about the ones that died, have you spoken to them?"
"Yes, people have died.. but how many people has it helped?"
We continue to argue about this and that and those... I feel I have about 1 second of the allocated 4 left. I am rambling something about people taking ibogaine not even having the withdrawal from heroin, but he argues that "yes, they do". I argue there is plenty of evidence that it works, he says "No, there isn't. They haven't even isolated the active chemical in it.They haven't even done tests on animals...Methadone was tested back in the 60s and these people have had 40 years, where are the studies?". I continue argueing he is a bit behind the times on this and attempt to squeeze into the remaining half a second of my time an explanation of the difficulties of the political climate facing the proponents of ibogaine, the nuances of the resistance to such a radical approach from the medical establishment, the hostile disinterest from the pharmaceutical companies.. I blurt out something about how it completely resets brain chemistry and even restores liver function..I think it was at this point he said to me:"You're not thinking straight, I am very busy" and gets up to show me out...
And that was just about the jist of it. I gave him a donation for his book - he gave it to me and said I can make a donation if I can afford it, or if I cant thats ok too - and walked on out. As I was walking out of the surgery, he shouted towards me, over the shoulder of another blurry eyed patient, stumbling into his office:
"Send me any research you have that supports what you are saying!"
So there we are. This doctor is supposedly (??) one of the leading addiction treatment professionals in Australia. And thats what he had to say. I think he is genuinely open to new approaches to addiction treatment, but is too firmly entrenched in the same resistant mindset thats pervasive in the medical establishment the world over about ibogaine. Well, duh.
I do have a couple of things I want to send to him. An article in New Scientist recently, links to the Ibogaine.org site's science page... I also want to offer to lend him my copy of Rites of Passage. Why the hell not?
Anyone got any recommendations for information/studies that may help sway a skeptical doctor?
cheers
Borisnick227@... Subject:RE: [Ibogaine] Re:[Ibogaine] Fw: Addiction 'supplement' on cocaine anti-craving drug trials... Dr Andrew Byrne
Check this out from Dr Byrne's book -
"The miracle of methadone has to be witnessed to be understood. The change in the addict is often sudden and dramatic. The appearance, attitude, general health and social functioning may return to normal almost overnight.
Following months or even years of illicit drug use, it is important to have a substantial period of stability on methadone before considering dose reductions. It has been shown repeatedly that those remaining in treatment longer have a better likelihood of long term abstinence from narcotics."
What do people think?NickFrom:mattzielinski@... Subject:Re: [Ibogaine] Re:[Ibogaine] Fw: Addiction 'supplement' on cocaine anti-craving drug trials... Dr Andrew Byrne FULL OF SHIT!!!!!
METHADONE = A BARLESS PRISON
THE ONLY LIFE ALETRING CHANGES I VE SEEN ON ME AND FELLOW ADDICTS THAT GO ON METHADONE ARE
1 THE FIRST WEEK THEY ARE DROWSY FROM THE METH SO THEY DONT REALY NEED TO SCORE
2 AS THE WEEK ENDS AND THE DROWSINESS FADES AWAY THE NEXT WEEK BEGINS AND THEY NOTICE THEY STILL WANT TO GET HIGH BUT NOW NEED TO BANG MORE DOPE TO DO IT
3 AS MONTHS TURN INTO YEARS THEY ALL COMPLAINN HOW THEY WANT TO GET OFF IT
------COMING DOWN FROM HEROIN REALLY IS A PICNIC COMPRAED TO COMIND DOWN FROM THIS SHIT-----
all thes methadone doctors.....fuck!!!!.....here in canada u can get on methadon in a matter of a day....they just need to register u with the college of physians and there u go ......u are cured
fuk em all!!!!1 n
NO WONDER IBOGIANE WILL NEVER BE LEGAL since we have "ADDICTION SPECIALISTS" vocing their qualifed knowldgebable opinions on the benefits of methadone
fuck!!!!
NO LOVE IN THIS POSTtinkerbell.sarah@... Subject:Re: [Ibogaine] Re:[Ibogaine] Fw: Addiction 'supplement' on cocaine anti-craving drug trials... Dr Andrew Byrne
geesh, matt! you have a definate opinion on this doncha
I have to agree with you, though I was trying to avoid the rant, but
fuck it. You're right, and we all know it. There's a reason they
call it LIQUID HANDCUFFS!!!
I hate the shit.
i love you!!tink
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